Who do you think "won" this clash?

@michaelwilson2340

Жыл бұрын

Flanner without question. With humor and old school class. Plus the fact that Mailer was verbally whipped by a woman made it more satisfying. You just know he was burning inside. Cavett rightfully had his shots at Norman as well. And Gore masterfully kept his comments to a minimum and let Norman bury himself. In addition points added to an audience who could hold their own too.

@yuntakukai1002

Жыл бұрын

Trump

@marcy_law

Жыл бұрын

​@@yuntakukai1002 bro who tf are you?

@sepiae

Жыл бұрын

Why, not for the first time did Mr. Mailer proved himself to be a *diva* . You don win against divas, you endure them. There's a degree of the easy win by letting the diva rattle away that is just *too* easy to be counted as a win. In that sense Mr. Vidal may have won, but it was a victory achieved by leaning back and quietly marveling as the only thing he really had to do.

@Ceerads

Жыл бұрын

I think Mailer is absolutely insufferable. I only wish he were still alive to see how his star as a writer has dimmed (not that his bloated ego would allow him to acknowledge that). I think of three words when I think of him: Jack Henry Abbott. Mailer was a misogynist, and his books will fade into obscurity. I think Cavett “won.”

Mailer once punched out Vidal at a party. When Vidal got up, he said, “Once again, words fail Norman Mailer.”

@madProgenitorDeity

4 жыл бұрын

source?

@MrUndersolo

4 жыл бұрын

madProgenitorDeity They are many biographies that have covered this.

@timmcelroy2188

4 жыл бұрын

@@MrUndersolo which ones?

@paullangton-rogers2390

4 жыл бұрын

No it was a headbutt backstage during this very show when he said that.

@Brianbeesandbikes

4 жыл бұрын

@@madProgenitorDeity that took 10 seconds ... For more obscure subjects I agree tagging w links is a better way to go, but a topic like this is kinda easy to be your own researcher .... www.telegraph.co.uk/books/authors/gore-vidal-and-his-bitter-feuds/

Can you imagine Jimmy Fallon with these two? Nervous hysterical laughter saying “come you guys. HAHAHAhahaHa knock it off haHaaahha!”.

@nickyemana1159

4 жыл бұрын

Jimmy Fallon? Jimmy Fallon who never read a book in his life Jimmy Fallon who does not have a intellectual bone in body No I cannot Jimmy Fallon shallow vacant stooge of the philistine establishment

@poordefewnceallways5745

4 жыл бұрын

or any of the late night hosts. It would have been good to have had Christopher Hitchens as the referee.

@williamknell864

4 жыл бұрын

"Let's play Pictionary, gang!" "How do you like my Norman Mailer wig??!!"

@bogman192

4 жыл бұрын

jimmy fallon and his ilk will be brought up on cultural crimes to humanity one day.

@SenorZorrozzz

4 жыл бұрын

George Alexander right.

"Perhaps you'd like two more chairs to contain your giant intellect ". Best line delivered from a talk show host. Ever.

@kfrerix9777

Жыл бұрын

Why don't you fold it five ways and put it where the sun don't shine." absolutely shocked him!

@darillus1

Жыл бұрын

@@kfrerix9777 🤣🤣 that killed me

@bigtex4058

Жыл бұрын

Norman was a bit full of himself.

@michaellangan4450

Жыл бұрын

@@bigtex4058 He even wears boots to give him some height.

@morganophelia5963

Жыл бұрын

LOL

Honestly, the fact that this was left to go on as long as it did, is a testament to Dicks true dedication to open and free speech. Beautifully handled.

“Perhaps you’d like two more chairs to contain your giant intellect.” 😂😂😂

@SymphonyBrahms

3 жыл бұрын

"And your flabby butt".

@hyacinthlynch843

3 жыл бұрын

" and ego."

@rickrick5041

3 жыл бұрын

Very funny

@0funnyguy0

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, a great line!

@prince.mushroom

2 жыл бұрын

With Mailer and Vidal playing these outrageous characters, this was the best line of the show. I'm ever in awe of Dick Cavett.

"Perhaps you would like two more chairs to contain your giant intellect." -Dick Cavett for the win.

@mickeytete9036

4 жыл бұрын

I would like whole Madison Square Garden

@ThommyKane

4 жыл бұрын

dick always wins. He was and still is a fucking genius. lol :)

@MalAnders94

3 жыл бұрын

@@ThommyKane His best was '' I apologize to any of your followers for calling them a bigot, who are not a bigot''

@maddymud

3 жыл бұрын

Kevin Lewis - I thought Cavett’s comeback about cribbing the ass shoving retort from Tolstoy was the sharpest and the audience didn’t quite get it.

@dontbefatuousjeffrey2494

3 жыл бұрын

@@maddymud he was erudite AND witty - how many in his field can claim either, let alone both, today? (ok Stephen Colbert so sorry but still not QUITE the same thing EVEN given that great Eliot reference you gave us the other day)

Cavett is the best talk show host ever. He's keenly intelligent, witty, has done his research, is fully prepared, allows his guests to speak without constantly interrupting them, is impeccably polite, and maintains a relaxing, respectful atmosphere for his audience.

@prince.mushroom

2 жыл бұрын

The absolute best.

@jlongobardy1612

2 жыл бұрын

And, evidently, not a pusillanimous man. But one with pride and honor and the instinct to defend both.

@prince.mushroom

2 жыл бұрын

Carson looks like such a stuffed shirt next to Cavett

@pearlsammo1638

2 жыл бұрын

@@prince.mushroom Completely different …an apples and oranges comparison. If you’ve actually read Cavett, you’ll know he often called his former boss for advice. They were actually rather tight given their in-common Nebraska upbringing.

@lockandloadlikehell

Жыл бұрын

He's no Dave

I have no idea who this woman is but I absolutely love the way she conducts herself. She's proof that not every person when they reach a certain age starts to slow down mentally

@steveernst6342

Жыл бұрын

Janet Flanner was a brilliant journalist who lived in Paris during the rise of Nazis and fascism, and came up with the "Hitler as the vegetarian, non-smoker non-drinker - and yet a monster. I too want to know more about her. Her papers are in the Library of Congress.

