Yeah. Her health has really betrayed her. But, every once in a while, when she's able to capture that old form, her game is still a thing of beauty.

This is why Steffi's win against Venus at Wimbledon a couple of months later was so sweet, I do love me some Steffi Graf!

Venus, such an elegant and yet powerful player. Just beautiful to watch! I especially love her matches against Jelena. I hope she never retires and go on playing till 50.

@eizyaws

4 жыл бұрын

Two amazing and elegant players!

@mrrogers302

4 жыл бұрын

GoTeam What was the point of this comment?

@grunchlk

2 жыл бұрын

I like Venus, but elegant? You kidding?

@gregoryoleynik1544

5 ай бұрын

@@grunchlkdo you remember her younger self? Anyways she is elegant now too.

These girls were starting to come alive in 1999...they were taking top players out...Serena had just taken out Hingis and now Venus took out the Queen (back then) Steffi....these girls went on to shake the WTA in a way to where players had to revisit their training techniques and change their game to keep up with these sisters from 2000. LEGENDS...they will go down as the baddest sister act to ever grace the WTA...forever my #1 and #2!!!! So proud of Venus and Serena...

I've never seen Graf get beat like that! There were glimpses in the final at Indian wells right before this with Serena but Venus took the beat down to another level!

@1Rdby

7 жыл бұрын

Cherchezlatrish Check out Steffi's match against Mary pierce at Roland garros in 1994. Worst whippin' she ever got.

@tylerbam7183

5 жыл бұрын

@@1Rdby Pierce was so amazing when she was on. Too bad she was so erratic.

@zacharystivers4645

3 жыл бұрын

Monica Seles beat her pretty good a few times as well.

Those rallies. Venus was determined she was not going to lose. Her confidence here was flawless

Venus is just too good here! She hits with so much authority and this is a prime example of why anyone who thinks Graf would be whipping player's of today's era is delusional. A disease took Venus out of the hunt but clear to see here she was so very great. Her net game so superior she's bossing Graf around the court. Not easy to do. Venus was greater than Serena too bad disease conquered her game. Venus=badass! Bossing all contenders. Venus was the bomb. I miss her game the way it was.

@vaudraymurray4982

6 жыл бұрын

JJ truth you better preach!

@helderbento7991

Жыл бұрын

Delusional? So when Steffi beat Venus in Wimbledon it was what? Coincendense.

@gregoryoleynik1544

5 ай бұрын

@@helderbento7991no, but Venus was able to get a win against Graf even being young and very far from her peak game. Do you understand how Graf would’ve looked like against for example 2008 Venus?

Venus owned Steffi in this match! I miss that swagger she used to have!

@Munkyjoe1

7 жыл бұрын

She bought a tiny amount of class with the money she made in an honest fashion, opposed to your typical black way...you know!

@alessaschmitz5847

4 жыл бұрын

Cherchezlatrish .....and 5 months later lost Venus @ Wimbledon against Steffi. 😙

@ajollypanda4175

4 жыл бұрын

@Illya Kuryakin Steffi, roger have just as much as swagger...just because they are more subdued doesn't mean they don't think they are the best. You don't really reach their status without thinking/knowing you are better than everyone else. Also did you basically just say you only like venus because she loses more? lol.

@ajollypanda4175

4 жыл бұрын

Illya Kuryakin No I am saying their kind of swagger comes from knowing they are great. Also don’t switch up what you said, your comment implies you hate people with swagger and you like when they lose. Then you make the analogy of venus losing and how you want the same for serena. Theres nothing disrespectful venus is doing but being fired up and a short celebration after beating one of the greats. You’re just bothered by her winning.

@kojoharrison630

Жыл бұрын

Her unfortunate chronic medical condition; ‘Sjogren Syndrome’ is to blame for her dip in form for the past 12 years! I still believe that no one can beat Venus at her healthiest best (not even Serena!)

