I answered a few comments in a follow-up video. Subscribe to my second channel to see more like this. kzread.info/dash/bejne/pIaFstuKZ92wprg.html&ab_channel=ArmouredGregory

@theornerytrilobite

3 жыл бұрын

Damn, I'm a fool. Didn't even realize there was a second channel. Came to find this again so I can link all 3 parts to a good friend. Thanks for lookin' out Greg. Also, like, keep it up man. Love your work.

@mattrocde

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Armoured, I'm really curious, but did you watch much of ThinkerThunker, or Bob Gymlan (no not that Gimlin) on KZread for the research on this? ThinkerThunker has done lots of videos about the PGF subject, and Bob Gymlan has a host of videos about real science behind sasquatch. I'd be very interested in your thoughts on their content.

@tem6601

3 жыл бұрын

@@mattrocde Also MK Davis(greenwave2010fb). He has apparently had limited access to the original film, and has some pretty interesting video breakdowns. Some I will say are a bit stretchy, but not out of bounds.

@mattrocde

3 жыл бұрын

@@tem6601 Yeah, my only issue is MK can be a little too matter of fact about the things he finds, but the things he finds are genuinely intriguing and interesting most of the time. His massacre at bluff creek theory is too out there for me to believe though. I think if a mother sasquatch had just watched her child shot and killed, there wouldn't be Patterson-Gimlin film, there'd be a Patterson-Gimlin murder site. Everything that anybody says about these creatures is that they are insanely powerful, and have the ability to get angry at people in very violent ways.

@seanc758

3 жыл бұрын

the hero? what the fuck is wit that title? ahahahah oh year fuck up his life, soial standaring and marrige for his glory years. just so he can fuck around to escape his rushing lonliness, stupidity and old age. man your so so so so far off on BOB

If all the paranormal videos are going to be divided into real and fake parts, then I’m super into it

@happynihilist2573

3 жыл бұрын

Same. More of this! More!!!

@pyxylation

3 жыл бұрын

I hope they are too! It's a good format!

@yellowstarbust7341

3 жыл бұрын

Watch his missing 411 follow up he talks about doing that

@armouredskeptic

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you're happy, I think it's really fun.

@Barely_Here

3 жыл бұрын

@@armouredskeptic yeah this was a fun ride, im loving how this channel evolved into this direction. cant wait to see more

I still remember the Bigfoot documentary where this lady claimed that Bigfoot came up to her door and asked to borrow some garlic

@PuppeteerGaming

3 жыл бұрын

What's the name of the documentary? I want to see that clip

@Gr8Daner

3 жыл бұрын

👆🏻

@SuperCatfire

3 жыл бұрын

i hope shes back on her meds

@shaydenismat7786

3 жыл бұрын

That was just me. I should shave.

@SuperCatfire

3 жыл бұрын

@@shaydenismat7786 more like shaveden

It's not the photographer's fault. Bigfoot is blurry, and that's extra scary to me. There's a large out-of-focus monster roaming the countryside. Look out, he's fuzzy!

@BradsGonnaPlay

3 жыл бұрын

Mitch was GOAT

@jameswarner5878

3 жыл бұрын

I bet that's what happened to the Dufranes.

@robertruiz3131

3 жыл бұрын

Mitch hedburg was ahead of his time. Meme humor before it existed.

@kyburn6195

3 жыл бұрын

If you encountered a blurry Bigfoot on a sunny day in the woods; what would you do?

@chaos_omega

3 жыл бұрын

RIP Mitch!

Hey just wanna point out after watching you throughout the years, I have noticed you have been getting really good at making these videos! The quality makes it look like you worked hard on making improvements. And I'm definitely a huge fan. You have always been good at them. Just even better lately. Thanks for the great content.

@armouredskeptic

3 жыл бұрын

I really appreciate that, thank you!

@womanofcubesdestroyerof4th623

3 жыл бұрын

This is one of the best compliments and highest praise I've ever read

@astroadventures3559

3 жыл бұрын

@@armouredskeptic and I really appreciate the hard work you put in these videos. I don't think the average person understands how much time and effort it takes to edit and film one of these. I look forward to your future content.

That black bear standing on it's hind legs seriously looks like a Gorilla, even after looking at it for a while I still see a Gorilla.

@NightOfTheLiving8bit

3 жыл бұрын

Same here, it looks like you can even see an arm hanging downwards too. It could be one, it was just accidentally jumbled up with bears standing upright.

@patrikback739

3 жыл бұрын

Right? A black bear with front legs (arms) down to it's knees and having square shoulders? First I've ever seen.

@SilvyReacts

3 жыл бұрын

Ya, when he flash the image I instantly assumed it was a gorilla, even after he showed it ... still looks like a gorilla lmao.

@smashtoad

3 жыл бұрын

Pretty sure it is a gorilla. Look how far the right arm hangs down.

@HeyBoss695

3 жыл бұрын

I would assume a black bear would more of an ass. Whatever that animal is, is definitely got a hank hill ass.

Finally the sequel to the critically acclaimed youtube video "Female bigfoot forced me to do it"

@xaldynnemo47

3 жыл бұрын

I see this and I think "This is real" because it's *supposed* to look real. The footage is doing that, not me.

@bomblessdodongo3093

3 жыл бұрын

Is that video of that guy who rehabs crows saying that a female Sasquatch “started jackin’ the ween!”

@seamuschaos

3 жыл бұрын

@@bomblessdodongo3093 yes! Critically acclaimed dog trainer Peter Craine that is him

@PerspectiveEngineer

3 жыл бұрын

Weekly World News circa 1999....

It's like Rogan says: When we watch the Patterson-Gimlin film, we're either seeing a real bigfoot, or we're not. The possibility that it *could be* is what makes the paranormal and the supernatural fun; even for a skeptic like me.

@jansettler4828

3 жыл бұрын

There. Is. Nothing. Supernatural. In. This. World. And there never has been

@rozmarinideas5340

3 жыл бұрын

@@jansettler4828 well, true enough, but only because anything that does exist is natural, not because supernatural things don't exist. Bigfoot, advanced Aliens, ghosts, the Loch Ness monster, etc are not proven to exist nor are they impossible entities (except maybe ghosts). Believe what you want.

@GumaroRVillamil

3 жыл бұрын

@@jansettler4828 Correct. The moment something exists, it is a part of the natural world. What Bigfoot has going for itself, unlike other cryptids, is a plausible biological origin. Not that it is likely, but plausible. Mothman, chupacabras, dogmen, etc are impossible creatures according to Biology as we know it.

@-Zer0Dark-

3 жыл бұрын

@@jansettler4828 -- You ok?

@Delta-es1lg

3 жыл бұрын

@@jansettler4828 You must be fun at parties.

Next week's series: Part 1: The Sky isn't Blue Part 2: The Sky is Blue

@ismata3274

3 жыл бұрын

Aaaaaaand colours don't exist!

@JohnDlugosz

3 жыл бұрын

(looking up) it's not, at the moment. I expect it will be in a few hours.

@IamaCosmonaut

3 жыл бұрын

Taking in consideration that the egyptians were the first civilization to have a word for the color blue. It wouldn't be that farfetched to assume that before that, humans didn't see the color blue, since they didn't create a word for it. So then we get to the conclusion that for a good chunk of human existance the sky hasn't been blue for them.

@WretchedRedoran

3 жыл бұрын

@@IamaCosmonaut But... the sky is cyan

@Halcyon1861

Ай бұрын

It actually isn't blue. A person with blue eyes in the dark, their eyes are clear. The color blue in the sky is the perception of that wave length of the prism. Think about it, what is tangible in the air that makes it blue? A blue eyed person has no color in their eye, just like the sky. Again, its the wavelength you see bouncing out of their eye you perceive. Unlike a brown or green eyed person that actually have melanin in their eye. Futhermore only we as humans see the spectrum we see in. Almost the entire animal kingdom would disagree...if they could, that blaze orange isn't orange at all. Take a deer. They see into the UV spectrum below the blues and purples we can. How can hunters wear orange? Simple. Deer don't see that far into the red spectrum. Orange to them is brown. So again, the sky isn't actually blue and depending what species it is, doesn't see the sky at all.

