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Nietzsche, Jung, Schopenhauer, Freud. Ok, this looks good.

@existentialhangover1124

3 жыл бұрын

@Dharma-Logos Brahman-ZeroEntropy I agree. Freud can suck it.

@counterr6750

3 жыл бұрын

Pablo Asrin You too, if this statement makes you angry. Psychoanalysis is entertaining, but ineffective and it’s explanations are arbitrary. That’s why we have Freud, Adler, Jung, Lacan, etc. with contradictory systems that sound equally plausible and cognitivists and behaviorists dominating the psychology.

@questforenlightenment441

3 жыл бұрын

I’m just getting into all of this and I didn’t read a single word of freud yet; Why exactly would you say that Freud is a fraud?

@counterr6750

3 жыл бұрын

QuestForEnlightenment His framework is basically pure speculation and methods are medically ineffective. There are also some arguments on his life and personality, but I’m not too familiar with that.

@DamianSzajnowski

3 жыл бұрын

@@counterr6750 Yet they work, due to placebo or therapeutic effect of the relation, they just do, used correctly.

winning a fist fight be like “wow that was a big right-brain moment” says the left-brain

Bro, the way your voice changes halfway through is kinda creepy tbh...

@KWillyzz1

3 жыл бұрын

Drink a _Guinness_ *BOYOOO*

@mylesm-j7946

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha seriously

@CANCUN-ot9qr

16 күн бұрын

He switched between brains

Great video. It would also be interesting to explore Apollonian and Dionysian forces as concomitant phenomena in Nietzsche's philosophy: 'But what if pleasure and pain should be so closely connected that he who wants the greatest possible amount of the one must also have the greatest possible amount of the other,-that he who wants to experience the "heavenly high jubilation" must also be ready to be "sorrowful unto death"?' (Nietzsche, The Gay Science, Book First, 12)

The Dionysian state of "letting go" reminds me of Star Wars and Bruce Lee. Ben Kenobi said to Skywalker: "Turn off your computer, turn off your machine and do it yourself, follow your feelings, trust your feelings." Bruce Lee in "Enter the Dragon" film said: "Don't think, FEEL."

@DaSadClown

3 жыл бұрын

"Be water, my friend" -Bruce Lee

@sailaway8244

3 жыл бұрын

You may be an ITSP, Bruce Lee is considered the number one of the personality type, maybe worth exploring as you related to him!

@2012MariCarmen

3 жыл бұрын

@@sailaway8244 Thank you for your comment. I am not an ISTP for sure but my daughter is. ISTPs Inferior Function is extraverted feeling (Fe) but Bruce Lee was a well developed ISTP (his studies in Taoism helped him to have a more balanced personality and character).

@Acquisition1913

2 жыл бұрын

💯🌴👍💎

@tinfoilstar

2 жыл бұрын

watched Star Wars very passively years and years ago when I was a kid, but the 'feel, don't think' line always stuck with me

PHILOSOPHICAL THOUGHT *IS* ART

@jaymzbeaman6116

3 жыл бұрын

It is when the logic of the ego doesnt attempt to overshadow the unconscious instincts.

I’m glad you decided to highlight their synchronisation, let’s face it that’s the prime mode of function

I have been left side dominant my whole life due to a birth defect in my spine and this has been my username for most of it. Kinda funny.

@younggrasshopper3531

3 жыл бұрын

I too am interested in you story if you are willing to share - do you have a blog or something Apollon?

@timheyn5646

3 жыл бұрын

So you're mainly rational and focused on the outside and ratther not into art etc. or how do you feel with that?

@alanbregovic8889

3 жыл бұрын

lol funny as hell ;)

@jennifs6868

3 жыл бұрын

i recommend listening to a work by Stravinsky called Apollon Musagete, if you have not already. it is really a wonderful piece.

@martnerby1

3 жыл бұрын

@@jennifs6868 Actually sounds great thanks! Here the link for the recoriding i found on Spotify: open.spotify.com/album/0rITHlnvCpWUawqVwnZeqY?si=ulYC9KOXRfKqhqfos_MS8A

I like how you're uploading this frequently. Nice.

@ThoughtsonThinking

3 жыл бұрын

Got to remain in that flow state 👍 hope you enjoyed the video!

Restructure your brain without preconceived knowledge...BE YOUR BEST YOURSELF

Canadian rock band RUSH album HEMISPHERES is about resolving the tension that exists between the Apollonian and Dionysian sides of man's nature.

The end of The Birth of Tragedy, discussing Alexandrian culture, is some of the best Nietzsche one can read.

@adamorly2971

3 жыл бұрын

Agree!

@ihazmethodz7806

3 жыл бұрын

asdf asdf Lmao, imagine reading Nietzsche and asking someone to explain it for you. 😂😂😂 He’s turning in his grave.

@ihazmethodz7806

3 жыл бұрын

asdf asdf If you are looking for alternative explanations, then you haven’t even understood the most fundamental precepts of Nietzschean philosophy. The slave morality is still husking within you, friend. Your still yearning for a master.

@JS-dt1tn

3 жыл бұрын

@@ihazmethodz7806 hey man, on the same token, N took pride in what was confusing in his writing just as much as he did what was elucidating. If people were interested in a dialogue of the variability in N's writings, becuade perhaps they wish to go beyond N and use his works perscriptively, that is to seek action through his critical notion of our 'Alexandrian' culture, then there isn't anything wrong with that. In fact, to suggest that wishing to have a dialouge and challenge N's thoughts would be somehow slavish is telling towards a culture around N as such, rather than a culture around his critical assertions of society. Basically, you can drop the pony show with claiming to be holier-than-thou in the church of N. Peace.

@ihazmethodz7806

3 жыл бұрын

Joel Steinke You misunderstand me, man. Question Nietzsche all you want; he wanted companions not disciples. The fact that you value other’s interpretations(even Nietzsche’s) over your own, shows that you are still begging for a savior to elucidate you on “truth”. They hold that little carrot over your head and control you with their ideals. The Overman transcends all of this, and becomes a Creator of his own values, and thus, liberates himself from his ancestors and their various cultural ideations.