@shrodingerscat4191

Жыл бұрын

She's vapid

@katherinerooks6984

Жыл бұрын

@@steveernst6342 Her collected works are available " Paris Was Yesterday, 1925-1939" and her biography Genêt by by Brenda Wineapple are both worth a read.

@AleisterCrowleyMagus

3 ай бұрын

@@steveernst6342 how utterly pathetic that we didn’t get to hear more from her, with her inctedible history and intelligence, while Mailer blathers on like the useless drunk that he was…

'We all know I stabbed my wife' just casually thrown into the conversation lmao

@ThePiratemachine

3 жыл бұрын

William Boroughs played William Tell with his wife. What happened to America's celebrities? ANSWER: America.

@selvamthiagarajan8152

13 күн бұрын

Yes noticed that😅

Dick Cavett’s show is such a national gem. Many of these historical figures are long gone and we can mine these shows for historical context and research in pop culture even. Just fascinating.

@maliant16

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I am addicted to these. I honestly can’t remember how I first stumbled upon these. I had no idea who Dick Cavett was. Now they pop up all the time and I have to watch them. This one I’ve seen like 10 times and had to study Norman Mailer and Gore Vidal’s history a bit because it’s so fascinating.

@thaddeushawley6523

4 жыл бұрын

I wonder if something similar could be recreated today.

@vic7939

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely true. I'm not American, on my 30's and from Portugal. So, different language, time and background. I somewhat sometimes end watching a Dick Cavet interviews with celebrities/famous people that I'm interested of learning. For instance, the classic Ali and Frazier episode, the Orson Welles, etc. I really appreciate the the witt and the way Cavet gives the guest to truly speak.

@WilliamGarland

4 жыл бұрын

"Look, you're going to be having dinner with Groucho tonight if you don't beat it!"

@kamuelalee

4 жыл бұрын

Wish the country had that same level of intellectualism today. It sadly does not.

Absolutely IMPOSSIBLE to even imagine a chat show like this now! It's all Hollywood "actors" for 3 minutes, then the next one. This is FANTASTIC!!!

@RC-bl2pm

Жыл бұрын

Yeah this long form is gone from television but it's common now on podcasts.

@jimmiemercer8930

Жыл бұрын

Very well put!

@Nerdiness1985

Жыл бұрын

That's why you should have stopped watching TV 20 years ago and simply just have actively searched for content online.

@ralphadamo1857

Жыл бұрын

You raise an important issue about the changing of the times. In a recent podcast interview between Bill Maher and Dana Carvey, Dana remarked that Johnny Carson was the perfect Tonight Show host for his time and Jay Leno was for his time as well. Dana then when on to say that in Johnny's day, he'd have a writer on his show, often toward the end. But when Jay took over, that tradition stopped. Dana said that in Jay's era--and today's as well--audiences would get bored if a writer was the guest.

@julianmarsh8384

Жыл бұрын

@@ralphadamo1857 Well that is the problem with American society....

“And I’m very very bored.” That’s legendary

@PayDaVig1

Ай бұрын

Who's the snobby broad?

Mailer looks like Bilbo when Frodo won’t give back The Ring.

@TreforTreforgan

4 жыл бұрын

P4Pgoat C.J.Watson spot on!

@JasonWrightArt

4 жыл бұрын

haha

@thedancingveganatheist6310

4 жыл бұрын

Damn. Almost identical. Seriously.

@billrusso8250

4 жыл бұрын

He does!

@wynnemcc

4 жыл бұрын

your comment made me laugh out loud

This is the epitome of “Never interrupt your enemy while they’re making a mistake”

@johnpatterson4272

3 жыл бұрын

Well said.

@gordons-alive4940

3 жыл бұрын

Except for the occasional sick burn.

@marciocouto3543

3 жыл бұрын

very precise, my friend.

@CyanideSublime

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed.

@maliant16

2 жыл бұрын

Was that Sun Tzu?

Four egos walk onto a stage...and that only describes Mailer.

@ImGoingSupersonic

11 ай бұрын

Lol

@parkerstroh6586

8 ай бұрын

You would imagine they’d all need to hide underneath a trench coat, but his big head is room enough!

@Ceerads

Ай бұрын

👏

Dick Cavett was the greatest host in the history of American television. Dick Cavett is too underrated these days

“There is nothing so stupid as an educated man, if you get him off the thing he was educated in.” Will Rogers

@trentrez6643

4 жыл бұрын

Doctors are well-educated people. Would you call them "stupid"? Thats a ridiculous quote

@jamstonjulian6947

4 жыл бұрын

@@trentrez6643 Obviously some doctors are stupid. Also you missed the point.

@trentrez6643

4 жыл бұрын

@@jamstonjulian6947 The "point" is educated people are only knowledgeable about 1 subject. A ridiculous notion

@jamstonjulian6947

4 жыл бұрын

@@trentrez6643 I think you're taking it very literally and still missing the point, which is that even the most intellectual or educated of people can appear foolish when going outside their remit, which many intellectuals are wont to do because of their ego. And "educated" in this instance is a byword for intellectual, not literally anyone that has had some education.

@mstalcup

4 жыл бұрын

@D JL No it isn't. Read what you wrote. Take out the word "not" in "subjects they are not educated in" and it will make sense.

This clip is like The Jerry Springer Show for intelligent people.

@kamuelalee

4 жыл бұрын

Loved Cavett's show.

@nickjohnson6368

4 жыл бұрын

@Frank Lemarin Oh come now, Mailer wasn't a complete fraud. You don't think he is likable at all? I agree Vidal would be unknown today, or he would have to be a history professor

@loischase3752

4 жыл бұрын

Well done.

@TheRootedWord

3 жыл бұрын

All of their intellect is pretense. I am the ONLY intellect on the planet. ;-)

@Maxyshadow

3 жыл бұрын

ha ha ha so funny!

