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  • @ironwarriorcosplay
    @ironwarriorcosplay Жыл бұрын

    HEYYY!!! Thank you so much for using my Iron Warrior as your thumbnail 😃🥰❤️

  • @DiscourseMinis

    @DiscourseMinis

    Жыл бұрын

    oh awesome!!! it's AMAZING. I am super jealous of your skills :D

  • @ironwarriorcosplay

    @ironwarriorcosplay

    Жыл бұрын

    @@DiscourseMinis :3 you pinned it!! Thank you!!

  • @ironwarriorcosplay

    @ironwarriorcosplay

    Жыл бұрын

    @@DiscourseMinis Come to my table next time and get a photo :D Would be amazing

  • @kdog3908

    @kdog3908

    Жыл бұрын

    Looks awesome, sir! Never ceases to impress me how much work and dedication goes into many of the cosplays these days. Mad props!

  • @DiscourseMinis

    @DiscourseMinis

    Жыл бұрын

    @@ironwarriorcosplay sounds great :D

  • @THX-to6gg
    @THX-to6gg Жыл бұрын

    The Inquisitor exploded with rage “you had the witch in your grasp and you allowed her to escape?…….there can only be one punishment for such monumental incompetence!”

  • @ch-sqpopay9949

    @ch-sqpopay9949

    Жыл бұрын

    am i the only one who thinks, that the inquisition haves for all wrongdoings the same ultimate punisment ?😅 they need more fantasy, just death is not enough for such heresy!

  • @radicalpaddyo

    @radicalpaddyo

    Жыл бұрын

    A spanking!

  • @leehodges1484
    @leehodges1484 Жыл бұрын

    At last, an honest assessment of QueueFest 2023. We in fact, left very deflated. I am not some entitled Karen, I knew there would be queues with so many people there, but was perhaps naive. I took my 8 old year old son, possibly a mistake, but he is really getting interested in the hobby. There was just nothing for him to do. We played squigapult once, as that was a 10 minute queue. 3 hour wait for demo game, 2 hour wait for build and paint, 1 hour waits for any of the electronic games, and a very orderly very British queue to look at the Golden Daemon entries. He wasn't that interested in watching any of the tournament games, and the board game cafe was full while we were there. We left after 45 minutes after the moaning reached insistent levels, there was no way he could queue for any length of time. I dropped him off with mum who was shopping in the city and came back to try to see the Old World reveal, got there 45 minutes before to find the line closed already. Went to look at the cosplayers and Golden Daemon entries and left again. The 5 tables for 40k demos was a joke. Think you are spot on with the tournament tables taking up half the hall and that the space could have been utilised better, but there was plenty of empty space just after the entrance and in the foyer near the exits, they could have easily put more painting tables or expanded the board game cafe. Do not think we will be going next year.

  • @317Victosenco
    @317Victosenco Жыл бұрын

    When I was younger I loved going to gaming related events and car events. But at some point or another, the events I went too made me realize that I wasn't missing anything by staying at home and watching things on the web. I guess I'm just a grumpy old man at this point lol. Hats off to anybody that still does attend the events in person.

  • @malakimphoros2164

    @malakimphoros2164

    Жыл бұрын

    You're missing chasing furries around the convention hall

  • @317Victosenco

    @317Victosenco

    Жыл бұрын

    @@malakimphoros2164 I stand corrected.

  • @jerod5636

    @jerod5636

    Жыл бұрын

    Same thing for me. I can’t imagine dealing with a blizzcon or something these days even though I enjoyed it back then.

  • @neilmartin7776
    @neilmartin7776 Жыл бұрын

    Not a total disaster, Discourse - you did get a selfie with me outside the Q&A, after all! 😂

  • @DiscourseMinis

    @DiscourseMinis

    Жыл бұрын

    that's fair! :D

  • @Tropicoboy

    @Tropicoboy

    Жыл бұрын

    Wdym you are the reason for this video 😂

  • @neilmartin7776

    @neilmartin7776

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Tropicoboy that's what I thought Discourse was hinting at, at first! 🤣

  • @CPC2077
    @CPC2077 Жыл бұрын

    I can only imagine Wathammer corporate doesn't like their creative types leaving and starting their own thing. I'm sure their creative types leaving has nothing to do with not being acknowledged by corporate during annual events or the amount of money they are paid: that's all entirely circumstantial.

  • @Speknoz
    @Speknoz Жыл бұрын

    Warhammer Fantasy is what got me into 40K. My brothers had the 5th ed WHFB starter. I would steal their models and paint them. Then I saw Tyranids in 40K and knew what army I wanted to play. Still have the first models I've ever bought.

  • @tartoflan

    @tartoflan

    Жыл бұрын

    Space dinobugs be cute

  • @Stonehorn

    @Stonehorn

    Жыл бұрын

    Same, except it was 3rd edition Fantasy. Started with high elves, the Brettonia, and a full Chaos Dwarf army. I have 9 fantasy armies I’ve collected over 30 years. I still play Warhammer Armies Project and 8th edition tournaments. Im playing in one with my Bettonians this weekend.