Fantastically well done! The work of Iain McGilchrist comes to mind. I personally find it funny how we are so often shocked that the Ancient Greeks had such a grasp on psychology. I found a very similar conclusion in my study of Apollo and Daphne, where the Apollonian tendency toward ordering everything metaphorically strangles a beauty which must be wild and free. The same forces ha e been at work in our minds forever, regardless of whether we used a scientific vocabulary or not.

@unusualpond

2 жыл бұрын

Haha I’m (being forced to) reading McGilchrist right now and it’s driving me crazy. Nietzsche says more on one page than McG does in his entire book. I was wondering why Apollo Dionysius didn’t come up. But I’m glad someone else has seen it!

@tom123b

10 ай бұрын

@@unusualpond Yeah, McGilchrist is very enmeshed in Academia and trying to make connections to today's art and literary ciriticism lol

Since the invention of language every other means of communication became more Dionysian than Apollonian since they involve shapes and not words and require our brains to process simultaneous and non-linear systems of symbols.

After I've read Nietzsche's Dionysian worldview I've began to look at the world in a wholly different way (it also could be because it was the first book I've read from Nietzsche). I believe the apollonian and dionysian dichotomy is even more satisfying and fightening than the freudian and jungian psychological conceptions.

Knew Uberboyo had to be a part of this from the title! Love it!

Great video for those not already familiar with the topic, however I found that it was more focused towards the Dionysian then suggesting to find a balance between the two opposites. Balance is key when it comes to Apollonian and the Dionysian. Both serve a purpose and harmony between the two is the real struggle. Ending the vid with the Turin horse and suggesting to lose yourself within the right brain for the upcoming 10 years(11 would be the right number) is not exactly good advice. Nietzsche was so opposing to the Apollonian structures that dominated his time that he succumbed himself more profoundly in the Dionysian. That path made him slowly descend into madness that culminated in the Turin horse incident. Subsequently he would write psychotic letters signing them off as Dionysus or alternatively The Crucified(Christ). Two extreme opposites. Dionysus I get but the Christ, the other extreme which he criticized and opposed firmly against imo shows that at that point he couldnt distinguish the two from eachother and more likely saw them as the same, or this was his attempt to renconcile one with the other and find a homogenus middle ground. We may never know for sure what happened but the man was mad. Order and chaos, the light and dark, Batman and the Joker basically the yin and yang... One cannot exist without the other and needs the balance between the two always. These forces are complementary, interconnected and interdependant. Too much of one is rarely good news on the long run. For artistic intent I will argue that its imperative to go ahead and lose yourself within the Dionysian, even if it takes a long while but dont get stranded there, you need to find a way back to the Apollonian for your own sanity.

Didn’t have the highest expectations for this, but it was the best video of this genre I’ve watched in a long time

Excellent video. Really shows the separation between thought and how in depth each person can be when combining the two together

More collabs like this plz, love both of you guys' content!!!

Very happy with the content you provide, especially here. 👏👏👏

This is your best video so far.

Omgggg, you touched upon this topic!

Omg the outer body experience thing is SOOO RELATABLE

Great video ! Thank you 😊

Love the video, had me inspired to read Nietzsche again!

Two of my favorite philosophy youtubers

I love this channel I guess it's my favorite

This is an Excellent speech

I love the boxer analogy.

very useful content guys

Cheers! Looking forward to mOaR collaborations with maestro Uberboyo :)

Great video, wishe Jung pov was covered more

Wow this is Phenomenal 👏👏

Solid content.

This was a glorious experience

Love from Greece take care ,

Thank you for pointing out how weird it is that when we 'lose ourselves' or rise above we don't go anywhere!

Another small layer partially unveiled in this symbolic spiral, well done guys

Well well well ;) good video!

great video :) & really nice editing too. I recently loved Ether Perel's talk 'The Erotic Is In Antidote To Death', which doesn't mention philosophy at all and is more focused on wellbeing/the everyday as opposed to scholarly thought, but is (I think) underpinned by similar ideas to this at its core.. it reminded me of the Dionysian in the sense that she proposes that we need to honour the mysterious, the earthly, and allow ourselves to play and create things or we essentially feel dead and stuck in life. she actually calls relationships the theatre and drama of life which seems very relevant and very greek... I just thought I'd mention this talk in case it interested anyone else to listen to as a sort of modern, accessible (lovely to listen to tbh), interpersonal-level take on a very old idea.

Best book on the subject, Iain Mcgilchrist - the master and his emissary. Highly recommend.

The illustrations look like William Blake ... whether or not they are, I can't help thinking that Blake , with his 'abyss of the Five Senses', fits into this conversation, even more than Conor McGregor!

Very well done, a necessary perspective for our times. A quick nod to the dual-brain researchers and scholars of the last 70 years, from Sperry to more recently McGilchrist is in order. I wonder if there's a KZread video on the fascinating history of dual-brain research. Think I'll check. In any case, thanks for the great overview and peek into our fundamental nature.

Awesome analysis! Love the Blake etchings. "Songs of innocence and experience" - left/right brain?

I strongly propose sometimes drinking some hard, thougth (as in hard), home made wine and than getting into the state od being half drunk. Trurly epic thing. I did IT mod watching this video. Felt amazing.

Nice to know there's a Fellow RUSH fan out there. If you know, you know.🍇&⚙️

Hey Thoughts On Thinking, really digging your channel. Just wanted to ask if you've ever heard of Spiral Dynamics? Seems like a really intriguing and complex idea, and I'd love to hear what a thoughtful individual such as yourself would make of it Keep up the great work

@ThoughtsonThinking

3 жыл бұрын

First time I have heard of spiral dynamics, will look into it! Thanks 🙏

Was there any inspiration from The Master and his Emissary in this video? If not, I would highly recommend it, this dynamic is covered in detail there as well. Loved this analysis.