This whole clip is fascinating for me. Just the entire interaction between Gore Vidal and Dick Cavett, Mailer talking over everyone else, the audience heckling Mailer, the insults between everyone, the uncomfortable atmosphere, Mailer’s almost bragging nature about stabbing his wife, Janet standing up to Mailer respectively.

@northwestprof60

2 жыл бұрын

The only thing different between this hot mess and a junior high schoolyard fight is the number of syllables in the words used.

@elisabethpine3420

Жыл бұрын

I listened to Mailer's delight in expressing his distain, his disgust for "intellectual pollution," a term he possibly invented and certainly revelled in, constantly using it as if he could not get enough of it, and he vulgarly accused Vidal of being guilty of it. I felt that it was self-defining, that Miller accusing others of it was a fine example of the pot calling the kettle black and typical of a narcissist personality.

@gherieg.1091

Жыл бұрын

@@elisabethpine3420 You don’t get it, sorry to say. Vidal is a backstabber. Mailer was intending to hash out in person what Vidal was doing through the pen, demonizing Mailer by way of countering his thoughts, both in print. An intellectually cowardly behavior. And you could see that play out right here in this treasure of a clip. Mailer is laying his cards on the table ... while Gore ( what an apt name ) was playing to the audience’s naïveté. Much like the virtue signaling Rampage of the Woke now. Vidal was a precursor of their chicanerous tactics ! And look at the effects of that bilious strategy ... they’re driving America into the ground !

@Polo-po

Жыл бұрын

@@gherieg.1091 Please - Shirley you can't be serious. Surely, you jest - so spare us.

@gherieg.1091

Жыл бұрын

@@Polo-po I stand by every word I said. And who is Shirley ? Didn’t you hear I’ve changed my name ?

Dick Cavett is still alive, he's currently 86. And he's appeared in a whole bunch of movies and TV shows as himself!

@Ma_Ba

10 ай бұрын

Saw a pbs docu on his house burning down and being rebuilt out on Long Island. He became a widower, sadly, too.

@MitchClement-il6iq

6 ай бұрын

Forrest Gump!

' Don't be autobiographical all the time ' is brainy for ' I know you are but what am I '

@johnbull1568

3 жыл бұрын

@@chriskent3640 Same here lol. I thought that someone else would comment on it and here I am ;-)

@armybeef68

3 жыл бұрын

6:50

@phukyu9016

3 жыл бұрын

He had at least three of them this show. Vidal was off his game and under pressure from a drunk dude, credit to Mailer.

@Kathy-iq7pt

12 күн бұрын

😊

Dick Cavett was great because he didn’t just use the talk show as a promotion machine. He was interested in people’s ideas and he let them explain.

@jpgrumbach8562

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, that was impressive. No "it's me & all about me" at all.

@Dyljim

3 жыл бұрын

@@jpgrumbach8562 Well except for Mailer's rhetoric lol

@dedosdigital

2 жыл бұрын

A shallow liberal snob , and here firmly on side with Vidal

@jsb4812

2 жыл бұрын

I don't agree. He nicely positioned himself with the "good guys". It would have been more interesring and brave if he attempted to create some sort of balance.

@perspii2808

2 жыл бұрын

His interview with Dali showcases an interesting alternative to that perspective He conducted himself well here though

As a retired English professor, I can say quite happily that Mailer is almost entirely forgotten as a writer - his poor little ego would need several bandaids. He blathers about Hemingway but Hemingway is still taught and Mailer is rightly forgotten. He wasted so much time here and everywhere pushing himself and his sad little ego and his self-absorption led to nothing - and no one cares about his prose.

@dougie1968

Ай бұрын

It's all about ego.

@Ceerads

Ай бұрын

Thank you.

@tonylord9917

Ай бұрын

Oh dear Lord! A person who calls themselves AleisterCrowleyMagus is blathering about little ego and terrible writing. I never particularly cared that much for Norman Mailer but anybody that has any sense that wasn't just a typical humorless liberal would see that he's playing to a crowd which was already slightly hostile to him. I found him to be very funny and found it equally hilarious that the crowd, who would eventually be the parents of present-day snowflakes, we're so easily vexed by him.

@JohnBrownsBody

Ай бұрын

@@tonylord9917 In what world was Mailer not coming off as a total thin-skinned snowflake? He was practically bursting into tears about how unfair the world is to his supposed genius. Ridiculous.

@jarredthorpe846

26 күн бұрын

From your perspective, would you say that Mailers work just didn’t hold up? Or never particularly good in the first place?

Mailer demonstrates how thin skinned he was and Vidal goads him in the same manner which led Buckley to almost punch him. Janet and Dick initially not taking sides until they did was a great comic relief. This was an interesting presentation, the likes of which we unfortunately haven't seen in ages.

@ZacD

Ай бұрын

Thick skinned, I think the opposite actually, that's how he got so goaded

@ZacD

Ай бұрын

Thick skinned, I think the opposite actually, that's how he got so goaded

"You two act as if you're the only ones here. They are here. He's here. I'm here, and I'm quite honestly becoming very, very bored.."--KUDOS TO MS. FLANNER!!!

@dontbefatuousjeffrey2494

3 жыл бұрын

she's a somewhat forgotten legend - an awesome woman, and here clearly showing her fundamental lack of egotism but still, a deliciously shrewd interjector lol I see Vidal really connecting with her in this. He just can't help but smile.

@joshm2690

3 жыл бұрын

love it

@neaituppi7306

3 жыл бұрын

Well, she is the voice of the people that just like social routine. The reason this interview is still remembered and even watched years later by people that are appalled by it, is because the routine was broken.

@joshm2690

3 жыл бұрын

@@neaituppi7306 That's very interesting . It a shame the routine is back . This interview is just amazing . I love it .

@Mizukitron

3 жыл бұрын

That little kiss she blew at him after that line was absolutely devastating

Gore: *doesnt bring up wife stabbing * Norman: oh so your just going to bring up that time I stabbed my wife huh, that's so unfair you jerk!

@RockSleeper

4 жыл бұрын

@Theocritus I must have missed it.

