There is no reason to produce codexes anymore. No other game relies on distributing their rules like this. It actively hurts their game's longevity and success.

@c-r

7 ай бұрын

It makes them more money.

@Edithae

7 ай бұрын

I was in a second hand bookshop in Scarborough yesterday and saw a big stack of pristine 9E 40K Codexes. Half a dozen hadn't even been unwrapped from the original cellophane. It's deliberate, built-in planned obsolescence on GW's part.

@jtjames79

7 ай бұрын

I'm going to distribute my rules in wiki form.

@Scrombo2

7 ай бұрын

Yes

@radiumminis

7 ай бұрын

I agree codecs aren't good for the fluff or the rules.

Honestly I like the idea of army books as just lore books with no rules. That way everyone can just get their updated army rules online and for someone like me who just likes reading the extra lore bits I still get to have fun books to read. Somehow I don't think that will happen but it's fun to think about.

@ravenRedwake

7 ай бұрын

And how to paint guides.

@brianp6859

7 ай бұрын

Yeah and the worse part? They would and could actually sell more books and make more money. 1 more players would likely buy the various "codexes" for the lore knowing they wont be scrapped in a few years. 2 GW could then add new lore that would usually get stuffed into various codex updates and instead stick them in various campaign books that are also lore, art, paint guides etc. Release 4 a year and have everyone who wants the books and art and lore will be buying them. Finally 3, imagine how many new warhammer plus subscribers they would get if they had all rules, datasheets, detachments, stratagems etc in the 40k app for 10$/month (or whatever it is in current USD price, 10 is CAD). I was curious if subbing to the app would get you the updated codex datasheets in the app and it does not. Such a wasted opportunity. So in otherwords, if I want access to every datasheet as the codexes drop i HAVE to buy all the codexes and put in the codes. Talk about pay walling your customers. I mean, i might have spent 60$ on models instead of a book and actually started a new army if they didn't put the rules out of reach. So instead I'll buy the codex and then spend 60$ to 3d print an entire army of whatever I want. It's almost like they don't want my money.

@ottocatte5297

7 ай бұрын

@@brianp6859 I have more or less gotten to a point where i don't really want to give GW my money cause they keep making kind of bad products and doing things that make little sense.

@nielsjensen4185

7 ай бұрын

I give no two shits about the lore anymore. I would like to read the rules for Drukhari since I have a massive army.

@sleed48

7 ай бұрын

won't happen i used to work for GW and i got told no rules in books would kill the lore since not enough people would buy it

The codex system made more sense twenty years ago when the internet still wasn't as prevalent. Now it just feels antiquated, like printed comic books. The only time I'll buy codexes or army books is when I see them dirt cheap at used book stores, and even then only for the lore. Also, I'm sure someone else mentioned this already, but Asmodai's new model is based on the first edition cover art of Angels of Darkness by Gav Thorpe, which was the DA's first novel. It was decent, not amazing, but it did introduce us to Astelan, who is kind of like the DA's Erebus.

Whilst watching the video, something truly horrifying occurred to me. Geedubs have turned their games into Live Service Games The FOMO, the big investments, the seasons. It's just Live Service, but on a tabletop. It's terrible, and it's going to bite them in their arses

@MoonLitChild

7 ай бұрын

For all the monetary success live service games are providing other games, as long as there's people who buy this shit, it's not going to bite them in the ass enough to make GW change how they do things. It hasn't worked for Overwatch, or Diablo IV, or even goddamn Destiny, as much as the industry stepped on their own dicks with Destiny in particular. It's nice to hope that GW will change how they do things but I don't think they will

The index cards were such a wasted opportunity. Imagine if every new model had their index card in the box. No need to buy new Codices just for the new models. But it’s GW, so it would mean less money for them.

@Ageing_Grognard_

7 ай бұрын

Made me think of the golden days, mid/ late 80s, when you bought a box of miniatures and the rules and lore were on the back of the box...sadly this also means I am old and going grey

@LordFueFue

2 ай бұрын

I would have boosted the codex for formations and special rules in cohesion with other models or characters. . . Make the model have cards for the units and use the codex for the formations and special rules. . . The free cards had one formation for every army. . . That's the way to keep everyone happy. . . Casual play off the one formation and buy new models with the cards. Competitive play buy codexes and the unit specific to the special rules and formations they are trying to sell.

Man, I've just come back to have a peek at the hobby after like 5-6 years. HOLY CRAP! IT'S GOTTEN INSANELY EXPENSIVE WTF!