  • @ironbomb6753

    @ironbomb6753

    Жыл бұрын

    That's so cool, happy to hear this little story. ❤👍

  • @mollytherealdeal
    @mollytherealdeal Жыл бұрын

    One of their employees Duncan Rhodes, an instructional painter for the Games Workshop channel, gained enough fame that he quit and started his own KZread channel. Perhaps the elimination of panels, the elimination of credits in the rule books is just an over reaction for Duncan.

  • @thaliahelene

    @thaliahelene

    Жыл бұрын

    Oh it’s more than that… didn’t he start his own hobby paint line? It was one of those guys. Pity Games Workshop hasn’t learned to praise. Praise is as cheap as they could hope for, with a lot more company benefits than a forgetty pit.

  • @Exar_Kun

    @Exar_Kun

    11 ай бұрын

    Rogue Hobbies also left GW to do it on her own.

  • @forrestdorman4870

    @forrestdorman4870

    4 ай бұрын

    Maybe they should treat their employees better? You’d think with how expensive their shit is they could at least pay them plenty.

  • @SirBrasstion
    @SirBrasstion Жыл бұрын

    I liked the way they avoided price tags so you felt pressured to buy the commissar for £22 after queueing for 20 minutes. I also liked that there were no staff around to compare your receipt to the actual contents of your bag.

  • @DiscourseMinis

    @DiscourseMinis

    Жыл бұрын

    yeah noticed this myself!

  • @malakimphoros2164

    @malakimphoros2164

    Жыл бұрын

    I bet they didn't give deals for big buyers. STORY TIME At me local fantasy con a gunpla shop gave me and some rando ahead in the queue 15$ off the purchase. FUN TIMES

  • @theanimaster
    @theanimaster Жыл бұрын

    Every time I think about going to a tabletop nerd event I ask myself: “what would my kids say if I drag them along?” … and then I’m reminded about why I shouldn’t bother. At least for now. My local game store is more than enough for my needs.

  • @philipreed8031
    @philipreed8031 Жыл бұрын

    It was nice to see you there from a distance while standing in a queue. Sorry I never got to say hi in person. I totally agree with you there was nothing really to do. Warhammer fest 2019 had loads more to do and people to speak too and it was better laid out. I went home at 1pm because I was bord and it was far to busy. I really didn't enjoy it this time.

  • @System-Update

    @System-Update

    Жыл бұрын

    Same. Well, when you say "home" I mean "Pub" but near enough.

  • @Gormathius
    @Gormathius Жыл бұрын

    The thing I hate the most about gambling being shoved into everything as far as companies can legally get away with these days is how damn normalised it is. You barely ever see anyone even react to it anymore.

  • @theotv5522

    @theotv5522

    10 ай бұрын

    If you look at the majority of people playing 40k, they tend to sugarcoat everything GW does, and GW couldn't care less even if they don't.

  • @haddockswhiskey
    @haddockswhiskey Жыл бұрын

    Movies can credit thousands of people from their local tax consultant to the dude who fixes their sandwiches, it’s not difficult to credit creators. One simply has to care enough to do so.

  • @alrethianscraftsbattles
    @alrethianscraftsbattles Жыл бұрын

    I am sorry to hear your experience was not good, but this video was hilarious 🤣. Thank you.

  • @teddyharvester

    @teddyharvester

    Жыл бұрын

    Goes to show, some of the best comedy usually comes from suffering.

  • @ironbomb6753

    @ironbomb6753

    Жыл бұрын

    Discourse is brilliant, her humor is razor sharp. ❤👍

  • @Lioris13
    @Lioris13 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you! You're the 1st KZreadr who has actually voiced the frustration the average person felt attending the event. Hopefully GW learn from the experience.

  • @owenlindkvist5355

    @owenlindkvist5355

    Жыл бұрын

    That's bullshit.

  • @RSBurgener
    @RSBurgener Жыл бұрын

    This sounds like an absolute nightmare. And it sounds exactly like something Games Workshop would put on. It shows their trademark level of regard for their fanbase.

  • @ironbomb6753

    @ironbomb6753

    Жыл бұрын

    Well said. I agree. GW just craps us out once they wipe your wallet.

  • @graemerigg4029
    @graemerigg4029 Жыл бұрын

    It was on display in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet in disused toilet with sign on the door which read 'Beware of the Leopard '!

  • @AJratcliffe
    @AJratcliffe Жыл бұрын

    I love that "the most revolutionary apart of 40k" (rules on data cards instead of in a book) has been a part of AOS for 5+ years

  • @thorinpeterson6282

    @thorinpeterson6282

    Жыл бұрын

    Codexes have always blown my mind asunder with how obviously anti consumer they are. Big stupid books that are instantly outdated, never all available at the same time, with maybe a dozen pages of actual rule content and otherwise a shit load of recycled fluff and modeling filler. Just an absolute shit product, long live data cards.

  • @AJratcliffe

    @AJratcliffe

    Жыл бұрын

    @@thorinpeterson6282 I actually like codex's/battletomes. Reading lore and fluff is fun for me

  • @casperg1023
    @casperg1023 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for speaking the truth about gambling. it's not needed and a terrible addiction. "You gotta catch them all" if you don't FOMO.

