WarThunder + Jets + VR = Fun

Some actions in WarThunder EC, rank 7 with VR headset.
In German Mig-21bis-SAU (not fully-upgraded).
PC: Intel Core i9 11900K, DDR4 32 GB, GeForce RTX 3080 Ti
VR helm: HP Reverb G2
HOTAS: Gladiator NXT GNX (stick) + Logitech 3D Pro (throttle)

Пікірлер: 165

  • @SirEpifire
    @SirEpifire Жыл бұрын

    My man is shaking like he's descending into the Deathstar trench.

  • @uppercutgrandma4425

    @uppercutgrandma4425

    Жыл бұрын

    Those DT's + having a pilot's license= waking up in a fighter jet

  • @Tekner436

    @Tekner436

    Жыл бұрын

    michael j fox plays war thunder

  • @1pr0xy_

    @1pr0xy_

    Ай бұрын

    @@Tekner436Bro

  • @aspect2399

    @aspect2399

    14 күн бұрын

    @@1pr0xy_Micheal j fox plays war thunder

  • @archewarius9017
    @archewarius9017 Жыл бұрын

    WarThunder + Jets + VR = -100000000 silver lions.

  • @skliff13

    @skliff13

    Жыл бұрын

    So true 😢

  • @Last_Tutmos

    @Last_Tutmos

    Жыл бұрын

    or = 2500 €

  • @user-fg6mq3dg3d

    @user-fg6mq3dg3d

    Жыл бұрын

    hahahahaha, the price of the experience is part of the accuracy the simulator achieves

  • @ArcFire_Fox
    @ArcFire_Fox Жыл бұрын

    Wow at first I really thought this was DCS for a minute, than realized it was War Thunder, some very excellent gameplay, thanks for sharing ^^

  • @__--_-_-.__---___.__---__-

    @__--_-_-.__---___.__---__-

    Жыл бұрын

    it says war thunder in the title

  • @hoffmanstream1107
    @hoffmanstream1107 Жыл бұрын

    Boy ... Just watching this was so much fun .. Thx for the ride.

  • @hoffmanstream1107

    @hoffmanstream1107

    Жыл бұрын

    MIght I ask .. Are you using openXR toolkit?

  • @wouterhoogers2615
    @wouterhoogers2615 Жыл бұрын

    wooowww. i play war thunder for 9 years now with many, many hours, days worth of playing but this is a whole new experience. Thats litteraly it. Im going to buy a headset. This video tipped me over.

  • @Kedustrolder

    @Kedustrolder

    Жыл бұрын

    Welcome to the sim community :D It's the funniest game mod in war thunder but ... get ready to lose silver lions

  • @walkerd0156

    @walkerd0156

    Жыл бұрын

    You should take a look at IL2 Sturmovik

  • @wouterhoogers2615

    @wouterhoogers2615

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Kedustrolder I lose SL every time I take out my favourite tanks (f.e. Maus), dont worry ;) Thanks for the reply. I have been looking for a good VR since, and will be coming to my home when I made the choice. Im a bit of a race nut anyway, so it combines perfectly.

  • @iraklimgeladze5223

    @iraklimgeladze5223

    Жыл бұрын

    @@wouterhoogers2615 I have quest 2 and tried VR and I don't know why it's so blurry than other games

  • @MondoChow777

    @MondoChow777

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@Kedustrolder Its hard to lose silver lions in simulator battles when you get rewarded for being shot down.

  • @benferrisinverts4198
    @benferrisinverts41982 ай бұрын

    Warthunder jets = getting striked from across the map and paying half of your silver lions to repair lmao

  • @We.Do.A.Bit.Of.Trolling
    @We.Do.A.Bit.Of.Trolling Жыл бұрын

    Imagine how scary it would be to get hit and forget that you are playing a videogame💀

  • @SmokysRides

    @SmokysRides

    Жыл бұрын

    I once fell asleep playing a late night flight in FS2020. Woke up with the nose approaching the ground. It took a moment to go from taint pucker to lol, but it was a wild ride. Didn't crash!