@karsten_m

7 ай бұрын

Yeah, same. Prices have nearly doubled or more. And they still have the f*ing mold lines🤬

@SymbioteMullet

7 ай бұрын

You whippersnappers, when i started playing you could get a phoenix lord for £7.50! That was 25 years ago though...

@PatGilliland

7 ай бұрын

Well lad, it sounds like you are ready for historicals. ;)

@Nempo13

7 ай бұрын

This is why you 3d print SpaceMace stuff. Every game store I go to has 3d printers you can rent and they have hundreds of files to choose from, and if you buy the model file you want printed you get yours printed first for free if you let them have the file. That is right, you do not buy the model or pay for the files they already have...you rent the 3d printer and pay for the material used. They run it for you and give you the model when it is done (pick it up next day usually). Honestly, I haven't seen an official GW model used in a 40k or fantasy game in YEARS. No one uses the current rules either, they use one page or they use old version rules that were properly balanced before they 'updated' them. The past 2-3 codex seasons have basically been GW changing the meta regularly in order to force people to buy whole new armies or at least force you to swap out units and earn some extra money from you.

@oceanbrown7159

7 ай бұрын

​@Nempo13 Whats the good models for Krieg proxies and stationary weapons and horses and all that fun stuff. I already got the super heavy tanks.

Expecting GW to take feedback (other than whales) seriously is about as realistic as expecting them to playtest properly before releasing new rules

@robertmccann9631

7 ай бұрын

Damn some real negativity here, I was not expecting that in a youtube comment section.

@pascalpierre6658

7 ай бұрын

I mean.. I don't wanna be that guy (and I agree that the codex-situation must change) but the game is more balanced now, according to statistics, than last edition. And I remember times when some armies were just plain unplayable and had to be heavily restricted by tournaments.. So.. Yeah. People also enjoy crying.

@schroecat1

7 ай бұрын

This is why we still play 2nd edition 40k, or even RT in places.

It’s funny I had to explain to my friend, that he couldn’t just subscribe to the 40K app to get the rules and data sheets for space marines. And the worst thing is they won’t go digital anytime soon because it will become so apparent to everyone of how worthless the rules are, imagine they try to charge you 40 euro to get a pdf of one set of rules for a single army 😂 Iv not yet bought a codex, I don’t think I could ever bring myself to do it.

I'm attempting to buy my first home, and I'm having to clear out and throw away stuff I don't use. I have piles and piles of old GW rulebooks and codices - most are in good condition, having only been used a few times - that I'm going to have to throw into the recycling bin because they're essentially worthless. What a huge waste of money. I now retire some of my armies each edition, it simply isn't worth buying books for all of them.

@grahamdbailey

7 ай бұрын

I'd suggest donating them to a local charity rather than binning them.

@tim192837645

7 ай бұрын

@@grahamdbailey Is there any point to that, though? The books are obsolete, I can't imagine anyone being interested in them. It would feel like offloading my burden onto the charity.

@elwood9924

7 ай бұрын

There's is a bit of a market for the old books and stuff. Nostalgia for the old art work, alot of kids from the old eras now with adult money looking for that old hit, collectors too.

@tim192837645

7 ай бұрын

@@elwood9924 Most of my stuff isn't that old (already got rid of my pre-8th edition stuff) so I doubt it will be of much interest, but you do raise some good points. Maybe next time Im in the area I'll go in one as ask if they want them.

@FoldingChairJonson

7 ай бұрын

What do you have? If you are throwing away I'll accept. I'm a big collector of old lore.

The last Kill Team season can't have sold lower than expectation. The last 3 boxes sold out in MINUTES or less.

As an old Tomb Kings player I am.. conflicted.. about that bone dragon. Sure, we have the Bone Giants, but those are explicitly constructs made from bone, wood and metal, not a re-animated giant, similar to the Screaming Skull Catapults. I'm sure they'll have lore that justifies it, but I agree a construct would have fit them better, as they don't really dabble in necromancy.

@skeith1543

7 ай бұрын

they literally drag the souls of their warriors and carrion back into the world. forced back into their bodies to fight or to power the statues. that's about as necromancy as you can get.

@Riddler_von

7 ай бұрын

Ashwastes is amazing

@Riddler_von

7 ай бұрын

How do you know genestealer limos but not Elysian venators. Wow

@ExileTwilight

7 ай бұрын

@@Riddler_von Why are you commenting on my thread..?