Confusing details from past events, even major events, is a thing that happens with age. Seen it a 1000 times and experienced it myself. Saturday... Friday... it was 50+ years ago.

@Adamant_Adam

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. Bro I couldn't tell you what I ate for fucking breakfast yesterday, doesn't mean I didn't eat

@austinwallace7478

3 жыл бұрын

@@Adamant_Adam dude, you need to eat, that isnt healthy

@CeeJayThe13th

3 жыл бұрын

The Friday /Saturday thing was The Skeptic being facetious. The real problem with the timeline is the deal with the film being developed so quickly, actually being shot a week sooner than claimed, the construction crew actually being around, yada yada

@JohnDlugosz

3 жыл бұрын

Not any more. Google know where I've been and what I was doing _years_ ago. At a family birthday, someone was remembering, "we were here last year... whatever day of the week, afternoon/evening/ whatever" When I had looked up directions on my tablet, it informed me that I was there a year ago: same theater and restaurant, along with the date and exact time. Someone asked, "what did I get last time?" and I said, "let me check..." and brought up photos of the outing. Even without Google or social media, I often keep a detailed journal when on vacation. And, since digital photography, the pictures are timestamped and often geocoded as well. So if I _really_ wanted to be accurate in recounting how I lost my expensive sunglasses, I could show photos of the site, pin it on Google Earth, and find the accurate date and time it happened. Earlier photos (by others in the party) would verify the brand and model of sunglasses.

@russellharrell2747

3 жыл бұрын

Adam. Yeah, but did you eat breakfast...with BIGFOOT??!!!!

I like the editing here, the holding on a shot but starting the audio from the next shot. It works!

@armouredskeptic

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks, I like the way it looks

@kylefrank638

3 жыл бұрын

I think some of them hold a little too long, but it does help it from being jarring for every transition.

@eldritchpumpkinghost2968

3 жыл бұрын

Armoured Skeptic hey skeptic, if you do Mothman, a good point for it being in owl comes from a key Mothman characteristic. Witnesses say Mothman didn’t flap its wings because they couldn’t hear it. Owls have special feathers that make them sound noiseless when flying.

Pretty risky to pull a prank on a guy with. 30.06 in hand unless you have a good reason to believe he won’t shoot.

I love this. It's fun to see the arguments both for and against a conspiracy/myth/urban legend.

Bigfoot touches me through windows.

@natebeckons

3 жыл бұрын

Elaborate

@silas9673

3 жыл бұрын

In finding Bigfoot?

@spicylemon9339

3 жыл бұрын

@@2ahdcat omfg 😂😂😂😂🤣

@eatonkuntz

3 жыл бұрын

creatures lie here looking through the window

@wyattziel7438

3 жыл бұрын

That also happened to me until I upgraded to windows 10

“He really hates Bob Heironomous” - Explanation required. Part 3?

What the hell photolab did you use in the 90’s that destroyed negatives if they didn’t like the image? I worked in labs, still do, we could refuse to print, if we saw a crime would would make copies for the police, but never, ever, ever would we destroy the negatives on purpose.

@JohnDlugosz

3 жыл бұрын

I had a case where negatives went missing and they tried to cover it up, with pieces from a different roll of film.

@capertureimagery6604

3 жыл бұрын

Never had that either, nor never heard it

@StarWarsomania

3 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear it. I was just like 0_0 "wft are you on about Sceptic?" when he said that.

@dalstephen3834

3 ай бұрын

I remember picking up photos in the late 90's, that my gf at the time had taken of herself full on naked. The young guy at the counter that gave them to me, did so with a huge smile that lit up his entire face. She was a bit like that always sharing the joy around. 😢😢😢😮😅

If Bob Heronimus had sticks or something to make the arms longer, how where the hands able to open and close in the footage?

@robertcoggeshall3071

Ай бұрын

Ridiculous idea that he's using sticks. The creature is swinging its arms perfectly normal. Elbows bending exactly where they should.

The arm lengths (shoulder to elbow) of patty with them hanging by the knees and the consistent trailing shin angle being 21degrees more than a human are huge for the validity of the footage.

Forget about Mothman, Bigfoot, and the Lochness Monster Can we discover the true and real horrors in our deepest oceans instead?

@gramursowanfaborden5820

3 жыл бұрын

they're all true.

@joeb8935

3 жыл бұрын

Faborden Gramersow bigfoot is one thing, but mothman and nessie are thoroughly debunkable

@gramursowanfaborden5820

3 жыл бұрын

@@joeb8935 i mean the sea monsters, specifically. mothman is owls, nessie is eels.

@darthgorbag

3 жыл бұрын

That should be James Cameron's job.

@TetsuRiken

3 жыл бұрын

@@gramursowanfaborden5820 well I hate to spoil the sea monsters but other then giant squid the rest are a sort of take however I did see what sea serpants were they are fish idr what fish but it's a match it's just a normal fish the kraken I assume was also a giant squid story taken to far

Honestly, i really dont believe in the "BigFoot, Yeti, Sasquatch" type creature... *However* I do believe that there may be a few dozen (or probably extinct by now) ancient apes that inspired the myths. Something like the Coelacanth thought to be extinct but resurfaces millions of years later makes me believe its possible, but on the flipside, it could be a tasmanian tiger situation where there were very few left in 60s and 70s, and now, they're all extinct.

@aMessIam1

2 жыл бұрын

The DragonApe or FishGiraffe is the coolest ones.

You brought up how after the two men filmed "Patty" they both went back to camp to get the plaster they'd left behind. While I agree that in the broader context this does seem a tad suspicious, consider Bob's point of view in the moment; you've just seen some kind of animal that is apparently taller, thicker, faster than yourself, and clearly noticed your presence, and the only other person in the area mentions he's going back to camp. Would you want to hang out in the area alone for however long while your companion returns to the relative safety of camp? I don't think I would, so I find it less than damning that they both decided to leave instead of splitting up. ...But either way, this presentation was very informative and enjoyable. Well done!

@christopherwalkinalloverya5824

6 ай бұрын

Blatant hoax. Roger Scammerson filmed the fake Bigfoot to hype his Bigfoot book.

"and also he really hates Bob" are u gonna expand on that at all? 😂

@thecrowsflyaway3473

3 жыл бұрын

Bob also just seems like a really unlikable guy

@armouredskeptic

3 жыл бұрын

There is a lot of drama between them all, but to give you a hint: Bob Hieronymus is only going on television to ruin Patterson's widow's meal-ticket.

@ComradeCommissarYuri

3 жыл бұрын

Armoured Skeptic why would he do that???

@kinryuten

3 жыл бұрын

@@ComradeCommissarYuri I'm gonna assume bad beef

@christopherwalkinalloverya5824

6 ай бұрын

Bob Heironimus hated Roger Patterson because he never paid Bob for wearing the Patty costume in the film. That's why Bob exposed the Patty hoax for Nat Geo.

Skeptic was taking some nasty photos in the 90's, Ive never heard of a developer destroying your film

Bob Heironimus wore the suit and Bob Gimlin is trying to cover his butt.

@Porous_Dawg

5 ай бұрын

Bob "The Original Bigfoot" Heironimus.

@danieljonhson6367

3 ай бұрын

I can't figure out why people still don't believe it was Bob Heironimus he even passed a polygraph test on national TV both Patterson and Gimlin refused to take a polygraph test in fact Roger Patterson actually hired a guy to pretend to be Bob Gimlin when he toured around with the film.

@robertcoggeshall3071

Ай бұрын

Bob Heironimus is the one lying. Only 2 people were there when Roger filmed patty. He wanted money, and knew the 2, that's why he thought he could get away with it.

@Mr.Goodkat

6 күн бұрын

@@danieljonhson6367 Heironimus changes his story in major ways, when some info becomes public about the film due to restorations then he starts mentioning that only now even when he should have known about that from the beginning, he has changed his background story in major ways too even altering it to bring in new characters like Philip Morris, I heard Patterson did pass a lie detector test too (not sure if that's true though) at any rate I don't take those tests as proof, there is countless anomalies in the "suit" which show it to be a living creature which would of course be all reasons to not believe in Heironimus as well, then there is his inability to either produce or recreate the suit, his inability to recreate the walk and when he finally did attempt it, it looked horrible, this is certainly enough to make it understandable why people would be at least sceptical of him and it's not even a complete list.