  • @andrewzucker9201

    @andrewzucker9201

    Жыл бұрын

    How is it any different than buying a pack of a CCG? I'm not being snarky, I'm just not seeing it as gambling. The customer definitively receives one of the minis listed in the box they pay for even if it isn't the specific one they want. If you lose in gambling you get nothing. They also have the option of buying a full bundle and getting every mini plus one extra. CCGs don't even give you that. Don't get me wrong it is to some extent predatory, but that's capitalism. Businesses take advantage of their customers as much as they think they can get away with and GW is no exception. If they didn't offer the complete set in every bundle then I might agree as the customer would have to keep buying and buying to get a full set. This would likely harm addicts that couldn't stop themselves. For the people that "gotta catch them all" they can just buy a full bundle and have them all in the current format. I want to reiterate that I'm not saying you're wrong, just that I don't see it.

  • @11AleZZ

    @11AleZZ

    Жыл бұрын

    They are for the Japanese market, and there, blind boxes are pretty common

  • @Xarxsis

    @Xarxsis

    Жыл бұрын

    @@andrewzucker9201 TCGs are gambling. Its just gambling with a veneer over the top

  • @Xarxsis

    @Xarxsis

    Жыл бұрын

    @@PointyPaints Isnt game of thrones a LCG not a TCG? which means no randomness, and no gambling.

  • @Xarxsis

    @Xarxsis

    Жыл бұрын

    @@PointyPaints A LCG still gets expansions, which will look like boosters. But i cant find any reference to a game of thrones TCG online.

  • @stujm84
    @stujm84 Жыл бұрын

    Well said on the booster packs. Completely agree with everything you said on adding a gambling element into the hobby.

  • @Hellsong89

    @Hellsong89

    11 ай бұрын

    One could argue dice rolls are gambling on it self, how ever i agree this decision is just cancer...and GW again shooting to their own kneecap intentionally.

  • @TinBearStudios
    @TinBearStudios Жыл бұрын

    I was with you in your 10th demo game, was great to meet you guys and I agree that the index cards are a nice touch - hope they find a way keep them going forward, it was so refreshing to look down and see everything in one place.

  • @DiscourseMinis

    @DiscourseMinis

    Жыл бұрын

    It was lovely to meet you!!!

  • @Stonehorn

    @Stonehorn

    Жыл бұрын

    They said from day one every unit in 10th would have data cards. You buy them in packs per army. They are also going to be free online

  • @LathanM
    @LathanM Жыл бұрын

    One more reason we need you to come to Adepticon. You will have fun. You will see great games and fully painted armies. You may even get to play in the Meat Grinder. Add Adepticon to your bucket list. We would love to see you there.

  • @DiscourseMinis

    @DiscourseMinis

    Жыл бұрын

    I would absolutely love to go, alas its too expensive to fly over! :(

  • @lesbianmorgoth652
    @lesbianmorgoth652 Жыл бұрын

    Yeah the new gambling boxes have somehow made me even more disappointed with GW then I thought possible. I come from a family history of gambling and addictions in general, and the booster boxes being announced really ruined almost any enthusiasm I have for GW stuff as a whole. Its easy to see that this introduction is just trying to normalise and profit off of vulnerable, especially when looking at what has happened to gaming over the past 10 years in regards to microtransactions, loot boxes and live service games. Just sucks and I really hope there is enough pushback against it to stop it before it gets going :(

  • @shepahotep
    @shepahotep Жыл бұрын

    Old World - Unfortunately, the impression I got, was that they wanted to capture some of the extra money Games Workshop Bros (who aren't going to commit to other party games) have laying around but don't intend to treat Old World like a real game. It felt like it won't even get the attention Warcry or Necromunda receives with them repeating over and over that they were focusing on reissuing old models. "Oh we'll also make some new kits" sounded like a "Don't tip them off that we won't really support this game" comment.

  • @britainbetterthanyou

    @britainbetterthanyou

    Жыл бұрын

    thank you for saying this. I had the same theory! There is a % of people who are annoyed about the disgrace that is AoS but love the Old World; and GW believe they can just basically sell these people old models with a few bones thrown in there. Remember, they said the Old World is "not for beginners" which means it's the same bloated, ill-advised ruleset (80 page core rules?) with a fresh layer of paint. The remit is clearly NOT to "make it the best version of Warhammer Fantasy Battles" and "draw new players into playing it". GW have a limited time window to MILK these potential WALES before they reach that age point where they don't care anymore due to grandkids etc. It's basically a scam. Also, whilst as others have pointed out Brets and Tomb Kings have no AoS analog (though Tomb Kings were re-imagined tbf as the Bonereapers or whatever) - it's MORE likely someone at GW decided they need to bring out plastic kits of those two factions because Fireforge Games and Mantic respectively have brought out hard-plastic model lines for both factions themselves. Not a coincidence imo.

  • @mkuhnactual

    @mkuhnactual

    Жыл бұрын

    @@britainbetterthanyou You say "GW believes" like it's not true. Doesn't matter how big a scam it is, GW Bros will still buy and loudly defend buying it.

