Unfortunately, I found this one very frustrating. She couldn’t grasp Sam’s argument on moral luck, and she went a bit off topic there. Then, she thinks Utilitarianism is all about just pain and pleasure, when it’s actually about suffering and well-being in a broad sense. She’s also confused about stoicism too. Finally, she argues that a child, a squirrel and a fish(!) have the same value in terms of morality. She is nuts.

@ThatOneScienceGuy

Жыл бұрын

I thought it was a great episode, but I also found her ideas towards the end about the value of life (fish vs squirrel vs child) to be a bit annoying. Sam, too, I think found it annoying, which is why he pressed her to see if she thinks hierarchically. She sort of brushed it off as conventional thinking. Maybe she's onto something, but it also left me feeling like she was nuts.

I had a college buddy who used to say "Survival of the luckiest"

If xenomorphs hatched out of children's stomachs because of covid-19 and went on a blood orgy rampage, the conversation would have been very different. -Sam Harris

@enterpassword3313

Жыл бұрын

In a way, we were unlucky that didnt happen, because then i could have been more dogmatic. Its not that i wanted the xenomorphs to be hatching out of children, but if they were, then i could have told Brett Wienstein to shut his face instead of that just being a fantasy i have every day - Sam Harris

@tombombadyl4535

Жыл бұрын

You might as well write “stupid” on your forehead. The inability to process hypotheticals is a dead give away for the intellectually challenged.

@douggardner8229

Жыл бұрын

@@tombombadyl4535 yes, this sums up Sam Harris.

@tombombadyl4535

Жыл бұрын

@@douggardner8229 Sorry bud. This charge was leveled at you.

@douggardner8229

Жыл бұрын

@@tombombadyl4535 👆 take a deep whif of this and tell me that if it wasn't covered in shit it would smell like a rose.

Martha really likes squirrels.

Do you get video if you join?

It's amazing how much energy these tedious nutjobs raving in the comments seem to have. Like 5-year-olds running in circles and bumping against the furniture. Kind of enviable in some ways - this innocent, completely unreflective self-assuredness.

@synthesizerneil

Жыл бұрын

Innocent, unreflective self assuredness. Man that sounds like someone I know...

@twntwrs

Жыл бұрын

Such a contrast with the hyper-reflective self unassuredness of Sam especially on freedom of the press.

@tcorourke2007

Жыл бұрын

We are actually his real fans.

@wasdwasdedsf

Жыл бұрын

lol, who are you talking about???

@wasdwasdedsf

Жыл бұрын

i agree, the lunatic, extremist, psychopath emotional nutcases who locked down the world over a cough virus that killed the EXACT same number of people in 2020 as in any other normal flu year, and put the world into a recession by wasting tens of trillions of dollars

Great discussion. Wish it could have gone a lot longer. Prof. Nussbaum is certainly not shy about defending her positions, and one needs to be well prepared to argue any point with her. I really appreciate her views about animals and hope her work in this area helps make meaningful change. A great legacy for her daughter.

@JohnLentSelflessHero

Жыл бұрын

I feel like Sam just consistently throughout almost the entire podcast let's her just push snake-oil while he takes a back seat. Terrible conversation. I literally learned nothing from it other than that Sam seems be much more likely to restrain himself when interviewing elderly woman than middle aged men.

@twntwrs

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnLentSelflessHero I also noticed his limp wristed pro-forma minimalist pushback on the professor's (not an A if even a B list intellectual) schoolmarmish "not all Muslims" prattle where she totally ignores the assault on human rights at the hands of the theocrats who take their directives directly from the "holy" texts.

I'm bored with people pretending there's anything rational about religion - and that 'there's no way anyone can know or agree what'll happen after death'.

@judahjayson684

Жыл бұрын

nobody agrees with Sam Harris I can tell with all facts😅😂 even Noam Chomsky said "Sam specialise in hysterical slandering to people faith he doesn't like".

@judahjayson684

Жыл бұрын

@Savior Money and where are you coming from? And is what is the problem between Noam Chomsky.

@judahjayson684

Жыл бұрын

@Savior Money 😅😂😂😂 what!!. I thought you were talking about something important, not the universal COVID containing that all the countries were practicing because of world health organisation. which world do you live in.

@judahjayson684

Жыл бұрын

@Savior Money no you seem dumb to rewrite.

@judahjayson684

Жыл бұрын

@Savior Money sorry Mrs troll Jesus

I agree with the proposition that animals should be treated ethically, and that when it comes to slaughtering them for food, we should do so in a way that reduces or eliminates altogether pain and suffering. I believe this is a moral position. I struggle to go any further than that, however. Evolution has shaped species to consume one another. I think it's bizarre to view a fish as having some kind of intrinsic value because of its supposed sentience. Evolution has positioned it low in the food chain. Nature itself is a hierarchy. I have no problems asserting my position higher up in the food chain and eating the fish. It is delicious and it nourishes me. Bears, birds and other meat eaters agree. I don't understand the goal or the purpose in believing that we shouldn't consume animals because their sentience has value. What next? Are we going to fight the bears off and tell them they can't eat fish anymore? Will we wage war on nature and insist they only eat plants? Does Nussbaum think there is some multi species utopia at the end of all this where nobody eats each other and we can live in perfect harmony? A lion and a crocodile are such because they are meat eaters. A lion that doesn't eat the gazelle is no longer a lion. No need for claws or teeth. They are shaped by evolution. This is the system. I feel lucky to be at the top of the food chain. However, there are many creatures that would eat me given the chance.