  • @We.Do.A.Bit.Of.Trolling

    @We.Do.A.Bit.Of.Trolling

    Жыл бұрын

    ​@@SmokysRides 💀

  • @agape_99

    @agape_99

    Жыл бұрын

    💀bro

  • @jimlthor

    @jimlthor

    Жыл бұрын

    When I first started playing VTOL VR, I was flying with a wingman over these ships that we were targeting. I didnt know they had missiles.. I saw it launch one, and it looked like it was heading for my wingman. I just kept cruising, and ignored it. Suddenly, that missile comes into frame and flies right into my face. Jumpscared the fuck out of me. I almost gave myself whiplash, and it slung my headset off my head

  • @oliverlopinet393
    @oliverlopinet393 Жыл бұрын

    C'est vraiment très impressionnant en VR, bravo à vous !

  • @skylander6050

    @skylander6050

    Жыл бұрын

    Joue a DCS c’est mieux

  • @RealNotallGaming
    @RealNotallGaming Жыл бұрын

    oh nice old times when i had VR and PS4 ^^ it was fun in 3.5 hours endurance sim session

  • @HarshSingh-mw2fp

    @HarshSingh-mw2fp

    Жыл бұрын

    Did the psvr support warthunder?

  • @RealNotallGaming

    @RealNotallGaming

    Жыл бұрын

    @@HarshSingh-mw2fp no ^^ and yes you have the VR image but you cant move it with VR LoL gaijin morons

  • @Alexx_2719

    @Alexx_2719

    3 ай бұрын

    ​@@HarshSingh-mw2fpwith softwares you can do pcvr with an playstation vr

  • @cjpert5286
    @cjpert52866 ай бұрын

    Nice flight !

  • @Darksagan
    @Darksagan Жыл бұрын

    War thunder looks way better than how I remember it.

  • @dexoneru3725
    @dexoneru3725 Жыл бұрын

    Very good joke i like your video, nice quality and nice Kills

  • @Shalucaf1
    @Shalucaf1 Жыл бұрын

    Man, Warthunder SIm is an Awesome game...

  • @Satrus-Popeye
    @Satrus-Popeye Жыл бұрын

    pls take note of the panel above the HUD; that panel is a removable panel used for nuclear weapons. Note: there is a similar panel to control+arm the gun pods that can be fitted to the inner pylons.

  • @jimlthor

    @jimlthor

    Жыл бұрын

    In DCS there's another panel that looks like that for ECM. Jamming and I believe chaff/flares. I wanna say it's customizable for different patters, and may even have an auto feature, but I've only used it a few times around 4 or 5 months ago

  • @playerjyzb1423
    @playerjyzb1423 Жыл бұрын

    high tier simulator is crazy

  • @theunseenwalrus5768
    @theunseenwalrus5768 Жыл бұрын

    Bogey is an unknown contact. Bandit is a confirmed hostile that hasn't shot at you or friendlies yet.

  • @Stimme_des_Blutes
    @Stimme_des_Blutes Жыл бұрын

    Hello, great gameplay. Which glasses and joystick were used here?

  • @Ca1lanZ
    @Ca1lanZ26 күн бұрын

    I have just bought a thrustmaster hotas warthog as my first flight stick does anyone know if it work well in war thunder or are there better options I could go for later

  • @skliff13

    @skliff13

    18 күн бұрын

    Dunno why it would not work well for WT. From any joystick in any sim-alike game you need axes and buttons. Thrustmaster Warthog definitely has enough buttons, I'm only not sure about an axis for yaw control. I've heard some models lack trick twist, so you may need to add pedals to that. Apart from joystick I'd definitely recommend at least something for head tracking. Today there should be pretty cheap options available.

  • @SophieNotSophie_
    @SophieNotSophie_ Жыл бұрын

    You can go into options>graphics and turn streamer mode on to get rid of the things on the corners of the screen when recording.

  • @hoffmanstream1107

    @hoffmanstream1107

    Жыл бұрын

    Please dont , i like to know what the FOV of the headset is ...

  • @ctrlaltbang9883

    @ctrlaltbang9883

    Жыл бұрын

    thank you sir

  • @user-jd5ir9xg7z
    @user-jd5ir9xg7z Жыл бұрын

    Красиво отработал.

  • @WellMarbleCam
    @WellMarbleCam Жыл бұрын

    are you able to use the vr controllers to move the hands or do you have to use keyboard and mouse?

  • @skliff13

    @skliff13

    Жыл бұрын

    Do you mean controlling stick and throttle with controllers? I don't think it makes much sense TBH. So I just use joysticks.