  • @Stonehorn

    @Stonehorn

    Жыл бұрын

    I didn’t get that at all. Sounds to me they are smart enough to start small and build the game, without overpromising out of the gate.

  • @Stonehorn

    @Stonehorn

    Жыл бұрын

    @@britainbetterthanyou you do you, we want that “bloated” WFB ruleset. Sounds to me like gw is listening to long time fans

  • @Stonehorn

    @Stonehorn

    Жыл бұрын

    @@mkuhnactual awww, are you mad because people like gw games?

  • @AVoxintheVoid
    @AVoxintheVoid Жыл бұрын

    At least my boy iron warrior cosplay made your thumbnail!

  • @Ryotbh
    @Ryotbh Жыл бұрын

    14:15 - Completely agree that this language from GW is concerning. I think it goes to show that they're not going to actively advertise Old World to new gamers, perhaps even to the point of discouraging people from playing it. In my mind, it confirms what I think most of us suspected - that AoS will continue to be the game that is pushed and will not be usurped by the Old World.

  • @markgrehan3726

    @markgrehan3726

    Жыл бұрын

    It's going to be a Specialist games brand much like Aeronautica Imperialis or better example The Horus Heresy A.O.S. is the big brand it was never going to replace Age of Sigmar.

  • @NapoleonicWargaming

    @NapoleonicWargaming

    Жыл бұрын

    I'm OK with that. Not every games has to be aimed at everyone

  • @Stonehorn

    @Stonehorn

    Жыл бұрын

    It was never supposed to be usurped, it was always for fans of fantasy. Its a rank and flank war game, its not supposed to be for beginners. Thats not what any of us WFB players want

  • @NapoleonicWargaming

    @NapoleonicWargaming

    Жыл бұрын

    @@Stonehorn 666%

  • @edwardblacklock2446
    @edwardblacklock2446 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for being such an awesome advocate for the tabletop gaming community. I completely agree with you about the gambling issue with gaming, its insidious and is morally repugnant. Keep up the amazing content

  • @hogs0war
    @hogs0war Жыл бұрын

    I would genuinely like to see the Death Korps of Krieg command squad painted up by you. Please don't let it go into your impressive pile of shame forever hahaha.

  • @jimholmes4729
    @jimholmes4729 Жыл бұрын

    I'm new to this community via mini painting. I don't think I've ever seen anything like the outright contempt Games Workshop seems to hold its consumers in. I'm glad all the negatives from GW was offset by some great interactions with other humans you met there!

  • @genghisgahan9623

    @genghisgahan9623

    Жыл бұрын

    You obviously never heard of "wizards of the coast". Games workshop is positively benign in comparison.

  • @jimholmes4729

    @jimholmes4729

    Жыл бұрын

    @@genghisgahan9623 Yes, yes I have heard of them. One awful business doesn't excuse another's behavior. But rationalize away GW's shenanigans if you feel you must.

  • @genghisgahan9623

    @genghisgahan9623

    Жыл бұрын

    @@jimholmes4729 well ill not defend blind boxes of constant releases of new codex which are out of date too soon. The same with the rubbish black library app. Just saying it's not as bad as wotc

  • @Farli-Gaming
    @Farli-Gaming Жыл бұрын

    thanks for the channel it was nice to meet you on the Monday. as your were in Fanboy 3 after the event

  • @DiscourseMinis

    @DiscourseMinis

    Жыл бұрын

    oh it was great to meet! :)

  • @joejones3387
    @joejones3387 Жыл бұрын

    Great video. Worth the wait from the event. And amazing for making a strong statement about the gambling aspect that’s creeping in

  • @thomasbloxham247
    @thomasbloxham247 Жыл бұрын

    As someone who went to games day in Birmingham on a coach from my local GW a few times as a kid, how the mighty have fallen! Every Games Workshop in the country used to have a table set up to demo games. There were hundreds of tables to play on, miles of things to see and do. The only people who were bored were all the dads, sitting forlornly in the stands reading the paper for 4 hours.

  • @badbones777
    @badbones777 Жыл бұрын

    Mate lives in Manc and attended - he was massively disappointed and only had a 20 minute commute home - god help people with 3 day tickets who came from further afield in the UK or even Europe. We used to go to (and love) Gamesday when that was a thing so it's not like they are new to this. The offerings were pretty anaemic, it has to be said, and not being able to talk to any of the staff like you used to was a bit rubbish. Tbh, unless you were entering the tourney or Golden Demon, (or really REALLY needed to playtest 10th without just waiting a few weeks for some reason) there really wasn't a massive point to physically attending it versus watching a stream. Full sympathies to the actual event staff and all that but yeah it wasn't the best use of space and was pretty terribly organised. My two main worries are for people for whom this was their first wargames event and if the negative feedback means that they are soured on runnnig events up North going forward as I'd love it being up here more regular. The likes of Salute are just leagues better than this and as the top dog in the industry (with previous track record of running good events) there is simply no excuse for Fest being what it was. Hopefully they take any criticism on board instead of shrugging and saying "enough fuckers'll buy the tickets anyway" and make the necessary changes for next time. Some people did clearly enjoy it despite it all and good on 'em but a lot of people were also very disappointed and let down (inlcuding some people literally just getting off and going to Element Games just up the road) so yeah, fingers crossed.