2:38 Loggers and road builders would be the most likely to encounter something rarely seen as they spend more time then most in remote, mostly unseen areas. Rangers might spend more time in a particular area after the roads are built, something that is skittish and would move on would have already left the area or are more cautious.

Man... As if 2020 wasn't bad enough. You're over here successfully decimating my hopes and dreams of something incredible and phenomenal still awaiting discovery. All while keeping me thoroughly entertained. What evil is this?!

@meatball5336

3 жыл бұрын

Allow me to ruin your year some more. You know wine tastings? There are actual turd tastings going on out there in the world as well. Take care!

@DefrostedNeanderthal

3 жыл бұрын

@@meatball5336 Somehow... That helps.

@meatball5336

3 жыл бұрын

@@DefrostedNeanderthal Then you are so welcome!!

@Nildread

3 жыл бұрын

@@meatball5336 but, wasn't there a study that showed that wine tasters were hackfrauds?

@JohnDlugosz

3 жыл бұрын

Hey, more fantastic stuff is also discovered. And the real thing is not limited to someone's imagination! Look at the news from Venus, for example.

Didn't debunk the natural look of the suit enough imo. That was the most compelling part to me.

@pugnasty4657

3 жыл бұрын

JeanZ Exactly

@JnZ77

3 жыл бұрын

Not saying it's real whatsoever. But he spent alot of time in the last video talking about the way the muscles move and the speed that it walks and the the tits bouncing, but glossed over all of that here.

@Etticos.

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah man I don’t know. I had never been a big foot believer, but that last video that showed the original footage and focused attention on the subtle musculature moving amongst other authentic looking organic details (including things like the lack of folds/zippers). If you can see a subtle muscle move, you should definitely see a bloody fold, right? I don’t know, that last video really made me pause and think.

@ltshep713

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. The whole point about the thigh was the most interesting part of the last video to me. Granted, it’s not like Skeptic could know exactly what was done, but just some guesses would have been nice to see, given his experience in stage costuming that he mentioned.

@NeelTheSphynx

3 жыл бұрын

The human form literally doesn't match up with proportions of Patty. This is the case with a lot of Sasquatch footage. It's impossible for it to be a person in a costume.

I remember one time I was walking in the forests and I found a pit, and bigfoot was in the pit. I looked down at him and he looked up at me. He held up his hands to me and said "Red pill or blue pill?" Taken aback, I said "blue pill". He gobbled it up and scurried away. I could go into my experiences with the Marsquatch as well. Very traumatic experiences.

But why is there still no replica of that Bigfoot suit?🦧

@TheArtalex

3 жыл бұрын

@Jayne Eyre Yes,that is strange.If it was a suit,it had to be custom made for the Body shape of Bob Hieronimus.But Bob said he wore football pads and some Rubber Boots underneath.

@timy.4818

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheArtalex It doesn't look like padding does it ? They would have had to recruited Andre The Giant or someone bigger to do this !

@christopherwalkinalloverya5824

6 ай бұрын

Any gorilla suit with tits would be a replica. It wasn't anything special.

@robertcoggeshall3071

Ай бұрын

No way is heironimus telling the truth. That's a real creature moving and flexing.

I'm pretty sure the photo used at 3:47 and flashed earlier is a photo of a gorilla so if you saw that, in North America, you saw Bigfoot. I would love to have the source of that photo because it really doesn't look like a bear.

I love this format: making a convincing conspiracy/paranormal video, forcing us think critically about the claims presented, and then making a video on your own skepticism. This is amazing. Please keep it up. Opening Patreon now...

3:45 Dude, that's a Gorilla. Look at the long arms, no ears at the top of the head, legs are to skinny and the stubby tail is missing. Also the surrounding trees on the picture can not be found in areas brown bears or grizzlies are living in normally. No problem with the rest of the video though, looks like quality work.

Gimlin had to be in on it. Patterson told Gimlin to "cover him" with a rifle. That's way too big of a safety risk to take with someone who doesn't know it's just a man in a suit.

Nothing against Greg, but I miss the Armored Skeptic TM character.

@nuclearchezburgr3857

3 жыл бұрын

I imagine its just easier. He's a handsome fella, but the character is pretty iconic

Never stop this series plz. I love the topics you cover ive learned so much.

The argument that I felt made the most sense to this being legit at least at the time was when patty walks, you can see her flesh move like fat and muscle and that couldnt be emulated in a costume.

Ah, truth in advertising. Now that’s more rare than seeing Sasquatch.

Honestly the copywriting is the true coffin nail.

@WatchMaga

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t see that. He was planning a documentary. It’s explicable as part of that effort.

@gamermanh

3 жыл бұрын

@@WatchMaga yeah, if anything the copyrighting of the word right before a documentary by someone that's s known huckster makes perfect sense. "I'll make a shitty documentary to give me a legal precedent to file copyright/trademark on that and take bank forevermore"

@groovybuddha667

5 ай бұрын

Any thing but Roger was an enthusiastic before he ever filmed it's true even wrote a book years before, why wouldn't he copyright it? Do some research

Hey skeptic there's a channel called Bob Gymlan here on KZread that does some interesting videos on bigfoot. His newer vids are quite different but the old stuff could be something to consider looking into

Bob Gilman had a 3030 lever action rifle in his saddle scabbard.... I wonder if Rodger mentioned that to the guy in the suit. Lol

@Octoberfurst

3 жыл бұрын

I had heard that Patterson told him not to shoot when they first encountered the "Bigfoot". Which was a wise move on Patterson's part. Having a dead friend in a gorilla suit would have really mucked things up. LOL.

@quincymcburgerking4407

3 жыл бұрын

@Jayne Eyre wasn't the reason he gave for why he didn't shoot was that the horses got spooked and he was trying to reel them in?

@christopherwalkinalloverya5824

6 ай бұрын

​@@OctoberfurstThe film is a hoax. Roger was hyping his Bigfoot book.

3:50 that "Black bear" is a bipedal gorilla. You can even see the clutched hand barely in front of the leg.

@M60gunner1971

2 ай бұрын

Nope, a bear 🐻

@paulmurphy7106

Ай бұрын

​​@@M60gunner1971 My first impression was a bear too. But the proportions don't look right. Front arms look way too long. And the torso is all wrong. Bears have a long torso with narrow shoulders. This one has a short torso with broad shoulders. And the head isn't right. Google "back view of bears standing up" I'm not sayin it's a bigfoot. It just looks odd that's all.

@jasonlehman2090

Ай бұрын

​. That's a gorilla. I volunteered at the Cincinnati zoo for years. Gorilla.

If it was fake, then it's bizarre that Roger continued looking for bigfoot for the rest of his life lol

Still, you can't deny the amount of evidence in footprints showing mid tarsal breaks and toes moving , historical accounts dating to pre-colonization, and consistent behavioral details recorded that are exactly like what we have learned about primates today before any were even verified. I have my sceptic glasses on, but I still think this is worth looking into.

From some of the discussion at the ISS, Gimlin isn't so much this very very honest person as he has a sort of folksy likeability people mistake for honesty. He worked as a used car salesman, he kited some checks...plus, the suit wasn't something someone would wear one minute longer than they had to

I have a big foot story. We call it the Mogollon Monster here in AZ. I saw it with my dad camping when I was about 7 or 8. We were camping just outside of Flagstaff at a place we called the Lilly Ponds and we’re on our second day of a three day trip. My dad woke me up really early and told me to stay quiet, we were in the back of his truck with a caper top on it. Outside there was something ripping apart our cooler and eating everything inside. I know it was early in the morning, but I knew what bears looked like and it was not. What was outside was a very tall hairy manlike thing. Once it had eaten almost everything, it just walked off. We got out quite sometime later and that’s when we noticed the smell. It was like a skunk that had rotted for weeks. He decided that we needed to leave, so we picked up what trash was thrown everywhere and left. That was the last time we ever went there.

