It is so incredible to see that someone 1. creates good content and then 2. answers every single question in the comments. That really means a lot to all of us who don't have any option to see or test these products irl so we rely completely on internet reviews which is why we kinda need to have all boxes checked when buying expensive products such as trainers. As for the Core someone on DCR blog posted an answer from Wahoo in which they said that these power issues are high priority for firmware update. So all might be well with this product in the end.

@gplama

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words MP. I try my best with the follow ups and questions. It's something a lot of other cycling media don't do. Wahoo Megan posted some great news about what they've found with the CORE in regards to the overshoot. I'll post an update as soon as I've tested it out and collected the data.

Thanks Shane! Yours and DC work on this has been appreciated. This trainer is for one for me, quiet and I don’t need to sprint on TR, so I’m more than happy with it.

almost two years since you posted this @GPLama, and this is still useful! thank you!

This video is 2.5 years old, yet I just watched this video a few days ago and pulled the trigger on this bike trainer yesterday. Did an initial Ramp test on TrainerRoad with it and WOW I love it! I am coming from the Saris M2 wheel-on smart trainer. Just like Shane said, when you stop pedaling for even just 3-5 strokes, that trainer would completely halt and just punished you as you tried to get back up to speed/power. My favorite part of the Kickr Core. It is SOO silent. Really all you hear is the sound of the chain and drivetrain like you would hear out on the road. It is incredible because you can play music, podcasts, or Netflix shows at 1/4th the volume level that I used to have to play them at with my old trainer.

The zwift racing crew gonna love these overshoots.

@NeuralEngin33r

3 жыл бұрын

I bet the peddles are undershooting. How could the kickr core be early? It can't predict that he is about the sprint. On the otherhand, the pedals show some lag or hysteresis, which is typical of a strain gauge. I'll be the Kikr is right and the peddles are overly smoothed and possibly showing hysteresis. Hard to know though.

I bought this today all set up and ready for spin down tomorrow super excited

Just went to the local bike shop and the core was amazing.

For those of us in frozen Canada, we are taking our bikes off the road at this point in the year anyways, so I was able to take my cassette off my road wheel and throw it on my new core without any issues - nullified any of my concerns about the increased cost of the cassette-less core vs other mid-tier trainers as I'll be able to postpone the cost of a new cassette until the spring. Plus, it gave me an excuse to give my gears a good spit shine :P

What a cracking channel this is. SO it seems the 2018 Kickr smart is worth the extra money

Been waiting for this :)

The overshoot on sprints is totally worth noting, especially if people do not have another power meter to work with. As for what I'm looking for (gradient simulation because I live in the Great Plains of the U.S. with no option for climbing), it sounds like it will totally fit the bill. Plus, I've had great experiences with Wahoo products and their support for them (both in tickets and regular firmware updates). Consider the trigger pulled on this one. Cannot wait to Zwift!

@kidsafe

5 жыл бұрын

I see the same thing on my Hammer vs my other power meters. I wonder if the overshoots are the same at high flywheel speed / lower resistance vs low flywheel speed / high resistance.

@Nomgoose

5 жыл бұрын

Interesting. That may be the case and could be while both Ray and Shane think this could be addressed with firmware.

Man, you sure hit the watts out there getting that green jersey. Even your garmin was knocked down by it 😅@7:39 thanks again for your extensive research and digging deep into the all the new tech that is out there!

Thanks Shane, very good review (as usual) and one that I've been looking forward to. Will be watching with interest to see if Wahoo release a firmware update to address the overshoots. Especially now the Lama has shown it here. Good point as well that cost should factor the cassette and cadence sensor which does adjust the total price if you don't have those already.

I'm surprised that they messed up on the leg positions. They did a great job with the regular Kickr in getting the footprint centered under the axle. It is an easy fix to offset the holes in the legs to make it set the bike on the true center. If people find the asymmetrical layout to be a problem, a warranty killer to re-drill the holes in the proper location is a relatively quick solution. Just didn't expect them to make that silly of a mistake.

@jubilantyogurt

5 жыл бұрын

Or get your own metal rods, drill a hole in them, install them and done deal. No warranty void

@Chader9

5 жыл бұрын

@@jubilantyogurt good call :D

Thank you for review, was waiting for it to see if there are some hidden issues with Core before I order. Sprint overshoot is weird but it won't affect me too much as I don't need that kind of precision + imho it isn't that big of a problem for training if it always overshoots, it would be a bigger problem if it was getting unstable (sometimes overshoot, sometimes undershoot) at higher wattage. It could be unfair on Zwift tho. It's gonna be my first trainer, can't wait to get it.