  • @labtec514

    @labtec514

    Жыл бұрын

    I don't see any reason why GW wouldn't make changes, there's obviously been the hiatus between 2019 and 23 so there could've been a skill or knowledge loss as people change jobs and this is evidently the biggest event they've put on in a long time so it wasn't too surprising that there's been issues

  • @badbones777

    @badbones777

    Жыл бұрын

    @@labtec514 Thats fait but they are also the biggest entitiy in their industry and the pandemic effected all wargame event organisers - Salute still managed to be better run and a lot cheaper despite them not being a company but a wargames club that just happens to organise an annual event. It's entirely possible GW did lose staff with experience in the area, but then they're big enough I'd expect them to analyse that deficieny and and build up to a bigger event rather than just run a big event - they literally have people who's job it is to consider these things at a corporate level.

  • @m0nkeyf1ngers31
    @m0nkeyf1ngers31 Жыл бұрын

    The one I went to in Coventry blew this fest out of the water. I was considering buying some merch, quite fancied some of those mouse mat primary objective markers ..then I found out they were 40 quid a set and laughed my ass all the way out of the door and down the road to have a look around forbidden planet. There was indeed bugger all to do there. Seriously going to reconsider going to another one of these fest's. Would've had more fun watching it at home with a beer and my feet up sad to say.

  • @theotv5522
    @theotv552210 ай бұрын

    The queue is just irl stimulation of queuing in GW online store to buy newly released models, only to realise 90% of them were already yoinked as soon as the doors open.

  • @TheColosiss
    @TheColosiss Жыл бұрын

    It saddens me to see one of the last standing old I.P. treated as such from the creators... Such disrespect... I feel so bad for all of the people that went to the event. We shall endure...

  • @sulun1658
    @sulun1658 Жыл бұрын

    For being right off a long plane trip this was a great breakdown! Loved the video!

  • @gbprime2353
    @gbprime2353 Жыл бұрын

    If you've got that many thousands of people all wanting to see a demo of 40k v10, they SHOULD have set up that mythical sound stage and fitted cameras around one of the demo tables so everyone could see it being played. Ouch.

  • @LavaRhino3
    @LavaRhino3 Жыл бұрын

    My favorite part of this entire video was when Discourse hoped for the Leviathan box so she would have more space marines to paint. 😉

  • @jamesdeeds8799
    @jamesdeeds8799 Жыл бұрын

    Glad you made it home safe and sound

  • @AntonyReaper
    @AntonyReaper Жыл бұрын

    My friend had a day ticket and argued that there ticket had a different start time. They got to go in and because there queue was smaller they got in before us who had 3 day premium tickets

  • @alexwright1251
    @alexwright1251 Жыл бұрын

    The higher ups at Games Workshop dont deserve the fanbase they have.

  • @theminijourney
    @theminijourney Жыл бұрын

    Great video. The gambling boxes is an interesting view, and I never thought about it like this, but you are 100% right. I was there this weekend but didn't see you! I definitely would have said hello!! I really enjoied warhammer fest, but after going to 2 x games days on 2001+2002, this was definatly disappointing. I entered the casual tournament, and that's what made my experience great, meeting people through that! I didn't bother even going to the shop with the ques!!

  • @britainbetterthanyou

    @britainbetterthanyou

    Жыл бұрын

    The worse part of the Space Marine blind boxes is that the Space Marines are literally just a quick CAD "get the interns to do it" job. Same boring space marines with a pouch moved here and an extra clip moved there; move his arm up this way. Literally identical to the stuff you can buy already.

  • @manofaction1807
    @manofaction1807 Жыл бұрын

    The First Rule of Warhammer Fest- We don't talk about Warhammer Fest!

  • @oneearrabbit
    @oneearrabbit Жыл бұрын

    While I am disappointed in keeping the codex system, one thing I do like that GW has stated is that all of an army’s information will be in one codex. I don’t have to have the Space Marine codex and Black Templar codex. I just need the Black Templar codex so at least they are working to trim down the number of books you need to look through/carry. But yes I do think it would have been better to just release the rules for all the armies and do the quarterly balance sheets and call it a day.

  • @reddragon4482

    @reddragon4482

    Жыл бұрын

    Are they giving them away on PDF though?

  • @oneearrabbit

    @oneearrabbit

    Жыл бұрын

    @@reddragon4482 I’ve seen some sources that say the data sheets will be replaced for free when the codexes come out. I also thought I saw something about codexes coming with QR codes to download/access PDFs so I am not sure.

  • @reddragon4482

    @reddragon4482

    Жыл бұрын

    @@oneearrabbit If it's all free i'd be ok with it but if they are going to backstep and start charging everyone for rule sets and codexes I'm going to give up on them lol.

