I have noticed that ever since the ContraPoints video there has been an influx of bot accounts or subscribers that are only here to try and effect channel performance. Whenever a video is posted they dump subs and then re-sub on an older video. It will not stop the channel, but I appreciate the support of all the real people out there.

@jessica.thunder

5 ай бұрын

I subscribed had to come back here to see if you posted anything new.

@SecretScholars

5 ай бұрын

I just posted a major update@@jessica.thunder

@lareina9919

5 ай бұрын

Oh yes, anyone I don't like is a bot, very "critical thinking" 🙄🥱

@midgetmachete1889

5 ай бұрын

​@@lareina9919 😂😂😂 I love that that is your interpretation of his statement. It's like you read the words but didn't actually listen. 🤟 😅

@thomass5169

5 ай бұрын

@@midgetmachete1889 or think.

A lot of Rowling's supposed transphobia boils down to "A rapey man who becomes a trans woman is still rapey - except now 'she' has access to Women only spaces - This is a problem no?"

@Lynn.hopeful10

5 ай бұрын

EXACTLY!!! And so obvious..Wouldn’t you think…

@Qq-xs1fz

5 ай бұрын

To be fair this entire drama was being escalated from both sides - the more she was called a "transphobe" the cruder JKR's response was. Hard to blame her, but it's a shame noone had the dignity to stop this madness.

@Hankblue

5 ай бұрын

@@Qq-xs1fz I don't think it would have made a difference. Look at Jesse Singal, the moment he offered even milquetoast criticism on this subject he started getting added to hatelists, there is no in-between for these activists.

@NewtFidoScamander

5 ай бұрын

@@Qq-xs1fz She was classy the entire way. Having fun here and there doesn't change that ^^

@victorvolobuev507

5 ай бұрын

@@Qq-xs1fzmobs dont have the mental capacity to stop unless their object of offense is annihilated. The problem with mobs is they tend to be a majority, and in social media, majority rules by number of views and likes etc. and online, where things can be viewed again and commented on again, i feel, it can escalate more because of it’s permanence

Transphobic doesn't even mean anything. It's just a "shun this person" word.

@ninjaoflight908

5 ай бұрын

"Trans people can't even agree among ourselves what gender is, in fact if you even try to answer the question you end up enraging some part of the community who feels excluded." --Natalie Wyn, "J.K. Rowling" It's funny, because the most literal definition of "transphobia" is "irrational fear of transgender people." Yet Wyn doesn't even want a rational understanding of what "gender" or "trans" even mean.

@LoneWolf-rc4go

5 ай бұрын

@@keelhld94 This is deliberate. One of the core ideas within the radical progressive movement is the manipulation of language to create a situation where it's almost impossible to 'ground' a conversation.

@ChosenSquirrel

5 ай бұрын

@@ninjaoflight908 Alright then lets awnser it then, its a made up term to describe an element of personality relevant to steriotypical roles between the sex's. I am sure someone would take offense to this . Why because then the proper term for those who are trans would be transsexual's Gender has a softness to its word and transsexual sounds clinical so these activists wont like that. Bottom line is this is basically Gnostic duelism and has no grounding in the physical world . Spirit and body are bound together, or scientifically you are your body... Your not trapped in a body that is you.

@ChosenSquirrel

5 ай бұрын

Exactly its like "Supressive person" Used by Scientology. They have the same tactics. If your against the church they will assume its because your evil or something got a lot of dirt and make baseless accusations ... Sound familiar?

@panzer00

5 ай бұрын

It's a dog whistle.

I realized mainly four tactics of Contrapoints here and they all try to prevent people from critical thinking and building an own opinion on subjects: 1.) Don't try to develop a differentiated opinion on a subject. Just be "honest" and tell whether you are with us or against us. If you are an ally, you don't have to think anymore, we just expect 100% loyalty. Otherwise you are an enemy. 2) Beware of people who encourage you of critical thinking, they want to lead you in a trap. You are in danger! Just believe us, we care for you as long as you are 100% loyal and refrain from establishing an own opinion. 3) Don't think our enemies are innocent just because they haven't said anything of what we accuse them of. That makes them even more dangerous. We know that they are guilty. 4) Enemy is everyone who is not an ally. Enemies are not human, thy are scum, vermin. Therefore we are not bound to human behavior if we deal with them.

@bit7389

4 ай бұрын

You described the logic of a terrorist.

@ktinxx

4 ай бұрын

@dr.rationalist9669 Interesting. What you describe aligns perfectly with the mechanisms of a cult. As it happens, JK Rowling's latest book The Running Grave deals with a cult and now I am asking myself how much being vilified and maligned by some trans activists has played into writing that book. Might be only coincidence, mind you. This is coming from a mom of a trans kid for whose trans rights I would fight until the end of time.

@EugeniaPortobello

4 ай бұрын

👏👏👏👏

@AkitaMix

4 ай бұрын

it's a cult

@spencerdiniz

4 ай бұрын

Got to keep her followers/audience loyal… it’s all about the money now.

“I’m so morally superior, I don’t need to actually prove what I am saying” “This is so obvious, that I cannot even articulate why it is true” “It is absolutely okay to harass people that have different opinions from yours - even if you cannot show why their opinion is wrong and can’t even be bothered to make an attempt to prove your own viewpoints”

@michaelwills1926

4 ай бұрын

She also said something like “if you ask them to give you an an example, and they do, they’re just messing with you”

@haydenwalton2766

4 ай бұрын

exactly, and on top of all that she has the hutzbah to accuse those that disagree with her ideology of employing the 'mott and bailey'. most of their argumentative tactics really on the bloody thing !

@user-bu8ht8rh5e

4 ай бұрын

@@haydenwalton2766 The left's Bailey: "Trans women are women. Trans women are murdered and battered for being trans women. Trans women struggle to integrate into society because of transphobia. Therefore, Trans women, without question, have to be allowed into women's spaces." The argument: Trans women and biological women are inherently different. We have to recognize those differences to respect biological women's comforts. Let's have a discussion on how to accommodate Trans women into society without disrupting the rights of biological women and their spaces that society has spent years trying to ground against predators. The left's Motte: "TRANSPHOBIC" I find that the far left like to use what they learned in psychology class to try to dismantle arguments with debate fallacies. Essentially more god damn buzzwords LOL

@nc956

3 ай бұрын

I do understand that this isn't really logical argument especially if you put things on YT. However I also experienced : “This is so obvious, that I cannot even articulate why it is true” - moment. It sometimes occurs paradoxically when people try to argue things like : "Why do we need to be faithful in marriage ?" or other thing like that. You become so baffled by the sheer audacity of the question that you loose track of thought.

@anthill1510

2 ай бұрын

She literally made a whole video to explain it and pointed you to it. If you are interested in her reasoning you can watch this and find the proof you are asking for.

I think Contrapoints is the perfect example of being so open minded that your brain falls out.

@johannawigg6921

5 ай бұрын

🤭

@nedhill1242

5 ай бұрын

Nothing open minded about him at all.

@snapplegu6100

5 ай бұрын

Yes, but also he gave into his fetishism of women, definition of AGP.

@vinagerie427

5 ай бұрын

LOL Perfect.

@karmar22able

5 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

When the claim ‘sex is real’ is described as ‘ambiguous’ you know you’re not dealing with an honest interlocutor

@LisaBeta-42

4 ай бұрын

Well - if there is a word for it: someone has to be convinced that this "concept" needs to be expressed by some way of being able to talk about it. There are a lot of words for things we can neighter see nor touch directly: time, love, fairness, God, invisible pink fluffy unicorns, winter, luck... and other concepts that are totally bogus, but wildly accepted by "the public" like Father Christmas, the Tooth Fairy or racism... All these things EXIST (naming them is proof enough), but we need to talk about the impact, those concepts have on our lifes. In the Corona Crisis the speaker in the British Parliament spent 20 minutes to clarify the words he was going to use in his following speech - just to make sure being understood correctly. Everyone wisking such definitions away by stating "we don't really have to talk about this / it is quite obvious that / as every well-meaning person knows" is a lazy demagoge, who tries to force every other person onto the "baddy list" (and any form of inclusivity EXCLUDES bad people) - Everyone is afraid to be called a racist, a bigot or anything "-phobic", because it is associated with being BAD, narrowminded and destined to hell. How narrowminded is it, only to enter a conversation with the intention to CHANGE the other person's mind ? - this person was wrong in the beginning and if she shows no intention to change, I will not even attempt to speak to her. Nice: DO as you are told & shut up otherwise [that is NOT the definition of a conversation]. How can you reach any understanding of different viewpoints, if you stick fingers in your own ears and yell at all the other people (toddler's tantrum, I guess)? If you call out all the moderate people by excluding them from discourse, only the dangerously radical elemants prevail and THEY will pounce on you, while the indifferent majority will let it happen, because you yourselves had told them to "shut off"

@LexxysLifeDownUnder-kr8sb

4 ай бұрын

Well what does ‘sex it’s real’ mean to you? Does it mean the ACT of sex is real? Or that difference in sexual characteristics and attributes are real…? Or that the statement ‘there are only two sexes’ is real?

@innocentsmith6091

4 ай бұрын

​@@LexxysLifeDownUnder-kr8sbGamete production. Every other definition of sex stems from that.

@ruthcookeinthetradition

4 ай бұрын

That last sentence "If you call out all the moderate people...." is a great insight, thank you. @@LisaBeta-42

@benjaminstreet9160

4 ай бұрын

you sound like Gandalf when Bilbo says "good day".@@LexxysLifeDownUnder-kr8sb

7:44 the "It's too exhausting to argue because this is self-evident" isn't done out of helplessness. It's not an argument designed to convince the unconverted, but rather to consolidate those who already buy into the proposition. It's to assure your in-group that the logic is sound, and that they don't need to examine it further, thereby alleviating any cognitive dissonance they still may have.

@EuroMIX2

4 ай бұрын

This is why I've begun to tire of people who use the term "common sense", because I've seen people abuse it in a way to ignore evidence the opponent is providing and basically negate the burden of proof on their part i.e. "It's common sense, thus I don't have to support it beyond saying that, and if you argue against it, then you look like an idiot for arguing against "common sense", thus I win".

@CrzyLion

2 ай бұрын

its a literal cult tactic "oh you dont think blue men will come out of the sky to save us... if you still dont believe that by now then maybe we should just excommunicate you from the cult as it means your heart just isnt in the right place and youre not paying attention during lectures."