Bigfoot fans: baited My breath waiting for this vid: bated

Was there any evidence that heavy machinery was used in that area where they did the plaster casts of the footprints?

@AGenericFool

3 жыл бұрын

Sorry not sorry but that´s a pretty stupid question since they had a Bulldozer ready to go as soon as they got stuck in the mud just a few miles away from there, as stated in this video right here and I doubt a Bulldozer would be used without auxiliary machinery to compliment the process of building a road. But either way if you are referring to how they made footprints, you could most probably easily use a pair of the already kind of widespread allegedly bigfoot/sasquatch footprints or just a big guys footprint in sand, make a mold from it out of cement or something and jump onto that with your full body weight, more than once if it´s not deep enough already, if you wear shoes with a really worn sole that would be even easier because of better weight distribution and you would not even leave prints even if you walked around near the alleged giant ape footprints. Not exactly rocket science to fake such a footprint, nor the whole scene.

@Cyrathil

3 жыл бұрын

@@AGenericFool Maybe "heavy machinery" is not the best terminology, since I doubt they used the bulldozer to make the prints. It would have noticeably deformed the land around it. That's literally what they are built for. However, construction crews usually have heavy tools which can be used. Sledgehammers, the blunt side of axes. Patterson doesn't look that stout so his claim about him jumping off rocks still not making it deep enough doesn't mean too much.

@AGenericFool

3 жыл бұрын

@@Cyrathil Yeah that they did not drive the bulldozer out there is clear, thanks for saving the day Captain Obvious. It´s true that heavy machinery is certainly not that fitting and a sledgehammer should work if you use it gently. I´m not a native english speaker and I can´t remember the name but in the moment I was thinking of the those handheld motorized hydraulic presser things with a plate on the bottom they use to flatten out smaller parts of the ground. You press it done once and the weight alone should do it. But even that would be a b to transport via horse/donkey, even the smaller ones. Either way they don´t really need anything and could just have used a local rock/boulder to add needed weight/force and yeah I know I was just going off on what I thought the other guy was implying with the question in the first place.

@robertcoggeshall3071

Ай бұрын

There was no faking of the tracks. You can't make yourself look heavier than you are. Fake feet don't imprint further than your own.

I have never heard anyone else say it until now but i had always thought Patterson fooled Gimlin when the sighting occurred.

@robertcoggeshall3071

Ай бұрын

No way Gimlin wouldn't have known. That said, the film is clearly genuine, it's perfect movements don't match a guy in a suit.

As someone that "Wants to believe" a great many things, I've really been enjoying your videos. its good to take the tinfoil off and take a look at the other side every once in awhile. These sorts of phenomena need this kind scrutiny to weed out the fake/frauds from pieces of real evidence which potentially contain something legitimate. I don't believe that debating the authenticity of a film from the 60's will prove or disprove anything. lets put that time and effort to more productive methods of research into the phenomena.

@bleirdo_dude

3 жыл бұрын

Drug addictions, and thought addictions are closely related on a neurological level. Some people are more beholden to the ancient part of the brain (Meso Limbic System/emotional) rather than someone that reasons using the modern part (Frontal Cortex/rational). "The second system, known as the mesolimbic system, has its cell bodies in the ventral tegmental area, which is medial to the substantia nigra. It projects to several parts of the limbic system, including the nucleus accumbens and ventral portions of the striatum, amygdala, and hippocampus, as well as prefrontal cortex. *This system has been linked to reward-related behavior (Berridge and Kringelbach, 2015). Dopamine levels in the nucleus accumbens increase in response to both natural reinforcers (such as food, drink, and sex) and drugs of abuse (such as amphetamine and cocaine). Additionally, in humans, activity in this region increases in response to more abstract rewards, such as money."* Marie T. Banich/Rebecca J. Compton, Cognitive Neuroscience, Section: Subsystems, pp. 2/3 *"Dopamine, in fact, is critical in association learning and the reward system of the brain that Skinner discovered through his process of operant conditioning, whereby any behavior that is reinforced tends to be repeated. A reinforcement is, by definition, something that is rewarding to the organism; that is to say, it makes the brain direct the body to repeat the behavior in order to get another positive reward.* ...The connection between dopamine and belief was established by experiments conducted by Peter Brugger and his colleague Christine Mohr at the University of Bristol in England. *Exploring the neurochemistry of superstition, magical thinking, and belief in the paranormal, Brugger and Mohr found that people with high levels of dopamine are more likely to find significance in coincidences and pick out meaning and patterns where there are none."* Michael Shermer, The Believing Brain, Section: 6 The Believing Neuron pp. 8-10/29 *"Genetic and behavioral factors influencing religiously motivated behavior appear related to dopamine metabolism and signaling. Inclination toward religious behavior and motivation has been associated with a polymorphism on the dopamine receptor gene DRD4 (Comings, Gonzales, Saucier, Johnson, & MacMurray, 2000;Sasaki et al., 2013). Acquired disorders of dopamine physiology also show links to religious behaviors."* www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5478470/ *"Religious and spiritual experiences activate the brain reward circuits in much the same way as love, sex, gambling, drugs and music,* report researchers at the University of Utah School of Medicine." unews.utah.edu/this-is-your-brain-on-god/ "Dopamine, adrenaline, and noradrenaline are neurotransmitters that belong to the catecholamine family. Dopamine is produced in the substantia nigra and ventral tegmental regions of the brain, and *dopamine alterations are related to schizophrenia (1, 2). ...The “original dopamine hypothesis” states that hyperactive dopamine transmission results in schizophrenic symptoms."* www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4032934/ *"Dopamine In schizophrenia (SCZ), there is evidence that very high levels of dopamine in the limbic system play a major role in emergence of hallucinations and delusions. Antipsychotic medications, which block central dopamine activity, alleviate the hallucinations of psychosis. Drugs with strong dopaminergic effect, such as L-dopa, methylphenidate, bromocriptine, pramipexole and piribedil, may induce hallucinations. D-amphetamine, a direct dopamine agonist, may also induce psychosis and hallucinations."* www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2996210/ *"Here, we show that administration of a drug that enhances dopaminergic function (dihydroxy-L-phenylalanine; L-DOPA) increases an optimism bias. This effect is due to L-DOPA impairing the ability to update belief in response to undesirable information about the future."* www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3424419/ "Tibetan mystics have long practiced a method to create sentient beings (Tulpas) from the power of concentrated thought." Note: These (Tulpas) are not sentient beings, but a manifestation of the subconscious mind through neural plasticity via neurochemical imbalancing inducing meditation. In other words it's having a dream state while awake, and interacting with a character that's made up of one's own preformed thoughts (building blocks of ideas/concepts that are below conscious awareness) which gives the illusion of sentience. In simpler words it's self induced schizophrenia due to stresses (psychological/physical/environmental) where neurochemical traffic gets rerouted causing hallucinations to any of the five senses, also including involuntary movement, and distorted speech (glossolalia). www.google.com/amp/s/www.vice.com/amp/en_ca/article/exmqzz/tulpamancy-internet-subculture-892 Imagine the euphoria experienced by the average person for believing they won a million dollars on a scratch off ticket (it could be a joke ticket yet as long as they believe). Now imagine someone having the same sensations, but being convinced it's a paranormal contact for believing John 3:16. We evolved to seek pleasure (eating/reproduction), and avoid getting killed (tiger in the grass/competing neighbor/harsh enviroment). With our increased cognitive abilities we made up other reasons for pleasure, and survival beyond basic necessity. The Dopamine Reward System over time bridges gaps in pathways in order to form habits in order to repeat behaviors, and or thoughts. The often cited testimony of getting off an addiction thanks to a God is just a placebo replacement due to the power of the mind (an AA participant I heard of chose to worship the radiator in his room instead of an higher power, and became sober). Ancient people did not know the neurosciences. Philo of Alexandria thought that joy came from Heaven by way of God's chief archangel the "Divine Word/Right Reason (Logos)". ON DREAMS, THAT THEY ARE GOD-SENT Book 2 "XXXVII ...And *who can pour over the happy soul which proffers its own reason as the most sacred cup, the holy goblets of true joy, except the cup-bearer of God, the master of the feast, the Word* ?" ALLEGORICAL INTERPRETATION, III "LX ... *the soul very often, when it is delighted, is yet unable to explain what it is that has delighted it; but it is taught by the hierophant and prophet Moses, who tells it, “This is the bread, the food which God has given for the Soul, (Exo. **16:15**)” explaining that God has brought it, his own Word and his own Reason; for this bread which he has given us to eat is this Word of his* ." The High Priest's headdress had a crown made of a plant known for it's hallucinogenic properties at which a golden plate covered the forehead. On said golden plate was inscribed sacred characters for the name of God. Josephus: THE ANTIQUITIES OF THE JEWS, BOOK 3, CHAPTER 7 (172-178), CONCERNING THE GARMENTS ...OF THE HIGH PRIEST "6. The high priest's mitre was the same that we described before, and was wrought like that of all the other priests; above which there was another, with swathes of blue embroidered, and round it was a golden crown polished, of three rows, one above another; out of which arose a cup of gold, which resembled the herb which we call Saccharus: *but those Greeks that are skilful in botany call it Hyoscyamus. ...Now the fruit is preserved by this coat of the calyx, which fruit is like the seed of the herb Sideritis: it sends out a flower that may seem to resemble that of poppy. Of this was a crown made, as far as from the hinder part of the head to each of the temples; but this Ephielis, for so this calyx may be called, did not cover the forehead, but it was covered with a golden plate, which had inscribed upon it the name of God in sacred characters. And such were the ornaments of the high priest."* *Hyoscyamus Niger* " ...was historically used..., *as well as for its psychoactive properties in "magic brews". These psychoactive properties include visual hallucinations and a sensation of flight. ...The plant, recorded as Herba Apollinaris, was used to yield oracles by the priestesses of Apollo.* " en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyoscyamus_niger Scrambled neurochemistry is insight to another realm for some people. The Holy Dopamine Ghost (Thoughts are addictive) kzread.info/head/PLQATeZAnm87BaJjBtM1vMIq_gHRmBq3ie Scripture is designed to keep people in the thought addiction, and shut out from the group those that question. "The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge; fools despise wisdom and instruction." (Prov. 1:7) "In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God." "but when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed." (2 Cor. 4:4, 3:16) "As for the Disbelievers, Whether thou warn them or thou warn them not it is all one for them; they believe not. Allah hath sealed their hearing and their hearts, and on their eyes there is a covering. Theirs will be an awful doom." (Quran 2.006-.007) "Fools say in their hearts, "There is no God." They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds; there is no one who does good." (Psa. 14:1) "but whoever blasphemes against the *Holy Dopamine Ghost* can never have forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin" (Mark 3:29) i.imgflip.com/1ydvtk.jpg