  • @iVardensphere
    @iVardensphere Жыл бұрын

    Downside of Ashes of Faith is a fair few models in the box make you pick which of two characters you want. After building everything in the box, you still end up missing 4 or 5 characters

  • @ChernobylKid
    @ChernobylKid3 ай бұрын

    the employees at any warhammer shop are a vital factor for the hobby its always such a warm experience to talk to any clerk no other shops have that kind knowledge and love for the product and the world they are selling

  • @GreenBlueWalkthrough
    @GreenBlueWalkthrough Жыл бұрын

    I'm sorry it wasn't as you hoped and thank you for going regardless this is a great video!

  • @toma.1670
    @toma.1670 Жыл бұрын

    This reminds me of conventions. Long Ques are an indication of low to little content. If there were no lines / ques, you would see everything in 6 to 12 hours and then what is the point of the other three days?

  • @kevingreenwood1570
    @kevingreenwood1570 Жыл бұрын

    Great to meet you on the Monday. Thanks for taking the time to talk and have a picky. I agree with all your points about the event I skipped a few bits and bobs as the lines were to long. Keep up the good work.

  • @grahambandy6067

    @grahambandy6067

    Жыл бұрын

    I introduced the wife to 6th edition Warhammer....and she wrote "data cards" for all the games we played...she found it the way into the game...we did a Round Robin and she played, Empire, Bretonnia, Chaos Dwarfs, Dogs of War, Orcs and Goblins, Lizardmen etc. She found these dark cards the way in...MAKE THE NEW WARHAMMER HAVE DATA CARDS!!! IT DOES MAKE IT ACCESSIBLE!!!!!!!

  • @grahambandy6067

    @grahambandy6067

    Жыл бұрын

    This was from lockdown onwards...

  • @richardhockey8442
    @richardhockey8442 Жыл бұрын

    GW missed a trick there: they could have rented out chairs for the people in the queues (at the usual GW markup rates) '£50 per five minutes'

  • @cronykil74

    @cronykil74

    Жыл бұрын

    "Imperialis Thrones" made of finecast resin so you know every one will be wobbly 😂

  • @petequinn3511
    @petequinn3511 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the Vid. Makes me kinda glad i was working.

  • @freeRadioArmageddon
    @freeRadioArmageddon Жыл бұрын

    Crowds are why some cons don't have single day passes for the main day

  • @freeRadioArmageddon

    @freeRadioArmageddon

    Жыл бұрын

    If they only have 5 demo tables, VIP (golden throne) and Creators should have priority at said😅😅 tables

  • @freakishuproar1168
    @freakishuproar1168 Жыл бұрын

    I own a sackful of 3rd and 3.5 edition D&D books. Every single one of them credits the illustrators, writers and playtesters on an entire page dedicated to crediting the creators of the book and its lore/rules/etc.. And GW's excuse for not doing the same is that "iTs tOo hArD". Swivel on it, GW.

  • @jonharper8963
    @jonharper8963 Жыл бұрын

    I'm only 5mins in and I'm already totally in agreement! especially the reveal and conference farce! The event they used to do at Coventry was waay better, just didn't feel like there was enough to do for a day, let alone a weekend at this event.

  • @Slurgical_3D_Terrain_Channel
    @Slurgical_3D_Terrain_Channel Жыл бұрын

    I enjoy your channel, it’s one of my go to in my morning routine with coffee and bagel (lol, made a typo with bagel, it autocorrected to gaggle). Eons of Battle, your channel and Tabletop Time.

  • @Jkaes2Pence
    @Jkaes2Pence Жыл бұрын

    Was brilliant getting to meet in person, I said to a few folks it felt more of a social gathering with a convention added on the side that was decent. I was the ridiculously tall chap with baldemort outside on the Sunday 😄

  • @DiscourseMinis

    @DiscourseMinis

    Жыл бұрын

    was lovely to meet you!! :D

  • @owenlindkvist5355

    @owenlindkvist5355

    Жыл бұрын

    @@DiscourseMinis I look forward to meeting you one day

  • @piotrjeske4599
    @piotrjeske4599 Жыл бұрын

    Organisation wise it was , to put it lightly, not perfect. Nice models, good panels. But the lines were longer then they should be and some of the stuff was timed as if was only ment for VIPs . Ah and with lines like that , there should be some screens outside.

  • @D00M3R_MAVS
    @D00M3R_MAVS Жыл бұрын

    12:18 that's my friend in the Eldar cosplay closest to the camera. She's amazing as making cosplay stuff.

  • @maladictbilbiomort2778
    @maladictbilbiomort2778 Жыл бұрын

    One argument for data cards is simply that they are more easily marketable. If they focus on making sure that the cards are done on quality paper, waterproofed very well and essentially design them as actual works of art in their own right it cuts down on pirating because a pirated work will not be as good quality. Add in some elements maybe to make even personalized data cards with even formatting options on how things are put in and they might be a more stable selling item more piracy proofed than the codexes

  • @jadmurdoch1986
    @jadmurdoch1986 Жыл бұрын

    It was my first fest and I did enjoy it overall, was great to meet a bunch of folk but yea the queue's were ridiculous I didn't even attempt to wait in the 10th demo line

  • @TheNeonCaster
    @TheNeonCaster Жыл бұрын

    I admit I attended not knowing (or being interested in) anything about mainline 40k or AoS - I was there wholly to spend the whole day doing the Hobby Challenge on the Monday. And THAT turned out to be F'n rad, so it was a good time overall. Sorry to hear it wasn't so great for reveal/release stuff!

