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@azadyadav9319

3 жыл бұрын

I enjoy your work.

@gonzothegreat1317

3 жыл бұрын

There is a caveat one should know about Frankl. This explains some of it: muse.jhu.edu/article/43137#REF104

Man, I just HAVE to read up on Frankl, now. Also, I am eternally surprised by just how many existential problems Jung was able to tackle in his lifetime. Truly one of the greatest minds of the twentieth century.

"The meaning of life,is to give life meaning." "Live to love,and you'll love to live."

I voted against the Meaning of LIfe video in a previous poll, stating that so many others have done it and it's talked to death....but you have presented it in a much better way than others. Well done!!

@ThoughtsonThinking

3 жыл бұрын

Usually with my voting polls I let the audience pick what they want to see first. I usually always do both videos at some time or another. Thanks! :)

@ThoughtsonThinking

3 жыл бұрын

What is that supposed to mean?

@devinroy799

3 жыл бұрын

@Thoughts on Thinking ... I believe what Fynes is suggesting is the possibility of group think as a source for truth. Sort of like saying that the average truth in a population is their truth. Because you have polling, perhaps you consider polling to be a source for truth, I suppose, though that seems to be a leap writing it "out loud". Such is speculation at times...

@ThoughtsonThinking

3 жыл бұрын

@@devinroy799 I use the pole so people can choose between what video they may prefer to see first, way of interaction with the community 😊

Asking, "what is the meaning of life?", is not the same as asking, "what is the meaning of your individual life?". What is the meaning of physics, chemistry, and biology? What is the meaning of your experience as a form of biological awareness? These are two questions that exist in different scopes and reference different things. They are in no way the same however similar.

This was a proper hammering! great work on finding these parallels.

Succinct and compelling, as in “demands to be considered, to be introjectected.” Thank you for the generous sharing of your observations and insights into the thinking and ideals of these great men, these post existentialist humanists. Sadly the mass neurosis, necrosis, continues, but let’s go on with hope for our own awakening and that of our fellow man.

Very well done! I will be tuning in to your channel more often. Keep up the good work.

Hey, I was just thinking and I think it would be a great idea to start a discord. That way a conversation can start on there at any time and it would be a cool place to gather with like minded people.

When i saw this is the facebook group i could help but wait for this release Thank you really thoughtful! till the next one.

Really enjoyed this video. Keep up the good work!

Very nicely done, crisply presented and narrated, thank you for your efforts.

Great video! I have loved this channel ever since I found it.

Bravo! You pulled that together in a beautiful circle. Definitely going into my saved videos for a little pick me up when I need it.

Interesting breakdown! Thank you I'll just keep reading and experiencing for myself

Very interesting discussion on the problem of meaning with respect to western culture in the last century especially. Frankl's loco therapy is fascinating.

This was very insightful, thank you! I would suggest to pause at the end for a moment before going to the credit talk.

Thank you. This (my initial hearing) most enlightening.

So many wills. Freud: will to pleasure, Adler: will to power, James: will to believe, Frankl/Camus: will to meaning, Mäinlander: will to die. They are all influenced on some level by Schopenhauer, Nietzsche, and Kierkegaard. Mäinlander was a contemporary of Kierkegaard, I think, and whose writings influenced, some argue directly, Nietzsche. Anyway, I think as a compatibilist, free will is reconciled to determinism through evolution and emergence. I think the Stoics did this, and perhaps Darwin, Hume, and Daniel Dennett. There's a danger of denying essences, especially biological ones, by replacing it with others, especially environmental ones, in arguments for libertarian free will, which is something that Kropotkin, Skinner, Hayek, Descartes, Kant, Nozick, Chisholm, Robert Kane, Thomas Reid, and the late David Graeber did, whereas Dennett, Pigliucci, William James, and Chomsky say that infinite possibilities can arise from finite choices. There is weirdly some overlap between the incompatibilists and compatibilists, especially with Dennett's reference to deliberative indeterminism, which Pigliucci does as well to update the Stoic hégemonikon with modern neuroscience esp. with the recent update to Libet's experiment thus refuting the original conclusions of absolute neurobiological determinism.

One of the most amazing implementations of these psychological truths is from a guy who wouldn't know anything about it but gained it as a result of his work. David Goggins himself, the quote you expressed from Frankl perfectly sums up how he thinks. "the GAP between what ONE IS and what one SHOULD BECOME". His book and life is the most solid psychological conquest for the 'meaning of life' I've ever read and he knows nothing about psychology. I think Jordan Peterson said once that there's a clear delineation from being intelligent and being wise and he is the pure embodiment of that presuppositon.