  • @MegaRoflgames

    @MegaRoflgames

    Жыл бұрын

    You cannot use the controllers sadly. You have to use game pads, keyboard and mouse, or a flight stick. Vtol vr, however, you can use the controllers to move your hands and arms.

  • @florentconstant5837
    @florentconstant5837 Жыл бұрын

    trop chaud

  • @user-dj6gi6un7u
    @user-dj6gi6un7u Жыл бұрын

    Молодец! Профи

  • @freddoflyer1127
    @freddoflyer1127 Жыл бұрын

    supersonic and manouvering🤣

  • @user-tf5my7rw4r
    @user-tf5my7rw4r Жыл бұрын

    Wow amazing dude!!!

  • @nicholasjensen8016
    @nicholasjensen8016 Жыл бұрын

    bro turn camera shake off pleeease. Options - Common battle settings. or at least lower it for your own sake

  • @fighterjet1180

    @fighterjet1180

    Жыл бұрын

    Wouldn't this add to the immersion in vr tho?

  • @orue5499

    @orue5499

    Жыл бұрын

    @@fighterjet1180 i dont think youd shake that much as he did in the beginning of the video though..

  • @EpicFishGamer
    @EpicFishGamer6 ай бұрын

    how much rp did u get from that?

  • @PrezesPL
    @PrezesPL Жыл бұрын

    Hi, how did you manage to record it, is it a one-eye recording? Looks very good!

  • @skliff13

    @skliff13

    Жыл бұрын

    Via some default NVIDIA overlay, nothing special. It can record whatever the game window displays, and I set it to duplicate the right eye picture.

  • @dfoe108
    @dfoe108 Жыл бұрын

    hi! how do i use war thunder with the Reverb G2 outside of steam VR? it either doesnt launch or doesnt give a signal to the headset

  • @skliff13

    @skliff13

    11 ай бұрын

    Not sure I can give any valuable hint here, but my WT goes through Windows Mixed Reality, and indeed doesn't use the Steam VR. However some time ago I was able to also disable Steam VR for DCS by forcing it to use OpenXR instead. Don't remember the details, but maybe OpenXR can help.

  • @dfoe108

    @dfoe108

    11 ай бұрын

    @@skliff13 Welp, I'm not launching the game through steam. WT should automatically use OpenXR/WMR, but for some reason WMR just does not do anything if I switch into VR mode in WT. It just stays in the standard home environment

  • @jackdoesnotplaytrumpet
    @jackdoesnotplaytrumpet Жыл бұрын

    do you need externeal hardware for this?

  • @potatofuryy

    @potatofuryy

    Жыл бұрын

    Well you need a VR headset to play in VR lol

  • @butterfliege885
    @butterfliege885 Жыл бұрын

    how did war thunder work for you in VR? for me it was a litteraly big screen not even 3D i was in VR but in a screen.

  • @BowtieIndustries

    @BowtieIndustries

    Жыл бұрын

    you have to launch it in VR mode. there should be a pop up, just toggle the vr mode

  • @butterfliege885

    @butterfliege885

    Жыл бұрын

    i did.... do that..

  • @butterfliege885

    @butterfliege885

    Жыл бұрын

    @@MinhNguyen-qb4fi i went into a match. and it was still a big screen.

  • @SophieNotSophie_

    @SophieNotSophie_

    Жыл бұрын

    If you have discord id be glad to try and help you with your problem

  • @dorkster3864
    @dorkster3864 Жыл бұрын

    i tried playing WT vr in my quest 2 but the hud display is always so blurry and unusable, i just assume thats how the game is made.. am i missing anything here

  • @skliff13

    @skliff13

    Жыл бұрын

    Not sure why HUD may be blurry, but you may check pixels density or other settings.

  • @GROGU123

    @GROGU123

    Жыл бұрын

    You need to buy the direct to PC USB cable. It also has to be a good one designed for the quest, not a crappy one. The way you're doing it, you need to sit directly next to the wifi router, even then, it'll be blurry because you're essentiially remote streaming into the PC via your wifi. It's not enough bandwidth for the full bitrate your computer is capable of. Get the USB cable for direct PC connection. Also, if your motherboard has a dedicated USB C VR port, that's the one to use.

