My old Dad accompanied it all the way from England, on HMS Ark Royal!

Thank you for this. I remember visiting with my father in 1957 before they sailed.

No clean water, no modern sanitationand being dead in the water for long periods of time. It's like being on a Carnival cruise.

Imagine all of those people crammed into that tiny ship, and then crossing the Atlantic at one of the worst times of the year. The Atlantic storms are notorious. Very brave souls! My ancestor was on the Speedwell that had to go back to Leiden, his name is Thomas Blossom Sr. He came on the next journey over, but died not long after arrival. His death is noted in Bradford's journal.

On Thanksgiving Day 1957 the Mayflower II opened to the public. I was there and got to board the ship which seemed incredibly small to have made such a long journey. The huge crowds that day were very excited but patient with the long lines. Just to give perspective it was just one month prior in October 1957 that the Russian satellite Sputnik (the first artificial satellite ever to circle the Earth) had circled far over our heads. At night Sputnik was visible from our front yards and everyone was outside to watch it travel overhead with it's blinking lights that were visible from the ground.

Byłam tam i zwiedzałam cały skansen w Plymouth, coś pięknego ,warto odwiedzić i dowiedzieć się o tym okręcie jak również o historii przepłynięcia pierwszych osadników z Anglii w Ameryce, fascynujące!!!

I remember going on board with my class in NYC. What stuck in my mind was how cramped the interior was - even the low ceilings. I was told people were much shorter back then.

@GrahamBradley

3 жыл бұрын

Man that must have been awesome to see, though. Philbrick said in his book that the tweendecks only had 5' of clearance. Makes me wonder how tall Myles Standish was, even by the standards of back then he was considered short.

Looking forward to meeting you all in Plymouth UK in 2020

@terrycourtnadge4159

4 жыл бұрын

Wednesday September 16th (cross fingers)

Nice. Thanks for sharing this.

awesome ship and voyage !! my dad has one Man o war/Mayflower ship, model of Revel kiko made in Brazil !!! thx for post this great vídeo !!! God bless !!

I love this, I just tweeted it out. I think all the whiners of today who think that the voyage of the Mayflower was no big deal, and all the Pilgrims did was oppress the natives as soon as they stepped off Plymouth Rock. We have to stop thinking about "diversity is our strength" and instead think about us all being Americans first, and after that, it's completely your own business and no one else's. In my childhood we learned about our nations history, and we didn't think about sex at all until about 6th grade... and we certainly didn't like to think that we might not be the sex we were born.... I mean, no girls wanted to be boys, none I knew, anyway (and I was the most tomboy-ish girl in class. I used to hang with the boys.) OOps I got off-topic. HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!

Hahaha I love all these semi-modern folks having a great time on the voyage but technology was super fucking limited back in 1620 so most people just got sick and suffered the whole voyage. 102 people doesn't sound like a lot but that's 102 people crammed into the lower decks of a ship that's constantly rocking back and forth in the waves. You've got barely enough rations to survive the trip and there's probably no doctors or medicine.

@funnelvortex7722

2 жыл бұрын

In 1620 you either got sick and suffered on land where you had to deal with an oppressive king or you went out and got sick and suffered at sea where you had to deal with the real possibility of dying. It was really a case of pick your poison back then. It is astonishing how different quality of life was on sailing vessels between the early and late age of sail. By the 1700s conditions on sailing vessels became much more comfortable and the trips became much shorter, and by the early 1800s the ships became much faster and had more accommodations. Earlier sailing vessels like the Mayflower were not built to cross the wide ocean, most of them were vessels meant to trade between European and African ports and were repurposed to go across the ocean because it was cheaper to send an existing vessel than to build a purpose-built ship for investments that were uncertain (early colonization). So you got a vessel not meant for the journey carrying more people than it was meant to do and going on a longer voyage than it was meant for only being able to carry the amount of supplies it was initially built for, yikes. Fortunately clippers a couple centuries later were able to reduce the journey to a couple weeks and with a smaller crew + more room for supplies.

I hear merrymount was the place to be banished to

You do realize there is a difference between the Pilgrims and the Puritans right? You would never find John Winthrop admitting that he was a separatist which is what William Bradford and the Pilgrims were.The Pilgrims in fact did come to America on the Mayflower captained by Christopher Jones and they did make a compact before landing recognizing the need for a civil Government. They also were not alone as about half of those who came were not even Pilgrims but fortune seekers.

@ILikeToLaughAtYou

4 жыл бұрын

... it was 1957...

