I dont know why someone or Valve just doesn't make a controller that has an identical layout to the SD without the screen. They're leaving money on the table! so many times I'm using a bluetooth controller and i'm like ughh gotta go grab the mouse to navigate and do whatever for a quick sec. They could even add a small physical keyboard at the center bottom like those attachments you can buy for xbox/ps controllers. that would literally be perfect for mouse/keyboard inputs on a controller. SOMEBODY STEAL THIS IDEA!

@50086gt

Күн бұрын

That’s what this is but they got rid of the garbage trackpads

@johnjone965

Күн бұрын

you can use a ps5 controllers mousepad on the steam deck.

It's a bit of a stretch to call this a Steam Controller 2. The HoriPad exists on every other console. It's like calling an 8BitDo officially licensed Xbox controller a brand new first party Xbox Controller.

@dnic9562

3 күн бұрын

but it has steam input, capacitive sticks and everything it needs to work on steam deck what else would you call it...

@justjoe1071

3 күн бұрын

​@@dnic9562MadCatz controllers have RGB and turbo functions.

@CFWhitman

2 күн бұрын

He didn't call it a Steam Controller 2. He called it a HoriPad Steam Controller.

@Bootchair

2 күн бұрын

@@justjoe1071more functions to inflate price and wear down battery. Basic is better. Rgb on a controller is the dumbest thing I’ve heard of, no one is looking at their controller while playing a video game 😂

@MA-xd9zl

2 күн бұрын

@@dnic9562for me the most iconic from valve controller were the trackpads… there’s no trackpads in it bro. And honestly, it seems just like an adapted version of the ps5 pro controller for steam… and with no humble.

Meh I use a trackpad in most games. If they do not make a steam controller with 2 trackpads I am not interested.

@LogainAblar

2 күн бұрын

I 100% totally agree with you. I don't care who made the controller, if it's for Steam but doesn't support dual track pads then you've already lost a sale. I will never support this when the ACTUAL Steam Controller supports dual touch pads.

@50086gt

Күн бұрын

Track pads are total ass for games. We know you’re a liar if you say you use them for most games

Experiencing a trackpad with haptics is a game changer IMO and I don't know if I can ever use a controller without it. Hoping Steam doesn't abandon it on SD 2 or Steam Controller 2.

I need dual torchpad! No buy .

@spendle

3 күн бұрын

I agree. The back grip buttons and gyro are cool, but it really needs the touchpads to be feature complete.

@shaolin95

3 күн бұрын

😂😂😂

@gokuljosh1186

3 күн бұрын

No rumble !

Its not the steam deck controller 2 or steam controller 2. Its literally called the horipad for steam.

@ethanschenk7147

3 күн бұрын

Did you actually watch and listen to this video lmao

@Bootchair

2 күн бұрын

@@ethanschenk7147clearly not 😂

The controller just needs rumble and 2x track pads like on Steam Deck and I'd be so excited

@50086gt

Күн бұрын

No it doesn’t bc track pads are trash

I know a lot of people are used to using the joysticks, but I didn't really play games before the steam deck and on the steam deck I learned how to use the trackpad for aiming. I have to say using the joysticks now feels terrible compared to the trackpad

That Hori controller seems like a step backwards from the PS4 controller I'm using. I use the trackpad for some games to create radial virtual menus to do things... plus I have one of those cheap button backplates to replace having to push in the L3/R3 buttons that works extremely well.

Gimme a steamdeck without a screen and call it a steam controller 2... Ill give you a kidney

@MrSyphon28

Күн бұрын

Think Valve would be VERY smart to do this. Give it a little more power, allow medium graphics that can upscale from 1440p to 4k. Reduce the cost f PC gaming. This is going to be Microsoft’s next play with the Xbox.

So noticing that bottom bit with the dpad and right stick. It kind of looks like that's a separate part of the controller. Maybe it's swappable and they would allow a TouchPad module for both track pads.

The Dualsense edge has the same amount of inputs but also has a touchpad for even more inputs and it currently has the best gyro on the market. It doesn't have capacitive sticks though, but for online shooters is that really an issue? when most would want gyro to always be on. I'm still intrigued though.

Really hoping for one with the touchpads, o use Desktop Mode mostly and still love my original Steam controller for, surprisingly, photo editing and hopping in and out of emulators and mods.

@50086gt

Күн бұрын

Why? If it had track pads and sticks it would: 1.Not be ergonomic 2.Cost too much to make 3.Cost too much to buy 4.Nobody uses track pads anyways bc they are stupid 5. They wouldn’t sell well. Just like the steam controller it would be a failed, pointless product for dummies

GOD NO!! I need touchpads!! I use a steam controller constantly and touchpads on the deck. I'll just have to buy more on ebay if they go with an xbox style. The OG is literally god tier. New touchpad tech would make a MKII perfect.