@ThoughtsonThinking

3 жыл бұрын

Yes!! I also did a video based on that book called: Is Modern Art Schizophrenic? (Recommend, very interesting topic!)

@whit2208

3 жыл бұрын

Thoughts on Thinking I didn’t know you’d covered it before, I’ll definitely check it out!

@zxcvbs

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThoughtsonThinking maybe you can create a second part of that video post postmodernism and the right brain.

Beautiful

This has proven incredibly odd for me. I was reading The Birth of Tragedy and recalled some things said by Iain McGilchrist about the asymmetrical nature of the brain. I then started watching videos involving these Dionysian and Apollonian ideas to see if it matched as well as I thought. Before long I stumbled onto this video that offered great confirmation. I especially enjoyed the way the right brain was related back to boxing and combat sports. I've been boxing for two years and I always find that I do better when I think less. These flow states are like low degree ego dissolution. They're embodied and yet simultaneously out of body with reason detaching itself completely in the most extreme moments. Thanks for making a video that almost seems directly for me.

Another right-brain thing that is Apollonian is hollistic thinking. Understanding interconnectedness and contextual perspective is an intelligent way to approach systems. The Apollonian is not excessive. Hyperfocus and hypofocus are both Dionysian.

Jesus Christ. I'm trying to finish for publishing a book on the connection between Nietzsche and modern superhero culture and this video sinks right into my thesis. So let me add a confirming point, and maybe someone can tell me if this fits. I saw the same dichotomy expressed through another biochemical lens: Left brain/Apollo = adrenaline Right brain/Dionysus = oxytocin Would love to get feedback from anyone who can see my argument and either confirm our challenge it, because I think I need to add this video to the book somewhere, even if just as a footnote. Much thanks.

@ThoughtsonThinking

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting association, would need to give that a think! Send me an email about this book of yours, would love to know more! :)

The ideas we come up with will always represent our brain because the brain is what creates reality and hence the boundaries of thought Don’t confuse your constructed system as existing beyond the system that allows for it in the first place

You should do this edited video style. Its way more engaging and entertaining

if your interested in the brains hemispheres read "Master and his emissary" by Iain Mcgilchrist

@ThoughtsonThinking

3 жыл бұрын

HIGHLY RECOMMEND!

@Moggy1980

3 жыл бұрын

Just started it, illuminating!

Very good video-always so well presented by both. The Greeks would have known of the connection between the two hemispheres though, because the Ancient Egyptians knew of it, as did other ancient civilisations. So much ancient knowledge has been lost because of the collective swinging too much over to the Apollonian/Solar left brain-as you say!

is there any like discord group or any similar kind of forum where people who enjoy this learning collect? I'd be so interested in being there

Next time I recommend the work of Claudio Naranjo regarding these topics, especially “Dionysian Buddhism”

I like the little thing about boxing at 6:00 I've been boxing for 7 years and this is a struggle every artist or anybody that seeks to Express themself excellently deals with.. Israel Adesanya once said the best attitude for a fighter is to "Make sure you read the textbook and familiarize yourself with all the traditions, and then throw them all away"

The right brain/left brain dichotomy doesn't overlay the Apollonian/Dionysian dichotomy very well, actually, because Apollo is the god of both music and the plastic arts (sculpture & painting), which are right brain activities.

@fohnjucker6900

10 ай бұрын

Apollo is not the god of unconventional, excessive or schocking art, though. His art is focused on structure, order and intellectual communication (just like neoclassical art). I agree that visual arts involve a great deal of creativity and free-flowing organic hand movements, but there's a lot of left brained functions associated with the creation of symmetrical and proportional art forms.

I. Prelude When our weary world was young The struggle of the ancients first began The gods of love and reason Sought alone to rule the fate of man They battled through the ages But still neither force would yield The people were divided Every soul a battlefield Every soul a battlefield II. Apollo: Bringer Of Wisdom "I bring truth and understanding I bring wit and wisdom fair Precious gifts beyond compare We can build a world of wonder I can make you all aware I will find you food and shelter Show you fire to keep you warm Through the endless winter storm You can live in grace and comfort In the world that you transform" The people were delighted Coming forth to claim their prize They ran to build their cities And converse among the wise But one day the streets fell silent Yet they knew not what was wrong The urge to build these fine things Seemed not to be so strong The wise men were consulted And the Bridge of Death was crossed In quest of Dionysus To find out what they had lost III. Dionysus: Bringer Of Love "I bring love to give you solace In the darkness of the night In the Heart's eternal light You need only trust your feelings Only love can steer you right I bring laughter, I bring music I bring joy and I bring tears I will soothe your primal fears Throw off those chains of reason And your prison disappears" The cities were abandoned And the forests echoed song They danced and lived as brothers They knew love could not be wrong Food and wine they had aplenty And they slept beneath the stars The people were contented And the gods watched from afar But the winter fell upon them And it caught them unprepared Bringing wolves and cold starvation And the hearts of men despaired IV. Armageddon: The Battle Of Heart and Mind The universe divided As the heart and mind collided With the people left unguided For so many troubled years In a cloud of doubts and fears Their world was torn asunder into hollow Hemispheres Some fought themselves, some fought each other Most just followed one another Lost and aimless like their brothers For their hearts were so unclear And the truth could not appear Their spirits were divided into blinded Hemispheres Some who did not fight Brought tales of old to light 'My Rocinante sailed by night On her final flight' To the heart of Cygnus' fearsome force We set our course Spiralled through that timeless space To this immortal place V. Cygnus: Bringer Of Balance I have memory and awareness But I have no shape or form As a disembodied spirit I am dead and yet unborn I have passed into Olympus As was told in tales of old To the city of Immortals Marble white and purest gold I see the gods in battle rage on high Thunderbolts across the sky I cannot move, I cannot hide I feel a silent scream begin inside Then all at once the chaos ceased A stillness fell, a sudden peace The warriors felt my silent cry And stayed their struggle, mystified Apollo was astonished Dionysus thought me mad But they heard my story further And they wondered and were sad Looking down from Olympus On a world of doubt and fear Its surface splintered into Sorry Hemispheres They sat a while in silence Then they turned at last to me 'We will call you Cygnus The god of Balance you shall be' VI. The Sphere: A Kind Of Dream We can walk our road together If our goals are all the same We can run alone and free If we pursue a different aim Let the truth of love be lighted Let the love of truth shine clear Sensibility, armed with sense and liberty With the heart and mind united in a single perfect sphere - Neil Peart