@ThoughtsonThinking

3 жыл бұрын

Wisdom beats intelligence every time, will look into it, thanks!

@gabrielorville821

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThoughtsonThinking You're in for a treat. I've started to look into athletes because of Campbell, Maslow and Adler, the psychological needs to mee the physical I think.

Such good content, thank you

I can not believe how much is this video superb!

beautiful, thanks

It is incredible how accurate these consepts holds true today

nicely done

This video was brief and concise, yet wonderful and informative! I would have liked more info on Carl Jung, but that’s just a personal bias. Thank you!😊👍

New subscriber, love your contents Good job 👍

The Meaning Of and Reason For existence represent two complementary ways of understanding our world-the why and the how. Meaning expresses a condition of wholeness-of permanence and continuity-while Reason expresses a condition of fragmentation-of temporality and discreteness. This conflict of quality can only find harmony with the intellect, which works by putting things in categories, if we should be able to define meaning as a consequence of reason, or reason as a consequence of meaning. That is, we are simply unable to conceive of the Meaning-Reason construct as the unified entity that it actually is-we divide it into two. Only by looking beyond both science and spirituality can we perceive the world as one.

Excellent

Nice video bro👍🏻

The meaning of an individual life, gives dignity to human being and indeed is their very personal task in life (like Socrates said: "The unexamined life is not worth living") . Frankl stressed the freedom of man, that we can always change the situation, and where we cannot change it, we are still free to change our viewpoint on it (little bit like the stoics). The german book is translated"... still say yes to life" written by the man who survived Holocaust as the only family member and found his meaning in life. His work is a lighthouse to everyone.

Another great video

Yes indeed ! This form of therapy has been very useful for me when working with college age persons. There is a big existential crisis than!!

Great video! It definitely changed my perspective, which is always Good. I have one correction, though: though I disagree with Freud in that he did away with individual needs entirely, i think that saying that he believed in a «will to pleasure» is a misconception. It is moreso «a will to whatever leads to the continuation of the species»

Also there nice topics by Rollo May, Yalom, Maslow and Buber

i love this

I agree, but my answer is more concise. If we can agree that life can be defined as a short period of time in the universe where we have consciousness, then also agree that consciousness simply means to be a receiver, interpreter, and transmitter for information, than the meaning of life is to learn and apply. If anyone can see a discrepancy in this, please let me know for I am unable to find one.

That's a great video, love it.

@alfonso201

3 жыл бұрын

Siluk

@kagandokanak3914

3 жыл бұрын

ALFONSO , what is that?

What you should know about Victor Frankl: As director, Frankl was given the opportunity to conduct experimental brain surgeries on suicidal patients. Reticent over the years about these experiments, he did not mention them in his original 1973 autobiographical statement. 27 He did describe the research in a private 1981 interview with Canadian filmmaker Tom Corrigan, but claimed the information "might be of interest ... but it could not be of use." 28 Frankl described these experiments in a short article published in 1942, and later, in 1995 (two years before his death), in his autobiography, Was nicht in meinen Büchern steht (published in 1997 in English as Recollections: An Autobiography). 29 In the latter, Frankl claimed that although he had no training in neurosurgery and "[Viennese brain surgeon] Professor Schönbauer did not even allow me to look on when he performed brain surgery," he found himself nevertheless "able to conduct the surgery." Frankl also admitted that the "primary surgeon Reich had refused to undertake the surgeries." 30 When, in order to avoid deportation to concentration camps, patients had overdosed on sleeping pills and subsequently had been given up for dead by other doctors, Frankl felt justified in attempting relatively novel brain surgery techniques. First, "some injections intravenously ... and if this didn't work I gave them injections into the brain ... into the Cisterna Magna. And if that did not work I made a trepanation, opened the skull ... inserted drugs into the ventricle and made a drainage so the drug went into the Aquaeductus Sylvii.... People whose breathing had stopped suddenly started breathing again." But he "could only keep them alive for twenty-four hours, no longer." 31 Frankl's drugs of choice were the amphetamines Pervitin and Tetrophan. These ethically questionable experiments could be viewed as bordering on collaboration with the Nazis. Not only was Frankl's research supported by the Nazis, but his actions stood outside a vision of Jewish communal solidarity.