I use Big Picture Mode for a while, and it's working fine

well, theres room for 2 tiny squares on the sides of the bottom middle section for tack pads, have a switch to turn them on and off so you dont have to worry about your hand resting on then during gaming. Ive just been waiting for a PC controller that shaped and mostly formatted like xboxs with mouse pad and a spot to plug in a mini keyboard so I can transition between game, tv, and browsing on my PC with the same in hand controller. Its really surprising no one has done this yet.

If that's what you've been asking for, you've never used an actual steam controller. The touchpads are way more precise in every game I've thrown at it. (And it actually is my main controller on pc.)

Using hori on other systems loved them so hopefully this will be as good.

I’m surprised valve or Sony haven’t figured out a way to make their handheld systems (steam deck and portal) have a controller mode for pc or ps5

@johnpanda6201

3 күн бұрын

They can just don’t want to.

@joogled1839

2 күн бұрын

like the wii u? yeah... great idea.

@Bootchair

2 күн бұрын

@@joogled1839ideas are cheap, execution is critical. Nintendo failed and continues to do so. Why anyone would want a modern Nintendo console is beyond me. Unless you absolutely have to have their games I get it.

@tacothunder2298

2 күн бұрын

Sony can easily do it. Ps vita acts as a controller when connected to ps4.

@joogled1839

2 күн бұрын

@@Bootchair "nintendo failed" is insane dude. i wouldnt call the third bestselling console in the world failing.

that hori controller looks good, i hope they release a variant with Playstation stick layout.

I will have to disagree with the trackpads with the Steam Controller. I own one for more than 5 years (still alive and kicking), and I use the trackpads with multiple functionalities and most of them are made readily available by the community via Steam Input. I prefer playing Doom 2016 and Doom Eternal using the trackpads of the Steam Controller than a Keyboard & Mouse these days (I'll definitely do the same thing when The Dark Ages come out), and I use the trackpads entire surface (especially edge recognition for other functions) with games like Fallout 4, SkyrimSE, Monster Hunter World and Monster Hunter Rise. And I use it on Racing Sims like BeamNG and Assetto Corsa more than any gamepads cause of its uncompromising customization. The pair of trackpads are definitely not for everyone that's given to any unconventional inputs but that doesn't mean it doesn't work on games.

Does Game recording can also be use on other handheld device like ROG ALLY and Legion Go?

@BigBossultrastealth

2 күн бұрын

It’s in the steam client

On the back of the controller looks like a switch between Steam and X-input. My guess is that the software is only needed when it's switched over to X-input for custom keybinds. I'm basing this on my experience with 8bitdo's controller and software which also has a similar switch on the back.

I wish valve/someone would release a super compact controller that could fit in s steam deck case/ pouch, for easy portable multiplayer sessions

I love how customizable the Deck's controls are. If the Steam Controller 2 is as good as the Deck's controls, this is going to be the best controller ever. If it had a trackpad and the sticks are Hall Effect, that would put this right over the top for versatility and longevity. I'd gladly pay 150-200 bucks for this, since I'd very likely never have to replace it.

@nempk1817

2 күн бұрын

Its not Steam Controller 2, is just an 3rd party making a controller with license from Valve.

Needs trackpads, haptics, and vibration... Also needs hall-effect sticks

woot I'm ready for steamdeck screen recording

The dex on steam is for the ps5 controller that works really well with steam maybe that's why more people are using it

I finally got my deck 512 gb a few days ago I'm so happy with it ☺️ now I'm going to buy a bigger third party bag for it a sanddisk micro sd card with 512 gb. A steam deck dock and a case with a stand so it can be on my table

No touch pad no buy for me. Was super excited, now I'm sad. Freaking Vavle quit playing with us and give us the same setup as the deck as a standalone controller.

I use my elite 2 controller when playing certain games and the PS4 controller when playing tekken 8 😊

I need an exact steam deck track pad on a steam controller. At least one on the right. that is a huge part of me being able to play the PC games that I like to play. How else are you going to play a bunch of these base Builder and automation games that don't have controller support? Otherwise I'll just use 8 bitdo ultimate or a dual sense or an Xbox controller. I like the 8-Bit do ultimate the best for PC so far because it has at least two back buttons

Nop. Will wait for a Proper steam controller with track pads. Simple as.

my Steamdeck is suffering from this issue where the button become not functionial and I have to sometimes double or triple press the steam button to open it's menu it's so annoying

You didn't mention that the new controller does not have vibration.

... And I purchased an original Steam controller for my Steam Deck setup, learning the hard way, that it's a "relic", I have an Elite Series 2, which isn't far in terms of buttons, I don't know anything about the PlayStation controller, never played one, PSP, and PS3 are the only PlayStation consoles I've ever had.