I've known of and heard about Contrapoints, yet never have watched any of her content until now. She's a perfect example of someone who, just because they're eloquent, verbose (after she scrutinizes verbosity herself), and speaks with strong confidence, thinks it makes them correct. She's literally dismissing constructive and thought-provoking discussion- that in itself is social and intellectual poison. It's amazing how many people fall for bullshit simply because it's coming from the mouth of a smart-sounding person. Great video, dude. I'm really enjoying your content!

@janebennetto5655

5 ай бұрын

It’s a man. 🇬🇧

@oliviajk12

5 ай бұрын

I think the emotional argument that the KZreadr Contrapoints bases these critiques of JK Rowling on is accurately picked up on by Warren here. Maaaaaybe Warren doesn’t know that ContraPoints is a male who identifies as a female, and wishes to be seen as a female. This is why someone like JK must be silenced, and why CP makes irrational arguments to combat the objective truth. We don’t tell women men are not a threat to them and expect women to believe that is reasonable and rational. However, when the man grows out his hair, calls himself Natalie, gets highlights, and performs femininity on camera in a controlled environment, we are suddenly expected to pretend this individual has transcended reality. As a cubicle mate at work, it’s not a problem. In the toilets at work, it can be violating, and this is what Rowling was 100% reacting to: The Shark that was jumped.

@glaeli1184

5 ай бұрын

Got the same impression, who the hell watches this person say absolutely nothing for 15 minutes? You can tell the professor is thinking the same, there’s literally zero meaningful info in that video regarding the actual topic that should be the center of discussion (whether JKR is transphobic or not).

@KBBrown-pu3ec

5 ай бұрын

That's a brilliant summation of the current education system, a veritable army of smart-sounding people with nothing to say: albeit with a terrifying power to destroy lives, institutions, indeed society, should anyone question the agenda which created their programming.

@manbearpig7521

5 ай бұрын

He is a he.

Asking for evidence is a "trap". Wow you can't make this stuff up.

@nothanks3236

5 ай бұрын

I mean from her perspective it is a trap. She knows none of the legitimate evidence backs up her positions. That's why she argues from emotions. "You're a meany who hurt my feelings, therefore your evidence is illegitimate and your arguments are not worth rebutting. I win."

@damgful

5 ай бұрын

She is assuming everyone she argues against is an online troll trying to bait her. It's stupid but if you see things through that lens it starts making more sense. Then again, these people tend to generalize anyone who disagrees with them by putting them all in the same category. I'd arguing they are more bigoted than the alleged bigots they talk about.

@Quotheraving

5 ай бұрын

@@nothanks3236 Or "Well every 'good' person knows it's true so evidence isn't needed and asking for evidence means you are a 'bad' person trying to confuse and mislead people".

@gianni_schicchi

5 ай бұрын

@@damgfulthey assume everyone else is doing the thing they’re doing, being intellectually dishonest/ lazy / disingenuous

@impossibleagent3663

5 ай бұрын

This is actually quite a harmful retoric contrapoints is arguing. To stop asking for evidence and just condemn is a really bad thing to do. He knows this.

"When arguments cannot withstand logical scrutiny, the first tactic is to neutralize the conversation from happening". Thank you for these wise words and your clarity.

@michaelwills1926

4 ай бұрын

I literally read your comment as he was speaking it

@joshuamaxson4038

4 ай бұрын

This statement stuck out to me as well! This is why Ad Hominem attacks are used so often nowadays. It requires no thinking. Just simply call someone "name X (bigot, etc...)" and the argument goes away. Their tribal integrity remains intact and nothing is learned. It's sad to see.

@himwhoisnottobenamed5427

4 ай бұрын

Which is what people like Contrapoints do. Anything that isn’t in line with their opinions is labeled as “transphobic.” With no explanation for how.

@Smoug

4 ай бұрын

she has a long ass video of how@@himwhoisnottobenamed5427

@TikoVerhelst

3 ай бұрын

@@himwhoisnottobenamed5427 If you're against the existence of trans people, you're transphobic. The term is used a bit more broadly nowadays. Nowadays it means that if you think trans people shouldn't live as trans people, unless it's absolutely necessary, you're transphobic. When people call you a transphobe, that's what they mean. They don't mean "anything that isn’t in line with their opinions" unless your opinion is that trans people shouldn't go through live as trans people, unless it's absolutely necessary. It's as simple as that. If you don't wanna be a transphobe, don't have that opinion. It's like being offended people call you a christian when you say "I believe in God". Of course there are crazy Twitter people who will call you a transphobe for no reason. These people would call you a christian for participating in Easter, but Contrapoints is not part of that category. And Contrapoints has condemned those people. Of course you wanna think critically and not treat everything the same, right? At least I hope so.... And then, some people say "I don't wanna talk to transphobes". Just like we all hate that uncle who "wants to talk politics". Not everyone loves debating all the time. That's the whole idea of a "safe space". You can argue safe spaces shouldn't exist, but forcing someone to debate you all the time is just a dick move. So people created safe space to know there they can just relax and do not have to debat. Again, we all hate the uncle who wants to "talk politics" at your cousin's birthday.

We can't say "sex is real"... interesting times we live in

@nini_42

4 ай бұрын

that’s one way to describe it 😢

@HO1ySh33t

Ай бұрын

we should start saying "dimorphism is real" instead lol

So, that person thinks questioning is dangerous even though their own questioning of societal norms was exactly how they pushed their beliefs into mainstream narratives?

@nrudy

4 ай бұрын

Look, the anti-Enlightenment crowd is nothing if not ignorant of the immense irony of their positions.

@katcankan7129

4 ай бұрын

Selling contradictions is fundamental to their claims. They cannot defend facts so this is all they have. With global Government backing their agenda is powerful. That said because "time is short" their giant leap approach is waking folks up which is a good thing 💜

@michaelwills1926

4 ай бұрын

Social engineering got us to where we are, none of this is the organic progression of societal norms. Thats the part I see in everything happening right now and ppl like her are the residue of about 70 years of slow boiling frogs

@mjbull5156

4 ай бұрын

Contrapoints dogma is the one True Belief and questioning it is dangerous and wrong, don't you know?

@CC3GROUNDZERO

4 ай бұрын

It's like when occupiers suddenly want "peace" because of course now that they're the occupiers, that's what serves their particular interests.

She is sort of admitting that her trans community wields tremendous power by saying that "bigots" deserve to be shamed and canceled in the same conversation about cancelling and shaming JK Rowling...a billionaire. And then she turns around and says she is marginalized. Marginalized people do not wield that kind of power, especially not when they make up such a small portion of a massive population.

@FireGlitch

5 ай бұрын

So basically he's taking notes from literal Nazism. I mean, when you think about it... There is a pattern and also a reason why certain buzzwords are overused. Because that would mean being likely to be called out. Edit: had to correct myself a bit

@chrisbfreelance

5 ай бұрын

It wasn't the witches in witch hunts that have power.

@musikgirl7

5 ай бұрын

@@chrisbfreelanceThere’s a few things I wanted to immediately respond with, suffice it to say the witches who were never on trial were likely the most powerful. Probably still are. Best to make sure if you’re accusing anyone of anything, there’s some form of proof, otherwise we haven’t left Salem at all.

@gaelledr2213

5 ай бұрын

He. He. He. He can put womanface on all day long, but his core is XY.

@panzer00

5 ай бұрын

Dog whistlers. Remember when they called a ton of stuff "dog whistles" for white supremacists? Pervert a term that is universally deemed as bad and call someone that term in order to signal to their cult followers to attack. They're also usin the very tactics the groups they claim to be against used - anti-racists are racist, antifa are fascists, per their own definition; the entire woke hivemind is authoritarian in its very nature.

The whole trans argument is a straw man out of the gate: to disagree with someone does not make you 'phobic' of someone. But call them phobic and then you underrmine their argument with ad hominem: this person is a 'phobe' and therefore their argument is unsound.

@plintdillion286

3 күн бұрын

They first cast you as a sinner through name calling. Bigot, some sort of phobe, aggressor of some sort, from there it's free reign for their pervert mental and physical abuse on you. I am not intelligent enough to find an answer to this psychological abuse but it always starts with a claim that you are bad.

Contra’s original video on JK was very helpful to their cause, as every time I’d ask for an example of JK’s views I’d get linked to that video. When I’d say “Well just tell me one thing from the video” they couldn’t do it. I spent most of my life in San Francisco; one of the most important people who positively impacted my life is trans; I briefly dated a trans person and am fully supportive of the rights of trans folks. And these people have magically transformed me into a transphobe because I believe in biology and don’t like dealing with pronouns that go against how a person presents or are grammatically incomprehensible. It’s a weird thing to create your own enemies from your supporters.

@melitajay

4 ай бұрын

That last line hits hard damn

@Smoug

4 ай бұрын

no one in the trans community is saying that sex isn't real :p Any trans people knows how biology works... pretty sure any trans woman born male are very aware that they have a male body with XY chromosomes... so yes, "sex is real", no one in the trans community is saying that biological sex isn't real, so her saying that, phrasing it like that, is kinda off topic since we're not talking about sex but GENDER, which is a social construct from the brain. It is scientifically proven that gender issues, and gender dysphoria in the case of trans people, are a thing and very much not a disorder, it's part of your identity just like your romantic/sexual orientation. I can only point you to that short extract from a Stanford neuro biology teacher, someone who's actually qualified in the field speak on this.: kzread.info/dash/bejne/aoWHxdJ9d9Tdo7Q.html&t= Refusing their existence or legitimacy is the base of transphobia, if you're triggered by the fact that they need some special accomodations so that they can live as comfortably as any other person, then yes you obviously have a problem with this group of people and just like racist people have issues with different races, you're having issues with people who have gender dysphoria because you don't understand their struggles. Many people had the same concerns about the handicapped needing special accomodations for a long time, but I'm pretty sure anyone would understand now how it's hateful, dumb and insensitive to think like that, well it's the same for the trans community. They deserve the same rights as anyone else, they also deserve to be protected against the discrimination they're facing (mostly because of personalities like JK who dismisses them publically and thus result in their fans following their mindset). Also this idea that helping trans women will somehow endangered women is quite false... It's quite easy to paint a certain portrait when you're using one extreme case out of thousands happily transitionned people who never hurt anyone in their life and are living their life without bothering anyone. If there's one rapist who happens to be trans (doesn't even mean the person really has gender dysphoria so for all we know they are just straight people using the system for their evil deeds) and that people suddenly make a generality over it it's forcefully bad. Just look at the data, there's crazy people in every communities even this one, doesn't mean it's representative, same for the crazy activists of twitter, they're not representative of what trans people are like, they're just the loud minority that exists in every group. If you make a generality over those then you're bigoted, it's pretty simple... Also most feminist groups do include trans women in their fight without issues, only Terfs are actively fighting against trans people using feminism as an excuse... Rowling is surrounded by anti trans activists on her pictures and the way she talks about it shows that she's misguided, like most people who don't understand the subject. If you're curious on the subject I strongly recommend you watch this : kzread.info/dash/bejne/gamT2tiReq3RZ84.html&t=

@thomaslacroix6011

Ай бұрын

​​@@JonathanJimbo This is kind of late, but I'd like to tell you something: Queer activists will never be your friends. They strive for the subversion of normality, they don't want gay or trans to become ordinary people. Differentiating activists that want to integrate society and those who want to subvert society isn't easy, but look for what are the consequences they're proud of.