Thanks, Shane. Really helpful.

10/10 review. awesome!

yeaaah! Lama Green Jersey!

Thanks. Excellent info as usual.

Great review. Thank you

Shane, mate...I have the kickr Snap and with this review got me thinking a bit. I may have to upgrade. Again, excellent review and good to see Wahoo trolling your reviews and taking initiative to analyse and rectify the issue.

@dh7314

5 жыл бұрын

I was considering upgrading from Snap to Core, but for the difference (selling the snap and buying the Core) I could get some Assioma pedals. That feels like a better investment to me and the Snap has been faultless.

Nice one Shane!

#ZwiftRiders Thanks for helping choosing my trainer.

Great video and it helped me make a decision, thank you GPL. Weirdly when I am off the bike, and operate the climb down, the core drags itself forward and the legs of the core come together. Then when I put the climb back to level the front leg of the core is now completely off the ground. (I use my gear on rubber gym mats) It would be good if the legs could be locked as extended in some way.

Just bought in 2021 this is still helpful 🙂

If my Mrs asks why I just acquired a new smart trainer I’m blaming you! Now I just have to avoid your videos on the Climb so I don’t accidentally acquire one of them too 😅 Keep up the good work ⚡️🤙⚡️

Thanks for the thorough review. I am very happy with my Neo but it's great to see what the competitors are doing. Top 3 things I still like more about the Neo: no power cord to worry about, no need for spindown/calibration, and the freehub is much quieter (judging by this video).

@dan110024

5 жыл бұрын

I do like the Neo but is trainer noise really an issue? Drive trains and fans are noisier than most smart trainers these days. Especially if you're running a large industrial fan for cooling.

@atanasg

5 жыл бұрын

dan110024 Noise is definitely a problem for those of us who live in apartment buildings with other people below them. However, the issue is not as simple as just measuring and comparing the sound intensity of various setups (number of dBs). Turns out that, depending on pitch and other characteristics, some type of noise is perceptibly more annoying than others, even at the same intensity. Also certain frequencies get attenuated by the mat and the floor much better than others. There has been some research trying to measure the annoyance factor of such noise. IRC, the study I read determined that vibrations around 10Hz are one such peak. This was one of the reasons why I had to give up on my Kickr Snap -- Wahoo's manufacturing tolerances are not great for these units and their rollers are typically slightly off-round. At the typical speeds I was riding, that caused vibrations at around 14Hz -- close enough. Even though this model of trainers is otherwise super quiet, the vibrations were too much for any mat I threw at them and the people who live below. It got to a point where I had to decide b/w the trainer and moving. Many people also find the high-pitch "whining" of the early Kickr models intolerable. The noise from the Neo, the drive train, fans, A/Cs, etc, is at much different frequencies and is generally closer to brown noise. Not only is it less annoying but some people can't sleep without a pink/brown noise machine. But bottom line: with Kickr Snap my neighbors complained (hell, I complained); with the Neo live is happy for everyone.

I know there are other comments on this... but iPad x-ray!??? MIND & EYES = BLOWN.

I've picked up my pre-ordered Kickr Core. Pushys in Fyshwick have the Kickr Core in the shop. Your LBS should have initial stock now.

Hey Shane, it may be worth mentioning the Kickr Core is having mechanical problems. It is quite common to hear a ticking noise in the Core. Wahoo is being very amicable and offering to ship you a new unit and has provided the detailed directions on how to repair on your own with a $100 voucher. I am waiting on my second unit to arrive, but I have read stories of people even on their 3rd already. The unit still works fine, but it is worth a call out for any prospective buyers I think.

@gplama

5 жыл бұрын

Mentioned a number of times in other videos. The issue wasn’t encountered when I made this video, and there’s no editing for videos allowed here on KZread. I’ve even been sent abusive messages over this one..... when I have zero control over the process.

@benjaminogle11

5 жыл бұрын

@@gplama ah sorry i didnt know. i hate to hear you're receiving such messages when you're only trying to help educate consumers. i always appreciate your videos.