I love how Vee beat her with a backhand up the line winner. Graff was not used to playing players with a solid backhand. She looked out of sorts, she was like damn I can't beat Vee or Serena, I might as well retire...lol

@kojoharrison630

Жыл бұрын

Too True Dear Sal ☝🏾👍🏾🙏🏾❤️

Well done Venus. I confirm what i was thinking, if Graf would had played between 2000 and 2010 wouldn´t have won so many grand slams.

Phenomenal win over Graf by Venus! I loved it! :)

Wow, i want the fearless girl with the beads back. She was amazing back then. And i mean in the attitude deparment. Fist-pumps, great consistency and more important than all, belief. I know she now hits the ball twice as hard and deep, but there were no errors back then. I miss this girl.

@kojoharrison630

Жыл бұрын

I don’t know if you’ve been following The Williams sisters very closely 🤔. If you have you will also know that the reason why Venus’s form dipped very low was because she developed ‘Sjogren’s Syndrome’ which is a debilitating chronic illness without cure! This affects joints and muscles and makes the sufferer persistently fatigue all the time. Sometimes she never got out of bed let alone be able to train/practice so her form dipped far below Serena’s. Venus had a change of diet and lifestyle to help her live with this condition better. But there is no cure so It has greatly affected her Tennis for the past 12 years 8:16

@gonarg90

Жыл бұрын

@@kojoharrison630 Yes, I am a fan and have been following their story very closely. My comment was made 12 years ago :)

@kojoharrison630

Жыл бұрын

@@gonarg90 Aw I see ☝🏾Gonzalo! Do Pardon me and thank you for pointing that out 🙏🏾😅😂. Even now that Venus is 42 (& soon to be 43) I still pray and hope that she somehow is given her energy & strength back to play the way that she can…..because I think she’s been robbed of her real ability to have achieved much more. I miss the way she used to play. Take good care Gonzalo 🙏🏾👍🏾❤️

Two of the greatest movers in the history of Women's tennis. Amazing court coverage! Venuses foot work is not as great today as it was then. She should watch some of her old matches. She's still covers the court well but tends to be more awkward today. Steffi's foot work is the best ever. She was just out played this day.

I loved it when Venus had that 'no one can beat' me look..

Matches like this made it painfully clear to Graf that her time in tennis was up.

4:55 amazing court coverage from venus!!!!

No matter what, Serena has 23 now!!

@renesluijter

Жыл бұрын

Still 23 after 5 years....

@Wow_sheng_yi_pian

Жыл бұрын

@@renesluijter Four finals after a life-risk birth at 37 years old. What more Shall we ask for Serena?

A 35 match win streak in the toughest era in the history of women's tennis...I'd call that impressive...Azarenka was beating nobodies...Whether you want to give her credit or not, she is one of the greatest players ever.

Keep reaching this. Venus in full flight is amazing

It's interesting to see how Venus used to move compared to today. She used to take more little steps. Now she too often takes big steps and is out of position to defend as well. She should look at how she used to move when she was at her absolute best through out her career. It was at these times when her foot work was at it's best.

When you can only hit winners from one groundstroke, things can get really hard....

@jktoooo

8 жыл бұрын

Uh, yeah, 22 GS titles later....

@alcornasu2

8 жыл бұрын

+jktoooo if only Seles had not been stabbed>>>ijs

@Munkyjoe1

7 жыл бұрын

That's right. But Don't hate on The Williams Brothers fans though. They have never had two black siblings be successful at anything besides rolling a joint or having a welfare case for years and years.

@arathgomez615

6 жыл бұрын

Ben Smith Don’t degrade Mexicans just him. As a Mexican, we don’t associate with people like that. Racist dumbass that probably doesn’t have a clue that white people are the majority when it comes to welfare and collecting checks.

@dermainedibbins9157

5 жыл бұрын

@Illya Kuryakin So you're going to assume that if a black person likes a black player it's only because they're black? I wouldn't assume you only like Steffi because she's white but something tells me if she were black you wouldn't be her cheerleader...😁

Absolute Greatness!