@ChrishBlake

3 жыл бұрын

Perfect

@ChrishBlake

3 жыл бұрын

Damn this is a song! kzread.info/dash/bejne/aamMpch9gsfKc5M.html Crazy how it more clearly explains this concept better than this video and the comments

At 2:18: Actually, that is not a scientific consensus. The article that you presumably got this from, 'The Anatomy of The Ego' (Tinnin, Psychiatry : Vol 52, No 4, 1989) is a speculation article proposing the left hemisphere the seat of the Freud's concept of ego function and self. Since then we have discovered that the brain is much more lateralized that we thought, and that left/right hemisphere distictions are not as important as we originally thought.

Iain McGilchrist compares Apollo and Dionysus to the left and right brain in The Master and His Emissary. I'm currently writing on this book and it's relation to Jung. McGilchrist touches on Jung in TMAHE too, though I think there is more to be said.

Edit: Right when im a quarter way done with nietzsche's birth of tragedy lol AND COLLAB WITH THE BOYO. Aw fuuuuck yes. The kangeroo caliphate bounces on

The left brain controls the right part of the body, while the right brain the left one. That is to say that in our body the left part is considered the Dyonisus domain. For Example in esoterism, the"left hand path" is the spiritual way of consciousness evolution through sciamanism, tantrism, and witchcraft

This is fucking beautiful!!!

The cult of appollo had actually quite a deep connection to the unknown and thus the right hemisphere, in that most greek oracles were apollonian oracles, like the oracle of delphi. The sun was always the symbol of clairvoyance and seeing through the veil. The sun always represents perception, as it was regarded as an eye in the sky. On the other hand, dionysus, or phanes as he was called by the orphic schools was actually originally a deity of light (phanes the bringer of dawn and light), and had also solar attributes. Phanes being actually a form of vishnu, as all the orphic schools (and thus anything dionysian) was associated strongly with hinduism. This can not only be seen by the idea that dionysus went to india, but the whole iconography of phanes with the worldegg, the serpent, and the creation of the creator (ouranos/brahma) from him, is clearly a reference to puranic view on creation. As phanes, dionysus seems to have more fiery attributes, and seems more an amalgamate of both the solar deity and lunar deity. Phanes is also called eros (the primordial eros, not the olympion reincarnation of the roman pantheon). The sun of course has its association with both thought, ego, knowledge and breath (prana/pneuma), and dionysus having attributes of a lunar deity, also due to his association with vegetation, drinking and excess. I would define the 2 drives as the logos-drive (left brain) and the eros-drive (right brain). This is what is lacking for me in deities such as Jesus, where the eros-drive seems to be entirely ommitted. The true absolute deity has both logos- and eros drive in balance. Instead of an eros-drive, the thanatos drive is built into the christian deity, thanatos being the brother of eros. Selfsacrifice, ascetism and abstinence are thus equally right-brained as the indulgent dionysian drive.. Nietzsche would probably associate these with the appollonian drive, but iconography and lore says otherwise.. Both the cultivation and starvation of emotion are both right-hemispheric. Acquiring knowledge via either thought or perception are left-hemispheric. What i do like about the appollonian-dionysian system is that it does not reduce the lunar to the female and the solar to the masculine principle. This sexual dualism is problematic, and in many polytheistic/monistic cultures like greece and india, we can see there are masculine and feminine deities of both sides. left right middle lunar solar mixed dionysus appollo hermes eros logos phanes shiva brahma vishnu pradyumna (kama) sankarsana (ananta)vasudeva soma surya indra feeling thought willpower body mind spirit spark sal sulfur mercury religion philosophy magic and female deities tiamat/ereshkigal nammu inanna/ishtar kaos sophia barbelo artemis athena aphrodite diana minerva venus kali sarasvati lakshmi durga savitri radha Some of these overlap in functions, some of them are barely correlated - venus as the mixed deity would represent aphrodite urania, the "higher" aphrodite. In many cases minerva is much closer for example to lakshmi (both have an owl) as aphrodite, who also shares lakshmis qualities of being born from the sea. With shiva its a bit complicated because shiva is actually an ascetic, and although he consumes ganja, he lives a strict life, and goes against the eros drive, which would be right-hemispheric. Anyway, there is an overlap in all of these, and the tendencies should not be so much separated as they both cover the same mysteries with different approaches. The appollonian mysteries used "dionysian" methods to prophesize and become clairvoyant, as the idea of clairvoyancy is always associated with the sun. One could make a case for clairaudience as being more lunar, or that the more psychedelic ecstasy associated with certain drugs could be called dionysian, but again that overlaps directly with appollos allseeing ability. Shiva, often associated with dionysus has a lunar crescent in his hair, but he represents also the thanatos drive and destruction, ascetism and renunciation, as most shaivaite sects are strict ascetic sects. The excesses of the dionysian cult did not produce as much art and prophesy as the appollonian cult did, which had oracles all over the place. The overlaps are interesting, because for example the followers of shiva are either ascetics or ecstatic tantrics, whereas the followers of vishnu are either magicians or devotees (of a rather dionysian approach of bhakti or agape). Since both eros and shiva are lunar in the strictest of senses, we can for example see that both the eros-drive and its opposite (thanatos-drive) constitute the right hemisphere. The thanatos drive here being the destructive polarity of the lunar power. This makes sense because eros and thanatos were primordial brothers. The burning of kamadeva (eros) by lord shiva is again displaying an interplay in solely right hemispheric domains - shiva, meditating on the welfare of the cosmos, got hit by the flower-arrow of kamadeva/eros, and enraged by this, opens his third eye, which burns eros to ashes. Henceforth, the indian eros became limbless, and thus an unseen force, the lifedrive itself. Shiva had a son due to this flowerarrow of cupids. The disembodied deity of love was then reincarnated as the primary son of krishna, the 8th avatar of vishnu (basically all deities became sons or grandsons of krishna, shiva became sambha, a grandson of keshava), but the symbolism behind this story is that lord ananga, the bodyless cupid, is formless and allencompassing, allcreating. Eros is the primordial force of life, and thus the positive aspect of the lunar deity. Shiva represents the destructive aspect of the same, or rather the ascetism, but also the dionysian aspect of ecstasy via drugs. The first deity of the orphic tradition, phanes, is also called dionysus AND eros, yet he has the mythical torch of knowledge and staff associated with the solar deity. So like all dualities, the 2 forces together bring back the original deity, phanes or vishnu, who is the complete balance, the force, the allseeing allcreating and alldevouring supreme, who is both transcendent and immanent. All dualities are bridged by bringing in a third element, which reconciles the creative and destructive forces. I tend to use the terms logos-drive (lefthemispheric, right hand path) and eros-drive (righthemispheric, lefthand path) for these groups, because the overlap is much smaller and thus the categories more clear.