@TikoVerhelst

26 күн бұрын

You have watched "Canceling" right? People just look at on video of Contra and decide they full know the woman I guess. "The enemy of the enemy is my friend" and when people keep using "sex is real" as an ARGUMENT to BE TRANSPHOBIC. You out of all people should know that is bad. It's "love the sinner hate the sin" all over again. In ONE video Contra agrees with the violent Twitter mob, but in other videos, she has criticized the Twitter mob. Maybe don't base your view of someone on ONE video. Kinda feels..... idk..... like something the Twitter mob would do!

@thomaslacroix6011

25 күн бұрын

@@TikoVerhelst Short version : she doesn't actually understand what the spirit animating canceling culture is, so she's feeding it while decrying the fact it exists. We're talking about the same woman who said "I'm not a fascist is what a fascist would say". Intellectual consistency is superficial for her.

I love how she says that debating is not a good way to prove your point, but it’s exactly what she’s doing. My bells always go off when someone uses the word ‘obviously’, and subsequently gaslights everyone in the conversation that agrees with her as morally superior and anyone who disagrees is a Nazi, a bigot and trans phobic. She gives no room for a complete conversation and technically is verbally bullying everyone.

@jonashormann5700

5 ай бұрын

I never considered the word "obvious" to be a word of gaslighting, but it makes sense now that you pointed it out. It unconsciously seems to eliminate giving it any thought in the first place.

@vln987

5 ай бұрын

He... that is a man in a dress.

@ocdmusic

5 ай бұрын

HE

@VesnaVK

5 ай бұрын

Natalie is NOT debating. Natalie is lecturing.

@penneyburgess5431

5 ай бұрын

@@VesnaVK Yeah, you’re right, but lecturing is a technique in debating.

I am so relieved to see intellects like Warren stand up to these Narcissists.

@windygirl2342

5 ай бұрын

Good point. Are all trans narcissists? I think they are.

@nettietrees7238

5 ай бұрын

There are few studies that shows that majority of males with a trans identity have co-morbid personality disorders - largest % is narcissism. @@windygirl2342

@saiashrafian6242

5 ай бұрын

You must have realised by now that this is a character in a short film the guy is making?

@anthonybrett

5 ай бұрын

@@windygirl2342 I think it's dangerous to use "all" in a statement regarding groups. But I don't doubt that the internet has helped narcissists rise to the top of social media, as pointed out by Haidt and Peterson.

@KillerKlipsch

5 ай бұрын

No, not all trans are Narcissists, some actually have body dysmorphic disorder. The other "Trans" are most likely vying for attention by pretending to be another gender to garner sympathy and will spit hate at anyone who calls them out for their woke ideology. Yes, most trans people are Narcissists, but not all. @@windygirl2342

I have a friend who is semi-woke, a fan of Contrapoint, part of the LGBT community and does know a lot about the trans community. (I dislike the term "woke" as it means different things to different people, but I suspect in this comment section you all know what I mean.) The good thing is that I can argue with him to some degree without the discussion derailing. I asked him about his view on JK Rowling and if/how she is supposed to be transphobic. His view was that she "obviously" is. When we talked about the same quote that Warren dissected in the video that started this, my friend said that the quote is a "dog whistle". (From Wikipedia: "Dog whistles use language that appears normal to the majority but communicates specific things to intended audiences.") He said, there is nothing offensive in her tweets and that apparently that's her perfidious plan to seem innocent, say nothing that can be proven to be problematic, while at the same time signalling to everyone "in the know" to attack the trans community. In essence, he was saying that she didn't say anything problematic on the surface, but that she meant something completely different to what she wrote. And although there is no proof for that, he "just knows" that to be true and "obvious". I don't understand at all how anyone can think that way. Hypothetically I can understand why someone might theorise that her public words could be a dog whistle. But I would then go looking for proof and only believe it if I found it.

@simex909

4 ай бұрын

Yes that's a huge problem that people aren't giving enough attention to. A large number of people are operating on a "that's exactly what a witch would say!" level of reasoning, coupled with the conviction that they can usher in utopia through punishing transgressions for which they need no proof but intuition. What would happen in Salem if they social media, electronic banking, and dragnet surveillance? We're gonna find out. Yay!

@Mahtijanis

4 ай бұрын

You should remind your friend who instantly knew what the true meaning of those tweets was that only a dog can hear a dog whistle...

@robertbiel6096

4 ай бұрын

"In essence, he was saying that she didn't say anything problematic on the surface, but that she meant something completely different to what she wrote. And although there is no proof for that, he "just knows" that to be true and "obvious"." In other words, don't believe what you see, don't believe what you hear, believe what we tell you.

@jacobodom8401

4 ай бұрын

This is very much bordering on “thought police”

@007arek

4 ай бұрын

She made a valid point. In many cases even in law, intention is important.

I might be living under a rock ( I'm not), but I've never heard of Contrapoints. And now I know why.

@neodigremo

4 ай бұрын

Contrapoints has a certain flair for presentation (and an ability to use their voice to sound reasonable in tone at least) that wins a lot of favours. However the dramatic flair completely overshadows any actual meaty content. I cannot recall any single particularly powerful argument made, just many assertions without any foundations beneath them.

@a_rat_named_mouse

9 күн бұрын

​@@neodigremo Not to mention that she very, VERY easily comes across as very pretentious and very self-obsessed. Sure, they use fancy words a lot, but little else. If you can cut through the silk costumes, the theatre kid aesthetics, and new-age quirky humor, you'll find it to be a very hollow, maybe even irritating, experience.

I lose a huge amount of respect for Contrapoints as a result of this video essay, also the Witch Trial podcast episode that she participated in. The end result is that she's defending the act of hate-mobbing a woman on the internet, because that woman is 'so bad that she deserves it'. J.K. Rowling and her *children* need police protection now because of the number of violent threats they've received. People showed up *at their homes*. I can't imagine how terrifying that is, and in no way should it ever be normalized or declared justifiable because 'they made a Twitter post I didn't like'.

@uncoiledfish2561

5 ай бұрын

You sat through the entire video. I skimmed through, felt like the whole thing could have been cut down to ten minutes.

@saiyamoru

5 ай бұрын

altogether both videos were something like three and a half hours of my life. i don't think anyone can say i didn't give her diatribes a fair chance to convince me. they didn't, but natalie is an eloquent speaker with slick production and great sets/costumes, so it's no surprise that the rest of her audience doesn't question her arguments at all - they come in very pretty packaging and apparently that's enough. @@uncoiledfish2561

@Heaz847

5 ай бұрын

It's called stochastic terrorism. Demonising someone publically to the point that people attack them

@devilkitty6725

5 ай бұрын

He. Contrapoints is a man. Hold the line.

@quantummechanic9670

5 ай бұрын

He's a he

The irony of a person presenting themselves as the opposite sex and claiming that asking for evidence is a "trap".

@impossibleagent3663

5 ай бұрын

Good point. Maybe that’s the crux of it.

@bluenorth3965

5 ай бұрын

I see what you did there.

@heythere9371

5 ай бұрын

Going straight for the slurs huh?

@nettietrees7238

5 ай бұрын

What slur was in this response?@@heythere9371

@roaroa5291

5 ай бұрын

​@@heythere9371 What in your opinion is a slur in the OP?

The context of that trans activists are death eater comment is important here, just before the audio clip we hear she is talking about people stalking, harassing, and threatening her. She compares THOSE activists who use terror to try to silence her to death eaters. I used to blindly hate Rowling but digging into that exact piece of context made me realize how aggressively the media was spinning anything she says into absurdity.

They're only against debate "on the bigots terms" because objective reality doesn't support their arguments and ideology, and the "bigots" arguments are supported by objective reality. You're only not a bigot if you don't hold a strong oppositional opinion and instead conform to their perspective, which is only supported by subjective experience and baseless ideology. A debate requires two sides, Countrapoint wants the other side silenced and destroyed. He wasn't debating, he's a holy priest preaching his religion/ideology and demonising any opposition. Tyrants like these would have us caged or deleted if they had the authority.

@sianais

4 ай бұрын

All to the rapturous cheers of their devoted flock.

@Smoug

4 ай бұрын

no one in the trans community is saying that sex isn't real :p Any trans people knows how biology works... pretty sure any trans woman born male are very aware that they have a male body with XY chromosomes... so yes, "sex is real", no one in the trans community is saying that biological sex isn't real, so her saying that, phrasing it like that, is kinda off topic since we're not talking about sex but GENDER, which is a social construct from the brain. It is scientifically proven that gender issues, and gender dysphoria in the case of trans people, are a thing and very much not a disorder, it's part of your identity just like your romantic/sexual orientation. I can only point you to that short extract from a Stanford neuro biology teacher, someone who's actually qualified in the field speak on this.: kzread.info/dash/bejne/aoWHxdJ9d9Tdo7Q.html&t= Refusing their existence or legitimacy is the base of transphobia, if you're triggered by the fact that they need some special accomodations so that they can live as comfortably as any other person, then yes you obviously have a problem with this group of people and just like racist people have issues with different races, you're having issues with people who have gender dysphoria because you don't understand their struggles. Many people had the same concerns about the handicapped needing special accomodations for a long time, but I'm pretty sure anyone would understand now how it's hateful, dumb and insensitive to think like that, well it's the same for the trans community. They deserve the same rights as anyone else, they also deserve to be protected against the discrimination they're facing (mostly because of personalities like JK who dismisses them publically and thus result in their fans following their mindset). Also this idea that helping trans women will somehow endangered women is quite false... It's quite easy to paint a certain portrait when you're using one extreme case out of thousands happily transitionned people who never hurt anyone in their life and are living their life without bothering anyone. If there's one rapist who happens to be trans (doesn't even mean the person really has gender dysphoria so for all we know they are just straight people using the system for their evil deeds) and that people suddenly make a generality over it it's forcefully bad. Just look at the data, there's crazy people in every communities even this one, doesn't mean it's representative, same for the crazy activists of twitter, they're not representative of what trans people are like, they're just the loud minority that exists in every group. If you make a generality over those then you're bigoted, it's pretty simple... Also most feminist groups do include trans women in their fight without issues, only Terfs are actively fighting against trans people using feminism as an excuse... Rowling is surrounded by anti trans activists on her pictures and the way she talks about it shows that she's misguided, like most people who don't understand the subject. If you're curious on the subject I strongly recommend you watch this : kzread.info/dash/bejne/gamT2tiReq3RZ84.html&t=

When you immediately label someone who disagrees with you a bigot, it’s shows that person’s prejudice and willingness to have a good faith discussion.