I have this entire great match on VHS. I need to convert it to a DVD & upload the whole 1999 Miami Semifinal match to KZread. I also need to find the entire 1999 Hannover match again with Venus vs Steffi which went to 3 sets in Venus' favor. Another entertaining match between these 2 great champions. A highlight of that match is here on KZread but I really would like to see the entire match if anyone has it?

@Cherchezlatrish

7 жыл бұрын

Steven Michael yes pleases

@eizyaws

4 жыл бұрын

Plz upload!!

@kojoharrison630

Жыл бұрын

Aww please please Steven Michael please post the matches for us 🙏🏾❤️. Thank you so much 👍🏾

Wow what a match by Venus, we haven't seen her play this well a lot from 2003 on

Wow, great match, Venus. You were awesome. Congrats🥰😔🌹🎁💙🌿💜❣️💞🎊🍰🌿💖🎈🏆🌺☝️🥳🌵🥳🎾👍🌸🍀

I saw the whole match live in 1999. Steffi Graf was so dominated the whole match, it all depended on Venus´s errors for Graf to score points. As you can see in the highlight the point Graf won at 4:45 was only one point where Graf suddenly attacked and won. She tried 2 more times but lost those points.

I love these videos because I can watch them as if its happening now (I didn't even know about tennis during these times)....I love the sisters but I think fans on both ends need to be respectful of the greats; this was the end of an era and the start of a new.

Graf did not kill Venus at Wimbledon, she won 6-4 in the third in a well-fought, well-played match. She had waaaaaaaayyyyyy more experience than Venus and barely won. That should explain the talent of Venus on a grass surface.

Wow! Venus is Amazing...Steffi is too...Venus is too good here.

This is one typical example that marked the emergence of the Williams Sisters who vastly improved on Graf’s power and speed game and raised the bar of Women’s Tennis to a different stratosphere which is still unmatched. The power on both wings, the power and speed of the serve, standing way inside the baseline to receive serve, intimidating return of serve, turning defence into ferocious attack, The Williams signature’Drive Volleys’ which they created and their own brand of approaching the net when they need to. Graf was considered unbeatable at her best then came the Williamses ☝🏾🙏🏾💫⚡️☄️💎👑👑

Williams hit so many winners in this match that Graf used to hit in one year. Williams comprehensively beat and beat Graf in this match. The scores that Graf got were from Williams´ errors. Graf was so humbled by this match, she hired new hitting partners after this match.

This is the most vicious I've ever seen Venus...did you see that expression on her face when she won? VICIOUS!

Does anyone have this entire match? I used to have it on VHS but it unfortunately got damaged. Venus played beautifully vs Steffi Graf in Miami 1999.

Oh and shame on the crowd for their boos.... This never happens overseas. Overseas, the crowd cheers for their countrywoman AND AND AND she was the underdog too.... hmm....

@Munkyjoe1

7 жыл бұрын

Venus and Serena are liked in other countries because the people there miss the slaves that they used to own back in the day...ghetto over it!

@ralphbourgeois5875

5 жыл бұрын

She wasnt the underdog. She was ranked 4th and coming into her prime, and Graf was coming back from major injuries and ranked outside the top 10.

@iamrips2132

4 жыл бұрын

@Illya Kuryakin No , only you want that because you are a racist.

Coukk look don’t agree more 👏🏾👍🏾. It was the emergence of the Williams Sisters and this demonstrates how they raised the bar of Steffi’s even to a stratospheric height. Power from both sides, movements, speed, Great devastating serves and traditional and their signature ‘Drive Volleys, was the new era introduced by the Williamses….Unmatched to date 💫⚡️☄️🙏🏾❤️

So many people are stuck in their own negativity, Graf to be fair had a winning record over Venus and an even record over Serena. All three are great champions. She was at least 10 years older than either of them. So if your argument is that the sisters weren't even in their prime yet then how about that Graf was out of her prime when she beat them. I believe that if they were all in the same generations that the matches would have been spectacular and likely all three would be beating each other on a regular basis.