  • @dartik1148
    @dartik1148 Жыл бұрын

    Классно, тоже так хочу

  • @ryanabdelahad8754
    @ryanabdelahad875411 ай бұрын

    I got a vr with joysticks its sooooo fun but a little hard

  • @lukasjackson9172
    @lukasjackson9172 Жыл бұрын

    What jet are you flying?

  • @dadolphinplayz

    @dadolphinplayz

    Жыл бұрын

    its a mig21bis sau with 4 r13

  • @randomv3iwer
    @randomv3iwerАй бұрын

    Question: Why is the camera leaning on the left side? VR limitations? Or video recording made it look like that but in actual play, you are at the center of the cockpit? Thanks in advance for the answer. Nice flying BTW

  • @skliff13

    @skliff13

    Ай бұрын

    For VR, two images are rendered for each eye. This is recording of a window which was showing the left eye image (there is a setting to choose which image to display). That's why the camera is leaning.

  • @user-ox5bb1ze1w
    @user-ox5bb1ze1w Жыл бұрын

    Which VR do you use? What is the name of the model?

  • @retinaquester

    @retinaquester

    Жыл бұрын

    This is literally written in the description of the video.

  • @Mishalali-wz6lm
    @Mishalali-wz6lm Жыл бұрын

    I love you mig 21 bis😢

  • @HoshzoraMarz
    @HoshzoraMarz6 ай бұрын

    do you control it with VR hands or keyboard?

  • @skliff13

    @skliff13

    6 ай бұрын

    No VR hands, just joysticks (details in the description).

  • @serega77rus24
    @serega77rus24 Жыл бұрын

    Прикольно)

  • @topchiypaul
    @topchiypaul2 ай бұрын

    Dude is that SB or RB? I don’t remember you have markings on the allied planes in SB. And how good you are with RB-VR-Aviation Joystick gamepad?

  • @Schimml0rd

    @Schimml0rd

    9 күн бұрын

    you get markers when you are close to each other (for planes). joystick in RB is a no-no

  • @voiden3338
    @voiden3338 Жыл бұрын

    We have like the same PC build lol

  • @pre5sur321
    @pre5sur321 Жыл бұрын

    i play vr with a quest 2 and the cockpit is like blurry and low quality idk why is this the same shi for u or nah

  • @skliff13

    @skliff13

    Жыл бұрын

    Hard to tell You mean the entire image is blurry or the textures in the cockpit are blurry? The latter may depend on the textures quality setting, on the game client downloaded (min/full/ultra HQ) or even the aircraft itself: some old planes in the game (e.g. Spitfires) have just very old and shitty cockpits compared to the planes added recently.

  • @JENava-no6jd
    @JENava-no6jd Жыл бұрын

    In my mind Ace Combat Zero music playing

  • @harambe-h8884
    @harambe-h8884 Жыл бұрын

    hey man, can i ask what headset and prephirals you are using for this? thanks

  • @SVENY
    @SVENY Жыл бұрын

    if only grinding for jets didn't require to play wt like it's a full time job.

  • @skliff13

    @skliff13

    Жыл бұрын

    If you have a full-time job you can: - buy top tier premiums in WT - buy a few planes in DCS :) - ...

  • @SVENY

    @SVENY

    Жыл бұрын

    @@skliff13 i do have planes in DCS , but sometimes i want a bit more of an arcade feel, and WT fills that gap :3

  • @AdemirShalom
    @AdemirShalom Жыл бұрын

    Top

  • @VYT930
    @VYT930 Жыл бұрын

    I wish I has a good computer like yours, mine has no riz

  • @VYT930

    @VYT930

    Жыл бұрын

    @ARealCommunist🏳️‍🌈 Ik I have a pc but it only has a 1650 and a ryzen 5

  • @VYT930

    @VYT930

    Жыл бұрын

    @ARealCommunist🏳️‍🌈 quest 2

  • @zuberk8812
    @zuberk8812 Жыл бұрын

    Which VR headset u using?