Thanks Shaun, Great unbiased review. Almost clicked through on a purchase of a Tacx Flux 2 until I took one last look at this review. I've gone for the Kickr Core on a Cyber Monday deal with Zwift - saved myself £70 into the bargain - £629.99.

X-ray iPad is a game changer :-)

@pam00088

5 жыл бұрын

...and presumably has the side-benefit of keeping your warranty intact! ;-)

@simonseddon5793

5 жыл бұрын

Mind: blown. What is this witchcraft?

@kkkwwwaaakkk

5 жыл бұрын

www.telegraph.co.uk/cycling/2017/09/04/uci-insist-testing-mechanical-fraud-highly-effective-doubts/

Hey Shane, thanks for all the content and congratulations on the little one. Bit of a local advocate for Zwift here and so far I've been riding a old dumb trainer which has done me well in our wet winters, autumns, springs and well it's wet in summer too. I recently borrowed a Tacx Bushido and my eyes were opened to the world of Smart trainers and now in place to replace it but my question is... What is the benefit of a direct drive turbo like the Neo 2 or Kickr Core compared to a wheel driven one like the Kickr Snap or Bushido. Thanks.

Hi Shane! Just thinking to buy the Core, do you know if the 2020 models are fine with the noise aparently from bearings or something like that? Thanks for your help

I have the Assiomas and the Kickr 2017. I have a similar issue. On TrainerRoad, without 'power matching' enabled, the Kickr reads higher than the Assiomas. If I do an interval in ERG mode of say 200 watts, the Assiomas read about 190. Of course power matching corrects it, but the Kickr does over read.

nicely thought through

Having almost pulled the trigger on a Tacx Neo, I saw your long term review of it and the issue of "virtual-wheel-slip". Due to the importance of a realistic climbing simulation for me (I already own InsideRide E-Motion rollers AND Elite Quick Motion Rollers for "flat" free-ride training with resistance) and the absolute need for a ''no-slip" trainer, would you say the Kickr Core hits the sweet spot? Assuming they'll fix the the high-power overshoots. Or does the Kickr 2018 still offer an actual benefit in low speed, 10%+ climbing? (Or could it be that the Neo issues have been solved?). Thanks.

Nice review, I like the addition of the gold stickers. Since there is no carrying handle I'm interested to know how transportable the unit is and also how much space the Core needs when it is put away.

@gplama

5 жыл бұрын

It's a little awkward to move. Not as easy as a Kickr with the handle. Space wise..... it folds and stands to about 1/3 of the space length wise. I'd need to measure it for a specific answer.

Gp: watt overshoots = 9/10 Me: watt overshoots = 11/10

@gplama

3 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣

Thanks Shane, always great reviews. Your personal opinion and choice, Kickr Core or Elite Direto?

@gplama

5 жыл бұрын

My personal choice for training is a Lemond Revolution. But that doesn’t answer your question. The CORE has the edge over the Direto in terms of braking strength (so better in ERG with different flywheel speeds). The CORE is a little quieter. The Direto has better power accuracy at this point.

Great sharing 👍

I was gonna eventually get a Tacx Neo, although it's hard to justify $1,600 for a trainer here in southern California where it's sunny and dry about 358 days a year. I think I'll go with this instead. Time to start saving.

@ryaandnice

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, but over here on the cloudy ugly east coast, the news tells us you guys are either flooding or on fire 150 days a year. ;)

@drouleau

5 жыл бұрын

@@ryaandnice More like 300 days a year

@drouleau

5 жыл бұрын

Although after living in New England for 42 years, I don't miss the rain, snow and winter.

Hi Shane , have you had a chance to retest it after the firmware update? I have been using the unit since it came out in September. I feel that the unit is not very stable when sprinting and was worried to fall over. I have subsequently attached it to a sheet of plywood. I have had some issues with ZWIFT via ANT+, the power readings were all over the place, rendering any training impossible. I now only use it with the head unit and today's plans for workouts. Hi Shane , have you had a chance to retest it after the firmware update? Best wishes from Germany!

Great review mate, have missed the boat on indoor trainers with the current stay indoors pandemic but may be available end of the month. Just wondering if these are still the best bang for buck/minimum quality you'd want or is there a tacx Neo equivalent (The new Neo2 looks great but $2k. Assume Only extra accessories you need are the cassette, matt, perhaps the desktop station. I've got a defy thru axel with 11-28 or campy 10sp 12-27 (but already have a spare/old 12-25. Want something quiet for apartment use Thanks!