@teamtundra2619

5 ай бұрын

No

@victorvolobuev507

5 ай бұрын

Also, throwing a tantrum and trash talk is all that’s left when you find that you cannot win using facts, logic and reason, but you still think your opinion still has merit and is the correct and good one. But name calling and trash talk basically means, when I point the finger at someone, the thumb points up and three point back at me. “As i heard someone say it means Heaven is witness, i am thrice that, of what i accuse you of.”

@this_epic_name

4 ай бұрын

By her own logic, her stance on trans people in sports being open for debate would justify trans activists labeling her a bigot and transphobe. She essentially said "the issues **I** think are debatable are ok and do not make me a bigot, but issues **other people** think are open to debate are, in fact, not, and them thinking so makes them bigots."

@jonwalter6317

4 ай бұрын

By essentially labeling those who disagree with her as bigots, and saying she will debate with anyone who's not a bigot, she's saying "I'm willing to debate anyone that agrees with me." That's a powerful debater.

@victorvolobuev507

4 ай бұрын

@@this_epic_name cant believe you took the time to listen to her spiel that far… to much dramatizations and distractions and clips tossed in. I was like get to the point already. But true, even the the beginning she said there is no use debating unless you know you can win by a landslide. And i will add that reason, logic and common sense or not on their side, so they must resort to name calling, gas lighting, redefining words and any other sort of lie or manipulation they think they can get away with

"I am not going to argue any more about whether J. K. Rowling is transphobic..." is an interesting statement in a video where no argument on that point has been offered.

@bluenorth3965

5 ай бұрын

Exactly. It's all "but I know she is transphobic because she *clearly* means whatever I interpret her words to mean, other than their actual objective meaning, you just gotta trust me you guys... if you don't, you're clearly transphobic yourselves"

@simonebernacchia5724

4 ай бұрын

@@bluenorth3965 Is so circular that we could actually make it run for free electricity generation

@WiggyWamWam

4 ай бұрын

JK *is* transphobic. There is no definition of transphobic that she does not fit. Lmao, you guys have no critical thinking skills, or at least you sure don’t point them inward.

@andyjmorley

4 ай бұрын

She only says that because she had already put out a 90 minute video about it. So she already had argued that point, which i's why she said she wasn't going to go over it again. The fact that this channel then clipped that and responded to it disingenuously with a nit-pick about the naming of a section of the video, without recognising that that section name was warranted by what came afterwards (a bit they didn't acknowledge) suggests to me that Warren is either being deliberately misleading with editing/ paraphrasing and straw-manning, or he hasn't done enough background research - he didn't watch the original 90 min video, seemingly only this follow up, and probably didn't look at the arguments and evidence put forth by other critics such as Shaun in his video about JK's online and offline political actions. (Check out his video on "JK Rowling's new friends" i.e. her political associations and those she's seeking to boost)

@kateamanak

4 ай бұрын

Warren takes things for what they are from an objective standpoint. If ContraPoints was too verbose and conniving to present their arguments in 2h, well, he knows better than to waste 3.5h of his life. ContraPoint's argument could have fit into a paragraph.@@andyjmorley

The ironic thing is that many would label contrapoints as a bigot for being open to a discussion about trans being excluded from some sports. Contrapoints is picking and choosing what counts as a bigot.

@Azraiel213

4 ай бұрын

Well, not *that* many people think that Contra's a bigot, or at least not for that for that reason, anyway. Normal people don't support men in women's sports at all, so Contra is off the hook for that *particular* charge of bigotry.

This level of deconstruction of argument, as opposed to commentary (which is still good but a bit oversaturated) is so sorely needed on KZread

JK only started focusing on the prison system after several cases of men with no history of being trans, suddenly, upon being caught, decided they are women and fought the legal system with the full funding and support of lgbtq advocacy groups, to ultimately win and be jailed in the female wards. You would expect any group, be it religious or social to call out the bad apples but apparently there are no bad apples once you cross the border into alphabet land.

@amandavieira2543

4 ай бұрын

Several? How many exactly? Is there statistics?

@lukezeiolf6977

4 ай бұрын

@@amandavieira2543why does it matter how many? I think one person exploiting the system just to endanger others is enough. Thankfully, Marxist subversion is going to lose this battle. Civilians don’t really care about convicts.

@mx_moi1964

4 ай бұрын

@@amandavieira2543even if it’s just one mamas. The issue is using criminal men using gender identity to get into the cells with women, who will be vulnerable to their attacks.

@alexbennet4195

4 ай бұрын

⁠@@amandavieira2543idk about rаріst mаles who petitioned to be placed in women’s prisons with the backing of “LGB”T activist groups, I just know of some cаses of rаріst males who were immediately placed in women’s prisons, without any discussion or debate, upon “self-idеntifуіng” as women (like Isla Bryson and Karen White eg). Which is even more extreme?

@davejacob5208

4 ай бұрын

then why does noone expect anyone to constantly speak out against ALL rapes that happen in prison? (not only in male-only but also in female-only prisons)

Warren, if you're ever wondering why kids in your class of a certain uh predilection seem to fail to grasp very basic concepts like objectivity or the socratic method, it's because they watch people like this.

@mgntstr

5 ай бұрын

imagine a society with this Correct Think that Contrapoints is teaching. I think we have a couple of examples from history to draw from?

@melvind8381

5 ай бұрын

Which class? Where does he teach?

@simex909

4 ай бұрын

@@mgntstr salem witch trials. "We have no proof that they're a witch, but it's obviously true to any good christian. They said they were not a witch, and we as good people know that's exactly what a witch would say."

@mgntstr

4 ай бұрын

@@simex909 Libya. 2010-Ongoing "You there fine looking woman, I am a good muslim and I claim you for my sex-slave harem." And the good people stood by agreeing yes he is a good muslim man and deserves to take any unbeliever he wants for a slave.

@slacktoryrecords4193

4 ай бұрын

@@melvind8381He teaches high schoolers.

He is profoundly disturbing. It's that feeling in the back of your skull you get from deep time... a gift from your ancestors that warns you. He makes me think of this line from Tolkien. 'There are locked doors and closed windows in your mind, and dark rooms behind them,' said Faramir."

@frdsg8350

4 ай бұрын

Yep I know exactly what you mean

@user-wu6vm2xn3s

4 ай бұрын

Not a fan but I dont see it. I only see pretentious self righteous male (we are talking about '' contrepoints '')

@TheodenBreathes

3 ай бұрын

Thank you for using the accurate pronouns for the creepy man cosplaying as a creepy woman. Too many people in this comment section are calling him a she. And that quote is fantastic.

@anna-sophialeone7673

2 ай бұрын

The only disturbing thing is the utter lack of logic by the person's argument he's challenging

Also it's hilarious that Contra says "if you believe in transphobia then you can see that obviously she is" referring to JK Rowling. This is literally religious dogma, "if you believe in the Bible, obviously Ozzy Osborne is a sinner." It's honestly complete insanity at this point.. 😂

JK Rowling has nuanced position on trans and it's impact on the women's rights. Rights she is passionate about as a survivor of domestic violence. She holds most of the same values on every other lines and is nowhere near a bigot. They should hold her as a role model as a single mother who made billions and practically demoted herself to millionaire with her charity work.

@stingingcake853

4 ай бұрын

I still think it's crazy they found a woman who survived domestic abuse who selfadmitedly is focused on women's issues relating to safety, claimed her as the devil and then sent violent threats to her. If she did hate trans people (which I don't think she does, as she's said she doesn't) the crazy activists would be proving her right. I'm pretty neutral to her, (I like Harry Potter, but it didn't change my life, and I thought her "these characters are actually gay/jewish/black and I just never mentioned it" was a little silly), but I have always found her gumption to make it as a creative and commitment to charity admirable.

@WiggyWamWam

4 ай бұрын

Her position isn’t really nuanced at all 😅 are you sure you know what that word means?

@fortynine3225

2 ай бұрын

@@WiggyWamWam Tactivist i guess?? Do you even know how dumb you claim is.

The word salad of a toxic narcissist 👌🏻

@WiggyWamWam

4 ай бұрын

Let’s not diagnose people over the internet, dear

@jellybean6582

4 ай бұрын

@@WiggyWamWam you must have spent considerable hours in the company of JK to arrive at your diagnosis of transphobic, I think you said "there is no definition of transphobic that she does not fit"

@Smoug

4 ай бұрын

@@jellybean6582 Refusing their existence or legitimacy is the base of transphobia, if you're triggered by the fact that they need some special accomodations so that they can live as comfortably as any other person, then yes you obviously have a problem with this group of people and just like racist people have issues with different races, you're having issues with people who have gender dysphoria because you don't understand their struggles. Many people had the same concerns about the handicapped needing special accomodations for a long time, but I'm pretty sure anyone would understand now how it's hateful, dumb and insensitive to think like that, well it's the same for the trans community. They deserve the same rights as anyone else, they also deserve to be protected against the discrimination they're facing (mostly because of personalities like JK who dismisses them publically and thus result in their fans following their mindset). Also this idea that helping trans women will somehow endangered women is quite false... It's quite easy to paint a certain portrait when you're using one extreme case out of thousands happily transitionned people who never hurt anyone in their life and are living their life without bothering anyone. If there's one rapist who happens to be trans (doesn't even mean the person really has gender dysphoria so for all we know they are just straight people using the system for their evil deeds) and that people suddenly make a generality over it it's forcefully bad. Just look at the data, there's crazy people in every communities even this one, doesn't mean it's representative, same for the crazy activists of twitter, they're not representative of what trans people are like, they're just the loud minority that exists in every group. If you make a generality over those then you're bigoted, it's pretty simple... Also most feminist groups do include trans women in their fight without issues, only Terfs are actively fighting against trans people using feminism as an excuse... Rowling is surrounded by anti trans activists on her pictures and the way she talks about it shows that she's misguided, like most people who don't understand the subject. If you're curious on the subject I strongly recommend you watch this : kzread.info/dash/bejne/gamT2tiReq3RZ84.html&t=

@litteliten4999

2 ай бұрын

🎯

@davidmays8974

2 ай бұрын

You don't know what the word narcissist means. At this point, it just means "this person I don't like is bad."