@patrickf4839

Жыл бұрын

Eating a plant based diet is healthier and better for the planet, so there are few reasons to eat meat generally. As far as our nature, murder and genocide are as natural anything…doesn’t mean we can’t use our rationality to recognize the sentience of other non human animals and adapt to more compassionate practices.

She vastly misunderstands Stoicism. The Stoics aren't against love and other emotions, but against misguided emotions and emotions controlling us. They want to prevent emotions from being our masters.

@danilthorstensson8902

Жыл бұрын

That’s the modern self-help simplification

@blooper6543

Жыл бұрын

So many of these moderns think the ancients were knuckle-dragging retards.

@Him__Downstairs

Жыл бұрын

@@danilthorstensson8902 Educate us.

@sandcastledx

Жыл бұрын

I doubt she doesn't understand it considering she teaches it. You probably didn't understand her points

@jps0117

Жыл бұрын

@@sandcastledx I used to be a teacher. You have a higher evaluation of teachers than I do :)

the dislike ratio on this is pretty amusing.

@ThatOneScienceGuy

Жыл бұрын

How do you know the dislike ratio? KZread now hides dislikes.

@SacrumImperiumRomanum517

Жыл бұрын

@@ThatOneScienceGuy there is a chrome extension that shows it. Search for “return KZread like”

She puts blame on religion and who could argue with that. But I would put as much of the blame for our cultural chaos on the philosophers- such as herself. They after all teach the media and politicians.

@gonx9906

Жыл бұрын

What do you mean by cultural caos

Thx Sam

I think this woman just evades any hard subjects with a cloud hallmark generalities. It is a nice soft landing for a 75 year old woman but only because she dismisses any realities in today's world.

Sam, Bret Weinstein made a video asking you to have a conversation with him. Please respond so we can clarify your concerns over his remarks on covid

Respectfully, great upload Sam Harris. ((Omaha, Nebraska)) 🇺🇸🦅😎🌱🌾✨🌽

This was a great episode, however, later in this episode (for subscribers) Sam sounds a little condescending to the guest when he probes her to find out if she has a hierarchical mindset regarding non human animals vs humans in terms of their value and the respect they are supposedly owed. I get why he did this, but it came across to me as rude and condescending.

@stireh

Жыл бұрын

Her position on the subject matter is a slippery slope that leads to some seriously questionable ends. For example she states the death of a rat is logically no more significant than the death of a child. She also states that a good way of dealing with rat infestations is sterilization. Following from this line of reason is that sterilization of humans is no more problematic than sterilization of rats. Her arguments were a mess at the end, and Sam did the appropriate and necessary thing in confronting them. I don’t feel he was too heavy handed. He simply couldn’t let that slide without pressing.

This is a great example of a human who is extremely intelligent and has a lot of interesting and worth while things to say on some subjects but is way up schitts creek without a paddle on another subject. Just because nearly everyone would disagree with her arguments at the end, doesn’t mean we should dismiss what she had to offer throughout the beginning and middle of the conversation.

Listened to the whole podcast on the website and Martha to me sounds a bit on the crazy side. Sam trying to get her to admit that a human life is more important than a squirrels was painful to listen too.

Jesus Christ, what a waste of 45 minutes. She said a whole lot of nothing and her insight doesn't seem to match her acclaim mentioned on the intro.

Trump is ok. He's just a silly goose!

Im quite surprised Martha claimed that insects are non-sentient. No ambiguity or speculation, just a hard No from her, not sentient.

@twntwrs

Жыл бұрын

Entirely in line with though perhaps not quite as untenable as her "not all Muslims" Islam apologetics.

@JohnLentSelflessHero

Жыл бұрын

@@twntwrs Definition of sentient: "able to perceive or feel things." Fucking obviously insects are sentient. That they do not have the SAME pain sensors we do does not mean they have no ability to detect something bad and respond to it by avoidance. Sapience, showing self awareness, is much closer to what she meant, but again there is plenty of reason to believe that many insects and/or arachnids have this. That she was smugly confident that they do not was pretty crazy. And then she alludes to "big changes" she assumes would be necessary to live morally if we assume for example that all deer are sapient. That of course begs the question - if a wolf can kill a deer and be morally on firm ground, why can't a person? The only possible answer to that if you assume sapience matters, is once again, a kind of moral hierarchy where the ethical demands on more complex life are greater than the ethical demands on more simple life.

@JohnLentSelflessHero

Жыл бұрын

@@twntwrs it was so cringy when she demanded that Sam use special language to make clear he was referring to only Classical Greco-Roman philosophers not Arab or Eastern ones, and then decidedly never mentioned for a second any of those non-Western philosophies. Like, let's make "hypothetical" space for those others contributions, but not actually discuss them in any way or give them any footing or support. It's like token-woke nonsense, exported to philosophy too.

@twntwrs

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnLentSelflessHero in response to both of your apropos posts: Exactly what one would expect from what I described in another post under this video as "not an A list if even a B list intellectual", ain't it?

@JohnLentSelflessHero

Жыл бұрын

@@trev1697 and what we see in "hive" insects like bees, where the central control comes from a queen or the network, is just a less muddy version of what humans actually do. Because we are part of a causal web, where the actions and words of other humans end up directing our own actions, we are actually very much like them. What we consider choices we make freely, are really dictated by other unconscious causes. That is exactly how bee consciousness functions.

Just stopped by to see if sam had regained his sanity post-Trump. Nope... I'll check back in 3 months from now.