@TheCritic605

8 жыл бұрын

graf and serena are tied H2H...serena is 1-0 against graf in finals

@papatojohn2364

8 жыл бұрын

the Wimbledon match Venus lost it she had 15 opportunities to break graf serve

@Infelsinave

7 жыл бұрын

Haha... you seriously believe prime Graf could beat prime Venus or Serena... she would barely squeak past Sharapova or Azarenka

@magnetmac1

7 жыл бұрын

...Graf wouldn't beat an in-form prime Venus. And truth be told, she would have a hard time against Sharapova and Azarenka.

@Munkyjoe1

7 жыл бұрын

Hater you are a hater. Take your black shades off and see the truth...STEFFI!

I agree. This was further confirmed a few months later when Venus defeated Graf at Wimbledon. Oh wait...

What an amazing match! Venus tore Graf apart, and her movement and groundstrokes were really something to behold! Does anyone know why people were booing at the end?

@papatojohn2364

8 жыл бұрын

Graf played defensive and powerless players in past ,peoples are wrong thinking Graf will just demolishe ,peak kvitova ,sharapova or Azarenka ,that rubbish ,these players can overpowere graf on good day

@stevenmichael4990

7 жыл бұрын

Because of the usual disrespect towards the Williams Sisters.

@vv-mg7vo

7 жыл бұрын

stop speaking nonsense you fool. You know nothing about tennis if you say shit like that lol

@ralphbourgeois5875

5 жыл бұрын

Azarenka isnt even a power player stupid. She is more an accuracy and placement player, a much poorer version of Clijsters or Hingis. And Graf did very well vs all of Seles, Davenport, Pierce, Capriati who all hit the ball as well or better than Kvitova or Sharapova.

Graf and Seles knew very well that their days were numbered whenever they played Williamses.

@nambelas

4 жыл бұрын

@Illya Kuryakin Yeah, she knew she had what it takes to beat Steffi and she was just 2 years on the tour.

@nambelas

4 жыл бұрын

@Illya Kuryakin And she was hardly active on those period.

she really had swag back then!!

incredible point between them

couldn't agree more

Best match I've seen Venus play. Graf looked her age here

@eizyaws

4 жыл бұрын

29?

uptight is an understatement.

Great Match.

She killed it!

with this win venus definitely said to steffi "you are too old"

@russell1764

2 жыл бұрын

and when Steffi beat Venus at Wimbledon later that year, what do you think Steffi saying to Venus?

Do you or anybody have this entire match?

Really? A video about two great tennis players and some idiot wants to comment about who still wears beads? When you can't discount someone's achievements its always easier to go personal.

All the hate against Graf is ridiculous. Serena, Navratalova and Graf are all basically interchangeable as GOAT. They always will be. It all comes down to people's personal pref which has NOTHING to do with 'facts' but their emotional response to the players. Each player took the sport to the next level and has on their resume achievements that can't be replicated. Serena is underrated atm but that is because there is no new 'graf/serena/martina' threatening her crown and making us apreciate her

It is one of those matches where doesnt matter what Graf could play she wouldn´t beat Venus! totally outplayed!

quelle humilité, quelle classe cette steffi graf et le plus beau palmarès de la wta

@chrisarmelseyibayebek4977

4 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣la grosse blague... Serena et Navratilova tu connais??

What happened to this Venus? She was awesome!

Unfortunately, this Venus Williams doesn't exist anymore. I actually haven't seen Venus Williams move this well & play this brand of tennis in a Long Time. The last 10 years or so, Venus Williams hits the ball less aggressive, more defensive, moves around the court less explosive & Venus just doesn't have the killer instinct anymore like she did in this match & her other match vs Steffi Graf in Hannover '99. Yes, I understand Venus Williams has been dealing with her fatigue zapping, autoimmune disease the last 10 years but her disease is also zapping her aggressive mentality & killer instinct. It's the reason why Venus Williams hasn't won a Grand Slam title since 2008. Venus hasn't even won a regular title since 2015 or 2016. I really miss this Venus Williams. She was an amazing athlete before her autoimmune disease.