  • @DiscourseMinis

    @DiscourseMinis

    Жыл бұрын

    I saw your boss battle piece, it looked awesome! Sorry to have missed you at the event. Will you be at UKGE?

  • @TheNeonCaster

    @TheNeonCaster

    Жыл бұрын

    @@DiscourseMinis It's all good! I assumed a lot of folks would skip the Monday 😅 Absolutely will be at UKGE! I'll be sure to see you there.

  • @DiscourseMinis

    @DiscourseMinis

    Жыл бұрын

    @@TheNeonCaster sounds great :D

  • @MrHowardMoon
    @MrHowardMoon Жыл бұрын

    I watched a close friend gamble his rent payment every month and to this day, he's still gambling what money he can. It is a real addiction and should be illegal all together.

  • @josephskiles
    @josephskiles Жыл бұрын

    Can't wait to see how your models turn out in a future video

  • @Paul_Inman
    @Paul_Inman Жыл бұрын

    I have backed a couple of RPG kickstarters over the years and they always manage to credit their backers. By way of example, the Infinity RPG by Modiphius core rulebook has 7 pages of credits dedicated to the names of all the backers. None of those people worked for Modiphius and backers were allowed to actually decide HOW they wanted to be credited (i.e. it wasn't just a list of names as supplied by Kickstarter). But yeah, I can see how it would be too hard for GW to credit the names of the people who worked on any given book

  • @ericdavis4964
    @ericdavis4964 Жыл бұрын

    Sounds like going to an amusement park and waiting in line for 2-4 hours for a up to 10 minute roller coast ride would be more fun then all the waiting around at this event. At least at most amusement parks there are places to sit down and things to look at.

  • @NapoleonicWargaming
    @NapoleonicWargaming Жыл бұрын

    I cant remember being as excited about a GW release as much as i am about the inquisitor henchmen

  • @zedeyejoe
    @zedeyejoe10 ай бұрын

    Back in the day we used to print out army lists on paper. All the stats for your entire army on an A4 paper - and you gave one for your opponent as well,

  • @johnfarscape
    @johnfarscape Жыл бұрын

    The most revolutionary thing about 10th edition I data cards, that's funny as that was the core of 2nd edition which is still really popular, they might as well bring back universal special rules, psychic rules just being added abilities you can use in each phase and the other popular early rules.

  • @georgeaitken2719
    @georgeaitken2719 Жыл бұрын

    I have to admit the 10th edition figures are great but the thing that worries me is the use of individual unit cards it will mean they will be packaged with every new warhammer 40k release and box sets covering all existing units will be released separately

  • @ChristianStewart007
    @ChristianStewart007 Жыл бұрын

    I can’t believe they let you anywhere near Nottingham.

  • @DiscourseMinis

    @DiscourseMinis

    Жыл бұрын

    I snuck in :3

  • @bramwiebe7361
    @bramwiebe7361 Жыл бұрын

    I painted the DKoK Command Squad for my buddy recently. They were really nice models to paint.

  • @DiscourseMinis

    @DiscourseMinis

    Жыл бұрын

    Looks a lot of fun :)

  • @PlasticClouds
    @PlasticClouds Жыл бұрын

    The queues! My goodness. I ventured outside for the first time in ages and all there were was queues... had a great Sunday roast in Manchester tho lol

  • @HH-en6rz
    @HH-en6rz Жыл бұрын

    We had a single ticket and were in by 8.30 with everyone else so they either went back on that mistake or someone buckled. The preview was fine, we sat at the paint and take away desk while watching the preview on our phones with earphones in. Pretty great tbh. The wait times for everything was a nightmare though and needs looking at..

  • @Senbei01
    @Senbei01 Жыл бұрын

    They actually tried Datacards before (There was a Tyranid armylist printed in White Dwarf that used them) in 1st edition 40k. It never really caught on back then.

  • @davidgray4138

    @davidgray4138

    Жыл бұрын

    I know 5th Ed WHFB recommended writing your units out on cue cards… Back in the ol’ DIY days…

  • @tommo9757

    @tommo9757

    Жыл бұрын

    If I remember correctly, all the vehicles in 3rd edition (when I started playing) had datacards too

  • @theroguegeneralhunter2206
    @theroguegeneralhunter2206 Жыл бұрын

    Great Video. What did they mean about converting old WHFB units to the old world? Back in 2015 (AoS 1.0) it meant rebasing your models. Please tell me it's just a paperwork thing and not physical alterations to my collections. Also- did they say anything about game play? More similar to AoS or WHBF?

  • @ernestorodriguez3637
    @ernestorodriguez3637 Жыл бұрын

    Is there alternating activation?!