@ihazmethodz7806

3 жыл бұрын

This is amazing. You have studied your correspondences well, friend. Though, some of them are wrong if you attempt to map them on the Qabalistic Tree Of Life.

@thenaturalpeoplesbureau

3 жыл бұрын

​@@ihazmethodz7806 I do not take the tree of life as a basic template, i am primarily a hindu monist and as such do have a bit of a different worldview as the qabbalists. As such these are not in an order which would explain creation, i did not sort the list in this way ;D sun and moon in the tree of life are in the middle pillar.. But anyway, the 3rd row would be archetypes or aspects of the middle pillar. The reason im not using it much anymore has to do with the doctrine of sin. It seems to be the PRIMORDIAL TAINT ITSELF (knowledge of the sin is the sin). So its a catch 22. I dont like that. The doctrine of sin, or flaw, and the necessity for some kind of transcending ones state, is kinda offensive to me. Nothing needs to be transcended, it already is both immanent and transcendent. There are similarities between the upanishadic and qabalistic system (sefira), but the overall numbers in the eastern system are quite different than the phoenician qabalah: especially in regard to numbers and planetary spheres number dharma qabala 1 sun (rama) kether (uranos) 2 moon (krishna) hochmah (neptune) 3 mars (narasimha) binah (saturn) 4 mercury (buddha) hesed (jove) 5 jupiter (vamana) geburah (mars) 6 venus (parshurama) tifereth (sun) 7 saturn (kurma) netzach (venus) 8 rahu (varaha) hod (mercury) 9 ketu (matsya) yesod (moon) 10 earth (kalki) earth (malkuth) As you can see the vedic system uses the same sequence as our week days, starting with the sun and ending in saturn. This is one of the main differences in the numerical application of spheres or sefira. In the vedic system they are arranged differently and there is no treelike structure. The deeper keys of the numbers, or rather their explanation, is actually missing in most western system, due to the loss of knowledge (which india did not expirience). Very few have actually understood the kabalah - Franz Bardon is the primary man to go to understand its application in terms of using the tetrapolar word (tetragram) to speak in the universal language. That is what the sepher yetzirah would explain, although it only hints at it. In india the same art is part of the tantras, which explain how to combine visualization, somatic feeling and sound/speech together into one universal expression. Any mantra, should actually be expressed tetrapolar - visual, somatic, accoustic and conscious. Expressing a letter in this way causes changes in the micro- or macroscopic world, from the causative plane down to astral and physical plane. This is not explained by any scholars, actually it has been lost, and Frantisek Bardon restored it via his indepth knowledge of the indian tantras... In this way the adept in india is being taught how to express letters, and whole mantra garlands, by expressing every letter visual with colors, somatic with feelings, accoustic and so on. This is why all the indian deities have this intricate allegorical iconography - every arm, weapon, crown and bodily color explains how the adept has to express the mantram or seed syllable. So the secret of the tetragram is actually how to express letters, syllables and divine names via this tetrapolar system. If one has trained visual and somatic visualization, then this becomes extremely powerful. Visualization is the adepts magic wand after all.. So for the number 3 names or syllables like "JAH", "AUM," "AIM", and so on apply. For number 4 for example the seed mantras "HRIM", "KLIM", "DRAM" and so on. Each of those syllables expresses different universal qualities and energies. Every number represents a key to apply letters - for example nr 1 is single letters, nr 2 is syllables, nr 3 is 3-letter-syllables and so on. The tetrapolar nature of both the qabalistic and tantric systems applies the same principle to express the divine names - of which ever culture - according to the amount of letters in the key. This is what the tarot is for - the 22 pathways between the sephira - these represent letters, and each of them has archetypical images to visualize. Different sets of colors and so on, because they represent the 4 elements, 7 planets and 12 zodiacal signs. The quaternar system of four principles is universal here and there. It basically represents the 4 elements, the four psychic entities (subconscious, ego, intelligence and psyche), the four causal powers (feeling, willing, knowing and acting) and the 4 states of consciousness (waking, dreaming, sleep and the selfreference as the fourth). In their active expression they represent of course visual, accoustic, somatic and ontological expression (meaning). It is said the goddess of speech (vak, sarasvati, sophia) has 4 arms, and in each arm she holds a different object (goad, vedas, instrument and a mudra). Every arm of hers represents one of the 4 poles of the quaternio - fire (visual), air (accoustic), water (somatic) earth (ego consciousness). The adepts know three of these, but man knows only the fourth (speech), as the upanishads say. So to know all four limbs of speech means to apply the universal power of creation - to create out of nothing. Simply speaking "AUM" does not actually do that much - therefore the upanishads explain how all 4 principles are engaged - visual (iconography), somatic (elementary feeling - heavy, light, hot and cold), accoustic, and the fourth aspect is all 3together. These tantras have to be explained by a preceptor or adept to the student, as he knows how to express and identify with the deity of the mantra. To map the indian system on the tree of life would be difficult, the theosophs tried it, but they did not actually get really initiated in to one of the sampradaya, so their correspondences are off... In india, the creator (brahma) is actually more of a minor deity, and nobody worships him. So while in the west the epitet of creator is the primary attribute of god, in hinduism it is not at all. Basically all the orphic deities (kaos, ouroboros, phanes, eros, aethyr,...) of the greeks are all forms of vishnu. Different forms of the one. Shiva is basically a transformation of vishnu - he is also the one god.. But the same cannot be said about the devas, like indra, agni and so on. They would be on the level of olympians, and not primordial, infinite and transcendent. The basically form the functions of mind, body and senses - which the upanishads map out clearly - indra is the hands, sun the ego, moon psyche, fire the mouth, wind the chest, and so on - this concept of the pneumatic anthropos (gnostic) or the vedic purusha/vishnu, is resembled in the qabbalah in the adam kadmon, which is basically the manifestation of the immanent aspect of narayana, and is called vishnu. Vishnu of course being the self here. All images of self are vishnu, for the shaivaite shiva - vishnu and shiva are technically the same being. So the ayn soph aur, or supreme godhead in qabbalah, could be represented as brahman. Brahman is unknown, unknowable, absolute, transcendent and undivided. From it came all other things. Brahman is a term for narayana (vishnu) and not for brahma the creator architect. Brahma is not opposed to vishnu, as the demiurge is to logos. The vedic system has no dualism in itself, brahma and shiva are technically aspects of vishnu. Vishnu would basically cover the whole middle pillar of the tree of life, as well as the infinite above kether. There he is called narayana, not vishnu, who is immanent and descends into the cosmos, not unlike the logos (see vedic concept of purusha). The all-one supreme, parabrahman, para-siva, krishna or however the different schools call it, has an immanent aspect (saguna brahman, god with attributes) and a transcendent aspect (god without attributes, unknowable, the witness). God exists in both states at the same time, but we recognize usually first the immanent aspect (god is great, has thousands of names, weapons, attributes, infinite qualities - saguna brahman or narayana) and then there is the immanent aspect (where we can not say anything definite about him - nirguna brahman or vasudeva). Both nirguna and saguna are infinite and absolute, omnipotent, omniscient etc. But the world is generated out of the immanent aspect of god. Out of narayana (saguna brahman) emerge different entities - first the worldsoul vishnu(gods presence in the universe, paramatma), as macrocosmic soul, and psychopomp, as a secondary force the individual soul (atma, spirit spark). These 2 constist both of brahman, but one is unlimited, the other limited. You are both of these. Then time also emerges out of the lord, as well as nature as an abstract principle called prakriti (we could call this the matrix).. The matrix exists in three separate principles, or three alchemystic primes, which some would call object-subject-senses... Or body, mind and senses. These three are material, and the individual soul is seated within these three, just as a hand is inside different gloves. When the soul realizes that it is also the worldsoul then it achieves its original nature - brahman. The combination of the worldsoul, soul, time and nature create what we call the cosmos - these divisions are eternal yet at the highest plance the self goes back right to the absolute vasudeva, who is the essence of the syllable aum. So the creation of matter (time and nature) and the creation of consciousness (self and the worldsoul) are 2 distinct creations. Anyway, its all about the self and its archetypes.. Jung did a lot to restore this in the west. Vasudeva sarvam iti - everyone is vasudeva, lord of pneuma