@earth2death

3 жыл бұрын

Gore was sneak dissing , he was ahead of his time lmaoo

@devo196047

3 жыл бұрын

I think Vidal was hinting at it in a way that would have been pretty obvious at the time. I think that is a form of dishonesty. It might win people to your side in an argument, but intellectually, it is dishonest.

@ThePiratemachine

3 жыл бұрын

What about Mr. Boroughs playing William tell with his wife?

@Lark1610

3 жыл бұрын

@@devo196047 Well, then he played Mailer incredibly well. Because Mailer jumped the gun. There is no way to say what were Vidal's intentions. And he can easily act as he did not have that in mind. Because either Mailer paved the way or Vidal made him do that.

Three brilliant guests, a genius host and a lucky audience. I wish tv chat shows nowadays was so honest and real.

@highwaystar3780

Жыл бұрын

I don't think that audience knew how lucky they were because they were as dumb as a fucking Rock

“I have to tell you a quote from Tolstoy?” Cavett was the best.

"I'm becoming very very bored" ~ Janet Flanner was a class act

@purrehype

3 жыл бұрын

*blows kiss* hahahah

@kayzyr9442

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, and Mailer was insufferable!

@RawOlympia

3 жыл бұрын

@@kayzyr9442 he stabbed his wife!!!!

@kayzyr9442

3 жыл бұрын

@@RawOlympia Just looked it up. His wife was almost killed, and Mailer only got 3 months probation 😳!!

@jarneyfs1

3 жыл бұрын

A tiresome well harrowed septic old ditch.

"Small mind. No matter." "Don't be autobiographical all the time." Damn! That was savage!

@wavetech_

4 жыл бұрын

we can be at least certain about one thing...this -in part- is where the Hitchens' wit came from

@BarrelShape

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, the "I know you are, but what am I?" of literary feuds.

@henridobbs2423

4 жыл бұрын

Barrel Shape well contrasted.

@CarlosFernandesS

4 жыл бұрын

was just watching a roast battle in comedy Central but that was brutal

@ThalassicMeasure

4 жыл бұрын

@MastodonManiac Interesting Mailer says no manners when every person in that room would describe Mailer that way but not Gore Vidal.

this level of conversation would NEVER happen in 2024. Kudos to Miss Flanner in her delivery of "I'm becoming very, very bored!"

@annmcdonough5625

23 күн бұрын

Mailer looks like he wanted to hit her.

I saw Mailer on a book tour in 1970 and he was as caustic with the audience on the tour as he was on this show.

Woody Allen in Sleeper_ "Norman Mailer donated his ego for medical research". 😆

"Small mind, no manner" "Don't be autobiographical all the time" lmao

@superman-lp9ct

4 жыл бұрын

@@TheModjack Wtf are you even saying.

@SkinnyCoutreux2244

4 жыл бұрын

That was a read

@rawantafech

4 жыл бұрын

@@superman-lp9ct I guess he was trying to quote Gore at 6:55

@redlobster4841

4 жыл бұрын

@@superman-lp9ct lol... you need a little bit more calm in your life my man

@MrShanester117

4 жыл бұрын

Rawan Tafech Matter not manner

One of the most entertaining moments on any talk show at any time.

This interview was petty but intellectual. Tedious yet rich. I feel smarter watching this show than what I have seen on TV in the last 10 years. Cavett was the best host on TV and it has gone down hill without him.

Jimmy Fallon would have asked them to play a game of charades.

@lola1987fudgeyouu

4 жыл бұрын

😂😂😂😂

@mrdankhimself

4 жыл бұрын

People don’t watch Fallon for intellectual stimulation. They just want something to giggle at as they doze off.

@nolanolivier6791

4 жыл бұрын

Jimmy Fallon in the same room as Mailer and Vidal would be entertaining, just to watch Fallon squirm and flounder like a beached trout... the cringe would be record-breaking.

@HighlanderNorth1

4 жыл бұрын

@@nolanolivier6791 .... And the sad thing is that Fallon is a genius and a saint compared with the other hyper-partisan sociopaths and narcissists like Jimmy Kimmel, Amy Schumer, Steven Colbert, Trevor Noah, Jim Jeffries and Samantha Bee... None of them are funny to regular people. They serve no other purpose than to continue the spread of left wing propaganda deep into the night(because it's not enough to see it all day long on the "news" networks)! Left wing indoctrination should be 24/7/365!

@AmritGrewal31

4 жыл бұрын

Which is fair enough as none of his guests are even half as thoughtful. Those guests are merely plastic eye candies.

If you wondering why we don't have talk shows guest like this, think about why we don't have audiences to appreciate them.

@donluchitti

4 жыл бұрын

naw. It's the shows because the people at the top of these networks only ditched these shows for advertising dollars.

@kerstinnorberg8323

4 жыл бұрын

I think this format has moved to KZread and podcasts instead of network television

@frankpeter6851

4 жыл бұрын

And the reason we don't have audiences to appreciate them is because the media companies have had a hand in dumbing-down the General Public

@tdunph4250

4 жыл бұрын

That's kind of an ass backwards way of analyzing it. But it IS valid. The talk show hosts have to dumb everything down nowadays for most of the viewership but on the other hand, it seems to me that the average celebrity really doesn't have anything interesting to say anymore. Also, most people watching the talk shows are unable to concentrate on anything for any more time then it would take for an explosion to happen. People need to be stimulated constantly and not in the intellectual way. It's supply and demand both ways. Idiotic talk show hosts will probably bring in dumb-ass viewership. Nowadays, unless someone is a Lib-Tard, they wouldn't be too interested in watching Jimmy Kimmel. Why is there such a huge cap between the talk show hosts of today and icons such as Dick Cavett, Merv Griffin and Johnny Carson?? It's not even close and that's sad.

@photo161

4 жыл бұрын

or a society that produces them...

Wow, this is one of the most intense interviews I’ve ever seen I’m liking this one.

Dick Cavett is still alive. I do not know why his show was never brought back. No garbage, no dancing poodles, proper discussion show.