@guest4590

5 жыл бұрын

She's 39 this year. What on earth are you expecting.

@maximilianasmr7202

3 жыл бұрын

@Ilya Kuryakin Venus rarely played small tournaments anyways. Your point? At one point during her careers she even went to fashion school and interior design and missed many months.. Tennis wasnt everything to her especially in 2005-2006

And played in a much greater era

That's great....once again you give Graf credit for quantity over quality...and ignore the fact that at least some of her quantity was handed to her (being made to work LITTLE due to after-effect of Seles' stabbing). Most agree that Serena's quality is in a league of her own. Just read an article today that stated that an Olympic Gold in a few weeks time would solidify Serena's place as no. 2 all-time...even ahead of Evert and Navratilova.

all i can say is that on this match a very young V crushed the still young and in prime Graf. This showed the world that Graf really wasnt the gr8est ever she just had not come up against the real great players who could expose her weakness's: the main 1 being her back hand. V n l8r Serena made sure to make her run around her back hand which opened up the court for V to hit a winner up the line...Graf got away w/ it b4 b/c aside from Seles her other contemporaries also had horrible backhands.

Yeah 2000 was the most dominant ever Venus and still could only win tournaments (not just slams) for a 3 month stretch, and had losses to Coetzer, Dokic, and an old Sanchez Vicario. To win U.S Open and Olympic Gold lost sets to 30 year old Tauziat, old Sanchez, post stabbing Seles, was points from losing to Hingis, and to win Wimbledon barely survived grass court legend Hingis in the quarters, lol! Yep womens tennis has never seen a display like peak Venus.

@Hoffenheim08 are you german ???

well said

why did the crowd make such sounds at the end ?

And might I add, that win streak has not been matched since and that was 12 years ago.

We miss you, Steffi!

@idontsignin I'm sure you mean Navratilova, and if it is, I agree!

No doubt.....where is there to aim on the court?....please tell me LOL Unfortunately it has never really happened for a huge stretch of time (like the greats before them), but we've seen what they can do injury-free and match tough...it is throughout history unmatched. Simply put...at their very best, they make their weaknesses look non-existent.

Not being in her prime and still young, beating Graf tells it all. She was talented. Prime vs prime, Venus owns(too many weapons). It's just unfortunate they are of different generations.

Lol, i agree with you, but with others words. Greetings from Chile.

Any Graf interviews out there where she talks about the new generation (i.e. hingis, williamses, kournikova?) Yes, age and injury were slowing her down a bit but she also had to know the game was changing and there was no was she dominates like she did in 93-95 with the rise of the new kids. i do recall she ended a 99Wimby match w/Clijsters and told her she was playing "tennis of the future."

@kojoharrison630

Жыл бұрын

Graf was only 28

I understand. I wanna see 2009 serena play 2011 vika.

@MissThingSings Yes...they said the same thing to me as well...honestly if it was Steffi was in Martina's shoes, and vice versa, they would be humming the same tune we are...they'll find anything they can to place Steffi above everyone else, when it's clear that some others have accomplished more in and for the game.

@MrNeilsy - Agreed. Then again, with what she's accomplished and the life it's afforded her, I'm sure her footwork is that last thing on her mind. As much as I'd like to see her footwork return to this form, she is older and I doubt she's as invested as she was back then. :)

i agree with the Sjogren's syndrome of Venus which started after her abdominal problems in 2003; Amazing that she won those titles being weakened by this disease. She always looked tired to me after long matches, something that was'nt the case pre2003

It was clear that Venus can overpower even Graf. Evert, Navratilova, and Graf (and even Seles) would not have won as much if the sisters were around during their time I think. Venus and Serena would have blown them off the court.