Another big problem I have always had with the “Patty” film is that her breasts are completely covered in hair. I’m not a primate scientist, but I am a special effects artist who has made many creature costumes for film and television, I also sculptured all of the gorillas for the animatronic gorillas and elephants for the Rainforest Cafes used around the world. I also got to use Rick Baker’s molds from the costumes used in Gorillas In The Mist when I made the gorilla suits for the Horror Makeup Show at Universal Studio Theme Parks. I have had to study hundreds of high resolution pictures and video of real gorillas, both lowland and mountain varieties and I have yet to see a gorilla, orangutan, chimpanzee or bonobo with fully furred breasts. All apes and even most monkeys have a mostly bare breast, both female and males. It would seem obvious to me that if Bigfoot was a primate of any kind, it wouldn’t have breasts that are completely covered in thick fur like that? There is no sign of an exposed nipple on Patty at all, even though you can clearly see she not only has breast, but they are swollen, like a new mother would be. Unlike humans, female apes breasts shrivel quite a lot when not lactating. Either Patty still had a baby nursing, or it was a costume. If Patty had a newborn then where is it? It’s not like any primate mother to separate from their young, especially during the ages they’d still be nursing. Unless she miscarried or the infant was stillborn or killed recently. It still can’t explain all of that fur. These are just some of the things in a very long list of other questions that I have about the film that make me believe it is fake. I also believe that Bob Gimlin was duped. Roger told him not to shoot the creature unless it attacked, knowing damned well that Heironimus wasn’t going to charge him, not unless he wanted his head blown off? A Bigfoot carcass would had them them a lot richer than they became, so I can’t believe that a swindler and cheat such as Patterson was, that he wouldn’t have went for the rifle before the camera if he came across a real Sasquatch. There are no Native American tribes in North America that have a legend of Sasquatch. Fact. That name was created by those trying to sell the myth of a giant hairy man in the wilderness. They came up with something they thought sounded Native American. As a special effects artist, I do have to say that the costume was very well done for something from that time.. 85% of the materials we now use in these kind of projects didn’t exist at that time. I have heard rumors that John Chambers had made the costume. He denied it all the way to his death, but if there was anyone capable of making a suit that could fool the world, it was Chambers. I just can’t believe that Chambers would have made the big mistake of putting hair all over the chest like that? He studied apes for years while making the costumes and makeup for the Planet Of The Apes movies. He would have known better, so that makes me think Chambers didn’t make the costume. Instead, it’s seems as though the costume was made by a husband and wife team of costume makers. The Phillip Morris company, a multimillion dollar franchise now, but at the time Patterson contacted them to make an ape suit they were just the two of them. This is at least what they claim. They said they never met Roger, but that he had called them and ordered a gorilla suit, Later, he would call to ask them how to make it look more real, this was when they claim they told him to use football pads to bulk up the actor and use arm extensions to make the hands and forearms longer than human proportions. I think it was Roger’s idea to make it female and that’s when he added the breasts. He must have used water balloons or some other sack of fluid or oil. They did move, but not realistically. The breast sit way up, firm on the chest. Gorillas don’t usually wear bras, so gravity has quite an effect over time. There is a reason that implanted breast in human women don’t move like the actually real thing. The breasts are not a fluid filled bladder, but a large amount of fat cells that can move freely under the skin. Even when lactating, the fluid is not held in a single bladder, but held in cells between the layers of fat, so it actually moves like nothing fabricated. Why Roger covered them with thick fur is a head scratcher? Any pictures of gorillas would have shown him that doesn’t exist, even in the mountain gorillas who live high up in the mountains of the Congo where it can get below freezing at night, so he can’t use cold weather as an excuse. It is more likely because he didn’t have the skills to produce realistic skin, which explains the silly mustache his creature has. All primates, except humans, have little to no hair on their upper lips. I guess he was going for more of a cave man, half man, half gorilla look, but the face doesn’t even resemble any modern sculptures of Paleolithic humans, even if you crossed them with an ape. It looks more like a prop costume from an old episode of Lost On Space or some other Irwin Allen sci fi from the 60s. Maybe it was?

@ZomniacMedia

Ай бұрын

Except that there are MANY primates, orangutans, bonobos, etc, which do. Since we do not know, yet, from which this type of hominid evolved, we cannot automatically assume its physiology should resemble more the great apes of today, or an ancient ape with more fur. Also, no one has said anything about the fact that they had seen two other "bigfoot" on their trek out to the final spot, and the fact that the footprints left by Pattie were casted and analyzed by a primatologist who confirmed the specimen as "different" and "unusual" because of the horizontal dermal ridges left in the cast, a feature of primitive as well as current apes. The so-called "colorization" was performed not during the development process, but much later, two years later, by a "film colorist." This "secret" developer was not so secret, and used by major Hollywood studios, he did NOT colorize it. I must ask for your proof that the developer of the film was "secret" or worked for the adult film industry, when that particular developer was tied to Warner Brothers, and we absolutely know who developed that film. Saying otherwise is disingenuous, and possibly came from hardcore skeptics or from Hironimus himself.

@robertcoggeshall3071

Ай бұрын

This whole top comment is the most ludicrous mishmash of what Roger supposedly did. Patty is real.

@NerevarOfficialReal

11 күн бұрын

Wouldn't it make perfect evolutionary sense for a primate to grow extra body hair in order to adapt to the colder climates of North America? The great apes found in Africa or Southeast Asia don't have hair on their breasts... because they don't need it. Those areas of the world are (surprisingly) a lot warmer, and a lot more humid than North America.

