Colaiuta has superior understanding of polyrhythms; Zappa is on record as saying VC was the first drummer he employed who really understood the application of polyrhythms in a musical context; he was also a 'phenomenal' reader. The way he uses meter in an improvisatory context is second to none, just has so many more tricks up his sleeve, always pulls something new out of nowhere, admire others on your list but VC just continues to surprise me, can't say the same for the Weckl et al.

From analog to Vees!!!! Awesome!

I was there! Zildjian Day in New York, May 20, 1984; great clinic! Hard to believe it was 36 years ago.....................

@eyybc

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You were definitely at the right place at the right time

I love old Vinnie

awesome.... loved his work on joe's garage

OMG... his speed on the bass drum at 2:10 is just INSANE!

It's amazing that at one time people thought those electronic pads sounded good.

Matched, traditional, german, french grip it doesnt matter which one use. Its a matter of how much you practice.

vinnie is one of the fiew drummers that will play with only one basedrum and be very fast at it. those double and triples are insane. paul delong, rick gratton are just a couple that come to mind who also folow this style of playing. very good vid.

Thanks, this was a reare treasure. I love to watch Vinnie soloing with sequencer, it's sometimies hard for me to follow his soloing without any backround. That's how far he goes... (the music though was a bit gay Ü ) The 5/4 basic groove reminds of seven days-maybe Sting wrote the song based on VInnie groove?

i like it. less choked ang ghost notes just feel better in the hand on the snare.

Yo man I love the way he's playing "around" the track. sorry if the "phraseology" is not understood. lol Vinnie is a great drummer....and is quickly becoming one of my favorite drummers.

@CrazyDave313 I don't think anyone here is disputing that, might slag him off, but we still love what he does, he's a legend.

the best!!

They both practiced non-stop. Arguably, Weckl's style was a response to the demands of a mid-80's session environment that was increasingly using drum machines and click tracks; Colaiuta had cut his teeth before that paradigm shift happened (not that it didn't effect his playing). Personally I think Weckl's best playing was prior to 1990 peaking on Inside Out. Then he got all stiff or something. Both are simply monster talents.

There is a reason Jeff hired him and Tal for his group

The cool thing about the first 2:00 is it sounds awesome as a solo piece but can I can totally add horns to this and create a catchy tune to be played at all wedding receptions and baseball games (I know those are two totally different things, but trust me).

I'm not dissing Weckl he is a GREAT drummer. I just believe that Vinnie is THAT good. Weckl is the product of great talent, and monster hours of practice. In fact, he went to the same music school that I went to, and he hung out with a buddy of mine. He is a notorious practicer. If you play, you can tell. Its not a bad thing, but to me Vinnie is such a natural, he's just more gifted. I would have to bet that he doesnt put in nearly the hours of practice that Dave does either, but I cant prove it

Si si, es el!

I think most drummers would agree that traditional gives you a "lighter touch" than matched (a reason why so many jazz drummer choose to use traditional over matched) I'm sure that there are people who for some reason or another don't find this true for themselves, but it definitely is for most of the drummers I've ever talked I play traditional b/c I feel I have more "finesse" when I do; It feels like my weight is "underneath" the stick (it's just a feel thing, it's hard to explain)

Intense;)

Fast and Bulbous!

The best of the "Gadd school" drummers. So superior to Weckl...he was born to play the drums. (even though I love Weckl...but Vinnie is so much more rhythmically INNOVATIVE.)

Correction: Unless I would carry a drum ( not between my legs, but on the side of course:)

Vinnie may look a little different here and be using match grip, but I hear his usual brilliance splashed through the whole thing.

6:20 here was born "Seven Days"

what an incredible mustache

oh man the pull technique at 4:30

I disagree that one is necessarily gripping the sticking when using matched grip, exactly what you describe for the traditional grip is achievable using matched grip, it's how you manipulate the fulcrum in controlling the rebound. If you "grip", the mechanism is choked, especially at faster tempos. I really see no difference in the resultant sound, the more you choke, using either grip, the more closed the sound, because the coupling of the stick with the head is dampened.

Vinnie plays both rudimentary grip and matched grip, dependent upon the application. One way is not inherently better, but one is usually more appropriate. This isn't a black and white world, kids.

@leftpuman start practicing your thumb on a rebound pad first cause thumb is the fulcrum...after getting comftarble practice whrist with open palm..or download mayer's dvd (secret weapons) good luck

I think he's playing something like RLLRLLRLLRLLRLLRLL with right on the ride

@BokorugroRR Anyone that says all Derek is is speed has not watched much of his stuff. Not saying Colaiuta isn't amazing, but Derek is a great drummer in his own right.