That 26% probably also has a steam deck and use the dual sense for the Gyro

Not a steam controller 2. No touch pads. No buy

Not having rumble is a major dealbreaker

@smidlee7747

Күн бұрын

Keyboard and mouse doesn't have rumble and many still prefer using them. One of the disadvantages of rumble it's kills the battery life like the PS5 controller. A controller without rumble can last for months on a set of batteries just like a wireless keyboard and mouse.

So you're telling me you don't have multiple controllers and one dedicated for your pc? My pc don't have blurtooth😅 so I hope this connects from Wi-Fi

Ill stick to the PS controllers with my trackpad

It’s not a steam controller 2, no touch pads, it’s just a hori branded controller

After my update, it never turned back on

Cool video! I like that Steam released the data on controllers. I use my Dualsense via Bluetooth. Just because I like the Touchpad and I love Gyro. But yes.. not having the adaptive triggers is a bummer... but I mean even Xbox and Nintendo don't have them, heck Xbox doesn't even have gyro.

I've been using nuthing but 8bitdo controllers for so long now I forgot other controllers exist. 8bitdo controllers have never failed on me but I like what I see with the hori.ill wait till it's reviewed.

Now rog going to made something similar

Tbh I was disappointed with it but once you said 4 back buttons I changed my mind they can just take my money

Make a review of the fantech nova pro V2, a very good controller, I used to have a nova pro V1 until someone stole mine 😅

I'm not gonna sugarcoat it. Controllers are better for like 80% of games. I personally only really use MKB for shooters. I did play SF6 with a keyboard for a time too.

i agree with you most of those games are better with controller, but i prefer mouse and keyboard for GoW

How long are going to stay behind the competition in resolution, processor, memory, and screen hz? I remember selling my oled Steam deck long ago because of the lack of power. I had planned to get another one after a power update.

@Bootchair

2 күн бұрын

Many factors. Almost too much to list. The steamdeck OS is getting more efficient as time goes on. The oled screen is already at 90hz. There’s no reason to go beyond that. Sure there 144hz screens on handhelds but the power consumption is atrocious. There’s only so much space for the battery unless they start with a brand new chassis, Which won’t happen for a long time. The steamdeck from its first iteration to the latest has seen overhauls to every single component. Zen2 is still a power house and pretty conservative on battery. With the launch of zen5, and still Being on TSMC N6/N3/N4X process node while being more efficient and a chip level we may finally see an updated steamdeck with updated hardware. I wouldn’t hold my breath because prices for zen 5 are going to be expensive for a while. Were a year out minimum.

This is not a steam controller. This is a hori controller compatible with steam. No dual trackpads is a deal breaker. I'll stick with my OG steam controllers. I see this as a sellout and compromising/abandoning their ways if valve considers this an actual steam controller.

I'm going to guess the use of PS controllers on PC has to do with people having PS for a console (FF might be on Steam but there are still JRPGs out there that aren't on PC) so they might as well use that. The other reason I'm going to guess is driving up this trend despite the software issues is the ergonomics. My three grip fingers and trigger gingers absolutely love the XBox controller, especially if I'm playing a game for hours. My thumbs are different matter as the D-Pad feels too far away. It's not a problem for the right stick but it's not like I play FPS games with a controller (well, OK, I put Warframe on 3rd person view - controllers just make melee combat easier) for hours on end, but as much as I played SF in the arcade before, I get forced to use the left stick over the D-pad because of how it feels trying to reach the D-pad. I ended up trying a GameSir T3. Triggers feel like total POS to the T4 Pro, but my left thumb doesn't feel like the D-pad is too far on fighting games and it feels fine on mecha games, but what do you expect from a $22 2.4g wireless controller. What still kinda sucks is my three grip fingers just find it way too small, which is a thing for PS4 and older. I'm guessing the PS5 controller's grip might have fixed this, but even if they haven't, it's way easier to just win fighting games on a PS controller (with my left thumb not having a problem) and take a break or at least most RPGs are slower-paced in terms of input so I just have a very loose grip.

There are Chinese controllers with Xbox layout ,hall effect joysticks and analog triggers with rumble and back buttons, 2.4ghz bluetooth for 50 dollars, pretty much end game controller (gulikit, 8bitdo). What's the point of this new steam controller then? it got nothing.

@SoundToxin

2 күн бұрын

This controller is indeed disappointing, but what it does have is the ability to have gyro and analog triggers at the same time, and back buttons supported for separate inputs from the other buttons. I have GuliKit KK2 Pro and KK3 Max, 8bitdo Pro 2, Ultimate Bluetooth, and SF30 Pro. They make good controllers but due to the way they pretend to be Xbox or Switch controllers in their various modes they have some pretty unfortunate limitations. Switch mode has gyro but digital triggers, XInput mode has analog triggers but no gyro. It's pretty much just PlayStation controllers that are able to have both, and those don't have Hall effect sticks, and there aren't many third party controllers that act as PlayStation controllers.