What he called a black bear at 3:51 is NOT a bear. That is a bigfoot or gorilla. It has shoulders. Bears don't have shoulders.

You're forgetting one fact, Bob had a high powered rifle. It makes no sense to take a guy with a high powered rifle to a bigfoot hoax. It is absurd. Patterson had no idea if he would shoot, and Bob has said many times he had told Patterson he would shout bigfoot if he seen it, but when he seen it he felt no need to shoot. Nonetheless, taking a guy with a high powered rifle to a hoax is beyond absurd. Also, how could Bob be a rube if they did not film it the day they said.

I remember I was friends with the guy at the photolab in 2003 and he told me I could take nude photos and shit that he wouldn't destroy if I wanted them filmed. Kids these days will never know how cool it was to "know a guy at the grocery store photo lab"

You didn't explain why the suit looks so different in the film, though! In part one you mention that there's the boobs that move individually but the "exact replica" has absolutely nothing close to that. I was really curious how that got rationalized.

@jaredjensen1418

3 жыл бұрын

@WookDizz18 I'd say it's, at the very least, very well-fitted costuming. However, based on what Skeptic presented, I don't think the men taking credit for it are telling the truth necessarily. Their "exact replica" doesn't fit what we see in the video. I'm absolutely willing to believe it's just a costume, but I'm highly skeptical of it being the work of the men credited with it.

@robertcoggeshall3071

Ай бұрын

There's no way it's a costume, especially from that era.

@jaredjensen1418

Ай бұрын

@@robertcoggeshall3071 valid! I don't know enough about costume tech over the years, so I'll have to take your word for it.

In a documentary from 1970 or '71, and it IS here on youtube I htink it is a town hall show from OR, a man made an excellent point: he said, "Wildlife photographers take photos for a living-they have to take excellent photos and they are in the woods, forests all the time every year taking wildlife photos of all types of animals, birds, game, so why haven't ANY of them spotted Bigfoot and taken photos of it? ONLY BELIEVERS seem to take the photos/videos." PERFECT POINT! Also, it is fake and I can prove it. It amazes me how men don't see obvious features that make this film subject fake. Sometimes it takes a gal! :) Kim

@robertcoggeshall3071

Ай бұрын

It's usually ordinary people taking the bigfoot pictures, not "believers". A possible bigfoot was caught on a wildlife documentary from Canada. Reindeer stampeding along a riverbed, but above them is a figure moving almost as fast on 2 legs.

I'd love to see you tackle more cryptids, like the chupacabra and jersey devil. This stuff has always been a delight to research for me back in the day

Good landing the dismount after the first one. Interesting take for a Devil's advocate skeptic series

I remember the good old days when skeptic was pissing off religious people.

@qwertyMrJINX

3 жыл бұрын

Religion is dead. Politics are the new religion, and that's a topic that's far too volatile. Better to make videos about aliens and big monkeys.

@BloodyMunchkin

3 жыл бұрын

@@qwertyMrJINX This is more entertaining though.

@qwertyMrJINX

3 жыл бұрын

@@BloodyMunchkin I was being genuine.

@somethingstupid699

3 жыл бұрын

@@qwertyMrJINX I wish it was but no in the fuck it's not dead

@TheSpartanFactor

3 жыл бұрын

@@somethingstupid699 Religion is very much still alive, but the meme is dead. Every argument has been made ad nauseam. Creationists and the like never budge on anything at all, ever. It's just no fun anymore. I'm much more satisfied with this direction for Skeptic, even if I do miss the good ol' days of pwning theists. Though I would like to see Greg take aim at things like predatory spiritualism and stuff. Things like mediums, crystals, alternative medicine. That's a gold mine of bullshit to challenge. Some of my favorite Armored Skeptic videos are the Spirit Science ones, because they're just so fucking wild.

Here's my problem with this theory. I'm 100% convinced it's a guy in a suit, but the story doesn't add up. If Gimlin wasn't in on it, then that creates problems in your version of events. First, if Hieronimus was riding along with them and they brought a Big Foot suit, obviously Gimlin knew the plan, so why would he bother riding out in the wild for days filming trees just to fake a Big Foot. He also would be lying about it. Second, if the guy in the suit running passed them scared the horses (who were probably very familiar with Bob, considering he was with them) and convinced Gimlin it was real, the suit must have been pretty damn good in person also. Editing or colourization wouldn't fool Gimlin. Other things also, "Why didnt' he just finish the documentary?", it's honestly more believable that he got so excited with the footage that he didn't bother with the documentary. But... if you look at Bob's walk, and you look at the latest 4K stabilized one with the higher frame rate, it's pretty clear it's Bob... His story doesn't add up, but neither does Patterson's or Gimlin's for that matter. One possibility is that Gimlin never actually saw the Bigfoot, he's not in the shot at all. He was out the previous weekend when they filmed most of roll. Patterson went out the next week, filmed it on his own with Bob at the end of the reel and released it without telling Gimlin about it, that's why Gimlin just played along and disappeared. I know Bob lawyered up before going public, so it's possible that his version of events excludes as many people are possible because he doesn't want to legally drag people into it.

Another important detail is that Patterson and Gimlin were armed, but Patterson made an agreement with Gimlin that if they saw a Sasquatch that they would not shoot it for any reason. He may have agreed that only if the beast attacked them, knowing that the man in the suit wasn’t going to attack them. It certainly would have been a risky move to dress up in that ape suit, knowing those men had rifles and how tempting it would be to shoot the damned thing, thereby having indisputable evidence of the existence of a Sasquatch. Thankfully, Gimlin wasn’t overcome with greed and shoot the creature. We would probably never heard anymore about this adventure. They would have probably buried the actor and snuck off. Patterson was in a butt-load of debt at the time he supposedly captured the famous footage. How many times do any of us just happen to get that thing at the exact moment we need it? It’s like the day the Sheriff comes to evict you from your house, you happen to hit the lottery.... fat chance. Patterson couldn’t even pay for the camera he had rented. There is little doubt to me that the “Patty” footage was staged. They needed a stooge to believe that the footage was real, so Gimlin was the target for selling the entire ruse as real, because Gimlin believed it was real. Why else would Patterson make a point of telling Gimlin not to shoot at the creature, if he wasn’t making sure nobody was killed in the event? When you think of how many “cowboy” wannabes would take a pot shot at such a creature at that particular time? Now, you would be in big trouble for shooting a Sasquatch, but at that time, it would just be another farmer taking care of a varmint. They could have always said it attacked them and it was self defense. I don’t see that being a problem at the infancy stage of the Bigfoot legend. Today, there are so many Bigfoot followers you’d be crucified for injuring one, but not in 1966, when few people knew what a Sasquatch was. In fact, it was the Patterson/Gimlin film that really started the massive fame of Bigfoot. If it were real, would have seen thousands of high resolution video by now, since everyone is now armed with a high res camera in their smart phone. Fake.

@robertcoggeshall3071

Ай бұрын

Patty is real. A suit wouldn't last 2 seconds with the sequence of her walking.

I do want the 4K footage tho

@foxmamer

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think that only a high resolution version made out of the original negatives is the only thing that will either kill or prove the existence of big foot, but we'll probably never see that, it would be cool either way

@quincymcburgerking4407

3 жыл бұрын

Same, i doubt the Patterson family will ever release it though. If they did, it would be interesting to see how much they tampered with it.

@TheRealWilliamWhite

3 жыл бұрын

Bill Muns has a 5k scan of it.

Watching the first few videos in this series, I’ll be honest, I worried for ya Greg. But, this format of constructing the argument and then presenting the debunk looks to work very well in tandem with your presentation and content. Fantastic work man, it’s great to see serious critical thought moving these long-standing theories along. Classic skeptic content, just as it’s always been.

All this time no one person even with digital tech still can't debunk the "Patty" film. An most of all explain the amount encounters even up today.