Just letting you know I am a genuine subscriber.I think your contrapoints video is valuable and should not be taken down.

Huge respect for what you're doing. It's very frustrating trying to argue with someone whose thought process is: if you respect trans people's right to exist and be as they are, but disagree with the extreme and radical elements of the movement, then you are a transphobic bigot. It's incredibly refreshing to see proper, academic, thoughtful, open and critical thinking on KZread. I can't even imagine what it must be like to be a university prof these days. I graduated in 2013 right before this stuff took hold.

@bunille

4 ай бұрын

That's the point, though. For a trans person to be able to have these open thoughts, we'd have no trans people. They need their own echochamber of hating each other's biological bodies and ego stroking anything that's against that. If you teach a trans person that sex is real, the damage is real, and that they should love their natural body, people go one of two ways: 1. detransition/feel comfortable in their original body, or 2. narcisstically scream and harass and demonise you in a constant attempt to stop showing people the truth. They're so far in the cult that they're cult organisers, people whose sole purpose is to promote people into the cult and make sure they don't leave. It's no wonder they hate detransitioners and villify them so much, or go on to gaslight them and move the focus back towards themselves with their lies, deception, and warped stats to push their agenda (which if you looked into any, you'd either realise they're lies, not actually stats by the scientific term/short-term and feeling-based, or actually prove against transgenderism such as the 40% being similarly consistent in every stage of hating your natural body... colour me surprised). These people don't care about them, they only care about how many people they can make hate themselves. *That's, quite literally, a humongous early stage of cultist tactics: make the person so self-defeating that they're vulnerable to exploitation. They're the people who literally make you hate your body, then give you this "miracle" which will make you love the costume they want you to have... the people to stab you in the foot and then amputate your foot to stop the pain... that kind of stupid nonsense Stockholm Syndrome*, but that glorious delusion wears off very early down the line and the only thing they have left is a toxic coping mechanism of continuously having to hate your original body and constantly justify the surgeries and hormones you did, over and over again to yourself to fix your constant low self-esteem. Their self-esteem, if you know what it actually is (a grandiose narcissist also has it low, for example), never once goes up. Nevermind the early access to porn majority of these people have which desensitises them to how precious our unique bodies really are.

"Those people are clearly bad, and we don't need to reason with them." Sounds like something Hitler would say.

@LalaDepala_00

5 ай бұрын

As a Dutch-German I would LOVE to have a talk with leftists like Contrapoints and explain to them that they are copying a lot of N*zi tactics. Unfortunately she most likely lives in an echo chamber and will never reach the truth.

@FireGlitch

5 ай бұрын

When you think about it... There's a reason why the word "Nazi" is overused. Because the potential Nazis themselves don't want to get called out.

@backintimealwyn5736

5 ай бұрын

it's totalitarian mindset , exactly what JKR described in Harry Potter. It does'nt matter the ideology, right , left, religious , secular , western , eastern ... it's a universal human scheme and relies on the same human heuristics like magical thinking.

@damgful

5 ай бұрын

​@@LalaDepala_00You see, there are no good/bad actions, only good/bad people. Very likely, the response you'd get...

@user-rw5ot1sb3g

5 ай бұрын

It’s called projection.

These woke clowns just obfuscate everything to the point where you can't argue with them anymore. They're so deeply lost, its impossible to bring them back to any sort of logic or reason.

@silasbishop3055

5 ай бұрын

That is why there is no point. You can't negotiate or debate. They are brainwashed drones. They don't think, they feel.

@Lillireify

5 ай бұрын

Who can blame them? If you apply logic to their arguments they fall apart!

@billfeilds3286

5 ай бұрын

Anything worthwhile doing in life is not easy. The idea that it is impossible lacks the depth of understanding that these people are not complete robot clones of each other. Vast majority of the human race can be reasoned with or, at the very least, bargained with. Relax. The conversations that are happening now will result in a better world when ideas are faced with a cool and calm demeanour.

@nothanks3236

5 ай бұрын

They use logic. Circular logic, but they do use it...

@backintimealwyn5736

5 ай бұрын

and this will be their downfall, they thought for a moment that they would succeed in silencing people through fear and threat. But people did'nt shut up, first the bravest , P.parkier/ JKR/ Forstater/ Murphy, who went through all that vitriol, then less brave people Matt Walsh who shut u for a long time and have had enough, now it's more and more random people, when that happens if you still refuse to debate and still rely on fear (which is what contrapoint relies on with the shaming and name calling and not arguing), you lost.

In my opinion, shaming a "bigot" because they disagree with you, automatically makes you a bigot 🤷🏽‍♂️

@blackswan1983

4 ай бұрын

Exactly!

@Azraiel213

4 ай бұрын

I mean, that's pretty much the archetypical example of projection.

@TikoVerhelst

26 күн бұрын

God, shaming someone for their opinion is not the same as shaming someone for who they are. Or are civil right protestors just as much racists as the white people their protesting against? God, I bloody swear, the critically thinking on this channel is completely gone. Critical thinking here really just means "boiling everyone who disagrees with me down to a gotcha". I feel like I'm talking to christians in this comment section! "shaming a "bigot" because they disagree with you, automatically makes you a bigot" Yeah, just like forcing christians to accept mixed race schools is "anti-religion".........

I can already tell she thinks highly of herself and her own opinions thanks to how she presents herself visually.

I think what you're doing is amazing. You're really the first one I've seen diving into the constructions of arguments and identifying the logical inconsistencies. I think the issue with a the average person today is they don't understand nuances and how subtle things can form completely irrational thoughts and arguments, your patience also lends a hand to you being able to reach a lot of people, I hope you get big enough to be able to make more people think critically and don't just say things without understanding them

@chrisbfreelance

5 ай бұрын

Check out King Critical, he has done deconstructions of these amateur dramatists.

@megankwisdom

4 ай бұрын

Definitely not the first. MANY women have been doing this for years but no one seems to have noticed 😅

@147salsa

4 ай бұрын

​@@megankwisdom true but I do think his methodology is unique and is obviously hitting well with people! Who are your favorite as I'm always down for more argument deconstruction videos!

People are gonna call names. When people called you a dork, a nerd, a geek (back before the latter two were cool), you had to let it roll off your back. Transphobia is the latest greatest meaningless label. Yeah, I reject their arbitrary rules and claims. Am I supposed to be ashamed of myself, ‘cause I’m not. I have fully-rationalized reasons for why I believe what I believe, so having a TRA tell me I’m transgressive means no more to me than if a Westboro Baptist called me a god-hater. Means nothing to me.

@lennartmathiassen

5 ай бұрын

so, do you like still get pantsed every single day or something? this is incredibly weird

@bluenorth3965

5 ай бұрын

Honestly, same. If caring for women's rights is trnsphobic, then I'm a raging trnsphobe. :D

@lennartmathiassen

5 ай бұрын

@@bluenorth3965they wrote a long ass comment about being a dumb 12 year old can't we all just make fun of the guy together?❤️

@bluenorth3965

5 ай бұрын

@@lennartmathiassen I'm sorry, I don't know what you're talking about.

@lennartmathiassen

5 ай бұрын

@@bluenorth3965 tbh me neither I just got a notif about your comment so I guess mine got deleted or smth but at least we can all agree that the video "teacher" guy is a 12yo loser stuck in the body of a 40yo

Warren, I'm concerned that you seem weary and exhausted in this video. Take care of yourself. Get some sleep. Eat well. Exercise. Unwind with a friend. And thanks for your truly great public service in these videos.

It's a thought that's akin to religious fundamentalism. "Stop using excuses and just say that you go against our dogma!" Behind this appeal for honesty is their desire for a "confession" that you're a "sinner", and then throw you out to be destroyed by followers blinded by faith.

I was in a criminal trial once where the prosecutor drew the jury’s attention to the suspicious “lack of evidence”, saying the accused was the kind of criminal who makes sure he leaves no clues. The lack of evidence was damning and Michael was found guilty in the conspiracy. Similar technique here.

@Chikushou123

2 ай бұрын

From anyone else I'd call this a made up story, but wow it really is you. Repsect.

One of things I get annoyed with is “arguing about human rights.” No we’re not arguing should trans people exist and have human rights. We’re arguing should we allow trans people’s care and say overpower everyone else, especially groups such as women that are already struggling. Should we allow a person who SAYS they’re trans to just go into a woman’s bathroom. Since TRAs believe you don’t need GD to be trans and your feelings are the only one that matters, you believe that any person shouldn’t be questioned. Should we allow kids to medically transition and alter their bodies just because they SAY they’re trans? Do you not see how dangerous that is? Last, some of these “rights” are NOT rights. They’re WANTS. You’re not being denied human rights. You deserve human rights, but you don’t deserve to overpower everyone else.

@bluenorth3965

5 ай бұрын

THANK. YOU.

@Smoczur777

5 ай бұрын

YES! For quite a while now I've thought that I'm loosing my mind. Few years ago I've asked a question somewhere on facebook (which I no longer have, so I can't quote myself), about queer people in general. I argued that I'm not sure I follow the rethoric of demand in many areas of life and can't grasp why sexuality needs to be an identity in modern society. Needless to say, I got attacked by one gay guy - he called me a biggot, told me to stfu and when I asked why he has this strong reaction to my question he said "I won't discuss with anyone whether I diserve human rights, because of my most important, sublime lifelong desires, that you expect me to hide from the world". I was young and naive and this left me questioning myself for months. I got scared that I'm just a bad person for not understanding and I've basically gaslit myself for years to come that it is my absolute obligation and duty to empathize with every member of any minority in existance, because otherwise I'll be hated on. It all got back to me when I was watching Contra's essay. I felt this weird irrational fear, like "something is wrong here", and I started to reflect and examine my flashbacks. I started to dig into the internet in order to actually find answers to my old questions and understand better why I feel this way. And in boiled down to a question: what exactly are human rights and which of them queer people lack? And that was it... nobody gave the clear, precise answer to this anywhere I looked. Some were doing random "lists" with no substance and the only thing I could actually kinda sorta get is when they were talking about "not being murdered", because of the statistics of assult on trans people. Well, valid. What do we do with that, how to prevent this - that should be deeply and widely debated, that is a good question to ask. However, the 'human rights card' is being played CONSTANTLY, in soooo many different situations. This is nothing but a gaslighting technique, which in my case, unfortunately, worked very well. I'm glad I get now what happened.