@ExileTwilight

7 ай бұрын

@@skeith1543 The difference is that they do not reanimate any random skeleton they find, they only reanimate the bodies of their loyal soldiers, bound by oaths. It's the progenitor of necromancy in a fashion, but it's distinct in it's function. Regardless it's important to not muddle normal fantasy definitions with Warhammer's definitions.

They could f.ex. balance and test all game rules for all factions in advance using f.ex. cardboard mockups with new units (also do basic concept art for all units), and release all of the (in-house and volunteer) play tested and generally balanced rules for all the factions at the start of the edition. Between editions, this process can be ongoing in the background to keep all game design specialists fed. Then, they could just update the models of the individual units from almost all factions all the time until every/sufficient number of units have been covered; f.ex. this month we'll get new Necron Primaris Warriors, Space Marine Ungabungas, Sisters of Battle BBQ tank, and some new Eldar ass-pec warriors. Then some extra income from art book style lore/gallery/fluff books to whet the appetite. If there are absolutely critical issues with the rules, release a printable PDF errata (i.e. maybe once or twice per edition); if the balance issues etc. are not critical, just collect notes and do the changes in the next edition for all factions. People who play factions will be happy and get to use the same rules in the long haul, you can release variety of models all the time, you get money in from almost all the player base, the community stays consistently more active driving in more new players, and then the fluffy artsy books will bring in some extra income to fill in the void of codices. But yeah, that's just my random take on how it could maybe be improved.

I really appreciate you taking the time to critique the models so thoroughly. It's very hard for a company to fix their issues without valuable feedback. Good work

@alfredpotts6136

7 ай бұрын

“It's very hard for a company to fix their issues without valuable feedback.“ Do GW ever listen to feedback? Not that I’ve ever noticed over the last 20 years.

@DungeonsNDreadnoughts

7 ай бұрын

@@alfredpotts6136 I don't disagree. I was seeing the value in what she provided. Wishing I had feedback like that myself

@pocketoniofficial

7 ай бұрын

​@DungeonsNDreadnoughts the problem is that creating content around this idea of provided feedback that we universally agree GW doesn't even listen to in the first place just makes it seem like near pointless constant bitching

@DungeonsNDreadnoughts

7 ай бұрын

@@pocketoniofficial Companies like ours listen

@pocketoniofficial

7 ай бұрын

@@DungeonsNDreadnoughts yeah, but we're not talking about your company at literally any point, so its irrelevant.

Honestly the problem isn't the codex cycle, it's the edition cycle. being the last game faction to get a codex book during a game edition is only a problem if there's another game edition that comes afterwards, and even that's only if you decide to adopt the other game edition in the first place, which is entirely your own choice. I play 2004hammer and 6th edition Warhammer (and Battlefleet Gothic, but that one doesn't have codexes/army books), and all of the army books I have for both those games are going to be perfectly usable from here to judgement day. I can expect them to give me decades more fun gameplay experiences, and the exact order they might have been published in has no bearing on that anymore. A lot of GW's practices lose all power if you just let go of the FOMO, pick an edition and stick with it.

I'm pretty sure that the Asmodai sculpt is based upon an old piece of art (2nd or 3rd edition - inside the codex, not the cover). I think it might have been used for one of those Dark Angels novels that Gav Thorpe wrote.

The Codex system worked in the 90s, just about, when the armies weren't all that well-established, and so the Codex was an opportunity to add a lot more background and models to each army. You had the rules all in one place, and they weren't changed straight away by an errata, or a balance update. That was better than having the rules spread over half a dozen White Dwarf issues. But in a digital age, of rules being updated and changed, it just doesn't work the same way. As an aside, GW really hate this idea that people are "Eldar players", or "Space Wolf players", and only interested in new things for that army. They're desperate for people to get that second army, and then a third, and then a few random other models, etc, and not be tied to just one army. Personally, I crossed that rubicon a long time ago, and I find it hard to settle to one thing at a time to finish it off, but GW don't really want to do things that will help people to stay in their silo - unless that silo is the vast space marine one - because they want people to make the plunge to the next army.

@SymbioteMullet

7 ай бұрын

Heh, i know what to do, I'll play everything _except_ space marines! That'll show them!!!

@3Xero3

7 ай бұрын

I feel people historically have accepted the recurring codex purchase requirement for their army, which is an easier pill to swallow if you only play with one army. I think the codex requirement still being a thing today discourages branching off into owning multiple armies. Additionally, it discourages newer players jumping into the hobby.