Venus and Serena had a post-2000 game when they came on the scene....little did we know that this same game would translate into the NEXT decade as well. That's all I'm trying to say...obviously Venus and Serena's careers do not even come close to the few names ahead of them on "the list" haha, but they would still beat them all at their peak abilities.

She had 9 clay court titles, frezkazoid! Despite no FO, that's still twice the clay court titles Serena has. It makes no sense using one sister against the other, for most people with SENSE realize that as far as other players are concerned, THEY STOPPED EACH OTHER! How many times have they had to cancel each other out to win titles? Graf didn't have that...in FACT, the only legends who had anything CLOSE were Evert & Navratilova. They are practically the same age, and came up together!

I think it was more like OOOooooooo...like they couldn't believe what they just witnessed

誰都知道當年葛老太婆就是帳著莎莉絲被刺後漁翁得利，才能拿到22座大滿貫冠軍，我多麼希望小威能儘早打破這個紀錄，因為我們想看到的是真正憑著實力拿到更多大滿貫的傳奇。

@gabe228 I totally agree...you have to take away the OFFENSIVENESS of her slice! As soon as you force her into all defensive slice, she's in trouble....the thing is that in her day, those women could not do that...not enough power to force her to hit her slice off the back foot, or more importantly, with very little time to execute that extra signature bite that her slice has on it more often than not.

people at the end are almost like buuu, why is that so? because venus raised her hand like that??

@Hoffenheim08 are you in love with her ???... steffi became a professionnal tennis player in 1983, she was 14... players didn't hit the ball as hard as villiams did at the end of the 90's or now. So i wanted to say for a veteran like steffi in Miami 99, her classic game wasn't as strong as it was by this time, on hardcourt. You're totally right steffi did beat venus in WImbledon QF this year, her slice was just amazing on grasscourt, but not especially on hardcourt. Have a good day !!!

So where have you been the last several years where Serena has clearly grown in the humility department? How many players, especially greats ones, started out so humble?....and more importantly, how many showed such humility every single time they played, win or lose? I think you'll find that list quite small...if there is a list at all.

Basically all you did was state that Graf was fucking up...probably due to Venus playing almost flawlessly (ummm 4 errors)? Venus will never lose a tennis match if she's making that few mistakes...the same can be said for Steffi obviously, but Venus came out knowing what to expect...she had already lost to Steffi a couple of years before this and was determined to let everyone know that she had what it took to beat her.

@ventea "but whatever." umad, bro?

What people are forgetting when Graf did beat Williams sister it was always close and they weren't at there full potential yet. There's no doubt in my mind Serena is the greatest of all times. Think about it name some of the people Graf beat in Grand Slams the last five years of her career. My point exactly, Serena's competition is far more difficult than Graf! Hell Justin Henin could've taken at least 4 of those GS! Hell not to mention Azarenka

@stevenmichael4990

9 жыл бұрын

***** You have No respect for Kimiko Date. Obviously, if she could come back & compete at a high level against girls 10-15 years her junior, Date was a great athlete. And she won a few matches against younger, higher ranked women but she wasn't or isn't winning many tournaments or Grand Slams for that matter. So, you continually bringing up the fact that some younger, higher ranked players were beaten by the 40 yr old Kimiko Date, means Nothing. It tells me Kimiko Date was & IS a great athlete & tennis player. If Kimiko wasn't So in Love back in the mid '90's when she first retired, she might have been the first Asian female player to make history. I'm sure her culture & family also had a lot 2 do with Kimiko Date retiring at 25 yrs young.