@ThoughtsonThinking

3 жыл бұрын

I will look into this, thanks for bringing it up!

@knockda887

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting -but did you read his book?

I am by no means an expert on the subject, I am currently studying about it, but as I watched I thought that it was rather carelass to state about such a complex word as Logos with that ease. Stating that it just means "meaning", it is debatable the exact parallel with english, some people link it to discourse but I'd even go forth and say it's not "just" discourse, but rather, that Logos is the articulation of meaning, and not just meaning, Logos is an universal principle that articulates. So it could even be seen biologically as the "thing" that causes the proper order in organic matter to be articulated so that it is able to "create" or become articulated into life. It's a complex word with tremendous meaning.

Actually, even Peterson would fit in here nicely! Great vid!

Great video! For me, the more profound inversion of the question "What is the meaning of life?" is "What am I?" or even better "What is me?" What am I generally? What am I here and now? What is this experience that is me?

@yag0d

3 жыл бұрын

Well, all of these questions are about meaning, about your meaning, more precisely. So, I don't see how this is an exact objection, or alternative, to the question "What does life mean to me?" -- as Nietzsche said "He who has a why can bear any how". They, the questions you proposed, just seem like something derived from the "life meaning" question, as if after you solve the question the ones you made can be easily answered.

@justinlanan2565

3 жыл бұрын

@@yag0d HOW DARE YOU lol jk yah they're really just all one family grouping of the same question. There is no perfect wording for what we are asking.

@yag0d

3 жыл бұрын

@@justinlanan2565 At least there is a direction to which we can orient ourselves and act upon, though. That's what is valuable.

@liamharvey3435

3 жыл бұрын

You should experiment with some Buddhist theory and practice

@justinlanan2565

3 жыл бұрын

@@liamharvey3435 Any reading recommendations for theory? I have already begun a meditation practice. Have read Mindfulness in Plain English and am reading The Mind Illuminated. So far it has been completely life changing.

I am currently experiencing an existential vacuum, wow.

@alinbarba1418

3 жыл бұрын

it's humanity as a whole who is experiencing it, not just you, and even those who do not experience it are living in societies which are a result of the vacuum, surrounded by concepts and ideas stemming from this vacuum.

@samintosaya5150

3 жыл бұрын

Alin Barba holy cow

I like your style.

@ThoughtsonThinking

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks! 🙏

I think Camus would have been fascinating to watch debate on KZread if he'd been around in our day. Such a character. A bit like Hitchens, but not as strident.

The meaning of life, to Pursuit self happiness and 42.

Tradition in the sense of what Frankl is describing, is nothing more than cutting off the end of the roast for the sake of keeping the memory of cutting the end off the roast alive.

Hell to the yes:)

Beatyfull

Being is a creative act. Only a dead and mechanical mind becomes blind to this.

@MrJamesdryable

3 жыл бұрын

All minds are dead and mechanical.

@a-rod1527

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrJamesdryable ...?

@MrJamesdryable

3 жыл бұрын

@@a-rod1527 Nothing is ever created. Everything simply is and has always been.

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What are examples of the meaning of life found by others? Meaning as an action??? Help others as the Main meaning of life. What other meaning are meanings??

a tensionless state is stagnation, and prolly leads to neuroticism or sumn idk

I am a law unto myself.

What are some great books to start reading philisophers directly? (Not fiction)

@scottkraft1062

3 жыл бұрын

Carl Jung the undiscovered self Ernest Becker The Denial of death Viktor Frankl Man's Search for meaning. Friedrich Nietzsche Beyond good and bad

@senpaitm8742

3 жыл бұрын

Scott kraft i love the Man's Search for meaning!

@scottkraft1062

3 жыл бұрын

The human mind is an amazing thing I thought about that book for a couple days after I finished

@scottkraft1062

3 жыл бұрын

@@senpaitm8742 have you read anything from the other authors i recommended

@senpaitm8742

3 жыл бұрын

Scott kraft not yet! I love philosophy in general and i know the basics, but i still want to start reading the philosophers directly... sometimes i think i won't undearstand their texts and this desmotivates me

T on T out here hearting every comment XD

@ThoughtsonThinking

3 жыл бұрын

❤️😂

Logos doesn't mean exactly " meaning" in ancient greek but rather " discourse " .