A comprehensive overview, thank you Shane! In theory, would it be possible to change the freehub to something quieter or is the design proprietary to Wahoo? It seems an odd choice to market a 'silent' trainer that has an obnoxious, shouty freehub.

@Chader9

5 жыл бұрын

I have been waiting for people to start asking for quiet freehubs. The trainers are well and quiet now, but it's funny when you coast and it's significantly more loud. There are several designs of quiet and near silent freehub designs. I expect the next gen of trainers will include some version of these to address the final big source of noise. I still find it funny that it has taken this long to be recognized.

@gplama

5 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure about compatibility there. Maybe pack it with grease?

@metalspaden2872

5 жыл бұрын

I just got my Kickr Core today and I was pleasantly surprised to find, that the freehub is absolutely silent. In this video it’s sounds really loud. Early production model maybe? Did they address this issue already? It’s awesome now, completely silent freewheeling.

@Chader9

5 жыл бұрын

That is very cool. I am curious to hear confirmation on this and if the Kickr 2018 gets similar treatment. It is only natural to make the freehub mechanism quiet as well, in the effort to making the trainer as quiet as possible.

Great review Shane, would you consider the over shot a deal breaker?, I am hoping to buy this trainer!

Great review Shane. In the process of replacing a Kickr Snap. Would you pick Core or Direto XR? Can’t find any V4s near me

@gplama

3 жыл бұрын

It’s a case of whatever you can find at the moment.

I’m really curious how the Tacx Flux 2 will compare to this Kickr Core. Both trainers are almost identical when it comes to gradient, power and accuracy. Even price wise there’s no difference (both announced for €799 in Holland). I hope the Tacx 2 will appear soon in the Lama labtest for a decent comparison.

@pedoncule36

5 жыл бұрын

Me too, because I hesitate between these 2 models...

@mejaii

5 жыл бұрын

DCrainmaker says the CORE has a better road feel and is more silent.

Hey Shane great Video cant wait for mine to be shipped. In the video you displayed the wattage of your power pedals in Zwift. Can you tell me what software you used for it? Thank you and keep up the good work.

@gplama

5 жыл бұрын

Garmin Virb Edit for the overlay.

If price was the same and noise not an issue, which would be the better choice, the Kickr Core or the original Cycleops Hammer? Love the review videos!!!

Great review. Would you recommend the Core or Direrto?

@gplama

5 жыл бұрын

Your call. I've put up my full experience of both. I'd need to grill you like a salesman to give you a salesman like answer. (which I rarely do)

The included cassette, carrying handle, higher max incline, and heavier flywheel (giving better road feel) easily make up for the extra price of the Kickr 18 and justify it over the Core.

Great review Shane!! I've also watched your reviews on the Tacx Flux and Elite Direto and trying to decide which to go for as they all seem very similar in terms of performance and price. In your opinion which would be the best of the 3? I know the Tacx Flux 2 is coming, i'm in Ireland and from what i can tell it won't be released until early 2019

@gplama

5 жыл бұрын

Best I can do is present my experience with each, and you get to decide which suits. There's a lot of factors you need to take into account to choose which is 'best' for you - Budget, compatibility, size, noise level, portability, expectations of use/power/accuracy/etc. If you can test ride one before purchase, I'd highly recommend it.

@columkeenan989

5 жыл бұрын

thx for the prompt response Shane. I agree, theres a lot to consider. I'm not bothered about size, noise level or portability. I'm more concerned about budget, compatibility and accuracy. I'm new to the cycling scene and want to ensure i make a good investment as it's something i plan on keeping for some time. I keep leaning towards the Elite Direto as i think ticks all the boxes in relation to what i considered to be most important. I would love to test all 3 out but so far not found any stores that have them available to test.

Great and balanced review as always Shane. How does it compare to the Direto, now that you've done some hard yards on the Core? Noise, feel, accuracy etc?

@gplama

5 жыл бұрын

It's a quiet Kickr. Looks like they'll address the power overshoot soon. Stay tuned for that follow up.