@timothyharnedy4495

7 ай бұрын

I think it's solely the price point that's a problem for the scenarios that you raise. I might have the details slightly wrong, but I bought a lot of the 6th edition fantasy army books, and 4th edition codexes, which is when I think they were £10 each, in ~2001. Inflation would have taken that price to £18 today, but instead they are asking £35 for each one. The price is too high for someone to buy it out of curiosity. I really think it's an example of where GW, by pushing the profit margin too far, they're acting against their own interests a bit. Though it seems weird to say that when their profit margin was >40% in their most recent quarter.

@mikehammer4018

7 ай бұрын

@@timothyharnedy4495 I absolutely agree with your point. Back in the day, I collected codexes. Didn't matter the faction, I just bought them as they came out. Partly because I was young and without bills, but mostly because they were softcover and inexpensive for the perceived value. Fast forward 25+ years (holy heck, somehow I managed to get old!), and I don't have a single current codex. The most recent one I got was for Knights in ninth, because I had a hard time wrapping my brain around the rules interactions and found that paper rules really helped in that regard. Otherwise, my codexes are from 7th and 8th. I think what really killed me was when GW released a "codex update" for space marines midway through an edition cycle because they couldn't get a handle on codex creep. Those big-brains in Nottingham then started messing with model point values regularly in a near-futile attempt to "balance" the game - or even change the faction rules themselves... and sometimes within only a few weeks of the book being released! Nope. This has gotten out of control. There are a few things that are in a codex: rules, point costs, lore, and pictures. All of which are now easily and quickly searchable on the internet. Once GW got so bad I started looking elsewhere for something to replace their overpriced, under-playtested, and sometimes just inaccurate codexes... well, it just started to go downhill (from their perspective) from there. Once their business practices jailbroke me from their hobby prison, a whole world of possibilities I'd only peripherally known became open to me. The only GW things I've bought in the last year has been paint. And they did it to themselves...

Regarding the Tauros Venator: Its an existing vehicle that was formerly a Forgeworld resin kit for the Elysian Drop troops, and came with either twinlinked multi-lasers or twinlinked lascannons. It also has a smaller version, with only 4 wheels, called the Tauros Assault Vehicle with a heavy flamer or an automatic grenade launcher.

I'd be well up for a Necromunda style RUC Landrover, maybe even a move from the Ash Wastes to an inner city setting.

As far back as 4th edition Warhammer had mentions of the Field of Bone, where the dragons of old went to die. It was where necromancers used to go to get their Zombie Dragons... so the Skelly Dragon isn't too far out of leftfield.

Still not as bad as being an ork player in the 2000's era. Two codexes in 19 years between 1999-2018 spanning five editions with only a few minor supplements to introduce new units. Forgeworld was practically required if you wanted something different. I also don't understand how anyone is paying for GW these days. The prices of boxes have gotten insane and these megabox batch releases for multiple hundreds is way worse than a unit here or there for a slightly less painful pound of flesh price.

They way GW distributes rules is the reason my gaming group play a highly modified version of 9th. I don’t think I will ever buy a new rule book or codex again. We will just turn 9th into a game we enjoy playing. I also don’t see myself buying any more of their models, with plenty of 3rd party offerings and a 3D printer why would I waste my money. I was able to print a full 2k point knight army for $200 and they are unique sculpts that I like more then the hunched over GW options.

@Nempo13

7 ай бұрын

Every game store I know lets you rent their 3d printers and you only pay for the time and materials, they have hundreds of files and will set it up for you. Clean them up and have them ready when they are done. Extra cost? Honestly not much more than your $200. This is in EVERY game store I have around me. I haven't seen an official GW model in a game in years, and most use one page or older rules. 8th, 9th, and 10th all had massive meta shifts to force people to buy new models every 4-6 months. 7th is when the armies were balanced and tournaments saw almost every faction appear in them and wins from every faction happened. Most places use 7th edition with some of the 8th and 9th flavor rules if they were fun and interesting additions.

Hint: next campaign book is dark angels vs orks. Cause they are the next major codices to be released in spring 2024.

The Necrons are NOT getting new characters in the Codex. Orikan and Imhotekh are old characters getting new sculpts. Necrons ARE LOSING THREE CHARACTERS.

Dude, love these thumbnails.

@DiscourseMinis

7 ай бұрын

thx

Every kill team box sold out in minutes throughout all of the into the dark season. When they got boxed seperate, they sold out again. When they made new rules cards they sold out, then sold out when they got restocked. Kill Team is doing fine.