This video closely lost out to the vote by 2%, while still a loss it was essentially a draw, the margins were that thin, but well give it to the video that won with its clearly less appealing characters, not withstanding Nietzsche. I suspect a few voted for what they thought was the more intellectual topic, but ended up only watching the more emotional/spiritual one. Mankind has conquered everything but is not satisfied. Sometimes I think we'd be better off annihilating ourselves in one go, but we'd never trust ourselves enough for it. Let the earth start over, with other interesting life-expressions.

I thought the meaning of life was cheese 🤯

@gamer-sama7769

3 жыл бұрын

Always has been

@KingUkno

3 жыл бұрын

@@gamer-sama7769 😁🤤

Understanding that humans have no ultimate meaning or purpose doesn't automatically lead to nihilism. Why do people make this assumption?

@nikolaiandre5751

3 жыл бұрын

Do you *mean* that «There is no ultimate meaning» does not translate into «There is no meaning»? Or what?

@MrJamesdryable

3 жыл бұрын

@@nikolaiandre5751 You're allowed to say it however you'd like, friend.

@nikolaiandre5751

3 жыл бұрын

MrJamesdryable aha i understand, you see, im just curious AS to what you *mean* 👀

@MrJamesdryable

3 жыл бұрын

@@nikolaiandre5751 Purpose must be given. Within the Non-dual reality nothing can ever be given or taken. Infinity isn't a long time. In relation to Infinity, nothing has ever happened.

@firstnamesurname6550

3 жыл бұрын

To Believe that Humans doesn't have "Ultimate Meaning" drives those to "Relativism", next, "Relativism" drives the Apes into "Divergentism" ( or Dualisms of Greys ) ... and Divergentism drives them into Fragmented Individuation ... and fragmented individuation drives them into Individualism ... and Individualism into Self-Isolation ... and Self Isolation into SelfDeception ... and Self Deception into Nihilism, and Nihilism into Selfishness, "Nothing has meaning beyond Me and what I want to make of My Self" ... and Selfishness drives to Hedonism ( Freudian stance ) and "will to power ( Nietzsche/Adler stance ) ... To Believe that Humans don't have Ultimate Meaning could fall/end in nihilism but its existential crash-down floors are "Will to Power" and "Hedonism" ... On the other side, Those who believe that Humans have an Ultimate Meaning drive themselves into uncharted territories of unifying experiences ... Maybe, never achieving That Ultimate Meaning but finding Collective and Individual islands of Meaning in their travel through their Epiphenomenal/Ideal/Metaphysical Goal ... Yes, A nihilist would say that They are just performing some "Will to Power Hedonistic Sublimations' and/or inertial and meaningless behavioral patterns ... but How the fook the one that experiences not meaning at All pretend to patronize about What Meaning Means for others?? ... Let the Fools to be Fools...

the meaning of life in a nutshell enjoyment is one of many existential existence meanings all leading back to life and death spoiler it's the meaning of life So the meaning of life is the infinite cosmic events infinitely perpetuating the creation of planets those planets creating life take earth humans make humans animals make animals and trees make 🌲 .etc and without death there would be an oversaturation of life itself the meaning of existential existence is the same being a doctor or soldier or just a simple editor like me effects myself or someone else by extending or shorting life with every action you or I take all quantum physics really even does is act like the Glu that holds this and every other infinite sub set of reality together think of this one as its own place with infinite sub sets of its own now imagine every single thought you have has its own version of that if broken down proves the existence of god budda Mohammed the power rangers and everything in-between starting from least to greatest in power scale I love knowing this because I not only lean towards life but I also know every show every game everything you see whatch or think about is something that is happening in real time for someone somewhere at this very second it makes tv and videos games so much more fun not to mention everything is about life and death don't believe me well take a human there body is constantly living and dying at the same time blood cells down to the atomic level it all dies and regenerates untill the body is no more and the energy that is in it is displaced into another reality your minds constantly learning new information even just thinking Wich you do all day every day even when asleep pushes out the old info and gives you a new perspective in some way for better or worse the meaning of life in this reality and all realitys have only one constant life and death and a never ending rollercoaster of living and dieing throughout all reality well if you read this far let me say thank for understanding the meaning of life and death and I hope this will bring some if any closer for those that can't see the big picture because life has so many little pieces stay safe and as always.. see you later space cowboys 🤠🐕🚀

I find Frankl s meaning contingent.

@ThoughtsonThinking

3 жыл бұрын

Why's that?