@cydonian74

5 жыл бұрын

@@gplama so in your opinion, likely to be the 'go to' at this price point? (Direto/Flux etc)

@gplama

5 жыл бұрын

Let's go with the CORE if they can iron out the power.

Shane, love your videos! I recently bought a Kickr Core and some Assioma Duo pedals and noticed this little Assioma graphic you had on your Zwift screen at 7:28 during your sprint. Can you tell me what that is and or how you did that?

@gplama

5 жыл бұрын

That was an overlay inserted from Garmin Virb Edit.

@Brantel.

5 жыл бұрын

Shane Miller - GPLama thanks, I had never seen that graphic and wondered where it came from.

Shane, what specific belt is on this unit? Same as the older units? My Kickr2 belt is a Gates Power Grip GT 5M 170T 15. I think Gates has "updated/upgraded(?) this with the Gates Power Grip HTD; part number 850 5M 15. This is what I just replaced my belt with. Didn't notice any difference, though my unit never seems to make as much noise as what I see in online videos. Just curious if this is what they are shipping with new units. BTW; belt is 15mm wide with 170 teeth at a pitch of 5mm which makes the length 850mm. You can see the relation to the part numbers and these specs...

@gplama

5 жыл бұрын

I'll have to look at Interbike. I'm not near a CORE at the moment. It's not the same belt as the grooves are 90deg/Vertical.

Hi Shane. Thanks so much for being a beacon in the sea of options out there. As someone who has to breakdown/put away his trainer after each use, will the Core remain accurate in its power readings when i take it out again, or do I have to recalibrate each time I set the trainer back up? Trying to find an easy solution that won't require daily recalibrating (any other models that are better?) Thanks!

@gplama

5 жыл бұрын

It shouldn't need a spindown each time. Maybe every few weeks.

Interesting. Not quit enough for me to bump the Drivo yet. Let’s see if any firmware updates sort the problem. Can you use the kicker climb on the Drivo ? If so will it wearout the rear hangers. Great video as always

@gplama

5 жыл бұрын

Climb is only Wahoo compatible at this point.

I bought a Core recently, like it apart from one critical issue. Its very unstable when doing efforts out of the saddle, my one almost tipped over because of the off centre design.

Hi do you know if you of to use the kickr core with a front wheel block? Also what level do set the core resistance for? Thanks.

Great review as always, I’m just about to upgrade my smart trainer to either this wahoo unit or the Tacx Flux 2...what is your opinion as to the best unit? Also, I think you mentioned in the video review, the wahoo has no cadence sensor, so can you pair a set of vector 2 pedals for the cadence part if using an iPad set-up for Zwift? Thanks Stuart

Great videos Shane. Is it possible to do any kind of pedal analysis with the Kickr? I live about 10 miles from Wattbike HQ (UK) and I'm keen on the Wattbike Atom as I want to look a pedal analysis and some of the more lab based features it offer. I'm not overly worried about using Zwift. However the core looks really good.

@gplama

5 жыл бұрын

No, there's no option on the Wahoo for pedal analysis.

Shane, thanks for the review. Did you have opportunity to ride the Flux 2? I'm almost decided to buy the kickr core, but I don't know if it's worth to wait for the Flux 2 review. What do you think?

@gplama

5 жыл бұрын

Flux 2 should be appearing at Interbike this week. I’ll be up there checking things out. Stay tuned.

@joaocravo2816

5 жыл бұрын

Shane thanks for the reply. From what is known of the Flux 2 it will be able to simulate the higher % grades in lower speeds. I can't find anywhere if the Kickr Core is also able to do it, from your experience what can you tell about it?

Hey Shane. Great video mate. Just ordered one of these and rewatched it in preparation! Do I need to buy anything else besides the cassette to get started? Do I need to buy the ANT+ sensor to connect it to the pc? Bluetooth works too right?

@gplama

4 жыл бұрын

This will work over Bluetooth, yep. I've always found ANT+ to be a little easier to use. Things are slowly improving for Bluetooth on Windows though...

@ahfodder

4 жыл бұрын

@@gplama Thanks for the reply bud. I got my trainer on the weekend and I've used it every day since! I am fully addicted - Zwift is unreal. I read that putting your bike on a trainer can void its warranty. You ever had issues with carbon frames getting ruined by the trainer?

@gplama

4 жыл бұрын

@@ahfodder Carbon frame damage due to trainer usage is a myth. Zero issues here over many years, many bikes, all the trainers, and many out of the saddle sprints > 1200W.