I nearly spat out my coffee when Martha Nussbaum said she didn’t think philosophy was about telling people what to do. What? What is the point of ethics except exactly that?

What's the Trump angle here?

@watermelonkang

Жыл бұрын

ReeeEEeeE

@TheAlibabatree

Жыл бұрын

What? Why are you obsessed with that dude?

"If only Biden was a sane president then we would all love Biden. Think about that! You only change one variable and everything changes.." Can't believe I used to tune into to every single one of his episodes.

The elephant in the room that died suddenly went to heaven!

@tcorourke2007

Жыл бұрын

Donald Trunk?

So is Sam Harris going to accept Bret Weinstein's challenge to a debate (Dark 158th Dark Horse Podcast 1:44:00) or is Sam going to be a coward?

@Him__Downstairs

Жыл бұрын

Sam didn't fare too well on Triggernometry. It seems the curtain has been pulled back. He's insulating himself more and more these days.

@tier1solutions28

Жыл бұрын

@Him__Downstairs because he's a full blown stern brand of Karen now

@griffincontracting

Жыл бұрын

@@Him__Downstairs He didn't fare well because the interviewer was an ass...

@griffincontracting

Жыл бұрын

Weinstein is a tool...why would Sam waste his time?

@Him__Downstairs

Жыл бұрын

@@griffincontracting Weinstein is a tool... the Triggernometry host is an ass... any critique that doesn't involve ad hominem?

This woman has a very sweet voice and I enjoyed her talking.

Boring conversation.

💚💛💜Wonderful👍😍

@user-rs8sn6nz9h

Жыл бұрын

I was frustrated and depressed over my debt and bills until I found (Crocy_helps) who helped me with my bills

The undisputed shark-jump king.

Oof, Sam seems so much more well informed and advanced in this conversation- i feel bad like I'm sexist or agist as I listen. It's like a self absorbed elite professor talking about archaic things with smug and unexamined views and pushing her books and those of her students. Towards the end of the podcast version, you can hear his frustration with her when he says, "look I have a phd in neuroscience," as she tries to double down on the idea that science has proved bugs are not conscious. Really bad guest. Painful to listen to her. I wonder if Sam doesn't get into it with her the way he does with Jordan Peterson because she is an old woman.

@peterz53

Жыл бұрын

Exact opposite impression here. I admire Sam and his range, and his willingness to push boundaries, but he was out of his depth here. Or so it appeared to me. On the other hand, I wouldn't expect him to have the depth that most of guests have as they are by definition "experts' in there respective areas.

@kirathekillernote2173

Жыл бұрын

Maybe those U.S. senators are doing something right

@tcorourke2007

Жыл бұрын

That you immediately feel prejudiced for recognizing that someone is performing badly is really a sign of the times.

@JohnLentSelflessHero

Жыл бұрын

@tcorourke2007 I think my awareness that it might be prejudice is a good sign of the times. Moving (potential) bias from unconscious to awareness is a good thing. It let's me test whether my thoughts are genuinely based in fact or just a product of my echochamber. I'm pretty sure it's not the echochamber though - she really did sound pompous and wrong.

@JohnLentSelflessHero

Жыл бұрын

@peterz53 he very obviously has clear concise and well thought out views about moral philosophy, which are much well supported than hers. He just bit them back several times. And when she "corrected him" about referring to Greek and Roman moral philosophy specifically so as not to not ignore for example ancient Persian moral philosophy (but then never actually talked about any moral philosophy other than Greek and Roman) my performance woke inclusion hackles went up. So obviously the kind of college professor who ruins kids.

"Who cares if it was a lab leak?".- Sam Harris, on Lex Fridman Podcast.

@OddityDK

Жыл бұрын

I don’t.

Martha has no serious understanding of other cultures. Notions of human rights are not universal. Culture is a solution to a set of game theory problems, and you cannot endlessly reconcile different responses to the same problems.

This was a a sad episode. Martha spent her life thinking deeply and now makes farcical arguments about animal rights in her twilight. Our instincts and intuition are often wrong and bad but other animals have perfect evolved needs? We can clearly define and place value on sentience? Everything she said about non human animals applies to plants, so let’s fill the life boat with grass. She simply embraces the naturalistic fallacy.

@sandcastledx

Жыл бұрын

didn't listen and/or understand anything she said. They clearly addressed why this doesn't apply to plants

@darealness514

Жыл бұрын

@@sandcastledx No. she didn’t define sentience in a way that excludes plants. Please quote if she did, I might’ve missed it

@sandcastledx

Жыл бұрын

@@darealness514 Might not be in the same sentence. She said scientists have developed convincing studies that show plants are not sentient

@sandcastledx

Жыл бұрын

@@darealness514 might be because you're only hearing half the audio?

@darealness514

Жыл бұрын

@@sandcastledx no I heard the full paid version. Yes she said that, but the statement requires citation lol. Just like Sam doubted her confident assertions regarding the sentience of various animals, I doubt her assertions that “scientists have figured this out” regarding plants. I was a plant scientist and can assure you plants do things that go against all common intuitions about their possible experiences. She jumps into her conclusion from a springboard that probably doesn’t exist.

Talk to Bret, or else your clearly a coward.

@texparker4407

Жыл бұрын

Bret gave you plenty of discussion options for you to feel safe.

🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰

Would love to hear an update as to Sam's views on vaccines. Thumbs up if you'd be interested too.