Leave the dark angel’s “rod” alone, l bet he has a great personality 😁

You are looking good keep up the good work 👍

The codex model continues to confound me... but I also think it's a weird thing to say "players will get bored of the game unless a new codex for their army comes out"... not because it's not true, but because it's sort-of an artificially and insidiously created problem. No other game that I'm aware of staggers its army revisions in this way, and just purely on a basic logical level it's immediately apparent why it's a problem: it all but guarantees a perpetual state of game imbalance and dissatisfaction with the status quo. This sounds like it should be a disaster for the game but it works as a psychological trick to create dependency. Players don't get bored of their army because they haven't had new rules in a year... but more specifically because they don't have new rules AND they see all the other factions selectively getting cool new stuff on a regular basis due to the release schedule and it makes them envious. Then when their interest is waning because monthly releases of everyone else's faction makes them feel neglected, the psychological effect of finally getting some attention with a new release makes it all the more irrestable... the miniature gaming equivalent to the cult/abusive relationship tactic of "Love Bombing" and then withdrawing affection.

Codexes? Why change a winning* formula! *moneymaking

THEY KILLED THE REMAINING NECRON CHARACTERS I AM MAD

You get the feeling the dark angels and night lords are going to be put in a battle box or the next kill team box

@CousinOfCurze

7 ай бұрын

With the Eldar refresh apparantly on the way they better put those in a box with the Night Lords. I need Decimus to butcher some Ulthwe knife ears and the lore that they just left hanging after the omnibus needs a continuation.

13:03 The "rod" is a Crosius, a Chaplain's badge of office as well as a potent power weapon.

The biggest problem with Mono-pose models, that was only touched on slightly, is how awkward they look if you get more than one. There's no incentive to buy more than one of something if they're just going to look identical. Sure, you could paint them differently, but most players will only have one army of any given faction, so they're limited/uninterested in this regard. But also, if multiple players in an area play the same army, their armies are going to look very samey to each other. Imagine three players all bring their Flesh eater Courts armies along. How confusing would it be for any of them to play against each other?

Or in the case of Raven Guard: constipated ballerinas.

I don't mind tactical rocks. Especially if they can be easily removed. They offer an opportunity to make a model that does not stand on an even ground. Useful for scenic bases. However, as a sculptor myself, I am usually doing my tactical objects something more setting-relevant. (for instance, a tactical beakie)

The tauros venator is an old Elysian drop trooper vehicle. And if they stay the same size as the old FW model it's maybe half the size of the ridgerunner. Just so people know how small it actually is

Oh boy! Waiting a YEAR to know the rules for my army!!! This is why I switched to one page rules.

'New' necromunda vehicle is a plastic version of old Elysian vehicle from FW. At last! Brave Elysians!

As a casual player who's slowly been collecting Drukhari, I think I'm done with this hobby. Half the range is still in resin and is only available during limited print runs. We're consistently the worst-performing faction in 10th and recently received a nerf. Like... what? I genuinely feel insulted by GW and I dare say I hate this company, they don't deserve the loyalty they receive or your money.

@telleryoutube4458

7 ай бұрын

go to OPR, its better for us lol

I love your reviews and the way you are both balanced and frank in your takes, it shows the passion while keeping the review on the open side of things for the viewer to make their own opinions! I was wondering, since you are so knowledgeable, have you ever considered making your own tabletop miniature wargame and the costs to keep it soaring? Because that’s something I’d like you discuss too - when you have some spare time! Cheers!

I suspect the weirdness scattershot of releases in the second half of this year is a result of whatever delayed Legions Imperialis completely disrupting their marketing & release schedule

@DiscourseMinis

7 ай бұрын

yeah you're probably right! their pipeline has been off key since covid

8:54 "Why are bones white? Calcium. Calcium's the answer." -hard hitting Discourse science commentary 12:53 "Craaaaawwwling in my skin / These wooouuunds they will not heaaaaal." -Millenial dog whistle 13:53 Ball jokes. More ball jokes... And I thought this was a FAMILY channel...

As a Votann player, it sucks knowing we probably won't see anything for over a year. We have half an army right now, and with the release of 10th, they stripped away a bunch of flavor and synergy from the army. They just feel like worse space marines, instead of an elite, tough, shooty army like they should be. The army was consistently performing poorly, and GW's solution was "buy more models from us to put on the table" with the points decreases.

Every KT box from the previous season sold out almost immediately (maybe besides the first one which might've had more copies printed),

For terminators being rare and expensive armors, GW seems to think we need to drown in a mountain of terminator armor

I'm right there with you. I feel like they lied when they said you wouldn't need to buy codices to play the game. Sure, if you parse the words, like this is some legal matter, you can play with just the basic detachment rules for your army, but you have to pay to get any other detachments (at least if you were to play in a GW sanctioned tournament). Plus, they paywalled the "free" access on their new app, tying it to Warhammer+ subscriptions. I too love the new sculpts, but I'm wary of their exorbitant price increases and the stupidity of their "roadmap" that basically creates a flavor of the month (well, quarter of the year) as they trickle out army rules.