I will add that hunters are the most common big foot eye witnesses

Dreams: crushed Life: ruined oh yeah, its skeptic time

Couple of points: I develop my films at home. The process didn't change much from the 60s (there are new types of material, but the way of developing is similar, sure, not E-3 any more, but E-6 for Ektachrome, for example...) and is is surely possible to do it in few hours. The time errors in the story are understandable as the man is in his 80s and 90s in the interview. Also, he was holding a gun and aiming at the subject of the film. It seems improbable that you could get a prankster to agree to wear a bigfoot suit and let the guy who likes to wear cowboy clothes and chase monsters you are pranking to point a gun at you. The bigfoot legend might be extremely popular since the 50s, but it was well known longer before that, part of the natives culture and subject of many, many stories of settlers in the 19th and 20th century. On a personal note - I learned about the film from a book. On the same page, there was an article about even more improbable creature, the Ebu Gogo, dwarf wildman living on an island in the Indian ocean. Even more crazy legend. Yet, we found their remains and they are now classified as Homo Floresiensis.

@ZomniacMedia

Ай бұрын

As a Ho-Chunk native, our spoken history of the creatures go further back than that, at least 2,000 years if not much more. The problem I have with all these "debunkers" is how easily everyone goes to the idea of a "man in a suit," but the truth is, there is no suit that replicates what I and many of my tribe members have seen with our own eyes. This film is the closest I've seen to the real thing, and I've seen it enough times to know it is NOT spiritual, alien, or intra-dimensional. It is a REAL animal. In my elder's lifetime, people were ridiculed for believing in gorillas and panda bears, for centuries, then they were discovered, and not only discovered but also found to be much more diverse in their biology such that there are sub-species. This only happened within the last 150 years. A much smarter, more elusive primate is not so easily discovered.

@robertcoggeshall3071

Ай бұрын

​@@ZomniacMediabeautifully put. Very interesting insight. The man in the suit idea doesn't work, especially in this case.

The breakdown of Mr. Gimlin is spot on!! Being described as a “rube” in this event. Bob Gimlin back in that time in that town was known for keeping his word. He was also known for being incredibly reliable and if he told you something then it was money in the bank. He was also part of the Sheriff’s Office doing mounted patrol and working much like a reserve Deputy. In those days, what a LEO said was golden. It’s not like that now. So, what better person could one use from that community than Bob Gimlin?? Answer; nobody or at least nobody who’d ride horses & be able to be off work for that much time. Gimlin had employment movement so he was available. So, having Bob vouch was a perfect situation. Bob lended credence to Patterson. Then, as things unfolded, Bob Gimlin (who could be a bit naive) may have become a little hinked up on the deal so he retreated. Least that’s a theory I’ve had. Real or fraudulent?? I have no idea & have no dog in the fight. But, rest assured, using Mr. Gimlin as a “patsy” needs consideration.

The toes tho, the articulating toes. Tell me about the toes! TELL ME ABOUT THE GODDAMNED TOES 😩😩😩😩

Reminds me of UFO cases dropping rapidly with the acceleration of the public owning smartphones, total surprise.

@Dom-fx4kt

3 жыл бұрын

Its quite the contrary, UFO cases are higher than ever.

@Delta-es1lg

3 жыл бұрын

The problem with UFO cases in the modern era is because of the ease of access and use for extremely good editing software, high quality footage of UFOs is no longer the kind of proof it would have been decades ago. Drones also complicate the search for UFOs, since most of the stuff UFOs are known for (lights in the sky, moving in coordination, etc) are all acomplishable by drones. So most people focus on older cases where those variables can be eliminated from consideration. There are the unusual recent ones, like the ones those F-18 pilots recorded.

@gregoryscott7088

8 күн бұрын

Nobody got your joke, but well done and well written. A lol 3 years in the making ha!

Interesting video, though personally, I don't think it's enough to disprove Patty. You still have issues like how much bulkier and stiff the Heironomus suit is compared to Patty, how Heironomus doesn't kick his legs up as much, and I don't think that a colouriser in the 60s would be able to create all the anatomical details that have been discovered in the film, like rippling muscles, a lesion etc. People also forget that the version of the film most people see is a cleaned up, stabilised edit. The original is quite shaky and unstable. You'd think a hoakster would get a clearer shot if he was confident enough to get a one of a kind, professional suit made.

Its very apparent you've learned a lot about video production over the years and your scripting is fantastic as well. You're doing a great job, Skep and I speak for a lot when I say we are really enjoying this series. Keep it up my dude.

At 7 years old in 1967 it wasn't hard for me to believe in Bigfoot because I was already hooked in the belief of Godzilla... happy childhood memories!

I would really like to know how they got that ape suit thigh to tremble and shudder when the supposed guy in the suit has legs skinny as a rake. If that was a suit, the suit would need to fit tightly around the legs at least. Also although he does get the arm movement right, he gets the leg movement wrong. The "Bigfoot" raises "her" heel higher to the backside than the man does. Still could be a guy in a suit, but its not the guy who says he was the guy in the suit. Looks like the guy seen the film and tried to copy the movements in all honesty.

@ZomniacMedia

Ай бұрын

Also, the toes of the foot curl up like many bipedal apes do when walking. Nothing is mentioned about the minor, but very important details to the "costume." IF this is a hoax it is the most incredible hoax using the most sophisticated practical makeup/costume effects that would make a hollywood production company. That team, who hoaxed this, should have created their own speclab and made bank. Let's also admit that a hoax of this size would need a team, a much bigger team than just four. Hell, it took ,much more than that to do the not-too-convincing costuming and make-up for the Planet of the Apes movies many years later. The recently enhanced footage reveals an ass-crack, flexing deltoid muscles, nipples, flexing toes and patches of lighter fur where frictional movements occur. There are just too many minute details, any of which, in my opinion, are too important to delineate the difference between hoax and reality to the point where at least ONE would have been missed in a hoax, yet new and exciting details like this are discovered all the time. What once was thought of as a herniated muscle in the thigh has been revealed to be a simple fur swipe of the hand, brushing the fur in a direction which makes the fur look darker, then lighter, with each swing of the hand, as well as the "crease" being created by the thumb as the hand brushes past the leg. All of these minute details, and yet, the fact remains... this thing, this incredibly large, graceful, thoughtful thing, is very real.

A nice, refreshing and wholesome video about Bigfoot to cleanse my soul from that video I just watched about Cuties. Why Shoe, why?

I have just found your channel, and I have to say, it's the only one I don't switch off halfway through out of boredom. You go places others don't even know exists and you have also introduced me to a lot of new footage. The way you break everything down maintains the viewers' attention throughout, so looking forward to the years of other videos I have to catch up on. Great channel!

Beginning: "Let's go make a bigfoot documentary. We can go record some footprints." Middle: "OMG! We recorded an actual bigfoot!" End: "Let's not make a bigfoot documentary."

As goofy as it sounds, Bigfoot is one of those things that I just kind of accept as real. There's no doubt in my mind that large a creatures are living deep in forests. We discover new species regularly. Even if this case may have been faked it's still a cool story and gimlin seems like a dude who's just kind of Happy being himself after years of embarrassment. That's just nice to see

@Yal_Rathol

3 жыл бұрын

problem is bigfoot's size. you can't hide a population of large ape-like creatures, we tend to stand out, even if it's in subtle ways. you know chimps are nearby if you find small trees and branches broken or uprooted and thrown about from games and tantrums, etc. nothing like that has ever been found for bigfoot, so they can't be real and just hiding.

@Dom-fx4kt

3 жыл бұрын

@@Yal_Rathol New species of Orangutan was discovered only a couple years ago in Sumatra, and the first piece of evidence of the Bili ape didn't appear till 1996 with a photograph. Then there is the cases of the alleged rock apes, that have been reported to haven been seen by a lot of GI's and Marines in the Vietnam war. Also reported by the North Vietnamese. A North Vietnamese university professor apparently took prints of the tracks, when they went to investigate. In the case of the rock apes, I think it should be looked into more, as it is reported by quite a large number of Vietnam Vets, and is in books about the war, not even cryptozoological books I'm talking of.kzread.info/dash/bejne/dKSC2rmxg6uqn6Q.html

@Yal_Rathol

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dom-fx4kt the tapanuli orangutans were known about, they were merely granted the title of a seperate species of orangutan in 2017, and the bili apes are chimps. both of these are known about. as for rock apes, you know what they sound like? humans. because humans are THE ONLY SPECIES IN HISTORY that can throw rocks with any speed or accuracy. if you throw a rock at something and it throws it back hard enough to hurt you, guess what? it was a human. throwing is a VERY specific ability that requires very specific adaptations. the best most animals can do is a weak, underhanded lob.