@ohwellwhateverr

4 ай бұрын

I mean I’m totally in support of these people being shipped off to an isolated island in shark-infested waters.

@tgeh448

4 ай бұрын

And it's even to the point where even having a conversation about a middle ground is bigotry. As if saying women also have human rights is invalid.

@slacktoryrecords4193

4 ай бұрын

@@Smoczur777Is it possible to go back and find that guy online and say these things to him?

Fantastic video. The CONTRAPOINTS host thinks asking for an actual example is a "trap." @4:20. "Evidence? We don't need no stinking evidence!

What I find difficult in the ContraPoints video is that whichever "dishonest argument method" she acuses Ms. Rowling of using is practicaly immediately employed in her own video. Be it the argument with a motive in mind instead of an open conversation, the mott and bailey argument or arguing under false pretences with no intention of changing ones mind and so on. It makes the video very dissonant because accusing someone else with what you have no problem with doing yourself just makes it painful to watch. Power to you Mr. Smith for taking this on. I have been keeping tabs since the first video on this topic.

There are some very real objective things that Rowling brought issue to in terms of the effects from the opposite perspective (i.e. trans women in womens sports). All that attack her dismiss or ignore such perspective despite her proclaiming her respect and non issue with people's choices and identities. Those who disparage her tend to be unaware of hypocrisy and their own standars of failings.

@CharacterDev

5 ай бұрын

The ones disparaging her just want views on their crappy social media accounts and videos.

@bluenorth3965

5 ай бұрын

@@CharacterDev Or worse, they want to normalize prvy, kriippi men in places where women are vulnerable. Or just want to be able to access every privilege women have with none of the drawbacks of actually being a woman.

It was such a black pill moment seeing how many people just agreed with Contras video.

Contrapoint didn't present any substantial arguments, it's was mostly condemnation odd points of she disagrees with and name calling.

I recently came across a book called Imagination, Understanding, and the Virtue of Liberality, written by a philosopher called David L. Norton and published a year after his passing in 1996. It contains some really interesting ideas which could be useful to us in todays world and in this context specifically. It proposes ways in which we might be able to productively accommodate a plurality of beliefs and values which differ from eachother, but moving beyond mere tolerence and towards a cooperative interaction. I really recommend it.

@bookworm598

4 ай бұрын

This book is now on my reading list! I recently read Love Your Enemies by Arthur C Brooks and it talks about similar ideas, diving more into the political area.

It all boils down to one of the first things Contra or any other activists say: “If you believe…” What if I don’t? Does someone have the right to demand that I believe? No.

@dubaiedge

5 ай бұрын

Except... They DO think they have the literal right. That's the problem. They're displaying that more & more. Therein lies the danger.

@rebekahdavis5935

4 ай бұрын

yep, religious zealotry same game

Contra comes across like a cult leader warning their acolytes about "how outsiders will try to convert you".

@goldeneddie

5 ай бұрын

You nailed it! Yes!

@roaroa5291

5 ай бұрын

He is exactly that.

@TikoVerhelst

3 ай бұрын

Warren comes across a cult leader who will "show you the truth" "make you think critically" and "stop you from being brainwashed" without ever assuming he could be wrong himself. "Thinking critically" means realizing you're wrong and he's right. And luckily, Warren can never be wrong. This man is just replacing one ideology for another and calling it "a demonstration of critical thinking" even though it looks more like one of those christian "atheist conversions". And the comments look like the comments under those christians videos lol.

Subbing for the support. I like your focus on thought and logic in good faith. Take care

Did Contrapoints ever define "transphobia" in the video? That would be the most basic of ways to prove an argument, to first define the term and then mount evidence to support that the term could be used to describe JK Rowling.

I watched it before, 90% of the points saying JK is transphobic is guilt by association.

@backintimealwyn5736

5 ай бұрын

I think the point is not what she is or is not, I think what matters are the points she makes, this is what should be debated. The all "transphobic" debate is a form of derailing.

@ThisIsY0SE

5 ай бұрын

She uses the slipper slope argument a lot: while its not this specific thing, it leads to this specific thing, so its as bad as this specific thing

@cathygrandstaff1957

5 ай бұрын

@@ThisIsY0SESometimes, although it’s more that she uses the argument that if you allow certain privileges to trans women cis men will take advantage of them to get into women’s spaces, because there’s no meaningful difference between a trans woman and a cis man.

@bluenorth3965

5 ай бұрын

@@cathygrandstaff1957 "cis" men = "trans women". A rock is still a rock even if you paint it to look like wood.

@bluenorth3965

5 ай бұрын

@@cathygrandstaff1957 And she's right, by the way. TIMs will pretend to "really feel like women" to access their spaces and prey on them. Like... have we forgotten that bad people exist and don't care about ethics? Also, there are men who genuinely think they're tns who are pred tors. It's a reality.

Warren, without saying the name, I used to attend the college you teach at. I know how politically insane it is over there. Tbh I’m shocked you haven’t been fired for these videos, maybe things have gotten better there in the past 5 years, I don’t know. But I have so damn much respect for what you’re doing. It means a lot to those of us who are exhausted by what’s going on. Thank you for keeping such a cool reasonable head. You will blossom into an important voice in our culture, I know it. Keep up the amazing work.

@SecretScholars

5 ай бұрын

That means more than I can say. Thank you.

@Friedsteel

4 ай бұрын

Totally agree with the above comment. I have only recently become acquainted with Mr. Smith and his platform. Very impressive. A voice for reason. So refreshing and rare these days. Jordan Peterson comes to mind.

Warren Smith - great analysis and break-down of contrapoints crazy talk. Your work and channel are greatly appreciated

So many people like to argue, but they have no idea how to actually do it. People use classic logical fallacies thinking they're making good points and it's just frustrating. Thank you for being a voice of reason! Subbed.

You're a trooper for watching Contrapoints, bud. I couldn't deal with the brain damage I'd receive trying to watch her nonsense arguments.

@Azmodon

5 ай бұрын

his

@nothanks3236

5 ай бұрын

@@Azmodon Yeah I figured but I was concerned the KZread censorbots would hit me for that.

@impossibleagent3663

5 ай бұрын

#justsayman *he. Let’s stop continuing the delusion.

@lareina9919

5 ай бұрын

@@AzmodonHER

@lareina9919

5 ай бұрын

@@impossibleagent3663HER

Contrapoints would lose 99% of their audience if they actually argued this issue in "good faith" - thus as Upton Sinclair put it - "Its hard to get a person to understand something when their salary depends on their not understanding it." Contrapoints states - "Rowling will make an ambiguous claim like - sex is real." In what world is the comment "sex is real" ambiguous one wonders? This particular Contrapoints video which I watched previously is one of the best examples I know of existential bad faith. If one shamelessly lies to oneself - shamelessly lying to others is hardly a problem - in fact it probably doesn't feel like "lying" at all. Only those unable to think for themselves would ever accept the Contrapoints contentions in her video "on faith" - as Contrapoints expects the audience to do. The fact that many people reference this Contrapoints video as if it provides "proof" that J.K.Rowling is a "transphobic" - instead shines a rather bright light on just how "irrational," "faith based" and "cult-like" the gender-ideology movement actually is.

@gianni_schicchi

5 ай бұрын

Not just their finances, but their entire mental framework for which the exist is backed into the corner of believing that their emotions and feelings on the topic are valid and true In order to do that, they have to change the definition of what is true and objective, and if that even matters

@titanblade3706

5 ай бұрын

Exactly. When she said “well what do you mean sex is real.” I’m like… everyone knows what sex is. In fact, TRAs and YOU know what it is, otherwise you wouldn’t have an issue what she said. Contra knows what JK is saying and is arguing in bad faith and being dishonest.

@bluenorth3965

5 ай бұрын

@@titanblade3706 When he said*.

@Nylon_riot

4 ай бұрын

Victimhood mentality is a legitimate clinical form of narcissism. They create a false identity/ego that they demand everyone participate in. And react aggressively or even violently when you don't because it threatens to reveal the real identity, or lack of identity, underneath.

@snappingbear

4 ай бұрын

"... to change the definition of what is true and objective.... " That there is no objective reality or truth is what is at the heart of the Post Modernist ideology that is so prevalent today. It forms the basis of the D. iversity I. inclusion E. quity madness that's being forced into our culture and education system. @@gianni_schicchi

I always watch Contrapoints videos. I find her fascinating, compelling, thought-provoking. As with every other person on the planet, I don't agree with everything she posits, but I do agree with much. My debate forum is watching her videos and then watching very carefully curated response videos. I do not watch videos where the response is knee-jerk, vitriolic, or the responder engages in exactly the same tactics and fallacies as the person being rebutted. (This happens _all the time._ ) It is a noble enterprise to engage in open debate, even if the engagement, like mine, is only to watch, listen, and hopefully learn. Natalie is extremely intelligent and forms her arguments and organizes her thoughts extremely well. People are often far too quick t judge and dismiss her, and they are wrong for doing so. And I just discovered this channel and this man. He is a glorious breath of fresh air. ☺ Warren isn't insulting or dismissing her but stepping up to her platform and explaining why her style of discourse/argument can be misleading. (I keep editing for content so that I am better understood.)

1:25: Contra says: "Joro compares trans activists to deatheaters". You hear that and say "no she doesn't compare ALL trans people to deatheaters like contra is saying"

@modo1896

4 ай бұрын

Yeah I had to listen again because his argument is based on something she didn't say. Never heard of this guy before the algorithm, but that mistake seems sloppy.

@Smoug

4 ай бұрын

he is either very dumb and bad at "critical thinking and logical analysis" or very hypocritical and dishonest. I go for both because that was a very stupid and too obvious mistake, but also him not responding to the actual points and especially to the original first video is very dishonest.