Eldar players: "Are we a joke to you?"

I bought the Guard Index. I’m happy to get some use out of it before it’s made redundant with a new codex.

Good afternoon it's 11:30am my time . . .

@GardeniaCreations

7 ай бұрын

10:30 for me, friend

Great video and some good suggestions on how factions could receive more timely and potentially fairer updates. Releasing detachments monthly and making sure every faction has their second detachment before rolling out the third is a great idea. Instead we have a few armies with 6 ways to play while some will be stuck with 1 until the end of the addition (Votann and Thousand Sons are not even on the road map yet). And just updating the rules in the app might encourage me to subscribe instead of having to buy a codex, because right now it’s A or B. Final point, is for those codexes that only come at the end of the edition…these should at the very least be proportionally cheaper in accordance with the lifespan of the edition, so if you only have 6 months of play then it’s only worth £6. Next video might cover the extortionate cost of Warhammer minis! I love them but I’m closing my wallet and saving up for just those I really, really want and otherwise looking at other game options. Currently I have an interest in Tomb Kings, the rumoured Kroot and Votann updates and Skaven if they get a refresh for 4th edition AoS. But I won’t be buying them all, which I might have done 2 years ago! In my opinion the excessive price increases means I will spend proportionately less and this is where the Warhammer playing community is now headed.

I think those new ghouls all look pretty neat, I'll probably make them my primary Death army. Crazy mutants are a lot more intriguing than a bunch of undead.

@KrullMaestaren

7 ай бұрын

All undead are fun, some of these ghoul sculpts were just 11 out of 10. Personally just wish that they had given the troops and bat riders a bit more cloth and armor like that priest as an example

@rootsnootthnute8598

7 ай бұрын

@PatrikKotirantaLundberg Yeah, it would set them apart from the rabble a bit more, though I bet a bit of greenstuff would make for some good cloaks on them.

I really feel the 40K codex issue: I play Blood Angels and Grey Knights. They aren't even on the roadmap yet...

Isn't the Dark Angel the cover of the old codex?

30k jump troops is an absolutely massive deal to HH players.

How to make thumbnails for this channel: Hold hair and look worried. Create "shocking" title. Do your best impersonation of Chicken Little. Wash, rinse, repeat.

Hummmm, Batman, Dark Aldar, Vampires, BLACK TEMPLARS . I seem to be detecting a pattern hete. 😃

Have they explained why Tomb Kings are even in The Old World? Isn’t it focused on ….the old world? Not the area where Tomb Kings and Lizardmen are located?

@jezandu

7 ай бұрын

Tomb kings are in the old world. In the north of the southlands. Lizard men are on a different continent called Lustria.

Soooooooo, when do we get to see your Systers army ? ? ? 😀

lets come back to this video in a years time, and see how the release system has affected player numbers. i collect three 40k armies, none of which have been mentioned on any roadmap so far. i can guarantee i'll still be playing when and after their codices are released. i'll also probably start new ones.

After hearing the flesheater courts referred to as the Intellectual Dark Web my mind auto corrected "Cryptguard" to "Cryptoguard" and I kinda don't know how to feel right now. I might have talked about this in the past, but I in concept like the codex system in that it's a whole book about your faction with art and stories and stuff. Except during my reading of every Skaven codex in fantasy (I haven't gone through all of AoS yet so I can't comment on any improvement) I noticed that it was getting more and more slim on those details. Previous editions included the entire Doom of Kavzar, later editions only included a summery. One early edition had a full original Thanquol story, later ones reserved that for premium books like End Times or black library stuff. And then I saw that my two main factions, Tyranids and Skaven, had (in 40k 8/9th and AoS 2/3) both had an occasion where their codices had the same artwork between expansions. I even bought the wrong Tyranid book at one point. They keep their artists secret so they don't have to pay them well, yet even with that exploitative system they reuse the same assets for COVERS on multiple occasions. It really makes it feel like they don't care. So basically my problem isn't codices, it's that they feel phoned in and don't offer any of the positives that they used to. It's not even just GW doing the same old thing. It's them doing the same old thing consistently worse! Now, again, I haven't read AoS, maybe those Skaven battletomes are amazing and correct course some. But I really noticed a steady decline in contend as WHFB's Skaven army books went on.