@thenaturalpeoplesbureau

3 жыл бұрын

interesting text on these topics: github.com/stargear/wisdom/blob/master/Lakshmi-Tantra-a-Pancharatra-Text-Sanjukta-Gupta_text.pdf

@thenaturalpeoplesbureau

3 жыл бұрын

@@ihazmethodz7806 I do not take the tree of life as a basic template, i am primarily a hindu monist and as such do have a bit of a different worldview as the qabbalists. As such these are not in an order which would explain creation, i did not sort the list in this way ;D sun and moon in the tree of life are in the middle pillar.. But anyway, the 3rd row would be archetypes or aspects of the middle pillar. The reason im not using it much anymore has to do with the doctrine of sin. It seems to be the PRIMORDIAL TAINT ITSELF (knowledge of the sin is the sin). So its a catch 22. I dont like that. The doctrine of sin, or flaw, and the necessity for some kind of transcending ones state, is kinda offensive to me. Nothing needs to be transcended, it already is both immanent and transcendent. There are similarities between the upanishadic and qabalistic system (sefira), but the overall numbers in the eastern system are quite different than the phoenician qabalah: especially in regard to numbers and planetary spheres number dharma qabala 1 sun (rama) kether (uranos) 2 moon (krishna) hochmah (neptune) 3 mars (narasimha) binah (saturn) 4 mercury (buddha) hesed (jove) 5 jupiter (vamana) geburah (mars) 6 venus (parshurama) tifereth (sun) 7 saturn (kurma) netzach (venus) 8 rahu (varaha) hod (mercury) 9 ketu (matsya) yesod (moon) 10 earth (kalki) earth (malkuth) As you can see the vedic system uses the same sequence as our week days, starting with the sun and ending in saturn.This is one of the main differences in the numerical application of spheres or sefira. In the vedic system they are arranged differently and there is no treelike structure. The deeper keys of the numbers, or rather their explanation, is actually missing in most western system, due to the loss of knowledge (which india did not expirience). Very few have actually understood the kabalah - Franz Bardon is the primary man to go to understand its application in terms of using the tetrapolar word (tetragram) to speak in the universal language. That is what the sepher yetzirah would explain, although it only hints at it. In india the same art is part of the tantras, which explain how to combine visualization, somatic feeling and sound/speech together into one universal expression. Any mantra, should actually be expressed tetrapolar - visual, somatic, accoustic and conscious. Expressing a letter in this way causes changes in the micro- or macroscopic world, from the causative plane down to astral and physical plane. This is not explained by any scholars, actually it has been lost, and Frantisek Bardon restored it via his indepth knowledge of the indian tantras... In this way the adept in india is being taught how to express letters, and whole mantra garlands, by expressing every letter visual with colors, somatic with feelings, accoustic and so on. This is why all the indian deities have this intricate allegorical iconography - every arm, weapon, crown and bodily color explains how the adept has to express the mantram or seed syllable. So the secret of the tetragram is actually how to express letters, syllables and divine names via this tetrapolar system. If one has trained visual and somatic visualization, then this becomes extremely powerful. Visualization is the adepts magic wand after all.. So for the number 3 names or syllables like "JAH", "AUM," "AIM", and so on apply. For number 4 for example the seed mantras "HRIM", "KLIM", "DRAM" and so on. Each of those syllables expresses different universal qualities and energies. Every number represents a key to apply letters - for example nr 1 is single letters, nr 2 is syllables, nr 3 is 3-letter-syllables and so on. The tetrapolar nature of both the qabalistic and tantric systems applies the same principle to express the divine names - of which ever culture - according to the amount of letters in the key. This is what the tarot is for - the 22 pathways between the sephira - these represent letters, and each of them has archetypical images to visualize. Different sets of colors and so on, because they represent the 4 elements, 7 planets and 12 zodiacal signs. The quaternar system of four principles is universal here and there. It basically represents the 4 elements, the four psychic entities (subconscious, ego, intelligence and psyche), the four causal powers (feeling, willing, knowing and acting) and the 4 states of consciousness (waking, dreaming, sleep and the selfreference as the fourth). In their active expression they represent of course visual, accoustic, somatic and ontological expression (meaning). It is said the goddess of speech (vak, sarasvati, sophia) has 4 arms, and in each arm she