@brunolopes2205

4 ай бұрын

The distinction itself is irrelevant. The vast majority of trans people will identify themselves as defendants of trans rights (activists). His idea isnt to misrepresent "her" point. It is to point out an inadeuqate generalization and honestly, borderline misrepresentation, of JKR's point. She refers to a small subset of trans people/activists. The use of "people" instead of "activists" doesnt change it. @@modo1896

@williamjenkins4913

3 ай бұрын

I think him emphasizing "activists" was valid. Trans activists are a radicalized sub set, so insulting them has nothing to do with transphobia. Contra shouldn't have even tried to make that point using only activists because it didn't mean anything. It was a good call on his point to draw attention to that.

@modo1896

3 ай бұрын

​@@williamjenkins4913 Insulting trans activists could have something to do with transphobia depending on the reasons for the insult and on how we're defining transphobia. The "trans activists death eater" quote in that section of Contra's video about Rowling's transphobia wasn't meant to prove Rowling's bigotry on its own. It was one example among many that demonstrated how motte and bailey transphobic arguments work. She was also showing how the absence of explicitly bigoted statements isn't a sufficient criterion by itself for deciding who is a bigot. Rather, Rowling's transphobia is inferred from the overall pattern of her tweets, retweets, writing and political activism about trans people over the years, which mostly fixates on them as a threat and something to be opposed, promoting fear about trans people.

I think it’s only recently that a female figure skater has done a quad figure. Men have been doing quad figures for at least a decade. So a trans women that has trained in figure skating would likely dominate in a women’s event.

@lanzer22

5 ай бұрын

Yes, the lady thought she was making a point by saying that there are sports where gender didn't matter, such as figure skating, while the sport was never competed in a mixed gender environment for the fact that certain techniques simply aren't available to woman. She actually could had picked sports such as shooting sports and motor sports, but then we never had anyone complaining in those sports for obvious reasons.

@RobertPenner

5 ай бұрын

The first quad ratified in competition was Kurt Browning in 1988.

@Anne-LiseH

5 ай бұрын

@@lanzer22 She thinks things like mixed high school sports would be ok. Recent volleyball injuries on women’s high school volleyball say otherwise. Teams even refused to play with trans women teams.

@Anne-LiseH

5 ай бұрын

@@RobertPenner Forgot the date but watched the event. Pretty spectacular.

@cyclingsfatsuma9808

5 ай бұрын

Ironically in shooting they went away from mixed events in shotgun classes because it was male dominated and suppressing female engagement. They created a women only class to raise numbers. Allowing men in dresses into women's activities is likely to have the same suppressive effect

I got tired of listening to her at the claim that "sex is real" is an ambiguous statement. She comprehends what Rowling intended by the statement, specifically within the context of the discussion. She's trying too hard.

@janebennetto5655

5 ай бұрын

It’s a man. 🇬🇧

@dawert2667

4 ай бұрын

What does it mean in the context of the discussion though? In the tweet Rowling states that women are being fired for saying “sex is real.” The implication is that the statement “sex is real” is so disturbing that it causes people to be expelled from their jobs for saying it. But is that true? If I were to say “sex is real” in a workplace, would I be fired? Not from any job I ever had. The statement is ambiguous because it is standing in for something else that does get people fired. Something like “I won’t work with a transgender person,” or “they shouldn’t get to use the same bathroom as us.” “Sex is real” is being used as a mask that is easier to trigger outrage in Rowling’s followers than the more understandable offenses that she refuses to say herself

Real person right here; I've just discovered your channel this morning and I'm really grateful for your grounded and measured analysis and perspective. Thank you.

Man if my dad was still around he would be subscribing to your channel. I really appreciate your work, you just got a new subscriber. I was waiting for someone like you to give good counter to their arguments. Thank you algorithm!

I watched this when it came out and was shocked that her argument is that “it’s not appropriate to examine transphobia through the lens of reason or objectivity” (not fit for purpose), and it’s too exhausing to defend her position (despite 2-hour runtime). another unforced error is that instead of condemning the rape of a woman by a trans person->women just need to suck it up. it’s not a defendable rhetorical position. this changes the definition of BIGOT to: traumatized women and allies seeking safe spaces-and further, that this is a cancelable offense, which further stigmatizes women who’ve been raped. lastly, “social justice” is defined as outside the realm of reason, which in no way helps social justice. “persuasion isn’t rational” RE social justice is a PR move that relegates human rights to a marketing problem. I was astonished by this when she dropped this video and i’m even more convinced now that she’s got a real problem in holding this position or being successful in this line of argument.

@vln987

5 ай бұрын

His argument. That is a man in a dress.

@lareina9919

5 ай бұрын

@@vln987HER

@bluenorth3965

5 ай бұрын

He.

@lareina9919

5 ай бұрын

She/her

@impossibleagent3663

5 ай бұрын

He

Her statement @7:02 is hilarious because while she thinks she's making an intelligent objective claim, she's actually just making a willfully ignorant dogmatic claim. This is easily exposed by exchanging the topic of her claim (transphobia) to anything else. For example: "I'm not going to argue anymore about whether or not Sasquatch exists, because anyone who believes in Sasquatch can see that obviously it exists".

@dubaiedge

5 ай бұрын

It's a HE.

@Smoug

4 ай бұрын

she made a 90 minute video engaing with the debate but you are too fucking lazy to respond to that, or just too dishonest and cowardly like @SecretScholars, so she is perfectly in her right to say she does not see it useful to engage anymore, and all of those here in the comments saying transphobia is not real or a valid label are proving her exact point. Why try to prove in good faith that Rowling is transphobic (as she already did) when you people are BAD FAITH debaters that already a prior have decided she is not and there is actually nothing that could prove she is since you don't believe in that concept?

@ExpertContrarian

4 ай бұрын

Bad example. A more accurate version of what you said is, “I don’t need to show you proof of Bigfoot because it just walked right in front of us and you saw it.” Pretty funny that you thought you had an objective point. Why are leftists so bad at arguing?

@1:23 "Objective questioning" wasn't discouraged or shunned. The point is that the questions *are motivated* and the claim of "objectivity" is itself a bad faith rhetorical tactic.

Excellent dismantling of Contrapoints gibberish. Subscribed 👍🏾

This is and will always be one of the most infuriating thing that I ever encounter in a debate or a discussion. The second someone begins to assume your position based on your questions is the second I see them as illogical. If I asked “why do you specifically think murder is wrong I’m curious why” one of these people would see me as vailing my love for murder. And there is a deep rage that comes when someone assumes you are lying with no evidence. It shows more of who they are than who you are. It shows that they are someone who dishonestly “asks questions” and assumes you do to. I thank you Mr teacher for standing up for logic. It is the most frustrating thing in the world when people begin to mind read.

@violau8550

5 ай бұрын

Well, its simple, because most people never question on anything, and they dont even want to think how to answer a question. Thats why watch a good movie or read a good book is very important, it teaches you how to have more broader perspectives

@neodigremo

4 ай бұрын

It is frustrating because, especially on moral issues, interrogating the why is really useful. For instance "why is murder wrong" is a good way to try to outline your moral framework. But I agree that people making assumptions about my intentions, even when they are right, really is infuriating. It is part of why I will also try to let the other person in a discussion outline their motives and act as though I believe them.

@Smoug

4 ай бұрын

no one in the trans community is saying that sex isn't real :p Any trans people knows how biology works... pretty sure any trans woman born male are very aware that they have a male body with XY chromosomes... so yes, "sex is real", no one in the trans community is saying that biological sex isn't real, so her saying that, phrasing it like that, is kinda off topic since we're not talking about sex but GENDER, which is a social construct from the brain. It is scientifically proven that gender issues, and gender dysphoria in the case of trans people, are a thing and very much not a disorder, it's part of your identity just like your romantic/sexual orientation. I can only point you to that short extract from a Stanford neuro biology teacher, someone who's actually qualified in the field speak on this.: kzread.info/dash/bejne/aoWHxdJ9d9Tdo7Q.html&t= Refusing their existence or legitimacy is the base of transphobia, if you're triggered by the fact that they need some special accomodations so that they can live as comfortably as any other person, then yes you obviously have a problem with this group of people and just like racist people have issues with different races, you're having issues with people who have gender dysphoria because you don't understand their struggles. Many people had the same concerns about the handicapped needing special accomodations for a long time, but I'm pretty sure anyone would understand now how it's hateful, dumb and insensitive to think like that, well it's the same for the trans community. They deserve the same rights as anyone else, they also deserve to be protected against the discrimination they're facing (mostly because of personalities like JK who dismisses them publically and thus result in their fans following their mindset). Also this idea that helping trans women will somehow endangered women is quite false... It's quite easy to paint a certain portrait when you're using one extreme case out of thousands happily transitionned people who never hurt anyone in their life and are living their life without bothering anyone. If there's one rapist who happens to be trans (doesn't even mean the person really has gender dysphoria so for all we know they are just straight people using the system for their evil deeds) and that people suddenly make a generality over it it's forcefully bad. Just look at the data, there's crazy people in every communities even this one, doesn't mean it's representative, same for the crazy activists of twitter, they're not representative of what trans people are like, they're just the loud minority that exists in every group. If you make a generality over those then you're bigoted, it's pretty simple... Also most feminist groups do include trans women in their fight without issues, only Terfs are actively fighting against trans people using feminism as an excuse... Rowling is surrounded by anti trans activists on her pictures and the way she talks about it shows that she's misguided, like most people who don't understand the subject. If you're curious on the subject I strongly recommend you watch this : kzread.info/dash/bejne/gamT2tiReq3RZ84.html&t=

I hit refreshed KZread at the perfect time. I'm so excited for this review, love your content sir.

@godessofthemoon67

5 ай бұрын

Can you please tell me how to do that? Have Google and searched my settings

I just subscribed. Critical thinking is what they don't want. That skill easily dismantles the lies they tell, as you show. Thank you

Dude, I just encountered your channel for the first time. For once, I'm grateful for algorithms. Analytical thinking is in such a short supply; a learned skill that was removed from the classroom generations ago. Please keep teaching us that skill. Good luck, and preserve.

Great video. Contra's videos are like a chicken whose head got chopped off and now its running in circles. It's made for people who want to hear the message of the video presented in a seemingly sophisticated and pretentious way. Everyone else can see the tactics that you pointed out and how the arguments are flawed and the reasoning has more holes than swiss cheese. How people can sit through hours and hours of this meandering is beyond me...

@violau8550

5 ай бұрын

I think he got another part chopped off too, he lost his balls once got called as bigot by other trans activists.