I used to play loads as a kid back in the 90's and lost touch due to other commitments. About year back I started looking to get back into the games I used to play. But the biggest blocker is the change in editions, seemingly constant updates and obsolete investments. The sculpts are so much better. I've settled on just doing bit of painting.

As a AoS player I have not had a problem transporting models and I have ten armies. I have two massive bins that are high enough to store four stormdrake guards and two separate totes for my other models.

I recently made a post about how annoying it is that GW drags out these Codex releases because it's unfair to those people who have to wait the longest. Someone responded that one of the best ways to still be able to play the game is to play an edition before the current edition. The rules are outdated but at least there are even rules to use until all the new rules come out. I like that approach.

paying for rules is a thing of the past.

None of the necron characters are new. They're just replacements for old fine-cast kits. We actually lost a few characters, including the vanilla Lord, which is a right shame

They have an app and source material to update point costs and special abilities. . . So why not just include the datasheet or unit card with the models. . . I really do like the bundled codex and card with a named character, two troop choices and some new eletes models though. . . Sad the guard got one last, glad the Dark Angels got them first

I would like in depth analysis of your favorites. Especially for the eweet looking 'minis'

Well, there is similar situation in AoS now. Like with Crusade, 2 out of 3 Dawnbringers books contain Path to Glory stuff (AoS counterpart for Crusade) only suited for Cities of Sigmar faction, so these common campaign books (that looks like could be useful for everyone) basically just accompanied Cities of Sigmar release. I expect that 4th installment in Dawnbringers would start something similar but now only for Flesheaters...

As a guard player, the shit they pulled with the codex in 9th soured me to the point I haven’t even touched 10th. Haven’t played a game or bought a GW product since the guard release. And this is years after I bought the skitarii special edition codex that was invalidated in 6 months after release. The codex system shits up the works for everyone and they need to figure out how to give everyone fair and even rules from day 1.

Next year is the new edition of kill team. So it feels like they are holding back for the new edition.

I agree with having free space on the models. When I look at those Phobos guys with the ornaments and embellishments I'd have preferred less of that. That way a plainer model would complement camouflages painting patterns. Mark 6 power armor is still the best when it comes to that.

With KT it's weird. The season theme got me thinking that we'll be getting a new release each quarter and it was kind of true for the first one (I note when I buy stuff, so for me it was Octarius in September 2021, then Chalnath in November 2021, Nachmund in March 2022, Morach in June 2022). In the second year of the game it got weird: Into the Dark in September (on track, I'd say), then Shadowvaults in October, Soulshackle in February and then Gallowfall and Ashes of Faith both in May. The last three fomo boxes were sold out in minutes, Shadowvaults was gone fast as well, I think. Into the Dark was AFAIR available for a bit, and maybe they started to produce less boxes because of that? But yeah, we got the news on the new box and then another team (we don't even know if it's going to be in the next big box or a solo release). A for 40k, I totally understand your point of view - in June, everyone was in the same boat - new rules for all the factions, for free, with a single detachment per army. And now some armies have a buttload of detachments (and as you've mentioned in a previous video, free rules for those armies vanished from the website) and some will be stuck with their single one for a year or more, which can be frustrating and make people leave the game

Put the boxes with savings out, and release the individual kits at the same time. It gives people who want it all a deal, and it lets the others puck and choose as they like.

Those termy knights should have come with the Lion. That or the blade guard with him should have had those shields imo.

@Mugdorna

7 ай бұрын

But then GW wouldn't have got your cash for both boxed set.........

The Nightlords are well timed, they've just become a major enemy in my Only War game. I totally agree with you regarding the possibility of genestealering that Necromunda vehicle.

It would have been interesting if each edition the same mini characters were posed slightly different from the previous showing some form of stop motion.

Ever since chapter house GW cant have rules for a model that's not currently for sale. Codexes just cant drop before the models do. They could drop the idea of a codex entirely and have unit rules in the box but I dont see that happening

omg i just saw it did they use the mark 3 with the mark 6 heads?

11:52 I don’t know much about necormunda except that it was a more in depth kill team like game before kill team came out. Are they trying to make it into 40K/army size with vehicles and stuff?

I completely agree. Codexes are obsolete and some even before they are released! To me, Codexes should be a cool collector's item with lore and other interesting things about your faction and maybe even painting ideas. Rules and points should not be contained within a printed book only to be changed moments after release. But instead, it should be free digitally and available to all. That way they can be easily adjusted and don't make the printed books useless

9th and the trickle of codexes killed 40K for me. We were all promised new models, and as a IK player, got nothing, just a slightly more expensive re-boxing. Still love the majority of the fluff and lore, and will still be reading Black Library for decades... But sold my knights after years of indifference and lack of interest and enthusiasm for the game.