Thanks Shane as always. Will the Core support long cage derailleurs? The bike I'm most likely to use on this (or any) trainer has a Shimano 105 5800 GS rear derailleur. I've seen some (Direto?) that specifically state that long cage RDs are not supported.

@gplama

5 жыл бұрын

I'll assume so. There's nothing getting in the way back there. Maybe check with Wahoo support to be 100%, or visit a local shop with one on the floor to mount your bike first to check.

Hi Shane. Another great review.. thanks! Elite Drivo (original white one) and the Kickr Core are similarly priced here now. Which one would you go for if both available at the same price? Thanks.

@gplama

5 жыл бұрын

I'd go with the CORE. *Edit. Yep, CORE.

@Esskay1

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Shane. Your original comment mentioned the Direto, so just to be clear, I was referring to the Drivo. It's heavily reduced here now to about £50 cheaper than the Core. Still the Core? Thanks.

@gplama

5 жыл бұрын

Yep, still the CORE.

Thank you for your videos. Can you unplug the KICKR Core when not in use? Plug in only when you are using it? Or if you do unplug it, do you then have to do another spindown?

@gplama

3 жыл бұрын

You can if you like. It really doesn't matter if you're on clean power. It will remember the spindown values between power cycles.

Hey Shane, I'm looking at getting this trainer for myself and I really liked your video and through explanation of how everything works and what to expect. I do have a question though, you mentioned a bit of instability; I'd be having to use mine on top of a mat on carpet, do you thin that would cause any issues with stability when getting serious into the power? Thanks!

@gplama

5 жыл бұрын

Test ride if you can. You have to be trying hard to fall off the thing though.

@BryanSmith518

5 жыл бұрын

@@gplama that's great news, thanks for the reply Shane!

How would you compare the Elite Direto to the Kickr Core as this is the price range I'm looking at for my next trainer, currently tacx vortex but would like direct drive

@gplama

5 жыл бұрын

The CORE has the edge over the Direto in terms of braking strength (so better in ERG with different flywheel speeds). The CORE is a little quieter. The Direto has better power accuracy at this point.

Been waiting to see your review of this to help with the decision of going to the Core or going all out with the 2018. Alas I'm still not 100% sold on the core just yet, something seems to be bugging me about it but i cant pinpoint it just yet. Would love to see a comparison of the two side by side, and yes i know there is a price variance to take into account but im more interested in what makes the 2018 that much better??

@gplama

5 жыл бұрын

Me too. Initially, power accuracy in sprints. That could be fixed (maybe?) with the CORE in firmware. Value add like the cassette and cadence sensor with the Kickr. Larger flywheel..... but how to quantify that is the question. In theory larger = better ride feel.... but the CORE rides pretty well. Adjustable height on the Kickr (not really a big deal imo). I'm sure there's some marketing/PR material somewhere that lists the differences in detail.

Brilliant videos Shane. Question: Can you connect a Wahoo Kickr Core to the Tacs trainer desktop sofrware if you want to use their HD location riding films as a change from Zwift? Looking at with the Kickr Core (899 euro) or the reduced Neo 1 (1025 euro) .... hmmm any advice. The Neo 1 still looks like a solid machine?

@gplama

5 жыл бұрын

I don't believe the Tacx Desktop App is compatible with non Tacx trainers at this point in time. Tacx Support will be able to confirm this.

If I have a 26'' mountain, this is easy to setup and is it possible de take the bike at the level?

Had to save my wages to get this. Very good purchase

Hello Shane! Great review and channel in general. Question - Do you have video about compatible trainers with practical suggestions on How to use combination of actual powermeter from bike with built in resistance unit from trainer? I suppose some of trainers are compatible with this feature better then others. I'm most likely will get one of those cheap trainers(not neo) wich requer "spindown" and I guess I could skip it if trainer can use more accurate and sustanable power reading from reall powermeter!?

@gplama

4 жыл бұрын

Power Match (using another power meter while the trainer does the resistance) is a common feature of almost all training software now. It can introduce some lag/instability with ERG depending on the protocol and/or system used.

I'm years late but just about to buy a trainer now that's they're coming back into stock in Oz after Covid craziness. Is the asymmetrical aspect a problem? Does the bike lean to the right at all when you're sitting there or can you not feel it?