@matthewstone1362

Жыл бұрын

He has no interest vocalising his own mistakes. Nor correcting and apologising for them. Behold the pretzel.

@griffincontracting

Жыл бұрын

@@matthewstone1362

@matthewstone1362

Жыл бұрын

@@griffincontracting 🤣🤣🤣

@matthewstone1362

Жыл бұрын

@@griffincontracting do you base your arguments on fantasy scenarios where if everything had been different and aligned to your beliefs then you would have been correct?? Because Sam does.

@dh1474

Жыл бұрын

@@griffincontracting 🤡🤡🤡

Two important contemporary thinkers having a conversation together. Wonderful!

@twntwrs

Жыл бұрын

@Techton Empiricon This is precisely what the distinguished American philosopher Daniel Dennett meant when he said philosophy is obsolete.

@TheAlibabatree

Жыл бұрын

@Techton Empiricon Brilliant insight!

@TheAlibabatree

Жыл бұрын

@Techton Empiricon Either way, we all really appreciate the observation, Mr random nobody on the internet.

@TheAlibabatree

Жыл бұрын

@Techton Empiricon Why would you stoop so low as to post your original comment? Equally interesting.

@twntwrs

Жыл бұрын

@Techton Empiricon if "there is lots" then you should be able to name at least one.

Both living in a bubble

@TheAlibabatree

Жыл бұрын

Which bubble is that?

This topic doesn't interest me, but it's shame that, instead of discussing the topics in the actual episode, so many are just copy and pasting irrelevant talking points regarding unrelated topics, or just name-calling.

@tcorourke2007

Жыл бұрын

Ironically, your comment is completely off topic.

Professor nussbaum wow. Really grateful for this podcast.

@blakejameson1114

Жыл бұрын

Neither her or Sam said anything of any import or use. No ideas. No suggestions. No value. Verbal masturbation.

@nickko4042

Жыл бұрын

@@blakejameson1114 id say check out her books. Its difficult for Sam to do her justice considering the depth and breadth of her work.

@twntwrs

Жыл бұрын

@@nickko4042With her witless religion apologetics she went broad but hardly deep.

Will Sam Harris ever do another conversation with Gad Saud?

@twntwrs

Жыл бұрын

I think Sam prefers the echo in his chamber as he has it set up now.

@synthesizerneil

Жыл бұрын

Sam blocked gad on Twitter for making a light hearted joke. Sam is a middle aged child

@dances_with_incels

Жыл бұрын

@@synthesizerneil well that's unfortunate.

@stephenbyrneireland

Жыл бұрын

Hopefully not. He's turned into a sad oul princess, banging on and on about Harris, and how does Harris, respond. The shoulder. Quiet. Reserved. Gad loves his growing right-wing base that buy his books. Can't back down now.

@stephenbyrneireland

Жыл бұрын

@@synthesizerneil Have you read Saad's book?

If the Sam Harris I grew up with is still in there and still honestly strives for the truth then please talk publicly with Bret Weinstein! You’ve mentioned him publicly on multiple occasions. He lays out 3 different formats tailored for you to choose! The 3rd specifically addresses the reason you stated for refusing so far by utilizing software and allowing you to tap experts to help. I personally would like JBP to moderate. Either way lives are truly at stake!!!

@tier1solutions28

Жыл бұрын

He was never there.

@marcusallen9039

Жыл бұрын

I owe a lot to him!! But this hurts!

@griffincontracting

Жыл бұрын

@@marcusallen9039

@TheAlibabatree

Жыл бұрын

“Lives are stake”. Maybe by a few internet idiots who take their medical advice from youtube gurus, rather than medical professionals.

@jmc5335

Жыл бұрын

@@TheAlibabatree Ditto their moral philosophy and political analysis

Listen playback in 1.5

It’s sad to see the growing cesspool of internet trolls around you Sam, but it’s a sign of the times. Keep up the good work! ❤️

@twntwrs

Жыл бұрын

Sam's sycophants are feeling a bit under siege lately so they resort to ad hominem.

@soulfuzz368

Жыл бұрын

Remember back in the days when Sam was mostly talking about Islam and people often complained that his rhetoric was attracting racism? Most of us pushed back obviously but now I am questioning whether or not they were on to something. How else do you explain how many Trump supporters are ex sam harris listeners?

@enterpassword3313

Жыл бұрын

"Cesspool of trolls" implies there is no reason for sam to be getting hammered with criticism, but as toxic as you might think it is to have people searching out his videos to write negative comments, he 100% deserves what hes getting

@TheAlibabatree

Жыл бұрын

@@enterpassword3313 Can you explain? Any examples of anything?

@apokatastasian2831

Жыл бұрын

@@TheAlibabatree Trump won the election the instant he said "I know that the game is rigged because i bought the same politicians i'm running against" failure to understand his appeal, and worse, failure to try to understand pissed alot of people off. I'm not trump fan, but objectively its hard to see how he stands out as worse then the other reptiles we elect. many many many things were better and that was a small tradeoff for his buffoonery. then also Sam's authoritarian take on an untested vaccine was gross. we all were doing the best we could in a vacuum of good info, but sam's smug adherance to the party line, well after it was laughable, while the scope of censorship and simply ineffectiveness of the tech and absurdity of the doubling down became more and more obvious.....idk it smacks to many as ideological possesion. coming from a man that made his bones on rationality over tradition, watching him waffle on his rationality over traditions as base as "we're all gonna repeat the pfizer advertising line now" is gross. made me ill to watch several times also the comparison of trump's corruption and Hunter's corruption is bananas. Trump tried, alot of people like him, he is objectively a succesful dude that made some good policies and near zero of his scandals turned out to have teeth. (despite a hysterical attempt to nail him with anything that saw such greatest hits as James comey unnaccountably lying in front of congress)....meanwhile Hunter is a drug addict that did weird sex stuff with his dead brother's wife and maybe underage niece, (probably Biden too, Ashleys diary is shocking) and basically and provably has collected bribes for his dad for a living, and relied on the highest echelons of state power to cover it up... conflating the two in any way is so biased it makes msnbc look like Tom Brokaw

People misrepresenting Sam's views just carry water for their own opposition

@John_Doe742

Жыл бұрын

What is your understanding of his views?