@nunyabiznez6381

3 жыл бұрын

34 of my ancestors came here on the original 400 years ago. Some were separatists and some were not. The leading families did not come here seeking freedom. They came here to found a theocracy based on their religious beliefs. They had sought refuge in Holland prior to coming here but found that the people of Holland influenced the younger members of the group with their very liberal ideas of freedom and morality. So they decided to go where such influences did not exist. They filed official papers to join the colony at Jamestown but Stephen Hopkins, one of my ancestors, had reported to the leaders of the group that Jamestown was a modern day Sodom and Gomorrah and so it was decided that they would settle a part of New England reported by Gosnold to be ideal for a colony. Many people who came to America in search of religious freedom were banned from entering Plymouth Colony and later the Massachusetts Bay Colony for being of the wrong faith. The penalty for Baptists and Quakers found in those colonies was death.

Please don't tell me you were actually taught that? The Puritans didn't even go to America on the Mayflower - they didn't go to America in order to avoid religious persecution either, they went in order to be able to persecute - what they objected to was the religious freedom in England which meant that there were many ranges of religion. In 1660, they hanged a woman named Mary Dyer just for being a quaker. They wanted to build a country where there could be no dissent from puritanism.

@nunyabiznez6381

3 жыл бұрын

You are only partially correct. First of all, the people historians often refer to as "Puritans" Never called themselves that. That is a derogatory term used by others to describe them. They sometimes called themselves reformers. Their mission was to go to a place where they were free to set up a theocracy based on how they thought God should be worshiped. They enforced their theocratic beliefs quite strictly whereas the Plymouth officials did not and in fact in Plymouth the leaders weren't even required to be church members, John Alden wasn't. But in both colonies, Baptists, Society of Friends members and others were "warned off" on penalty of death as they were believed to be too far out of alignment even with the reformist ideals of the believers of Massachusetts. By the Way, Quaker is considered derogatory by members of the Society of Friends. And you are correct, one of my ancestors was a member and was put to death in Plymouth colony around 1640. As for religious freedom, there was no religious freedom in England at the time. Several of the Plymouth settlers had sought religious freedom in Holland a few years before because several of their members had been imprisoned in England for religious dissension. They held illegal private church meetings in their homes and William Brewster was among those imprisoned. The reason they came to America was to found a theocracy without being molested by the Church of England or the government. England was glad to be rid of them but they began unloading their prisons into the new colonies so eventually the church had less and less power over the colony. Plymouth had always been the more liberal of the two colonies and the further out onto the Cape you went the less enforced religion was. Fishermen often sought refuge out on the Cape and often never went to church at all and in fact the very outer settlements didn't get their first churches until the 18th century. One of my ancestors "magically" escaped their jail cell in Salem and "magically" appeared in what is today Provincetown a year later. There they practiced their "witchcraft" unmolested for the rest of their lives. In point of fact they were folk healers and people from Plymouth would travel for days to seek their treatment and then go back to Plymouth and listen to the preacher tell them that god was the only healer. If you were a member of the society of Friends you could simply go live on Cape Cod and in fact eventually they set up an enclave in Sandwich which remains to this day. The very first American colony actually founded on true religious freedom was colonies of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations by Roger Williams in 1636 a mere 16 years after Plymouth and 8 years before William Penn was born and there anyone could practice the religion of their choice without fear of persecution. In Rhode Island is the oldest synagogue in the U.S. Long before the revolution there were Bhudists and Muslims there as well. All this despite Roger Williams having been a reformist. But he fled Massachusetts because the "Puritans" there persecuted him as well. I learned all of this when I lived on the former property of William Blackstone who was the first to move to Rhode Island in search of religious freedom. He is the one who suggested it to Roger Williams.

Okay so I would join England and ally Portugal them conscript The lower classes and load them onto dozens of exquisite colonist ships and take voyage to The New World and pass out papers on what land they should settle down on taking Louisiana and Georgia from The Current inhabitants and laying down The Flag of their Home Country in their dormitory rooms Then take The ships en route to Spain then proceed to forcefully conscript young men to take over Florida and The Yucaton...

The real Mayflower became scrap wood for barn houses ETC. back in England understand this is a smaller remake which probably looks nothing like the real Mayflower did and they never landed on a rock