holds a different object (goad, vedas, instrument and a mudra). Every arm of hers represents one of the 4 poles of the quaternio - fire (visual), air (accoustic), water (somatic) earth (ego consciousness). The adepts know three of these, but man knows only the fourth (speech), as the upanishads say. So to know all four limbs of speech means to apply the universal power of creation - to create out of nothing. Simply speaking "AUM" does not actually do that much - therefore the upanishads explain how all 4 principles are engaged - visual (iconography), somatic (elementary feeling - heavy, light, hot and cold), accoustic, and the fourth aspect is all 3together. These tantras have to be explained by a preceptor or adept to the student, as he knows how to express and identify with the deity of the mantra. To map the indian system on the tree of life would be difficult, the theosophs tried it, but they did not actually get really initiated in to one of the sampradaya, so their correspondences are off... In india, the creator (brahma) is actually more of a minor deity, and nobody worships him. So while in the west the epitet of creator is the primary attribute of god, in hinduism it is not at all. Basically all the orphic deities (kaos, ouroboros, phanes, eros, aethyr,...) of the greeks are all forms of vishnu. Different forms of the one. Shiva is basically a transformation of vishnu - he is also the one god.. But the same cannot be said about the devas, like indra, agni and so on .They would be on the level of olympians, and not primordial, infinite and transcendent. The basically form the functions of mind, body and senses - which the upanishads map out clearly - indra is the hands, sun the ego, moon psyche, fire the mouth, wind the chest, and so on - this concept of the pneumatic anthropos (gnostic) or the vedic purusha/vishnu, is resembled in the qabbalah in the adam kadmon, which is basically the manifestation of the immanent aspect of narayana, and is called vishnu. Vishnu of course being the self here. All images of self are vishnu, for the shaivaite shiva - vishnu and shiva are technically the same being. So the ayn soph aur, or supreme godhead in qabbalah, could be represented as brahman. Brahman is unknown, unknowable, absolute, transcendent and undivided. From it came all other things. Brahman is a term for narayana (vishnu) and not for brahma the creator architect. Brahma is not opposed to vishnu, as the demiurge is to logos. The vedic system has no dualism in itself, brahma and shiva are technically aspects of vishnu. Vishnu would basically cover the whole middle pillar of the tree of life, as well as the infinite above kether. There he is called narayana, not vishnu, who is immanent and descends into the cosmos, not unlike the logos (see vedic concept of purusha). The all-one supreme, parabrahman, para-siva, parashakti, krishna or however the different schools call it, has an immanent aspect (saguna brahman, god with attributes) and a transcendent aspect (god without attributes, unknowable, the witness). God exists in both states at the same time, but we recognize usually first the immanent aspect (god is great, has thousands of names, weapons, attributes, infinite qualities - saguna brahman or narayana) and then there is the immanent aspect (where we can not say anything definite about him - nirguna brahman or vasudeva). Both nirguna and saguna are infinite and absolute, omnipotent, omniscient etc. But the world is generated out of the immanent aspect of god. Out of narayana (saguna brahman) emerge different entities - first the worldsoul vishnu(gods presence in the universe, paramatma), as macrocosmic soul, and psychopomp, as a secondary force the individual soul (atma, spirit spark). These 2 constist both of brahman, but one is unlimited, the other limited. You are both of these. Then time also emerges out of the lord, as well as nature as an abstract principle called prakriti (we could call this the matrix).. The matrix exists in three separate principles, or three alchemystic primes, which some would call object-subject-senses... Or body, mind and senses. These three are material, and the individual soul is seated within these three, just as a hand is inside different gloves. When the soul realizes that it is also the worldsoul then it achieves its original nature - brahman. The combination of the worldsoul, soul, time and nature create what we call the cosmos - these divisions are eternal yet at the highest plance the self goes back right to the absolute vasudeva, who is the essence of the syllable aum. So the creation of matter (time and nature) and the creation of consciousness (self and the worldsoul) are 2 distinct creations. Anyway, its all about the self and its archetypes.. Jung did a lot to restore this in the west. Vasudeva sarvam iti - everyone is vasudeva, lord of pneuma