@stevenmichael4990

9 жыл бұрын

***** No, 40 yr old Graf, Sabatini, Novotna or Sanchez can not beat today's players and you wanna know why....because they don't want 2 compete anymore. Now, maybe if they wanted 2 play a 9-11 month tour, sure they could win a few matches or beat 11 players & win a few sets against today's players but the fact remains Kimiko Date never won a major when she was in her twenties or when she came back in her late 30's. So, Again, WHAT THE HELL IS YOUR STUPID POINT ALREADY?!? Give it a rest already. Stop your ugly madness already. Serena Williams IS & WAS A great player! Serena is number 1 in the world & has been the BEST PLAYER in the world for the past 3 years. (Yes, I said the past 3 even though she was ranked 1 the past 2 years. Serena is human & she's made a few mistakes in her personal & professional lives. Steffi Graf is also a great player & if she came back & committed 2 playing in the pro tour again in her 40's, she might be ranked in the top 10 again. Would she win a major or 2, maybe but I don't think she really would. But again, what are we talking about? Why are you trying 2 discredit Serena Williams & all her accomplishments? Don't you have enough in your life 2 focus on? Why are you so eager 2 disrespect what Serena Williams has worked all her life 2 achieve? The only reason I'm wasting my time replying 2 your ignorant comments is because I'm tired of people like yourself who keep pushing your negative agenda on KZread. I can't remember when I posted a comment about a famous person I didn't like or approve of. If I don't like them then I usually don't say anything or write any comment. What for? I like Serena Williams. I'm happy for all of her success on the tennis court. So, I post my comments but when I read ugly, stupid, racist comments from people who obviously don't like her, I don't understand. Go post positive, loving comments on one of Steffi Graf's videos. Leave the negativity in the streets or in your home. Don't spread your negative crap all over KZread. There's no need for it. If you don't like Serena Williams, ok but we do. Spread love not war. lol.

@stevenmichael4990

9 жыл бұрын

I agree with you. Steffi Graf's competition was far weaker than Serena's and not as deep as Serena's era for sure. There are many more hard hitters & better athletes in Serena's era. Graf never faced as tough competition day in, day out like Serena has in the last 17 yrs.

@stevenmichael4990

9 жыл бұрын

***** What's dumb about what they wrote? It's actually very correct.

@QuadThreat85

9 жыл бұрын

***** if Graf was half herself, Serena was possibly LESS than half herself in 99. I'll give you that Venus was kind of close to her best, but only because she had few years to show us her true potential (thanks to Serena & Sjogren's). But to try and suggest that Serena was close to her best in 99, to strengthen an argument that peak Graf > peak Serena is just desperately grasping for invisible straws. Try again!

the key to beating graf is the ability to capitalize on her wicked slice backhand, something men are used to and can often capitalize on, but most women have trouble with. The few that can in fact capitalize off that slice can really mess up Graf's game

@MissThingSings Yeah she did do her thing in '88 for sure...I'm not sure if anyone will ever be able to do it again.....but let's look at the competish in '88...THAT"S why she did it! What happened to her in '92?...and '96?...those were more competitive tour Olympic years for SURE!...and we all know she retired before the '00 games....because she her pride wouldn't let her leave an Olympics without a medal at all.

i meant 2012 LOOL. God im really stupid.i dont even know which year it is now.I wanna see 09 serena vs 2 vika.sorry.

@MissThingSings you and I both haha...he's probably in the process of making more usernames to accommodate newly discovered personalities.

Cleary you can see the racism back then as Anerican 17 year old Venus William's wins a point there's little to no clapping for her point but win Steffi Graf wins the point the crowd erupts in applause . I still don't understand how Serena and Venus overcame that adversity to become the top players in the world .

Right, where it really counted.

And Serena's OBVIOUS greater competition. Who was Graf's greatest competitor? You' can;t say Navratilova because their careers of playing their best did not overlap enough. She only gets credit for a few years...3 at most. So it's basically Seles. And that was for only barely 3 years as well. One of these years she had both of them (1990 I think). That's it! Venus, Clijsters, Henin, Davenport, Sharapova, Azarenka. All WORTHY grand slam champions who have been in Serena's way.

the 3 greatest players in history are martina n number 1, steffi number 2, chris number 3, their records speak for themselves, martina would tear apart the youngster of today.

@MissThingSings lol I didn't hear anything of this until I saw you and Hoffenheim arguing about it...the hand signals thing. It's kind of sad, because why would someone like Steffi Graf need anyone to help her on court?...I thought she did a pretty snappy job alone :/

@Hoffenheim08 steffi graf is my absolute favourite player of all time.