@synthesizerneil

Жыл бұрын

Sam refusing to have tough conversations, instead choosing to talk to himself or a podcast host that never pushes back, only gives his opposition free reign to "misrepresent" his views. However, comments on the internet just bashing him are just low hanging fruit. Smart and sincere people aren't misrepresenting Sam. Lastly, Sam's sycophants have been carrying water for him for years, constantly pulling the "that's not what he really said" routine. You'd think someone so smart, so articulate, and so above his own emotions as a spiritual guru could have learned how to speak better by now.

@kemuse1

Жыл бұрын

@@John_Doe742 His view on the anti vax movement is that it would melt away if covid had effects that were more obvious to those that spend most of their lives alone and on twitter (I.e the antivax community)

@gunnar4554

Жыл бұрын

​@@kemuse1or if the vax was safe and effective. So if things were different then things would be different. Cope.

@acetate909

Жыл бұрын

@@kemuse1 So if covid was as serious as they claimed and the jabs actually worked as promised then things would have been different? Wow, what a deep insight. Instead of acknowledging that people like Brett Weinstein have have been right and Sam has been dead wrong for three years he invents these counter factuals and claims, "but what if......". And then he has the nerve to call Brett mentally unwell. Sam has completely lost the plot and he's become a punchline as a cult covidian.

Man sam... youve lost alot of respect.

Talk to Bret, Sam.

I'm 14 minutes in and her religious apologies are painful to listen to.

Sam's meditation technique in a nutshell: Breathe deeply through the nose. Hold for 2 seconds. Exhale through the mouth. Think of orange man and then lose your fn mind.

@Feedmeakitten

Жыл бұрын

The Malibu meditator strikes again

Wondering if Sam is going to take Bret Weinstein up on Bret's offer to dialogue about Covid, vaccines etc... rather than Sam just back stabbing and slandering Bret (who has been WAY more right about Covid than Sam).

@paulfromt.o.7384

Жыл бұрын

Why does it have to be a contest? Fucking just sad way to think about things.

Good content will last. Much love

How the not quite mighty have fallen.

With all due respect. Sam was “like a dog with a bone”. Sam’s right here, the level of our guilt correlates back to our relationship with the type of creature we injure. Nussbaums explanation for this seems to be “ inherited hierarchical thinking” this seems to suggest that if man choose mice as man’s best friend that they could equally fill that role.

@juliaw2299

Жыл бұрын

Her point is whether or not an animal is a good best friend to a human is arbitrary and a result of our bias. It’s irrelevant. Many humans are not social or intelligent due to mental disabilities yet we give them equal moral worth. So why make the difference when it comes to another species?

Truly sad to see the decrescendo of Sam Harris…

@AlanDantes76

Жыл бұрын

Edgy.

@griffincontracting

Жыл бұрын

Matthew Auberger

Still waiting for Sam to accept responsibility of the promotion of blockchain and cryptocurrencies to his listeners via the platforming of conmen like Marc Andreessen, Balaji, etc. Listeners bought into it as a result and are now underwater. No crypto critics and no apologies or recognition of fault. The silence is deafening, I'm a paying subscriber looking to cancel as each silent day passes.

@Jaylade

Жыл бұрын

take a shred of personal responsibility..

@WhiteWolf126

Жыл бұрын

@@Jaylade Yes, tell that to Sam; the guy who promoted SBF.

@fluffycolt5608

Жыл бұрын

​@WhiteWolf yes, quite amusing that Sam won't take advertising money so he can stay morally pure but promoted that absolute savage SBF.

The most emotional thinking person with a huge platform. Sam Harris has turned into the View for virgins.

@AlanDantes76

Жыл бұрын

Edgy.

@lizp5004

Жыл бұрын

@@AlanDantes76 pathetic. As in, your repeated "eDgY" attempts to white knight for Sam under comments critical of him is just ...pathetic.

@tcorourke2007

Жыл бұрын

He has strained my tolerance, but he is still worth checking in with. "The View for virgins" is pretty funny though.

If the co-vids got us all brett couldn't have been right! The travesty!

@TheAlibabatree

Жыл бұрын

What has Bret been right about? That dude has lost entirely all credibility. No one credible takes him seriously.

@eduardoabreu78

Жыл бұрын

@@TheAlibabatree Bret is that dude that justifies nazi fascism as a fitness strategy

If only my farts had smelled just a little sweeter. Then the conversation would have been completely different. - Sam Harris

@tier1solutions28

Жыл бұрын

Dude is obsessed with himself at this point. Ole Donnie broke so many minds. Sad.

@TheAlibabatree

Жыл бұрын

@@tier1solutions28 You people live in a bubble of obsession with that man.