Warren, you are going to go far. Things will not be easy for you. It may get ugly, but your voice is powerful. Don’t be silenced. We need great teachers like you. Your words will come easier with practice. Logic will cleave through lies

@lennartmathiassen

5 ай бұрын

it's impossible to know if you're making fun of the guy or not

@spatz82_the_fierzwolf

5 ай бұрын

@@lennartmathiassen not making fun of him at all. I love the way this man thinks, and with the dark path society is taking today, we need to show our youth especially, critical thinking skills. The powers that be are trying to brainwash us all, like the student Warren was questioning. We need more voices to shine light in the darkness, and the way Warren speaks, he guides people to critical thinking in a way that doesn’t shame them.

@spatz82_the_fierzwolf

5 ай бұрын

@@lennartmathiassen it’s just going to not be an easy path for him because those in charge don’t want us to think. He’s going to need to be brave and prepare himself to meet that opposition.

@lennartmathiassen

5 ай бұрын

@@spatz82_the_fierzwolf sorry, I guess I didn't really read your original comment thoroughly: I *also* think this guy is "brave" and challenging "those in charge" and that he's not just some simple-minded loser 😉😉👌

@bluenorth3965

5 ай бұрын

@@lennartmathiassen Gotta love when the complex-minded winners come out of their holes to refute people's opinions and arguments with... insults. Genius move, I could definitely never aspire to such level of intellectual excellence. Superb.

I am glad I found this channel, came from your other video about losers coming after you and i am here to support you.

Contra: “Stop asking logical questions. You’re just supposed to believe what I tell you.”

There needs to be more Warren Smiths in the world and fewer "Contrapoints" gaslighters.

Had a very very emotional debate with someone (she was emotional) because I can’t believe what she thinks is true. Doesn’t matter that I would be very respectful to the person and would never try to hurt them. I must 100% agree or I’m guilty of transphobia.

@dimitardonev4507

5 ай бұрын

First off I haven’t met anyone who has extreme irrational fear of trans people, second, even if they did, how can anyone be guilty of something which isn’t crime?

@bluenorth3965

5 ай бұрын

@@dimitardonev4507 I agree on your first point, but not everything that's ethically wrong is illegal. Laws often allow very morally wrong stuff. You can still be guilty of that, even though you won't go to jail or receive punishment for it.

@dimitardonev4507

5 ай бұрын

@@bluenorth3965 that’s one of the most absurd ways to navigate through life, do you realize that by your own logic you are always committing imaginary crimes with regard to someone’s subjective moral standard right? So what’s your response? Do nothing say nothing? But that way you will offend I.e. commit a “crime” against those who don’t like people who say and do nothing. So then by whose imaginary crime standard you’re going to live your life? The loudest? The most threatening ones? Well but in that case you aren’t moral or virtuous though, are you? You are just afraid. And that leads us to millennia old wisdom - most moral and virtue is cowardice pretending to be a moral and virtue, and just so you know people see right through that fake disguise.

@bluenorth3965

5 ай бұрын

@@dimitardonev4507 You just made a whole lot of assumptions about me. Let me respond with a question: do you believe that everything that's legal is morally right?

@dimitardonev4507

5 ай бұрын

@@bluenorth3965 it is all relative - if an individual, or a fringe group can declare that their own subjective moral should be treated as a criminal code and everyone else should be a subject to, then a legal system which is shaped and refined throughout the course of millennia, generations upon generations is infinitely more moral than the former.

The contrapoint person reminds me of a Dan Brown novel. There’s just enough fact sprinkled in to try to justify the rest of the emotional entertainment. How anyone can really resonate with the debate style contrapoint chooses to espouse baffles and saddens me

New favourite channel! Subscribed after about 5min. Great content

Her stating that debating any topic makes no sense because debates lead to nowhere is somwhat right in that the level of debate these days is so low. Vast majority of public discussion is performed the same way 2 boxers perform in the ring. They are there to destroy one another. If we are entering discussion with that attitude, there will be no winners. Only loosers because neither side will learn anything. Unfortunately that's the attitude she also represents in the video we just watched. Healthy discussion is based on the assumption that all the parties are willinig to listen the other side and test their theories rather than: "I'm right and you are wrong and I will prove it or die on that hill." And that's unfortunately is a standard these days. How much content there is on KZread titled: Watch X destroy Y...? And since it's so popular, it creats a culture where all that matters in any discussion is to win. IF loosing discussion is not an option we don't learn anything.

@damgful

5 ай бұрын

That's why proper debates have moderators. Plus, it's the responsibility of the viewer to critically question what is being said and not let themselves be manipulated by misinformation and misdirection. I'm tired of this narrative that human beings are all sheep incapable of independent thought. Don't think I'm attacking you. I'm only adding to your comment

@kamael1125

5 ай бұрын

Oh yes we are capable of independant thought. I think that a lot of times we are chooding not to do that because it's an effort.@@damgful

@dubaiedge

5 ай бұрын

HE.

This person is a narcissist! Most of them are! If people don't agree with them 100% they throw a label on them and therefore say that person's opinion doesn't matter! All that matters is what THEY think! It's so self absorbing!

@impossibleagent3663

5 ай бұрын

Agreed 100% also #justsayman.

Are people dressed in essentially costumes and denying the reality everyone can see, going to be someone to trust?

Never heard of this Contrapoints person but your breakdown was excellent

Thank you that was helpful. So ContraPoints just admitted that there is a substantial amount of sex changes before puberty, a fact that she is usually downplaying or denying.

I will never not think of the Austin Powers line, "That's a man, baby!"

@bricktasticanimations4834

5 ай бұрын

"That's my mother!" XD

@connor5669

5 ай бұрын

Wow what a critical thinker you are and not just a crude bully

@YawnGod

5 ай бұрын

@@connor5669 :(

@bricktasticanimations4834

5 ай бұрын

@@connor5669 Do you not understand humour when you read it?

@connor5669

5 ай бұрын

@@bricktasticanimations4834 what's the joke? The problem with bigots is that they're caught up on the most fundamental aspect of trans existence. They can't make good jokes bc of that

I came across this channel at my office today, and spent an hour trying to find your channel at home, having forgotten it's name. Your content is fantastic, thank you!

3:16 For the record, that's NOT example of a Motte-Bailey. A Motte-Bailey would be: Bailey Statement: "Puberty blockers for 11-year-olds are just a pause button that can be unpaused without issue." Challenge to statement: "The pre-eminent sex-reassignment surgeon in the U.S., Marci Bowers, says not a single one of her patients who was given puberty blockers at Tanner Stage 2 has ever had an orgasm." Retreat to Motte: "I just believe in compassion for trans youth. Don't you believe in compassion for trans youth?"

What, exactly, is "transphobia? Does the definition fall under the trope "I can't say, but I know it when I see it"? If a person can have a problem with the relationship between their mind and their sex, why can't anyone else have a problem with that person's relationship between their mind and their sex?

@impossibleagent3663

5 ай бұрын

Hmmm interesting point.

@lupiasensio5617

5 ай бұрын

Reality is transphobic, Biology is transphobic... whatever those narcissist decide in a given moment is transphobic

@dubaiedge

5 ай бұрын

Every last aspect of their argument can be flipped back on them. They're not okay with who they were, yet sex doesn't make a person? Oh, then why do they need to go around claiming they're now the opposite sex? I thought sex "doesn't exist¿" They're hilariously illogical. They can't accept themselves but all a sudden WE have to? Well guess what, maybe it's WE who can't stand compelled speech that insists we lie to smooth over their body dysphoria.

@dubidolczektv5278

4 ай бұрын

I suppose it's when you transcend your irrational fears? But seriously, you make a good point I think.

@mjbull5156

4 ай бұрын

It is a question begging propaganda word that presumes a person is arguing against a transgender ideological position out of a feeling of irrational fear. It is designed in an Orwellian fashion to brand any sketicism aginst trans ideological assertions as unthinkable. It is a form of intellectual bullying.

Hell yeah!!!! Im loving these videos.

I am SO glad I found you. Literally a voice of reason in a sea of...I don't even the word...❤

I don't know if you'll see my comment. I stumbled on contrapoints channel a few weeks ago by accident , a lot of word salad, eye rolling with the ideology you would expect. I found you today and subbed because someone linked you on twitter as a voice of reason. Great video btw !

There is this interesting thing where she applies masculine aggression and absolutes to the feminine tendency to argue the feelings, not the facts.

@SecretScholars

5 ай бұрын

That's an interesting point.

@impossibleagent3663

5 ай бұрын

Scary combo.

@roaroa5291

4 ай бұрын

"the feminine tendency to argue the feelings, not the facts' That seems misogynistic. Source for this claim?

@ejtattersall156

4 ай бұрын

@@roaroa5291 Notice how your first statement, or "argument" was an emotional one: "That seems misogynistic." Your first argument was to press an emotional hot button. Misogyny is the pathological hatred of women. Can you provide sources that proves that me saying "feminine tendency to argue the feelings, not the facts" shows a pathological hatred of women?

@user-wu6vm2xn3s

4 ай бұрын

​​@@ejtattersall156because facts are superior and what we should make decisions from. Then different people have different interests with those facts/ situations. I don't know how you can say that women argue feelings ? Facts and feelings are not antagonistic, you can have feelings about facts. What do you base that on? I think women do argue for their feelings and those are not the male feelings. And since male is seen as default you think thats arguing feelings. Also feelings are facts (they're part of reality) and should be taken in to account. But how? That political.

Great work, I am glad to see your following growing so rapidly! The tools for examining and understanding objective reality are the things we are at the greatest risk of losing currently. If we can preserve and improve those, every other problem can be overcome.

I liked when she brought up the motte and bailey argument, and then had to completely reverse engineer it in order to make it apply to Rowling's "transphobic" statement that sex is, in fact, real. Meawhile, the motte and bailey perfectly represents just about every PRO gender ideology argument I've ever heard. They'll say things like "Trans women ARE women" and "Sex is assigned at birth" but then they'll retreat to their "sex and gender are different concepts" defense at the first sign of legitimate scrutiny.

Hey chief, just subscribed. Been on YT for a decade and I only have maybe 15 subs. Just wanted to let you know, not a bot account, and I appreciate the clear, concise, and logical thinking. There's an abundance of eloquent and otherwise commentators that reinforce people's beliefs by passing the heart test (I know what they're saying is right because I feel it in my heart). Like Jonathan Haidt says, the elephant that guides the rider is the heart, and the mind justifies where the heart takes it. Critical thinking is a painfully developed skill that requires humility, so I'll enjoy practicing it with you.