@GoodmanMIke59

Жыл бұрын

Dick Cavett's show has never been brought back because Americans no longer have the attention span, the vocabulary, nor the intellectual curiosity required to view and digest it.

@paudsmcmack3117

Жыл бұрын

@@GoodmanMIke59 well said...they need dancing poodles and idiots like Jimmy Fallon

@foldsofblubber

Жыл бұрын

@@GoodmanMIke59 I'd have to agree with that. It was discussions at a higher level, not idiot late night pundits trying (and failing) to show everyone how clever and hip they are.

@chayo4537

Жыл бұрын

@@GoodmanMIke59 so are you in that flock by default? Or are you from overseas? a 1st world country? Cause you know that's the closest to the clouds

@jimdavison4077

Жыл бұрын

Because its not marketable. Not when confronted with modern shock programing it doesn't hold a large audience.

Perhaps you’d like two more chairs to contain your giant intellect

@MrCarltonjsmith

4 жыл бұрын

Wasn't that just brilliant?

@darreneriksen

4 жыл бұрын

That was so perfect.

@paulfroelich1024

4 жыл бұрын

Hahahaha

@lukeskywalker6809

4 жыл бұрын

Dick Cavett is a class act.

@rt2117

4 жыл бұрын

😂

48 years old! Mailer looked liked a senior citizen.

@stevencramsie9172

4 жыл бұрын

Everyone looked older back then. The hair, the terrible makeup, and likely smoking and drinking.

@christophermullaley1597

4 жыл бұрын

Hard living.

@grugposter605

4 жыл бұрын

No they didn’t

@TranscendianIntendor

4 жыл бұрын

No one can beat The Naked & the Dead excepting Dos Passos who went all in with Nixon. His writing just terrible by then.

@jimbobjimjim6500

4 жыл бұрын

@@stevencramsie9172 And much higher testosterone levels......

This is pure gold from over 50 years ago! A panel with Gore Vidal, Lillian Hellman & Norman Mailer ! Dick Cavett's show for that time was amazing. Actual conversations, lots of give and take, and not polluted with commercial breaks every 5 minutes. Watched this show when I was 15 - 18 and it made me get out and read more about these people and their works. No internet back in the 1970s, so it forced me to really get out there to seek it out and try to understand their stance on things. Thank you for finding this and sharing! BTW, Gore was Jackie Kennedy's step brother by marriage, and they couldn't stand each other.

@therealhousewifeofballtown

2 жыл бұрын

The lady on the show with them was Janet Flanner .

@normagrimstad8869

Жыл бұрын

I thought it was Lillian Hellman too at first, but she was a smaller woman.

@carl44acq

Жыл бұрын

That's not Lillian Hellman.

it is weird how intellectual and articulate those people were and how free and spontaneous that show was... I wonder what happened and made us regress to the quality of tv that we have today

@deirdre108

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, and this was (if I remember correctly) weekday late afternoon network family TV.

@d0wnboy

2 жыл бұрын

Too many channels needing content to fill. Not enough talent in existence.

@BayofPigs29

Жыл бұрын

Media consolidation. The failure to enforce anti trust laws.

@boztos6025

Жыл бұрын

Wokeness.

@MaisyMimi

Жыл бұрын

Boiled down to pretty people reading safe politically correct scripts and constant switching camera angels to make it less boring 💩

I've never seen a clip so full of Oscar Wilde-esque barbs and quips. Legendary.

@clarencearnold2137

Ай бұрын

Coming from Gore no doubt 😅

Vidal was such a master at softly helping idiots make fools of themselves in public I love it. And Janet Flanner just sitting there throwing shade at Mailer, this segment is a gem.

@ricardocantoral7672

2 жыл бұрын

Vidal also nursed feuds for the sake of publicity.

@ThatGuyMalasartes

2 жыл бұрын

Mailer is the idiot? You should reevaluate yourself

@TyrSkyFatherOfTheGods

2 жыл бұрын

@@ThatGuyMalasartes He certainly made an ass of himself in THIS appearance.

@manateestation5442

2 жыл бұрын

Gore Vidal is a Jussie Smollet. A Jodi Arias. A Nick Cannon. A Stephen Colbert. A Joe Biden. A Donald Trump.

@manateestation5442

2 жыл бұрын

You love the words of a snake. I can only imagine you're vaccinated.

This was a fascinating piece of television. We really DON'T get such interviews like this any more. Dick Cavett let both speakers speak freely and at length. Leaving the audience and viewers with much food for thought which is unlike many "interview" or "chat" shows nowadays.

@cngotham4111

9 ай бұрын

Because mostly everything is so separated. You got the liberal places and the conservative places. So no TV will not show much of this but KZread still has convos like this if you look for it.

@humbleopinion1499

9 ай бұрын

That's why I hardly watch "free to air" TV these days and spend most of my screen time on KZread.@@cngotham4111

Mailer might be the cleverest fool I've ever seen. Incredibly articulate, well read, yet incapable of understanding why everyone in the room hates him, or how to do anything about it.

@ShurlockHolmes

Жыл бұрын

I think you miss the point. Trying to understand it and caring are two different things.

@EyeMixMusic

Жыл бұрын

@@ShurlockHolmes You think he doesn't care? You could not be more wrong. Mailer had a massive ego, and the derision of the crowd infuriated him. If he "didn't care" he would not have responded with such scowling, seething anger. He couldn't STAND that they hated him - or, more to the point, that they weren't lavishing him with praise.

"Perhaps you'd like two more chairs to hold your giant intellect"

@JSB1882

4 жыл бұрын

That was the real quip that was hysterical. Nicely done

@brianyoung3

4 жыл бұрын

@@frankpeter6851 I don't think you need any help Frank, we don't really have an honest argument or prize fight going on here because 3 of the participants are too well bred to engage and the other is the self declared Champ and wants to have it out. The dance, as Flanner says, is a bore and I agree.

@paulbaran549

4 жыл бұрын

He puts Mailer's intellectual arrogance into a cocked hat.

@tonyc9460

4 жыл бұрын

TFW too intelligent

Norman Mailer doesn't shake his hand in the beginning, that's a shit thing to do even if you don't like the person.