More wisdom from the Malibu Meditator! @gad saad

The narrative is strong in these, people, in the comment section. Seriously, explain Unhinged? Go.

@mooseclamps

Жыл бұрын

If we just changed one variable in Stephen Byrne's mind, he wouldn't be asking this question

@stephenbyrneireland

Жыл бұрын

@@mooseclamps Proceed to explain

@soulfuzz368

Жыл бұрын

@@mooseclampsokay that was hilarious

@tcorourke2007

Жыл бұрын

Harris's latest gaff: kzread.info/dash/bejne/q4qixZaSisafmLQ.htmlh37m55s

@stephenbyrneireland

Жыл бұрын

@tcorourke2007 still trying to figure out the problem here?

a smart dog is easier to train, huh?

Sam would not know Socratic if it bit him. lol

Sam needs to Video … I love Sam because his crusade against Trump, but I watch jimmy Dore (not because I like him) but because he has a video and for reasons I can’t explain, that is better. Please please Sam just get a video going with all your podcast and everything.

@fuzzywzhe

Жыл бұрын

The "crusade against Trump" has only exposed just how the left has absolutely no principles whatsoever. He was the first president in 40 years NOT to lie us into a new war. It's been that long, since Jimmy Carter. What are you principles? Do you have ANY morality at all? Television is your god, it's replaced you ability to think.

@paulfromt.o.7384

Жыл бұрын

So you watch someone you don't like? Sounds pretty sad.

@studiedWonder

Жыл бұрын

@@paulfromt.o.7384 that’s nothing. If you think that’s sad 🤣😂 good for you buddy, how’s life on the slopes, spending time at the pub bistro talking about the peasantry 🖕

Looks like someone’s army of trolls is upset with you Sam. You must’ve hit a nerve. Although sad it is a bit entertaining.

@kemuse1

Жыл бұрын

KZread commenters are over represented by incel, conspiratorial, lonely and poorly educated/lacking original thinking groups. Most of them don't like Harris, for obvious reasons.

@enterpassword3313

Жыл бұрын

Cmon bro, i like sam, but there is honestly no defense for some of the things hes been saying over the last few years, he kinda deserves the trolls tbh

@tcorourke2007

Жыл бұрын

His latest gaff: kzread.info/dash/bejne/q4qixZaSisafmLQ.htmlh37m55s Trolls seek to get a rise. I'm just trying to take him to task.

@nfbconnect

Жыл бұрын

@@enterpassword3313 I’m not a bro. I don’t follow anyone or any thing religiously so not sure what the fuss about. I’d recommend not being so emotionally involved.

@enterpassword3313

Жыл бұрын

@@nfbconnect lol ooookay, calm down bro, if you dont know what youre talking about, then why are you trying to defend sam????... and what part of my comment makes you think im "emotionally involved"... you are extremely confused

Heh seems like Americas problem is summed up right at the beginning... Politics is based on religion instead of THOUGHT

@MoozerTheBlob

Жыл бұрын

Imagine not realizing you’re listening to a false prophet of the atheist religion.

"We got unlucky that covid didn't kill hundreds of thousands of children because if it did my ego would feel better about how wrong I've been". This is how I hear what he said. I must admit that it has been very entertaining watching a man who fancies himself as some sort of awakened mindfulness guru struggle so much with his own ego.

@tcorourke2007

Жыл бұрын

@UC1kfr--qRD7RqWoKmkwlwWw Totes. Their first album was great, but then they sold out.

@lordjaraxxus663

Жыл бұрын

"This is how I hear what he said" so youre not actually trying to understand it youre just being outraged? Youre like an outraged lefty calling any sentence racist just because you misunderstand it, but right wing version. Anyone that isnt an emotional outraged idiot can understand that sentence is a paralel hypothetical.

@stephenbyrneireland

Жыл бұрын

So let me get this straight. You came over here, to leave this, let's say, comment, that you are repeating from princess gossip Gad Saad, who got it from a 5-minute clip. Am I right?

@kemuse1

Жыл бұрын

Taken out of context, like a true incel

@jessgarza88

Жыл бұрын

You are just repeating what everyone else is saying on social media, people who are in fact misrepresenting Sam's argument

180 likes, 339 likes, 485 likes? How come so few people are positively receiving your genius, Sam? Could it be that you’ve revealed yourself to be a pretentious narcissist, who’s best defense of his world view is “if things were different then I’d be right”? In the free market place of ideas, it’s obvious that no one is buying what you have to sell.

@so_k_rat_es__society3118

Жыл бұрын

Close to 7 million deaths! Who cares about public perception? Think of all the lives Sam probably helped save. You people are insane.

@MoozerTheBlob

Жыл бұрын

You should see his dislikes. They double, triple, and quadruple his likes. People are awake to his bullshit

@WhiteWolf126

Жыл бұрын

@@so_k_rat_es__society3118 "It was impossible to know in advance the severity of the pandemic and its consequences for human health." This is simply untrue. We knew pretty early on that it was a mild disease yet the madness continued for over 2 years (and still continues).

@so_k_rat_es__society3118

Жыл бұрын

@@WhiteWolf126 Who's 'we'? Would you please quantify 'early' and provide sources? Noone considers Covid a mild disease (6.82 million deaths to date), not today and certainly not when all this began.

@tcorourke2007

Жыл бұрын

Probably. I certainly came here to mock him. But this episode was acceptable. And he's still worth checking in with.