  • @skliff13

    @skliff13

    Жыл бұрын

    In the description

  • @_martix133
    @_martix133 Жыл бұрын

    Only 2000 hours of grinding to get them!!! 1!1!11!😊

  • @Moxie_278

    @Moxie_278

    Жыл бұрын

    Bruh it took me 3000 to get jets bc I didn't have premiums or premium acc 😢

  • @_martix133

    @_martix133

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Moxie_278 This is why I don't play this game any more. If I play, I lose mones because of War Thunders "rEaLiSTiC" money loss method (repair cost). Terrible map design, I have to drove for 5 minutes every round to get to enemies who instantly kill me... Same in Air RB. Cant try anything new because all the vehicles are so grindy. Yeah no way im getting back to this

  • @rayangosling00
    @rayangosling00 Жыл бұрын

    А когда у пилота перегруз 4g , тебе тоже хреново становится?

  • @user-ol1qm9ey7g
    @user-ol1qm9ey7g Жыл бұрын

    ถ้าเราพัฒนาได้อย่างนี้นะฉันว่าวงการเครื่องบินบังคับ RC จะมีลูกเล่นใหม่ๆออกมา

  • @pocked-trio
    @pocked-trio Жыл бұрын

    Vr 1 or vr 2 ?

  • @IEagleoneI

    @IEagleoneI

    Жыл бұрын

    PCVR

  • @tillstrobach6716
    @tillstrobach6716 Жыл бұрын

    maybe try turning down sense of flight so the cockpit wont jiggle so much

  • @kerecsenracz8094

    @kerecsenracz8094

    Жыл бұрын

    sense of flight is different. I think its called "camera shake in vr". So much easier to fly like that.

  • @vicskank1
    @vicskank17 ай бұрын

    when i play this i get siknes from vr

  • @selfpsydiver
    @selfpsydiver Жыл бұрын

    Чемпион

  • @minelli5399
    @minelli5399 Жыл бұрын

    When you play with VR, you play with other people usinh VR or not?

  • @agape_99

    @agape_99

    Жыл бұрын

    not

  • @minelli5399

    @minelli5399

    Жыл бұрын

    @@agape_99 holy... but you played so good for who play with keyboard and mause

  • @agape_99

    @agape_99

    Жыл бұрын

    @@minelli5399idk man i went ground mostly

  • @suwudchaikaewmart-ud8dg
    @suwudchaikaewmart-ud8dg10 ай бұрын

    ไฮไลท์

  • @friesingcold
    @friesingcold Жыл бұрын

    you can turn off camera shake

  • @testplmnb
    @testplmnb Жыл бұрын

    wait until he realizes there is DCS

  • @flowblade7512

    @flowblade7512

    Жыл бұрын

    Not everyone wants to play a full fidelity flight sim

  • @giovannipozzi5542
    @giovannipozzi5542 Жыл бұрын

    i would like to play in vr, but i can't find myself a cheap visor and a joystick. can anyone help me? (i'm on budget, like 40/50 euros)

  • @skliff13

    @skliff13

    Жыл бұрын

    VR helms are all not cheap, and also need a somewhat powerful PC. Cheap joysticks which could suffice for WT: Logitech 3D pro, Thrustmaster T16000 (not sure if still manufactured). For cheap head tracking - there are very different solutions, some need special webcam + IR lights, some need a usual webcam + some free software (e.g. OpenTrack). Find "zerotoheroalek" channel on twitch, the guy seems to use a cheap setup for head tracking.

  • @ubpoperator6649

    @ubpoperator6649

    Жыл бұрын

    I tried to make a budget flight sim set up, if you want cheap head tracking you can get an air mouse and strap in to your head set or use a 15$ I phone app call smooth track. Also I bought a mobile phone vr headset on Amazon for 30$ and then used Trinus to stream from my pc to mobile however you definitely get what you pay for in terms of headset quality

  • @russianclassicvideos9925

    @russianclassicvideos9925

    Жыл бұрын

    @@skliff13 какие у тебя очки? Отличный геймплей!

  • @skliff13

    @skliff13

    Жыл бұрын

    @@russianclassicvideos9925 очки HP Reverb G2. Добавил в описание видео.

  • @russianclassicvideos9925

    @russianclassicvideos9925

    Жыл бұрын

    @@skliff13 Интересно. На моем quest 2 WT неиграбелен, плотности пикселей не хватает вдалеке хоть что-то разглядеть

  • @apolakigamingandmore6376
    @apolakigamingandmore6376 Жыл бұрын

    I want a VR headset where it can apply G-force unto you in real life, not only in game.... *JAJAJA*

  • @harleyharmon1475
    @harleyharmon1475 Жыл бұрын

    I know everybody thinks they're really good when they purchase a jet with their actual money

  • @Winterfal11

    @Winterfal11

    Жыл бұрын

    You salty bro?