@randyrysdale852

4 жыл бұрын

yeah, be a man

@lpsp442

4 жыл бұрын

Mailer was (evidently) very, very angry with Vidal, to the point of approach a loss of self control.

@thinredline2795

4 жыл бұрын

No, it's an honest thing to do

@deadheaders86

4 жыл бұрын

I might hesitate to shake Vidals hand if he washed immediately before, but both have reall interesting points.

@bassinblue

4 жыл бұрын

@@thinredline2795 I can understand not shaking a man's hand if he slept with your wife but if he was just doing his job...kinda makes a fool out of ones self.

I loved how Vidal never ruffled. His few volleys were executed with precision. He is the only one who did not visibly get upset. He wanted a discussion, not an insult war. Mailer was a deeply disturbed human being. I've never read his work and don't care too. Apparently, he was a great writer with controversial views. I was worried for Ms. Flanner for a moment. Notice how Mailer postured toward her when she told him she was bored with him. That's a tactic abusive people use to intimidate. She had pluck and good for her for not backing down. What a truly sad display of a bitter and broken man.

@ricardocantoral7672

2 жыл бұрын

Vidal and Mailer had a very volatile relationship but when it's all said and done, both men respected each other's writings.

@tuanjim799

2 жыл бұрын

Mailer had issues (as many people do), but there's no denying he was a brilliant artist.

@SgtPeppersLonelyHeartsClubBand

2 жыл бұрын

Mailer stabbed his wife.

@tuanjim799

2 жыл бұрын

@@SgtPeppersLonelyHeartsClubBand That changes nothing about what I said.

@mrt601

2 жыл бұрын

He lost me when he moved forward with a act of aggressive behavior the display of a truly weak man I'm sure he picks and chooses who he flexes on if you wouldn't flex on everyone you shouldn't flex on anyone

Every so many months I come back and watch this video again.

This is so bizarre. Just schoolyard bickering with a thesaurus.

@carlodave9

4 жыл бұрын

End Boss A fitting epigraph for the episode would be, "I'm rubber, you're glue; whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you."

4 жыл бұрын

This is NY, and the E Coast chattering establishment writ large...always has been.

@metatronatra

4 жыл бұрын

End Boss it's so funny how much hot air and ego can convince the public you're an intellectual when in reality most of this is just insecure windbags vying for some sort of Oscar wilde-esque supremacy in snarky rebuttals

@augustomontes8202

4 жыл бұрын

"Just schoolyard bickering with a thesaurus" LMAO

@nitwitromney

4 жыл бұрын

@End Boss: Perfectly put!

"Perhaps you'd like two more chairs to contain your giant intellect." Great line by Cavett.

Discussions like this on mainstream media have not happened for a very long time and will never happen again. It's like we're watching something from another planet.

@clarencearnold2137

Ай бұрын

It reflected the idiocy of the blathering class at the time

THIS is glorious live television of a bygone era! Norman Mailer and Gore Vidal (and Dick Cavett) are LEGENDS!

@petermills542

Жыл бұрын

It haddened occurred to me that this went out 'live'!! That really adds to the sense of a bygone era!

Cavett "perhaps you'd like two more chairs to contain your giant intellect' lol perfect.

Mailer: "small mind, no matter" Vidal: "no don't be autobiographical all the time" Damn. Lol

@lawrencegriffiniii3954

2 жыл бұрын

Believe that is going straight to the memory bank. Straight razor sharp.

@watts111

2 жыл бұрын

Most of Vidal's "retorts" seem to consist of variations on, "I know you are, but what am I?"

@jonglenister3268

Жыл бұрын

@@watts111 I thought I was the only one who noticed. These comments are driving me crazy. People are so impressed with smarmyness they dont actually listen to what's being said.

@robertortiz-wilson1588

Жыл бұрын

@@jonglenister3268 exactly

@erichuang7524

Жыл бұрын

@@jonglenister3268 sometimes swarmyness suffices to entertain

Norman Mailer took some criticism for being married 6 times and having numerous mistresses. In his favor, however, of all these women, he only stabbed one of them.

@edvardskryten7765

2 ай бұрын

"We all know that I stabbed my wife," Mailer said casually and leisurely.

@winonafrog

Ай бұрын

Heroic, honestly, when you put it like that 😅

two amazing minds wrestling with no holds barred, and with great eloquence.

My lord, Gore's retort to Norman's request that they close out the crowd and talk only to each other was magnificent.

This show makes me want to hop in a time machine and go back.....Janet Flanner was classy and incredibly fun, Norman Mailer was fascinating and the most intelligent and interesting brat in history.....and then Gore Vidal who managed to be at once completely brilliant and hysterically funny....not to mention the always charming, gifted, and humble Dick Cavet. I hate that not one of these amazing souls have a current contemporary......sigh. 😍❤️

@hyacinthlynch843

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. They don't make em' like that anymore.

@JF-NYC-NJ-Girl

3 жыл бұрын

I ABSOLUTELY agree!

@flanplan5903

2 жыл бұрын

Uh…check out Graham Norton for amazing talk show hosts. Albeit he’s more of a UK one than a US one.

@dan_hitchman007

2 жыл бұрын

@@flanplan5903 Norton draws his guests out with humor. He's as talented and witty, in some respects, as his famous guests. He gets respect. Whereas a Fallon or a Kimmel are boobs who pretend to be talk show hosts.

@anfg7376

2 жыл бұрын

you over egged mailers pudding rather....

In the early 70's, I took a friend to the Little Rock Airport for her flight back to New York. As chance would have it, I was in the process of reading " Of a Fire on the Moon", by Normal Mailer. Norman Mailer and Norris Church were in the waiting area for the same flight. I introduced myself to Mr. Mailer, who promptly invited me to fly with him and Ms. Church to his home in NYC.

Thank goodness for KZread and videotape! Moments like this are fascinating human drama. Cavett was savvy enough to step back and let the tension build.