Sam you need a youtube moderator lol. Gad Saad's viewers are invading, they're upset again

@stephenbyrneireland

Жыл бұрын

I know, straight after watching Fox News

@hoeraufist

Жыл бұрын

I think Sam doesn't even look at youtube comments and he doesn't run his Instagram. So, he won't even see what these people are saying.

@twntwrs

Жыл бұрын

@@hoeraufist Yes, Sam inhabits an exquisitely crafted silo from which he observes everyone except, of course, himself, stuck in their own silos.

@mrpopo8298

Жыл бұрын

His flying monkeys.

@jeanne553

Жыл бұрын

Gad Saad is a joke.

How delusional is this woman when it comes to religion! Especially what she said about Islam.

@jeanne553

Жыл бұрын

Religion is elaborate entrenched fiction.

Sam's latest meltdown: kzread.info/dash/bejne/q4qixZaSisafmLQ.htmlh37m55s

@workinprogress3609

Жыл бұрын

Sam is ate up with the jab like a religious fanatic. How does he not see that people are DYING?

@JohnLentSelflessHero

Жыл бұрын

@@workinprogress3609 how many people?

@workinprogress3609

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnLentSelflessHero You don't worry your pretty little head about numbers, just go get your booster.

@JohnLentSelflessHero

Жыл бұрын

@@workinprogress3609 aww you think I'm pretty 😍

@workinprogress3609

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnLentSelflessHero 😘

I can’t believe how disrespectful people are in the comments. If you don’t like the guy, just leave. What’s the deal? So, he isn’t perfect? So, he’s human. So, even someone of his intellect has opinions and blind spots. Get over it. Go get a life.

@BestCosmologist

Жыл бұрын

How about no?

@twntwrs

Жыл бұрын

Is your tone-police badge woke certified?

@tcorourke2007

Жыл бұрын

So devoid of meaning is this argument, that Harris could have claimed "Hitler did nothing wrong" and it would still apply. We are Sam's REAL fans. We remember when he prized truth above all. We've come to kidnap and deprogram him!

@douggardner8229

Жыл бұрын

This guy supports the government undermining the first ammendment because he didn't want Trump reelected. His new and amazing argument is that the destruction of free movement, the negation of medical privacy and the blackmailing of citizens is all justified because it's plausible things could have been worse. How about this? We declare martial law and revoke all rights because it's possible that nuclear war will happen tomorrow. Sam Harris has gone insane. He is an apologist for a corrupt government because his ego is too big to admit he was wrong.

@MoozerTheBlob

Жыл бұрын

He’s misleading people.

Trump and Covid totally destroyed Sams Outlook on everything. I miss the pre-trump Sam this new guy is definitely suffering from delusions.

@chazmcgooski83

Жыл бұрын

I think the vax damage gave him dementia

@Protolamna

Жыл бұрын

I'm glad Sam is willing to call out the idiocy of Donald Trump and his followers. He's also right to call out the idiocy from the whole anti-vaxxer movement. People get caught up in this magical thinking that the man who poops on the golden toilet is some sort of political savior. Somehow they think a spike protein is vastly more dangerous than an intact virus. It's just dumb and dumberer and I'm thankful he's willing to call it out for what it is.

Please just do ads Sam, you reach far less people with this model. I am interested in effective altruism and I can't justify spending $15 a month on a subscription when i could give that money to population services international.

@farqueueman

Жыл бұрын

lol "effective altruism", just like SBF.

@onlyguitar1001

Жыл бұрын

@@farqueueman Nah, as I said, I donate to an effective non profit and I chose my superfund carefully, that's about the extent of it. It's just a better use of money than giving Sam $15 a month.

@WhiteWolf126

Жыл бұрын

@@onlyguitar1001 why are you so desperate to give away $15 a months to scammers?

Sam lives in a veritable throng of tilted hate-subscribed knuckle draggers' heads rent free. **Chef's kiss**

@tcorourke2007

Жыл бұрын

Wrong, we are here to collect the rent.

@memoryhero

Жыл бұрын

:D

@hrossaman

Жыл бұрын

Nu uh, I'm not hateful... I'm a loving, happy boy, and also my knuckles don't drag

@memoryhero

Жыл бұрын

@@hrossaman Now THIS is entertainment.

@hrossaman

Жыл бұрын

@@memoryhero You're welcome very much.

Sam-we all make mistakes-the fact is that you are starting to say incredibly irrational things to stick to your own beliefs...it's religious, dogmatic, and downright sad

@Sh0rtsYT

Жыл бұрын

He’s unfortunately became completely and utterly unhinged. I hope to see why one day get back to his best and admit his shortcomings

@vvggg12

Жыл бұрын

Weird, it sounds exactly like you didn’t listen to this

@vvggg12

Жыл бұрын

You Trump defenders are just like him. Constantly complaining about snowflakes yet you are the thinnest skinned of all.

@jessgarza88

Жыл бұрын

Has it ever occurred to you that you may have misrepresented his arguments, because the guy is incredivly rational, being in the center we take flak from both sides. What they dont realize is us centrist are the only people who have not been captured by conspiracy theories or extreme ideologies

@gunnar4554

Жыл бұрын

​@@jessgarza88looool

Sam N.P.D. Harris

@MentalHealthMMA

Жыл бұрын

NPD?

@User-bl5cw

Жыл бұрын

Seethe

@brian782

Жыл бұрын

I’ll listen for Martha Nuesbaum. Hopefully Sam stop calling for stealing the election

@wasdwasdedsf

Жыл бұрын

@@User-bl5cw ezd

The real problem with the current state of Sam Harris is that it isn't going away. It's not a one or two off that can be moved past. Put him in a political conversation 2 days from now, or 2 weeks from now etc with anybody... and we can reliably predict that he will produce an absolute trainwreck of nonsense spewing out of his mind.