  • @dg6546
    @dg6546 Жыл бұрын

    imma throw up

  • @timarc9895
    @timarc98957 ай бұрын

    wait... war thunder and fun shouldn't be used in the same sentence that's illegal. Calling the police...

  • @eklhaft4531
    @eklhaft4531 Жыл бұрын

    If I had a good joystick and a powerfull computer, I would play DCS instead.

  • @skliff13

    @skliff13

    Жыл бұрын

    I play DCS too from time to time, depending on the mood.

  • @potatouno

    @potatouno

    Жыл бұрын

    dcs is cool, but it's boring, it's boring to learn and if you're not a recurring player you forget everything

  • @choatus

    @choatus

    Жыл бұрын

    @@potatouno Not boring at all once you get into multiplayer servers and can fight. It is much better than War thunder in every aspect.

  • @potatouno

    @potatouno

    Жыл бұрын

    @@choatus 600 pages manual

  • @choatus

    @choatus

    Жыл бұрын

    @@potatouno I learned to fly multiple jets without even looking at any manuals.. not sure what you are on about tbh...

  • @jackmehoff3666
    @jackmehoff3666 Жыл бұрын

    NERD THUNDER!!!!

  • @TheBloxianist
    @TheBloxianist Жыл бұрын

    Bro using made in Germany plane

  • @zningz5317
    @zningz5317 Жыл бұрын

    I can't see anyone....., you need good eyes...

  • @Crispy_Crisp
    @Crispy_Crisp Жыл бұрын

    this shits probably better than dcs tbh edit: i should have never posted this comment 💀💀💀

  • @choatus

    @choatus

    Жыл бұрын

    LOL no way, what you smokin?

  • @Crispy_Crisp

    @Crispy_Crisp

    Жыл бұрын

    @@choatus bro dcs is for people with more than 1 braincell and 9 hours of free time ight?

  • @choatus

    @choatus

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Crispy_Crisp You have less than 1 braincell? gotcha....

  • @yvtteka

    @yvtteka

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Crispy_Crisp yeah but war thunder wants more of your life time

  • @markmagness3693

    @markmagness3693

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Crispy_Crisp wtf? The jets are complicated af…

  • @javierarceo7934
    @javierarceo7934 Жыл бұрын

    Ante todo buen día, no se cómo explicar esto, pero trataré. El juego en si muy bueno, muy realista en muchas cosas, pero es en si una mierda. Aquí no hay diferencia con otros juegos como word of thank; bueno creo que allá son mejores porque por lo menos allí usan algo más de tácticas de combate algo que es importante en cualquier partida, aquí cada uno a su rollo, es mas no saben leer!, todos juegas combates aéreos (arcade) como si que fuesen dog fight y no ven ni el marcador a la izquierda abajo, por supuesto es una pérdida de tiempo, en los tanques peor, Aller estuve en una partida ganada A,B Y C tomadas pero como si que el juego era destruir todos los tanques enemigos ( que no era) siguieron y perdieron la partida, es común esto; por otro lado parecen idiotas todos a el punto A y luego todos al B y después al C nadie se quedó a defender ninguna de las otras bases, cosa que en word of thank si comprenden. Es más a los programadores de este juego allá en word of thank hay partidas donde si tienes que matar a todos los tanques y es muy interesante. Se ponen en columnas con todos los tanques, que torpeza, cuando tienen que ponerse es en fila así son más eficientes. Lo peor tengo 35 años usando fly simulator, busque un clan para ver si así era mejor y me contestaron "Olvida todo lo que sabes". Yo volé en simuladores reales de instrucción de Boeing 737 800 y se noto mi experiencia en el control del avión. No es recomiendo este juego, no es lo que promete y no por el programa sino por la gente que lo usa, perecen niños.

  • @cbepsupernova
    @cbepsupernova Жыл бұрын

    this step only works if ur not using an F5C as it has only 2 missiles and both of them are dogshit

  • @Humono
    @Humono Жыл бұрын