  • @tedcogley1939
    @tedcogley1939 Жыл бұрын

    Sounds like what privateer press did for warmachine / hordes. Loved having the data cards they had

  • @yankee1112
    @yankee1112 Жыл бұрын

    Totally agree with everything you said about the gambling boxes for kill team. That stuff has no place in the hobby and I’m really disappointed they’re trying to sneak it into the line and business model.

  • @Echoesofthewarp
    @Echoesofthewarp Жыл бұрын

    I left at 1:30pm but I did get to say hello to you so not a total loss 😅

  • @DiscourseMinis

    @DiscourseMinis

    Жыл бұрын

    :D

  • @martinithegr8
    @martinithegr8 Жыл бұрын

    Does games workshop use the same it company as wotc?

  • @robertgagne2388
    @robertgagne2388 Жыл бұрын

    Sad state of affairs, When the Golden Age of Gamesday seems to have been left behind. Thanx for the vid.

  • @HauntedCorpseGaming
    @HauntedCorpseGaming Жыл бұрын

    @Discourse Minis, how goes your Space Marine army? Get the primer on them yet? :D

  • @DiscourseMinis

    @DiscourseMinis

    Жыл бұрын

    plan is for this month in anticipation of 10th :D

  • @alexdoran527
    @alexdoran527 Жыл бұрын

    Thanks for the report! I'm glad I picked the UK Games Expo instead of Warhammerfest this year. It would have been one or the other for me and I feel like I've made the right choice.

  • @ryanlegros2049
    @ryanlegros2049 Жыл бұрын

    omg the latex dark elf had me rolling.

  • @anthonyducote5784
    @anthonyducote5784 Жыл бұрын

    Yooooo! I love your channel, wish i could have made it to warhammer fest! You literally give me hope of finding a really cool woman who is just as into this stuff as i am! You dont fluff stuff and call it like you see it not many other channels do that this is the highest value to me in your channel. Thank you!

  • @ChernobylKid
    @ChernobylKid3 ай бұрын

    thank you fell in love with you channel today

  • @cybermartyr8839
    @cybermartyr8839 Жыл бұрын

    I pretty much echoe everything you had to say on the event! I only had day entry for Sunday but was keeping an eye out for you to say hello but I kept on seeing FauxHammer everywhere I went instead!

  • @minacapella8319
    @minacapella8319 Жыл бұрын

    Five tables? Five? What the actual heck geedubz

  • @Uncle_Anthoni
    @Uncle_Anthoni Жыл бұрын

    Would the space marine heros boxes be closer to Pokemon cards than targeting gambling towards Children? I instantly thought of the gumball machine with "homies" when you leave the grocery store.

  • @DouglasMeloche
    @DouglasMeloche8 ай бұрын

    completely unacceptable for any hobby to not credit their contributing hobbyists... kinda the whole point THANK YOU for asking the real questions

  • @RisingApe
    @RisingApe Жыл бұрын

    Hey! Really enjoyed this video, great summary of the whole event. An organisational s**t show made amazing by the community

  • @alyssakira8320
    @alyssakira8320 Жыл бұрын

    Presumably they did it Saturday-Monday because Monday was a Bank Holiday

  • @mikewicked.x
    @mikewicked.x Жыл бұрын

    Ashes of Faith was my highlight of the reveals, but the dampener is that I only just grabbed the Chaos contents for use in Necromunda, so I hope you're right about a concurrent release of the Inq and rules with the boxed set, but I don't hold out too much hope. But hey, they surprised me once with a narrative Kill Team reveal, maybe they'll surprise me again by not trying to FOMO me.

  • @Mikey__R
    @Mikey__R Жыл бұрын

    You can't do panel interviews if you don't want your audience to see who's on the panel.

  • @malakimphoros2164

    @malakimphoros2164

    Жыл бұрын

    Interviews with hands?

  • @AVspectre

    @AVspectre

    Жыл бұрын

    ASL?

  • @Nick_Whiskey
    @Nick_Whiskey Жыл бұрын

    is 300$ a reasonable price when kings of war 2 player boxes are a third of the price and have more models i know its not fair to compare because gamesworkshop is a sculpture company and mantic are a games company, but you know.

  • @marcturmel924
    @marcturmel924 Жыл бұрын

    Perhaps this event was planned with AI so that GW don't have to pay them?

  • @georgesears934
    @georgesears934 Жыл бұрын

    3:02 I dunno if you can hear it all the way in Ireland, you may have to turn the volume up to max, but I am clapping in the background.

  • @joshcoles1255
    @joshcoles1255 Жыл бұрын

    Ngl I was pretty gutted about the Middle Earth SBG reveal. They did say they had more stuff but couldn’t show us yet so I’m hoping it’ll be worth the wait!

  • @TheRagingModeller
    @TheRagingModeller Жыл бұрын

    I went on Saturday and i did not have the best time. I was enjoying the scavenger hunt until the app crashed and I could continue. Had to start all over again so I sacked it off. The store was badly done too I think. There should’ve been a section for commemorative miniatures and a limit on the event exclusive miniatures…say 2 or 3 per person. I saw people with massive stacks of the two event exclusive models

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