@gplama

3 жыл бұрын

Not an issue on a stable surface.

@JAlexanderCurtis

3 жыл бұрын

I tried to buy this trainer all last year to replace my Saris M2 wheel-on trainer and could never find one in stock. This week my local REI had 4, yes FOUR Kickr Cores in stock! So I picked one up. I noticed the asymmetrical aspect immediately with how the bike lined up on my trainer mat. But other than the aesthetics, it doesn't seem to affect it physically. You will just need to line the trainer up about 3-4 inches to the left (non-driveside of bike) of center on the mat, so that the bike ends up centered on the mat when riding.

after finally getting a wahoo kickr core up & usable question maybe you can help with wondering how close does a computer have to be for the bike trainer to connect to via USB2Ant+. I have a windows 10 desktop (definitely meets specs.) about 20' from where bike is w/wahoo trainer. I wondered if I can connect at that distance with the desktop mirroring to chromecast on a big screen tv that is in the room where bike is? I haven't purchased the usb2ant+ dongle yet I was thinking of buying wahoo's since its definite it would work w/this trainer. Thanks

@triatheletewolf7279

5 жыл бұрын

You need a usb extension cord. It's about $10 on Amazon and it is 3 meters long. Works like a champ.

Nice trainer, probably gives best value for money. No handle to ease carry away but that is not major issue i guess.

@MrBJPitt

5 жыл бұрын

An old tyre tube could be made into a handle for it I'm sure.

Hi Shane. First of all greetings froma spain. I have a big doubt and for sure your opinion will help me to made my decision. After testing the kickr core and the Direto, wich one will you choose. The Kickr core cost 800 € and the Direto cost aprox 650 €. You think the kick worth this 150 euro diference?. Regards

Great vid. What would be your choice, this unit or the kickr 2018? Is the kickr 2018 worth the extra money?

@gplama

5 жыл бұрын

I like the full Kickr at this point by a whisker. This may change.

@FlyByWire67

5 жыл бұрын

@@gplama but as far as i can see the big difference is the accuracy and the max power. And that is worth the money?

@gplama

5 жыл бұрын

Worth / value - It depends. Your call.

Shane, great summary of the core. I have ordered one and looking forward to putting some miles on it. I do have a question for you and would appreciate your input. I currently use a 2013 BMC GF02 bike with a Shimano 105 groupset on a wheel on trainer with a wheel having a 10 speed cassette. Now that I am switching to a direct drive trainer can I use the same bike but use an 11 speed cassette on the trainer? What are your thoughts on this? Thanks in advance!

@gplama

5 жыл бұрын

Best match the cassette with the groupset. Sure you can crunch your way through any solution - but best to keep things kosher.

@peteevans8150

5 жыл бұрын

Shane Miller - GPLama Thanks very much for the input!

Hi Shane. Looking at getting my first smart trainer. If you were me would you go for the wahoo kickr core or taxc flux 2? Many thanks and keep up the great content! 😊

@gplama

5 жыл бұрын

Test ride both or either and go from there. I haven't ridden a Flux 2.

@chrisholdstock8247

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the reply! I'll do that! 😊

I have a cervelo r3d, which has proprietary cervelo thru axle (modified focus rat system) will the kicker core work with that?

Hello, you have done a review about the wahoo kickr core and the Elite Direto X, which one is the beter choice regarding to you ? Btw, like your Channel

thinking about upgrading to a direct driver type. Are the tacx neo bits like road/cobble feel worth the incremental dollars? I think that is the main difference right? accuracy is 1% better?

@gplama

5 жыл бұрын

Road surface feel is interesting, not essential.

May not be the bargain it seems to be depending on your needs.Not sure but think with core you have to buy your own cassette and cadence sensor which come supplied with the full price kickr .please correct me if I’m wrong n ill delete this

@dangurtler7177

5 жыл бұрын

You can see what is in the box at 3:08 of the video and there is no cassette and no cadence sensor.

@gplama

5 жыл бұрын

Mentioned a few times in the video.