@Dom-fx4kt

3 жыл бұрын

@@Yal_Rathol The Tapanuli Orangutans weren't discovered officially till 1997, there isn't many of them and they're quite illusive. Bili apes weren't discovered till 1996, before there was just local stories about large apes that killed Lions. Orangutans can throw over hand and fairly accurately, better with practice and Chimps can lob quite powerful under arm. The Rock apes case they were described as being bipedal apes, about 5feet in height with red or brown fur, usually in groups and sometimes with a much larger alpha that is what the reports say. One of the hills I can't remember the official hill number, but it came to be known as monkey mountain, due to frequent sightings. The KZread war historian mark Felton in the video I sent, describes more about it.

Petition to get Greg to change his channel name to Gregory Irons now that he doesn't debate flat earthera or toxic christians any more

@KarmasAB123

3 жыл бұрын

I would sign

@Viiragon

3 жыл бұрын

At this point his "Armored" brand, while _kinda_ not applicable anymore, is pretty well known, and I think he'd only lose recognisability with the transition while gaining.... pretty much nothing 🤔

@KarmasAB123

3 жыл бұрын

@@Viiragon He would gain a cool name :D

@Viiragon

3 жыл бұрын

@@KarmasAB123 _worth it_ 😂

@cthulhupthagn5771

3 жыл бұрын

He is still a skeptic, and he does like and have armor. I don't really see how the name doesn't fit anymore though maybe I'm missing something from his earliest videos

3:50 The broad shoulders, the very long arms - surely that's a gorilla, n'est-ce pas? Bears have tapered shoulders and much, much shorter arms.

This really does come off as a TV show that I'd watch past my bedtime when I was ten, and I love it.

Native Americans have known about it for a long time. This did not start in the 50s.

There is no way that Patterson Gimlin film could have been shot in 1967 with a man in a suit and still stand up to 21st century scrutiny. It's been looked at under a digital microscope, enhanced, stabilized. There's no way a rodeo clown in 1967 could have predicted the level of technology that we have today. That's a real creature in that video.

"Generally, people are pretty good at telling when you're lying." HAHAHAHA! The triple layer of satire is so great.

I just realised you are basically running through the Yu-Gi-Oh Danger! Archetype.

YES! Heironimous IS Bigfoot in that film!

@Reece-Mincher3601

7 күн бұрын

It's a mature female sasquatch distracting a potential threat from the direction of her younglings, we can even see teats on the breasts.. People will still say stuff like 'Yeah that's clearly Bob in a suit you can even see his glass eye and there's bags of water to simulate muscle movement also NFL shoulder padding☝️🤓' Fur only has a sheen like that when follicles are connected to glands that secrete natural oils, sweat etc. as well as clear signs of chafing on account of its gait (which could have even been a sign of maturity in sasquatch) exposed skin, old wound/herniated muscle etc. all would have took quite a bit of time to manifest indicating that this was in fact a real animal and not some sort of fantastically elaborate hoax Whether one is willing to accept that or not is entirely on oneself

I have come. I'm ready. Feed me the knowledge!

Ive always felt that Gimlin was conned by Patterson, and he realized it a long time ago and stepped out of the spotlight, but then when the legend of Bigfoot started having a resurgence and so many were cashing in on it i believe Bob Gimlin felt that he should be able to cash in on it too since he was a part of the infamous Patty film that made Bigfoot a star. Ive seen a couple of videos about Bob Heironimus, and if you can listen to his story and ignore that walk, then perhaps like Jack Nicholson would say, maybe "you cant handle the truth". And lets not forget that Bob Heironimus passed a polygraph on national television,and it was administered by one of the leading examiners in the country at the time. But to hardcore believers you could locate the infamous suit along with a recording of Patterson admitting the film was a hoax and they still wouldnt believe it. At the end of the day, im not saying bigfoot isn't real, but the film of 67 surely isn't.

Dude, can I just say I fucking LOVE the direction you’re taking your channel in! Your last dozen videos or so are my favourite. I literally can’t get enough of them!

You nailed this one. I live 20 min from the place it was shot. I still love the legend, but this one is bs.

@robertcoggeshall3071

Ай бұрын

If he's saying it's fake, he's wrong. Patty is real, no suit moves like that.

3:45 : THANK YOU!! I believe that most of the people who swear they have seen bigfoot have actually seen a bear doing this, and then run off before the bear returns to all fours (which is a good thing anyway, because its a frakking BEAR!! ^_^)

@bethanysmith4895

3 жыл бұрын

And the Yowie in Australia, a country with no bears?

@MrChupacabra555

3 жыл бұрын

@@bethanysmith4895 There are no bigfeet in Australia....the Bunyip ate them all ^_^

4:11 "the animals that humans have evolved to fear the most is humans" Ahhh deary me love that cheeky smile

Phillip Morris, the man who first introduced Hieronimus to media also claims he made the suit. Hieronimus claims they needed someone big for the suit. But he was only 6 foot with boots on and 190 lbs. Not very large. The bigfoot in the film is 94 inches tall, 22 inches taller that him. Hieronimus also said the suit was three pieces, pants, body and head. While Morris said the suit was one single piece with a zipper up the back and it had no female anatomy. They didn't voluntarily make the claim either, they shopped the interview around soliciting payment in advance for the story. When tasked to recreate the suit Morris couldn't even come close. The Hieronimus story is simply false.

@NerevarOfficialReal

11 күн бұрын

Yup. And Bob Hieronimous initially failed to point out where the film was shot. Pointing to a park in Eureka.

They went there to film a bigfoot movie...lol

but that isnt a photo of a black bear from behind.

Good breakdown of the situation. I was under the impression that Patterson went to jail for not returning the camera.

@robertcoggeshall3071

Ай бұрын

Went to court, but paid the fine.

@NerevarOfficialReal

11 күн бұрын

No. He was arrested for returning the camera he rented, but once he did return it, all charges were dropped.

This is an entirely new genre of documentary: make me genuinely believe some bullshit and then tell me I'm a fucking idiot. I love it.

I like how his videos have gone from atheism to other interesting topics

@Falcodrin

3 жыл бұрын

Yea its not like religions come up with new ideas very often so its pretty easy to run out of material to talk about

@TheSteelmushroom

3 жыл бұрын

Plus this is still skepticism which is kind of the surface idea of the channel

@erinseidel4434

3 жыл бұрын

TheSteelMushroom definitely to both your points I do enjoy this stuff a lot more cause I meant aliens that ruled the world illuminati big foot so much more to think about than just god exist or not lol

The first video I think helped show how easily any person could be drawn into these conspiracy theories. Being presented with relatively good points, without any counter in the video, really pulls you in and makes you believe. Got me questioning it myself. At the part where you compare Patty to the supposed suit actor, you show their body proportions. You say they line up perfectly but to my eye it seems like Patty has a longer body with lower hips, as well as longer thighs with lower knees and shorter lower legs (although that second one could just be down to us not being able to see its foot) The question then comes about height. Can we determine Bigfoots height by using objects around it. And if so, does that compare to Bobby boys height. Of course, height can be altered with stilts and i dont know if Bob mentions these like he did the things he supposedly did have in the arms. But if that was the case, how would you create the toe curl like you showed previously. And besides. We all know how completely unalike that suit looks from the video. Disregarding the terrible looking hair. It looks, to me atleast, like its dumpier. Like its Patty squished down. Appears shorter and a big chunkier, especially around the hips, while the original seems more lean and stands tall, despite the slouch. A slouch I seem to share with it, unfortunately. It comes down to this. Do I believe bigfoot is real, I couldn't say for certain. I lean back and forth. But do I think its Bob in the suit? I have my doubts.

Now THIS is the Armored Skeptic I subscribed to.

This channel has been killing it. Last 5 videos have been great and deserve way more views.