In your opinion Many drummers would kindly disagree and say that trad gives a lighter touch and should be used in jazz, or that you should use whichever grip is more comfortable Buddy Rich, for instance, thinks the opposite of your thoughts: he sees matched grip as useless and restricting on a set,and that the "correct way" is to use trad which allows you to "get around" faster I don't agree with that, I just think there's no real concrete answer when it comes to which grip to use where

Gotta get those rudiments down to ever come close to playing like this.

oh and what's with the matched grip?!?!?!

@leftpuman Getting power with traditional just requires Moeller Technique. As for speed, it just takes time. Practice with pillows and bouncy pads, but the majority of your practice time should be on actual drums. It's the same as getting good at matched grip, really

Weckl makes easy things look hard, but Vinnie makes hard things look easy. Take your pick.

around 26 I think if this video was shot in 82

@Dogdrum

4 жыл бұрын

1985.

@davidpenna There is nothing wrong with Match Grip

nope, you are wrong, the stick will not "fall to the grond" at all, no grip is required, particularly if using French grip, the stick cradles naturally without gripping. You cannot exploit rebound in your playing if you are gripping the stick, and that goes for matched and traditional grip.

everything is allright?

Groove from 02:13 Video Drum Transcription sellfy.com/p/VuDN/

David Garabaldi from Tower Power is just as good.

Yes, everything that I say or write is my opinion. Otherwise I wouldn't write it. :) Buddy Rich has no clue...hehehe, just kidding. I play both, matched and trad. and I really don't see the advantage of trad. unless I would carry a drum between my legs and walking (marching). It's up to you. But there's really no restriction.

That's not to say, however, that people who play matched can't play as lightly as those who use traditional, or that people who play trad can't play as aggressively as those who play matched I'm just saying that most of the drummers I've encountered say they have a lighter feel with trad than with matched

in terms of restricting rebound, there is no difference, one grip is a matter of tradition and the "benefits" are arguably psychological, look at the physics of the matter, earlier thread discusses this re: french grip. Does matched grip limit finesse amongst those who play mallet instruments or orchestral percussion? no it doesn't, case in point.

I see now were Matt Garstka comes from

you maybe haven't seen his set-up with Zappa then, the drums were even more angled, and higher, with roto-toms! Simmons were all the rage at one point, as were bad haircuts and muscle shirts, the trousers are his own personal statement, now he's into jesus, so who knows what the fuck will happen next.

4:25 Samba...

who cares who is better than who....typical american thinking. i just enjoy everything for what it is...

How old was he when he did this clinic?

@albertofontana3480

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29

Wow... what an epic solo! Shame about the quality :(

@jiro69100 n00B comment

Yeh but its about the playing,, Not the pants

not sure about that really, in terms of biomechanics, I can't see a scientific reason why this would be so, your description is speculative at best, no reason whatsoever why you couldn't invert the description, look at players of mallet based instruments, matched grip, yet a full dynamic range is displayed, as light, or as loud, as required. I think it really is a question of preference and the weight of tradition.

That has nothing to do with traditional or matched. You just practiced alot more trasitional. For me it's exactly the opposite ;-)

Not for me, but you're entitled to your opinion. All great drummers...but simply not in Vinnie's ballpark.

lol he sounds way different now....(vocally, i mean) like higher pitched and he says the letter "H" like he's jewish. but this is great, ofcourse!!!!!!!!!

I hate to keep this stupid argument going, but I to put in my $.02. Dave Weckl hasn't recorded a meaningful piece of music since 1984 with Robert Plant's Honey Drippers. He plays elevator music---which nobody can deny--- and on the merit of his recordings, you CAN'T compare him to Vinnie. Chambers has a little more artist cred, but he can't read music, so that HAS to hinder his ability to play sessions. The artists who have hired Vinnie speaks louder than chops.

you mean '225' bpm??hahaha

There's is no reason to play trditional grip unless you play in a marching band. I teach only matched grip. Cheers

@CrazyDave313 Yeah, why is he such as damn Jesus freak?

@saadatabad1

4 жыл бұрын

Major blow problem in the mid 80s

@albertofontana3480

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Yes

definitely harder. transitioning to traditional so that i could march snare was very difficult. Haolekillah, if you think trad is easier, perhaps you have never drummed a day in your life

Maybe it's just me, but I hate watching Vinnie play with a matched grip.

hey haolekillah its harder to play traditional and the greatest drummers play traditional theyre the "real men"

I know why some view said they didn't like the video (besides the quality). Vinnie is sporting a rather ugly mullet and mustache.