The 30k jump troops are not the same, as you even then said 😂 much prefer the 30k ones 😊

They were the cheapest army till now

I like a lot of the niche Kill Team sets because I can sort of imagine putting them into other games and having them be obscure enough that they could stand for other things without evoking the more famous factions, so there's utility even if you can't get a 40K game going. I tried to look up Kill Team and see what it was about on the site but I feel like things may not be updated on there, I dunno. Like you go to the shop and there are almost no mini sets, I guess you're supposed to check your local store instead? I don't envy people new to this trying to figure out what to do without someone more experienced to guide them...

Bitter guard player here. Thank you for the shoutout. I 100% agree with you on the state of 10th. Huge missed opportunities

I'm just waiting for someone to make STLs for upscaled 40k-era firstborn. Assault Marines need the giant straps across their chest, otherwise I can't believe they'll stay attached to their jump pack.

The Dark Angel's terminators look a lot like Grey Knights.

At my local shop we’ve been saying they should add some faction rules to white dwarf so there’s actually a reason to buy them. But codex’s are only part of their issue right now, they can’t stock shelves with product. I was waiting 4 months for junith to even be available on their store, my local shop had 24 hours to decide and pay for the Xmas boxes he wanted and he wouldn’t find out what he would actually get until the following week when they would reimburse him for what he didn’t get but had to pay for. And since he’s a smaller store he couldn’t put down that kind of money within 24 hours for a maybe.

@Morrodin182

7 ай бұрын

I have a hard disagree on faction rules in White Dwarf ... it would only mean you are forced to buy a magazine which is otherwise unneeded. I do agree that they are severely underproducing most of their releases. Imho there are only two options: or make less new releases so that you can make enough of them or allow people to place an buy order once the produced stock ran out, at least during the week of the prerelease. Now it gets a bit dumb. If you do not log in on their site and buy it within 30 minutes after it becomes available, there is not much point of even checking.

it was literally flesh eater court which is all about ghouls

The false scarcity woke me up into the absolute con 40K has become. False scarcity, FOMO, and useless rule books due to rules being updated too frequently. Plus the rules these days are too simplified and dumbed down.

My head spun when I “heard” Vampire C**ts 😅

I have to say that if it weren't for all the codex and card bundling in a lot of army sets, I'd probably buy a lot of these army sets, but having to deal with or sell on the extra unnecessary stuff is too much effort for someone who might just never build the models I wanted in the first place anyway.

GW in the 90s; HERE'S RULES FOR COOL UNITS THAT WE DONT EVEN HAVE MODELS FOR, TED IN ACCOUNTING JUST THOUGHT THEY'D BE FUN AND INTERESTING GW now; HaVe tO WaIt FoR BoOoOoOoOoOok (book also outdated like a month after release)

@notaninquisitor7274

7 ай бұрын

book is outdated a month before release

@Scrombo2

7 ай бұрын

@@notaninquisitor7274 oh shit u right, srry, I was being too nice

Oldschool Necrons gang! ✊

I am looking forward to the eldar vs. scouts killteam and that Night lords KT actually had me thinking of starting up a third army. I am also looking forward to the Asmodai and DW Knights releases as a new DA collector. I just hope the new combat patrol box for the Dark Angels isn't shit like the admech one

I miss the vs boxes. It was how i got into the hobby. Getting to split a box of Sisters for me and Drukhari with another in my LGS

The chaos daemons players we didnt even got a new miniature in 9th, they just put the khorne altar from AoS and call it a day

Everything told very insightfull. Keep doing what your doing and idd the whole codex structure too rules is highly outdated and bloated with it's pricing and content we dont need.

Considering how quickly the kill team boxes sold last year, I don't think kill team underselled. Also did you seriously just call ORIKIN THE DIVINER a random necron? What!

hot take: tactical rocks are great, and more models should have them. jokes aside, Iike tactical rocks because it gives models that are dynamically posed and would otherwise have tiny connection points to the base more surface area to work with. I always cover up the molded terrain with textured paste to give the base a more unified look, but having little piles of dirt or a rock under the model's feet is pretty handy when it comes to glueing the model onto the base. wish eldar models had them, because those feet are TINY! on the other hand, stuff like jump troops balancing on pipes sticking out of the ground is just silly.