@nunyabiznez6381

3 жыл бұрын

The Mayflower II is 106 feet long and 180 tons. Records indicate that the original was between 100 feet and 110 feet long and was 180 tons. We know it was of Dutch design typical for a passenger/cargo ship of the period because the records state that as well. There are vast numbers of paintings from the period depicting such ships and their design is fairly consistently similar to each other. The marine architect who designed the Mayflower II based his design on the most common elements and popular colors of such ships. If you were to transport that ship back in time to 1622 and sailed it back into Plymouth Harbor (Massachusetts) the Pilgrims would have most likely thought it was the original until they got up really close and noticed some minor differences and even then if you merely told them it had been refitted they might have believed you. There really wasn't a lot of variations of design from one ship of similar size and function to another. The original was scrapped in 1624 or thereabouts after only about 15 years of service. Also, as a descendant of 34 of it's passengers and a historian intimately familiar with the colony's history I can tell you that the tradition of the landing of Plymouth Rock is mostly true. The area along Plymouth harbor is and always was quite muddy. There was only one rock of substantial size convenient for the use as a stepping stone at the time of their original landing. The Mayflower would have anchored in the harbor a few hundred feet off shore behind the protection of what today is called Plymouth Beach forming a natural sheltering harbor. But there was no place deep enough to pull up a 180 ton ship. So they got into the shallop and sailed it to the shore looking for a landing spot. They would have sought a location where there was fresh water as that would have been critical to the survival of any colony. There is only one location where there is such fresh water and that is the town brook. Plymouth Rock is located a 450 feet from the mouth of the town brook. They waited until high tide to disembark as it would have been impossible to land in the mud and walk the rest of the way to shore. I know. I have tried. The mud just a few feet off shore is knee deep or deeper. If you go today you might be temped to say that with all the rocks along the shore how would one know which one was the original Plymouth Rock and the answer is easy. The one that is worn smooth by wave action and is not granite imported there from New Hampshire a little over 100 years ago. Prior to then there simply were no other suitable rocks to land on. One needed such a landing stone to conveniently step out of a shallop and step onto the ground above the high tide line that was not muddy. The rock today is actually a smaller piece that was broken off over a hundred years ago when they first moved it. We know which one because it has always been sheltered by a shrine for over 150 years which is prior to any other large rocks being put there. The fact is though that since it was broken off of a larger piece there is more than one Plymouth Rock though that other piece has since been buried under the sea wall. Fortunately records of such things have been kept in Plymouth since before the Revolution. The significance though has not been recognized until within the last 150 years. This is because in most coastal towns with a harbor and muddy shore there has been an original landing spot made of rock. The founders of new colonies when laying out a new town along a shore would seek out an appropriate landing spot. Most were forgotten as soon as a proper dock was built. Since Plymouth has always sought to preserve it's history there have been records indicating such historical things. I have a map of Plymouth harbor from 1736 which has Plymouth Rock marked clearly. When they brought in all the granite from New Hampshire to line the shore with they built an enclosure around Plymouth Rock to protect it and they engraved "1620" on it. I know that to most people it seems like mythology but there really is a Plymouth Rock and it really was a stepping stone used by the Pilgrims when they first came. But was it the actual first place where the Pilgrims first set foot on land at Plymouth? we can't know for sure. All we know is it was the only stepping stone used in the first few years though one could certainly say the Pilgrims on that first day could have landed in a muddy spot and got their leggings all muddy and hiked up and down the shore until they found a suitable rock and said "OK next time we pull the shallop here so we don't get all muddy!" In any case, to those who have lived in Plymouth before modern times, it was always very obvious where it was and what it was used for.

@funnelvortex7722

2 жыл бұрын

The Mayflower actually made multiple trips between England and the New World, it was broken up in England because it was privately owned and it was abandoned after it's owner died IIRC.

@billbogg3857

Жыл бұрын

0:10 No it must be very close to a replica of the original. You cannot just shrink a ship. Let us suppose you design a ship 20’ long and 5’ beam , the volume of the ship is 20 x 5 = 100 sq ft . Now suppose you make it 22 x 6’ beam . The volume of the ship rises by a third 132 sq ft . Now you are in trouble you need at least a third more sail area to drive her . All the calculations for every single item are wrong .You have to design again from scratch .It cannot be a replica

the Mayflower's is oldest ship

@inkey2

8 жыл бұрын

+kenneth allshouse you think the Mayflower is the oldest ship in existance????

@arsenioprosser9197

6 жыл бұрын

This ship was actually use to take slave to Africa Liberia 🇱🇷 a country on the west coast of Africa

@nunyabiznez6381

3 жыл бұрын

@@arsenioprosser9197 The Mayflower II has never been to any part of Africa. It has had one ocean voyage and that was in 1957 from England to America and has been on display mostly in Plymouth MA since. It has never made a commercial voyage but rather only has sailed for educational and display purposes.

@nunyabiznez6381

3 жыл бұрын

@@arsenioprosser9197 If you are referring to the original Mayflower ship, there are no records indicating that it was ever used for the transport of slaves. The ship was destroyed in 1624 a mere 5 years into the existence of slavery in the British colonies. No slaves were imported to Plymouth Colony prior to the destruction of the Mayflower and the Mayflower only made one trip to the Americas and that was to Plymouth in 1620 and the only "slaves" aboard were White indentured servants, two of whom were my ancestors.

cool story but all bullshit.