9:40 thats stupid point. Becose it fits only on that one example. And if we say that husband/wife is not died, but wass unfaithful, then by that same narrative logic you suppost to be happy becose that is not you who wass unfaithful and createt suffering for your unfaithful, but beloved partner... But this is absurd. Its sounds like some sort of Christcuckery or something similar. Right way to act is to be sad for your dead wife/husband, but not to long, becose you suppost to live life and your dead life partner wish you to do such a thing and on cheating case you suppose to leave your partner and break your relationship from respected of one's good thing that you bouth haved.

@ThoughtsonThinking

3 жыл бұрын

It's an example Frankl himself uses in the book, he has a point it is just very specific because it was from a real therapy session he had with a patient

There is no meaning. It's a trial to see if you will do something to offend or blame God. All we really are is livestock. And its said in the afterlife there will be no marriage. Seems our women will be taken from us as well.

Now all has been heard; here is the conclusion of the matter: Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the duty of all mankind. (Ecclesiastes 12 : 13)

If the meaning of life is what we chose then it's subjective and ontologicaly meaningless it would be kin to religions,gender roles, fiat money mere constructions that have no basis other then our minds and if determinism holds true then can we really choose?

Albert Camu "Meaning of life is something that prevent's you to end it"- i.e. stops you to Attempt Sucided.

@a-rod1527

3 жыл бұрын

Lol. Some people get sick of the game before others.

Frankl assumes way too much. Where is his meaning alone without being raised by other people? there is none.

@gabrielorville821

3 жыл бұрын

What is a metaphor? "He is like a deer" or "He is a deer". It's the same answer for the belief in god. Either you believe it's a metaphor for a mystery transcendent of categories or you are pragmatic and you don't. Frankl has realized in his life what Schopenhauer meant in the Foundation of Morality, how is it that a human being can so participate in the peril or pain of another that without thought spontaneously he sacrifices his own life to the other? This is what is known as one point of meditation, everything else in his life dropped off, his duty to his family, job, career, wishes and hopes for life just disappeared, his life “I could not have let go, if I had let go of that man I could have not lived another day of my life”, how come? This is the breakthrough of a metaphysical realization, that you and the other are one, and that the separateness is an effect of the temporal forms of sensibility of time and space, and our true reality is in that unity with all life. What Frankl saw in the concentration camps is a metaphysical truth that becomes spontaneously realized, read the book. That's on the assuming too much. Raised by other people, no meaning. Well go be a non-embodied consciousness and develop a theory of the mind in a vacuum.

@CynicalBastard

3 жыл бұрын

@@gabrielorville821 A metaphysical truth about ego which confirms that people do not exist in a vacuum. They are raised by their parents, who in turn were raised by their parents, or whoever did raise them, etc. Everyone is raised by someone, in the world, and everyone is inert in the world until by way of interaction they insert themselves into a social context; which for all intents and purposes, the person does not presupposed for their self; if we can even claim that a "person" and a "self" are even real, objectively.

@CynicalBastard

3 жыл бұрын

In other words, Frankl is still in a parochial view of life, even if he doesn't wish to be: he's defining meaning by defining meaning as the meaning of life itself, or, that is to say, the "will-to-meaning" [not unlike the 'will-to-life' in Kierkegaard], and this circularity betrays an inconsistency: that the 'healthy' life has only a will-to-meaning, whereby the will-to-power is put in the distinct position of a negativity [as opposed to a mere negation]. This is what Nietzsche spoke of in regards to the will-to-power and the transvaluation of values.

@gabrielorville821

3 жыл бұрын

@@CynicalBastard Wow, you are a funny one. Parochial? Go read the introduction for Thus Spoke Zarathustra and actually think through the implication of the transformation of the soul, there is no developed Self before slaying the dragon of "ethics"; a person remains a puer aeterni when he can't throw off the dogma of his morality, which is the sphere of the great father. Freedom at that level? Complicated, most choose not to be come Diogenes and be a mad man, while the proper lepper in the heroic path should bring something of value realizing he will not be thanked for it. People get airs and titles after removing themselves from society, loosing all sense of proportion. Look who's the reductionist "that the 'healthy' life has only a will-to-meaning", I think the categorizations have their uses and they can be compelling depending on the life of a person. Why would a person with a good life care for Frankl?

@CynicalBastard

3 жыл бұрын

@@gabrielorville821 What is a person? why should anyone care about anything? What is a self? None of these things are "self-taught", they are intuited through impressions made upon the ego.