@thenaturalpeoplesbureau

3 жыл бұрын

An attepmt to map the indian system to the tree of life would be : para-brahman (krishna/sadashiva) nirguna brahman (transcendent, vasudeva) saguna brahman (immanent, narayana) . . . 2- shiva 1-vishnu 3-durga 4- brahma 6-ananta/surya 5- rudra/skanda 7- lakshmi 9-kama/eros 8- ganesha 10-gaia More importantly, number 1 is all monistic religions, nr 2 everything dual (zoroastrianism, gnosticism), nr 3 trinitarian systems (father-son-spirit, brahma-vishnu-shiva [dont correlate these 2 ternars, brahma is far below shiva and vishnu), nr 4 the four elements, 4 forms of vishnu, tetragram and so on... So every number gives how many letters a key has, what they mean. So the 10 numbers represent all philosophical systems from the highest (most potent) to number 10, which represents humility and the physical plane.

Which uberboyo video is this from?

Thank you for this. Iain McGilchrist’s work on this is mind blowing. Between him, Peterson, and Peterson’s favorite thinkers (like Jung and Nietzsche), duality is taking on a whole new light that is philosophically slept on.

@ahobimo732

2 жыл бұрын

This is why I think it's such a shame that Peterson has gotten bogged down in fighting ideological battles. His thinking was far more interesting to me when his focus was intellectual, rather than political. His fixation on the "postmodern threat" has closed him off to avenues to deeper analysis. Such is my opinion, at least. I know many would disagree.

sneaky red book drop at the end

I can't remember what side of my brain say what, but when the one side reminds me to go to something the other side gives them a hug. Good job other brain.

What a coincidence, I was thinking about the same topic yesterday

@disstortbeats4947

3 жыл бұрын

collective unconscious XD

@ethanchua6712

3 жыл бұрын

Haha a mellow instance of synchronicity

@felipec.2854

3 жыл бұрын

@@disstortbeats4947 a little bit scary hehehe

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Bruce Lee had some wise things to say about this phenomenon. I like what I have heard from Zen Buddhist and Daoist philosophy on matters like these.

Very interesting subject as our society is very polarized, and I think (personal opinion) is due to the polarization of the two hemispheres (lateralization of brain function facilitated by the inhibitory neurons in the Corpus Callosum). It appears... that radical Conservatives tend to be left brainers and radical Liberals tend to be right brainers...and we need both hemispheres working together. A lot good food for though and reflection. Thank you.

@kevinbeck8836

3 жыл бұрын

Interesting thought, but The Left seems more grounded in reality in terms of scientific thinking. I'm talking climate science, age of the universe, and covid denial. These are all big problems coming more from the Right

@kevinbeck8836

3 жыл бұрын

@@asdf1991asdf because I said that? Try and engage with the points I made, and I'll try to engage with yours. I have zero interest in lobbying insults at strangers

@kevinbeck8836

3 жыл бұрын

@Pablo Asrin I can fully agree with that

@emmanouilachladiotis5272

2 ай бұрын

​@kevinbeck8836 you mean pseudo science 😂

3:33 That's "manner" bruh, but don't mind me, carry on :D

More volume. Too quite. But great video

Neuroscience has come on leaps and bounds and right brain left brain is a myth however their interpretation on limited knowledge is fascinating.

You should listen to "Hemispheres" by Rush

@santiagoimbachi6381

3 жыл бұрын

I was looking for this one

Ok Uberboyo. I can sense a qualitu. Thus I will visit you.

This video almost made me lose my sanity

Take home: Highest performance of human is initiated by Lt. brain while it is lubricated by Rh brain. Good one.

"Holistic MANNER"

Just like when I exercise!

BOYO ALERT! 🚨 This is insane stuff chaps 🧠 I would be interested to hear more about the front/back brain dynamic. I think front brain is often just associated with left (forethought, Prometheus) while the back brain are associated with right (instincts, desire).

Lmao i wanna hug a horse now

Does the unconscious mind also reside primarily in the right hemisphere?

“...a permanent flow state for ten years...”, let that idea swim for a while.

Question, does jealousy come from the apollonian or diyonysian side ?

@ThoughtsonThinking

Жыл бұрын

Both I would think. They are both two different spirits/ways of life that anyone could find difficult in embodying if they wish to do so.

@johnnyrichards77

Жыл бұрын

I would personally consider every intense emotional response as coming from the Dionysian side of our personalities, especially one that is rooted in feelings of insecurity and posessiveness. However, as any emotion, jealousy can contribute to self-reflection, identification of values and personal growth, which are more associated with the Apollonian approach to human nature.

@renan27023

11 ай бұрын

@@johnnyrichards77 any emotion is dionysian, any structure is apollonian

This is fuckin baller. Dialectics have been such a cool philosophical discovery, and the fact that it's repeated in other cultures (like the yin/yang ☯️) must mean that it has some truth to it.

I’m very much Left Brain. Also Autistic and a Man, so it really doubles down. Edit: though I quite hate the left-wing politically nowadays. I’m socially conservative and traditionalist. Though economically I’d be centre-left.

Conor McGregor. Really. I saw him beat up an old man. Punched him right in the face. What a gentleman. Really inspiring.

There is only self and empty space.

The true tragedy is that the two brain halves (in humans only) are completely separated by the corpus callosum. In this state we are constantly in shizo state until death

The study the way is to study the self or selves...to study the selves is to lose the selves....to lose the selves is to.... go find out!

Dyonishion

Sources pls

I could associate a lot of theories in this video to J Krishnamurti's teachings.