"I have to tell YOU a quote from Tolstoy?" I think is the best line here. So fucking quick on Cavett's part. Mailer had a well known passion for Tolstoy, and his writing was often compared.

@paulfroelich1024

4 жыл бұрын

I don't know shit about this stuff, but you sound like you're smart so I'll say that's a great point. Then proceed to watch Parks and Rec clips

@RK-rf8rc

4 жыл бұрын

That's what's so interesting about Cavett and old talk shows, there was far more intellegence going on than today. Can you imagine James Corden or Seth Meyers knowing these things

@rexnemovi6061

4 жыл бұрын

@@RK-rf8rc Well, the most interesting part is not that the host(s) and guests were able to carry a conversation like that but that the audience was able to follow to the extent that they found the shows entertaining. The difference between back then and today doesn't speak well for how the education system (d)evolved since.

@elisabethrio8291

4 жыл бұрын

Yes, Cavett was cool and witty, as were the others. Mailer was blustering and bullying--undignified.

@elisabethrio8291

4 жыл бұрын

@@RK-rf8rc Yes, We are all dumbed down now!

"How to make friends" by Norman Mailer.

Mailer: "It was the voice of legions." Me: *DEAD* 😂😂😂😂

This is what youtube should be about at its highest level; the free and open exchange of ideas and opinions. You the viewer can not walk away without having your consciousness expanded and/or challenged... Bravo!

@redberdyaev6648

9 ай бұрын

The idea that this was an intellectual discussion is the funniest thing I've heard since clicking on the video.

The twist: There was no audience, just voices in Mailer's head.

@ThePiratemachine

3 жыл бұрын

Come on baby, let's do The Twist ~ it goes like this... interview

@fhjhjhgjghj7353

3 жыл бұрын

Alternative title: “Norman Mailer ABSOLUTELY DESTROYS himself”

I had a chat with Dick back in 1980 in line at a bank on 75th and Lexington. He had a sailor hat on like Gilligan. I recognized his voice first. He was in front of me chatting with the person in front of him. Very nice man!

@kcash6359

3 жыл бұрын

I ran into him at a casino and recognized his voice first also. We tossed some jokes back and forth. Witty guy.

At least they're still talking. DC is still compelling TV. I love the episodes with Orson Welles sharing stories. Truly brilliant. Thanks to DC and the team for making these available.

We all have been in verbal wars, only to think of the perfect "come back" line hours later. On talk shows Maybe one great snappy line of retort might be heard. This one show contains a score of perfect zingers, each, of perfection, and worthy of great reflection these 52 years later.

Janet Flanner is the low-key winner of the segment.

@Bubbles99718

3 жыл бұрын

And the cookies were her prize

@mattbetzen4376

3 жыл бұрын

I know she just one-punched Mailer at 12:40

@AreMullets4AustraliansOnly

3 жыл бұрын

She was very charming and witty i agree

@blackwingvalleylover

3 жыл бұрын

Love her so much! When she says "oh dear god let's not go back to that again" 😂

Mailer needs another chair for that gigantic chip on his shoulder.

@hayleyava7398

3 жыл бұрын

Hehe true.

@insanitysreign6195

2 жыл бұрын

OOF

No one. Like, literally no one: Norman Mailer: "We all know I stabbed my wife."

@kingy002

5 ай бұрын

Imagine the argument that proceed him doing that. He clearly could not let anything go.

@analogpark8059

4 ай бұрын

But also 'it's beneath us to think in thick, frozen terms of intellectual pollution [like calling me a male chauvenist pig]' 😂

According to an episode of Frasier, Gore Vidal "hated everything". And that was done when he was still alive! But I sure did like him in this. Also, he wrote the 1968 novel Myra Breckinridge and completely disavowed the 1970 film version directed by Michael Sarne, calling it "an awful joke", which it was. Later on he wrote the screenplay for the movie Caligula and director Tinto Brass and producer Bob Guccione turned it into something completely different that he did not approve of, and he also disavowed it as well. That happened to him twice! And he not only feuded with Norman Mailer, he also had feuds with Truman Capote and William F. Buckley as well. But it's here where I thought he was really great and I now want to read some of his literary works at some point!

"Which of us has ever met a genius?" To understand how humble a question that was look up Janet's Parisian years and see the kind of people she was hanging out with...

@MinimunWage

4 жыл бұрын

it's especially infuriating she's decades older than Mailer and he's treating her like a child, no other reason than just to assert his ego

@NiceGuy678

4 жыл бұрын

John Hurley Mailer had no problem making himself look stupid in this video.

Mailer complaining that he got no time to speak, never stops talking.

@serious7179

4 жыл бұрын

Thats how those types usually are...they cry foul while knocking someone down

@jubalcalif9100

4 жыл бұрын

Ya got that right !! Mailer is clearly itching for a fight !! The mature thing to do would be to just ignore what he thought Vidal was saying or writing about him !

@bluecollarlit

4 жыл бұрын

LOL.

Excellent monologues. Both of them.

"We all know that I stabbed my wife years ago..." wtf that was unexpected lmao.

"Don't be autobiographical all the time." Booyah!!!

@phukyu9016

3 жыл бұрын

I know you are you said you are but what am I?

@baileymoore7779

3 жыл бұрын

That was a brilliant burn. Vidal has an awesome wit.

@g-girl9867

3 жыл бұрын

This comment is much like when we were children, “I know you are, but what am I”?

Gore Vidal's rant at 20:20 eerily foreshadowed Mailer's championing of murderer Jack Henry Abbott, whom he helped get released from prison. Abbott then murdered again.

@pinetree1616

4 жыл бұрын

Christopher Walken and Susan Sarandon showed up to offer support for Abbott, with Mailer, after Abbott had murdered the waiter Adan! Wonder why I've never seen any interviewers ask Sarandon and Walken about that?

@PsyVen

4 жыл бұрын

@@pinetree1616 Interesting -- I did not know that! /you learn something every day online.

@kevinmathewson4272

4 жыл бұрын

@@pinetree1616 Psychopathy was not well known or understood back then. Abbott's criticisms of the prison and foster systems probably moved them, and they probably believed his criminal behavior was an expression of deep trauma rather a pathological inability to feel empathy or remorse.