I was far more impressed by Serena's performance vs Graf in Indian Wells than this. Since while Serena barely beat Graf and Venus won easily here, Graf was playing real crappy tennis in this match, I think she had over 50 unforced errors to only 16 for Venus, while in Indian Wells Graf was actualy playing really good tennis and Serena still beat her.

@TarHeelBlueFreak

5 жыл бұрын

Ralph Bourgeois “Playing real crappy” or Venus was just that much better. This ain’t like it’s the only time Venus beat her

@ralphbourgeois5875

5 жыл бұрын

This is the only one of their 5 meetings Venus won in straight sets. The other 4 she lost 3 times, and won once by breaking near the end of the 3rd set. All but 1 of the matches in 1999 too. So if your basis is their normal outcome this match was an anamoly in that. Anyway I am not judging by the result but the actual match. Graf did play crappy and had over double the unforced errors of Venus, which is quite unbelievably given that the Williams sisters are the queen of unforced errors. Contrast that to Indian wells when Graf was playing extremely well, over three times better than she was here, and Serena still beat her, which is far more impressive than beating a super poor Graf in straight sets.

@TarHeelBlueFreak

5 жыл бұрын

Ralph Bourgeois So what was the excuse for her losing at Hannover? Because surely even if it went to 3 sets Venus had the far better performance.

@TarHeelBlueFreak

5 жыл бұрын

And you do realize you can force an unforced error right?

@ralphbourgeois5875

5 жыл бұрын

What are Venus's excuses for her 3 losses to Steffi (the 96 was age I could agree, but what about the other 2 this year). Your point is pointless. The fact is YOU are the one who referenced their other matches, not me, and I pointed in their other meetings Steffi either won or lost a very tight 3 setter in the one other loss, so that was a very poor reference. If you want to explain why Steffi played well in this match, you will have to do a fuck of a lot better than that.

Mits Vilander said it as well.. It's not just "us commoners" who believe in Serena. Some of the experts do to. And I can;t wait for Serena to show up ripping a new one in all the records (especially the ones concerning 30+ players). Serena will almost single-handedly (with Federer a little as well) turn the tide of tennis to inspire players to develop later and play MUCH longer than what was once considered the end. Like she looks like a 31 year old out there...not even CLOSE.

I agree with everything...don't get me wrong. It was never meant to belittle anyone, but most Graf fans refuse to put Serena up there with them, and it's not fair. There are many things in this game that allow Serena to stand alone (just like the other greats), and people continuously write off her achievements as if she doesn't matter. P.S. the next one of "them" probably won't come for a few more years...the transitions of the game were ruined when Graf retired early and Seles got stabbed.

So many debates about Serena vs Graf on a video of Venus vs Graf. Interesting.

@mrrogers302

5 жыл бұрын

@Illya Kuryakin Not as big as the haters. All these people searching Serena's name just to find places to insult her seem to have the biggest problem.

@mrrogers302

5 жыл бұрын

Illya Kuryakin Yep. Someone certainly has a chip on their shoulder.

@mrrogers302

4 жыл бұрын

Illya Kuryakin Yall show that Serena's the GOAT by coming on videos she isn't even in and trying to belittle her. If she weren't, you wouldn't care.

@mrrogers302

2 жыл бұрын

@Max E You’re ignoring the obvious elephant in the room when it comes to the Steffi debate.

@mrrogers302

2 жыл бұрын

@Max E Seles was dominating the tour. She had won 7 of the last 8 slams. Henin never had numbers like that and she quit by choice. What a terrible comparison.

Why was the crowd booing in the end?

@chrisarmelseyibayebek4977

4 жыл бұрын

because according to them the wrong person won the match

Serena: the Overall Golden Slam....and counting! The world will see decades from now who feat is MUCH harder to accomplish....Serena's, or Steffi's.