@exoxy

Жыл бұрын

Ok pal

@jessgarza88

Жыл бұрын

You are talking about one of the most cogent and consistent public intellectuals. Of course, it can't be that you've misrepresented his argument because that would mean that a princeton neurobiologist's intellect is superior to yours

@davidletham2521

Жыл бұрын

You're full of it. You sound lacking mate.

@beksinski

Жыл бұрын

Nice work composing a comment that it isn't remotely relevant to the topic.

@enterpassword3313

Жыл бұрын

@@jessgarza88 no, he deserves the critics, he has made a fool of himself repeatedly

“ if the facts were different then I’d be right” Has Sam addressed his nonsensical statements or does he still need to be racked over the coals.

@tcorourke2007

Жыл бұрын

SHHHHHH!! Sir please... some of us are trying to listen to the podcast!

@1R0QU012

Жыл бұрын

@@tcorourke2007 *Says this nonsense* Unwittingly outs self as not listening and scrolling through the comments.

@tcorourke2007

Жыл бұрын

@@1R0QU012 That's it, I'm getting the manager. BTW, Sam never said the skeptics would have been wrong, only that they would not have been tolerated, dummy!

@1R0QU012

Жыл бұрын

@@tcorourke2007 The video exists, his comments are nonsensical. Obviously if the facts of the pandemic were different then people’s reaction to it would be different. It’s a take that’s almost as stupid as your defense of it.

@tcorourke2007

Жыл бұрын

@@1R0QU012 But imagine the video did NOT exist. Then YOUR comments would be "nonsensical". And Sam Harris is a public intellectual. I'm pretty sure his take is not nearly as stupid as my defense of it, smh.

Harris has no moral worth tho

I wonder if Sam will address his most recent moronic statement? Nope, I don’t think he’s going to.

@buggybored

Жыл бұрын

Please, feel free to eloborate. What is his most recent statement, and why do you think it is moronic?

@deepzepp4176

Жыл бұрын

@@buggybored I’m sure you have seen it but - He tried to excuse the disproportionate response to Covid. While doing so, Sam started stumbling over his words and basically appeared pretty incoherent. He realised in real time, mid sentence, that his argument didn’t make any sense. But as we know, Sam just cannot concede anything, even when it’s clear he’s wrong about something, he just has to dig in.

@twntwrs

Жыл бұрын

@@deepzepp4176 Jordan Peterson appears to have rubbed off on him.

@buggybored

Жыл бұрын

@@deepzepp4176 I have listen to most of his content on Covid and my understanding of his views are that people, like Brett Weinstein, are questioning the vaccine doesn't come from a scientific background in the field. Some listeners wouldn't be able to difference the validity of the arguments of an vaccinologist, evolutionary biologist, neuroscientist or a conspiracy theorist. The excpertise of a plumber should weigh more than a construction worker when it comes to fixing a clugged toilet. Sam has never claimed to have any education on the topic, but argues that it might be a good idea to just listen to the ones who have, in the mids of a global pandemic.

@dmr6390

Жыл бұрын

@@deepzepp4176 did you watch the full interview? The clip about Covid was totally taken out of context by Jimmy Dore and Dave Smith. Internet commentators aren’t even trying to be honest at this point. They’re either trying to appease their audience or they are misunderstanding his point because they didn’t listen to the full podcast and don’t know what Sam and the host were discussing

Does Sam continue to call for absolutely immoral measures to overthrow our democracy in this episode?

@uofute

Жыл бұрын

Does Brian realize how incredibly ignorant, unserious, and politically tribal he reveals himself to be in this comment?

@brian782

Жыл бұрын

@@uofute tribal? I’m not the one blind to how bizzare it is for Sam to want to steal the election just because he can’t see the humanity in trump

@tcorourke2007

Жыл бұрын

@@uofute Heckling is an art, fanboi.

@wasdwasdedsf

Жыл бұрын

@@uofute i dare you to give ONE argument as to how he was lying about his claim abotu sam, or how HES supposedly the politically tribal one. what imagineable thing was political in his post?

@uofute

Жыл бұрын

@@wasdwasdedsf Sam has attempted to defend democracy against the blatant and transparent measures taken by the MAGA right to overthrow it. Suggesting that Sam did anything to support overthrowing democracy was a lie, and an obviously political one because only someone who is both tribally aligned with the GOP and unwilling to consider Sam's comments fully would think he called for anything immoral, let alone for anything remotely approaching overthrowing democracy.

if only Hitch were alive to remind sam of who he once was

Does Philosophy lead you to eternal life? How long do you want to live Sam? A life time or for eternity? Jesus is the way the truth and the life, no one shall come to the Father in heaven but through Him. I pray for your salvation and call on Jesus to pay for your sins. I called on Him and I feel at peace. Love you!❤️

What's with all the Weinstein shills in the comments? Tiny-minds love anti-vax talking points....

@hrossaman

Жыл бұрын

Most of Sam's appeal these days is his bull headed denialism of his own wrongness..... it's why I'm here.

Hunter biden's laptop

@dandybufo9664

Жыл бұрын

Hillary's email

@tcorourke2007

Жыл бұрын

@@dandybufo9664 Joe Biden's Top Secret 'Vette Documents.