@mrHoppedupford

4 жыл бұрын

@@hamsandwichindahouse don't commit crimes and you'll never have to worry about prison.

@ncooty

4 жыл бұрын

@Scobey scobe: Are you saying no one has ever been falsely imprisoned?

Loved Dick and his show , the 60's and 70's was a time of social evaluation.

This show was on before I was born. There is nothing in modern tv that compares to it's simple genius of unfiltered, unmanufatured, genuine, captivating and intellectually witty group conversation

@robertberry8960

Жыл бұрын

Generally I agree with you. I enjoy the old Cavett episodes. This one in particular sounds like an episode of Crossfire written by Shakespeare on psychedelics. Nothing of substance comes from it. I did look up Janet Flanner, who had a fascinating life.

I love when people spoke like this. Even the insults and arguments.

@sacredgeometry

3 жыл бұрын

Some of us still do.

mailer: i have a complicated mind. you know it's so complicated that gore has said with some justice that my work is becoming unreadable. it's the one thing in his critique that i agree with. jimmy fallon: HAHAHA wow! you agree with that? complicated! complic-HAHAHA! oh my gosh that's so crazy. HAHAHA i love that. gore's, like, freaking out over that right now!!

@frankscott1708

4 жыл бұрын

freakish how I understand this comment. also tragic

@lilmorsecody

4 жыл бұрын

one word man I'm 19 and it's nuts to see this in comparison to the tv I grew up with. jealous!

@julietantonio1049

4 жыл бұрын

Oh God, this HURTS

@rudolphguarnacci197

4 жыл бұрын

Cavett is an ass who sucks up to what's popular. Mailer rules. Listen, all you libs, you deserve what's coming in our dystopian future. Except it ain't the future, suckers.

@rudolphguarnacci197

4 жыл бұрын

@v- r-m Hi v-r-m, Live a long life.

I never heard of these fellows but this is kind of awesome seeing these kind of debates from these type of people in the past I don’t think you could ever have that today whether you agree with them or not

My god that woman was class from start to finish

This entire video is a masterclass on Narcicistic Personality Disorder.

@lavishmcronald

3 жыл бұрын

@VV I heard no substance from Norman.

@SofaKingShit

3 жыл бұрын

@VV Have you actually read any of Norm's books? I've never seen him interviewed before but he certainly seems to reflect his work's self indulgent and superficial nature, written by a Fitzgerald wannabe whose literature really hasn't aged all that well.

@finlayson6868

3 жыл бұрын

@VV The only thing Mailer said, is exactly what you said: "People don't understand me because I'm so much more intelligent than they are." He said nothing of substance. Insulting people, using polysyllabic words, acting defensive; this is not the way to win a debate...frankly it's not how a normal, well adjusted person acts. The flaw with Mailers mentality - and apparently yours - is that he thinks anybody who disagrees must just be an ideological drone who can't think for themselves. When everybody agrees on something, it's worth having a moment of internal reflection. You have to remember that the women's liberation movement they are discussing is very distinct from the feminism of today. Mailer was against basic women's rights, and instead of admitting that this was wrong, he assumes that everyone else must have bad motives. That's next level narcissism. Thinking that everybody else must be idiotic, or possessed by political motives; instead of entertaining the possibility that he might just be wrong.

@finlayson6868

3 жыл бұрын

@VV Never once did I say that I’ve got it all figured out. Never once did I say that I’m an intellectual. I’m pointing out the obvious: Mailer made a fool of himself here.

@finlayson6868

3 жыл бұрын

@VV you told the other person that he doesn’t have the capacity to understand what Mailer said. If that’s not calling another person stupid, or bringing down the conversation to ego, I don’t know what is.

What is going on here? I've always heard that KZread comments were the worst of the worst, but I've read nothing here but thoughtful, intelligent commentary. Gives me faith in humanity.

I had no idea Norman Mailer was such an asshole but he could have at least shook hands with Gore Vidal like a gentleman.

Vidal: Well, I'd like to get into some of Norman's writing here, ah, let me-- Mailer: EVERYONE KNOWS I STABBED MY WIFE EIGHT YEARS AGO ALRIGHT?!!!!!!!!

@hazzajonesmusic27

4 жыл бұрын

I wasn't going to talk about that ..gold

@roma5869

4 жыл бұрын

That was definitely the part of the interview where I knew Mailer lost it.

@W00KER

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely hilarious

@kp9952

4 жыл бұрын

Tell me, Sean, why you had to misquote Gore in order to make a nothing point.

@lennyrose5852

4 жыл бұрын

Sharon Jensen “These two”? How did Vidal behave like a child or worse?

Cavett nailed him with the Tolstoy quote! lol

@jimnewcombe7584

2 жыл бұрын

It was a joke though presumably - I doubt Tolstoy would say any such thing!

Its great to see two guys talk things through with out ego getting in the way

I love this show! We could all learn a great deal from this "lack of format"/ ringing in the situation.

The audience members' response to Mailer was refreshing - specific rather than just boos or applause.

@thegrandpencil4374

Жыл бұрын

The internet has caused the common man and woman to become far more same-y. People think in hordes now because of it, and less critically.

Gore Vidal was so smart keeping his mouth shut and just letting Mailer look like a fool.

@anarchycastro

4 жыл бұрын

As Norman said, “He's a good politician”.

@The_Antiquary

4 жыл бұрын

Not really, Vidal exuded slimy and insufferable without a word.

@MrWhiskeycricket

4 жыл бұрын

@@The_Antiquary Please elaborate.

@Oners82

4 жыл бұрын

@@The_Antiquary Why, because he refused to bite at the childish insults?

@AwfulWaffle8474

4 жыл бұрын

"Never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake" -Napoleon Bonaparte

Janet Flanner wrote the letter from Paris for The New Yorker: her articles were collected in a book. As for Norman and Gore, boys will be boys. Vidal was the cannier: 'I'm very fond of Norman.'

That Tolstoy line was priceless!