@patrickbaker6978

5 жыл бұрын

Shane Miller - GPLama sorry didn’t give my full attention nearly always watch utube while doing other things.Always look forward to your new vids this one I clicked on while stuffing my face with the unhealthy option in the works canteen🤢

I managed to find a kickr core the other day so I took the plunge and a zwifting I will go. A big thanks for all your vids on trainers and Zwift. Do you have any reconstruction on which training options are good? Thanks again 👍🏻👍🏻

@gplama

4 жыл бұрын

Nice one. Training..... it really depends. Give someone structure to their training, they'll likely improve. As for what structure will get the most improvements... that's the trick most coaches will charge $$$/month to determine.

@petercallaghan6987

4 жыл бұрын

Shane Miller - GPLama ok cheers. I might just start on the beginning FTP builder. And some casual exploring of Zwift for now 👍🏻.

Hi Shane. You say the Core is compatible with all bikes. Does that include 10 speed Campag? I know the original Kickr had a adaptor, but since the 11speed groupsets have been released this is no longer compatible with the current crop of Kickr’s. If the core isn’t compatible with ‘all’ bikes which direct drive trainer would you recommend with a 10speed Campagnolo set up? Keep up the great reviews! Thanks.

@gplama

5 жыл бұрын

Sorry, it should have been 'all current bikes'. Drop Wahoo support a query about compatibility.

Hey Shane, I know this is an old video but with any luck you’ll respond. I just got a kickr core and the power reads approx 10% higher than my Assioma’s. I know the pedals are accurate as they’ve been consistent over the past year with other power meters. Wahoo is saying it’s within range. Any thoughts?

the freehub sound seems very different, almost as if the noise from the ratchet and pawls are causing some resonance in another part. to me at least, it sounds almost ceramic if that makes sense

@gplama

5 жыл бұрын

Pack it with grease, job done! :)

Great review! One question, it is mentioned that front wheel block is not included, is it actually required?

@gplama

5 жыл бұрын

Rear axle height is same as a rear wheel. Not required. Preference if you want to use one or not.

@maX0yt

5 жыл бұрын

thank you

I would like to know the main difference between the kicker core and the kicker besides it's price.

Wooaaahhh ! That lovely X-ray iPad ! Apart from that, I’ve got a CANYON bike, and they have a different system to attach their wheels... do you think it would still work ? Thanks !

@gplama

3 жыл бұрын

One for Wahoo or Canyon Support. I know there are a few of their bikes on the 'not compatible' list.

Shane, could you comment if you can tell a difference in the road-feel/inertia between the Core vs the 2018 Kickr or are they nearer-makes-no-difference? Your inertia video (THANKS) and some experimentation has helped me finally figure out a knee pain was due to my low-inertia Tacx Vortex at high watts/resistance, and so i'm looking to upgrade to something with less of that sticky-pedal mud-pulling sensation.

@gplama

5 жыл бұрын

I couldn't pick the difference 'by feel'. I'll need to swap them around in the same session to really know. It might, but not a lot.

@rdubb2462

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the info and great videos!

Hey Shane, when looking straight down at the trainer, I saw that the legs on my KICKR Core aren't parallel with each other. Do you have the same thing?

@gplama

5 жыл бұрын

Looks ok to me. Small on the rear large on the front?

@chrisandrade5122

5 жыл бұрын

Shane Miller - GPLama Yeah. It’s look just a fraction off. Maybe my eyes are deceiving me.

@85gregbrett

4 жыл бұрын

Can that ratchet be modified to be quiet, grease packing? , I'm looking to buy this model for quietness but that could be a deal breaker

what is the best way to train on zwift to improve your climbing shane

Hi. Thanks a lot for this video. Quick question. Possible to have on the element bolt power from my quarq powermeter and resistance control of the Wahoo core? Or when the core is conected, we have no other choice to have the power from the core?

@gplama

3 жыл бұрын

No. The Wahoo GPS units don't have the option at this time to do power matching like this.

Do you think you could level the trainer by loosening the bolts and tightening them back up where you want to use the Kickr Core?

@gplama

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe. I'm sure there are a few ways to get creative if you live on an angle :)

wow ok this is nice

Had to scroll back to find and tag this one. #ZwiftRiders. Mine reads low compared to my old trainer original kickr as well as my neighbors quark.

Hi Shane, good review. Do you know if this trainer (as of 2023) is compatible with the cervelo soloist? I ask this because my soloist fits under the 12*142mm which it claims to be compatible with, yet the websites and retailers are saying that among other bikes, it is not compatible with cervelo disc frames! Please help