@zaghell

Күн бұрын

@@SoundToxin thanks for the info, I don't own any of them but I'm considering them because of their stats, I have a regular Xbox series wireless, happy with it but thinking for a second one to be one of those hall effect ones. In your opinion which one should I get?

@SoundToxin

Күн бұрын

​@@zaghell It depends on a few things, like which stick layout you prefer (symmetrical or offset, aka playstation or xbox style), how much you care about back buttons/paddles, and if you think you would ever use macro recording/playback. To start with, the GuliKit KK3 Max looks awesome on paper but has been pretty buggy for me. The Switch mode doesn't work on my Steam Deck for some reason, and if I played wired in XInput mode I get ghost pressed, the steam/home button presses itself randomly every few minutes or so and messes me up in games and activates shortcuts, pretty much unusable if you like to play wired. I reported it to a few people but it doesn't seem like it's getting fixed any time soon. On the other hand their older KK2 Pro works quite well still. The main thing you're missing with the KK2 vs the KK3 are the 4 back buttons they added. GuliKit's controllers can record up to 10 minutes of gameplay and play it back, which can be useful in some scenarios. Like if you need to do something very repetitive you can record yourself doing it once and then let the macro loop to craft a bunch of items for you or repeatedly attack something or whatever. It's also handy if you need time to pass in a game without your Deck going to sleep since even just something like opening and closing the inventory on a loop is enough to keep it awake. The GuliKit controllers have the Xbox-style stick layout, so that's another major factor to consider. All macros and settings and configuration of GuliKit controllers are done without external software, it just uses button combos, which some people really appreciate. 8bitdo has controllers in both stick styles. There's no macro recording/playback. The Switch mode and XInput modes both work on Deck, wired or wireless. So if you play any shooters and want to use gyro aim I would probably lean toward 8bitdo. The Ultimate Bluetooth controller from them has the Xbox/Switch-style layout with the sticks. The 8bitdo Pro 2 is more Playstation-style. The Pro 2 has a very nice dpad and is good for a lot of 2D games. Platformers, fighting games, etc. The Ultimate Bluetooth and Pro 2 both have two back buttons, compared to the GuliKit KK3's 4 buttons and the KK2's 0 back buttons. You will need the "Ultimate Software" app to reconfigure 8bitdo controllers to assign the back buttons and such. 8bitdo recently revised all(?) their old controllers to have Hall effect sticks. The Ultimate Bluetooth was their first to have them. So if you go for a Pro 2, make sure it's the new version with Hall effect sticks. Check description, pictures of the box, reviews, etc. to be sure. So for PS-style sticks I would recommend the 8bitdo Pro 2. For Xbox-style probably either the GuliKit KK2 Pro or 8bitdo Ultimate Bluetooth, unless you never play wired and you think the extra back buttons on the KK3 are worth it. Bugs with the KK3 aside, I would say they're all pretty good controllers, and they all have Hall effect sticks now. I've used them on PC/Deck and Switch, even used some on a modded Xbox 360 and they work pretty well. Also, for all of these controllers, the firmware gets updated over time fixing issues, you'll probably want to update them as soon as you get them.

@zaghell

Күн бұрын

@@SoundToxin Thanks for your very informative reply again. As I thought, it's between those two Chinesium companies. Pretty embarrassing for the big companies like Logitech, no innovation, 10 years behind in every peripheral. You made me decide to get the Ultimate, I don't see myself care about macros on a controller or back buttons, I mostly care about it being reliable, long lifespan, xbox style layout and not break the bank.

No rumble no buy

+1 on keyboard & mouse for FPS! I tried Borderlands 2 on a PS3 once - what a disaster (my ability - not the quality of the game). My daughter plays COD on her PS4, but I am truly awful with the thumbsticks on any of the shooters...

@SoundToxin

2 күн бұрын

You can't play shooters well with just the analog sticks (they're neither fast enough nor accurate enough for aiming), but with modern controllers that have gyro you get the speed and accuracy of a mouse in a controller, and with control styles like "flick stick" that repurpose the right stick for fast turns, you can even surpass keyboard + mouse in some ways. Splatoon is the best example of official gyro aim working well. It's still not very popular in games. It doesn't help that Xbox controllers don't have gyro. They're holding everything back. Even on systems with controllers that have gyro, not all the games choose to implement it as an option. Fortnite has both gyro and flick stick and is available on most platforms in case you wanted to try it out. It takes a little getting used to.

so if valve ever sees this coment, where can i buy one of these contorollers and when is steam gonna make a console, i remember when the first steam mashine came out and i loved it

I wish they updated cod or Pubg on the steam deck

Please tell me there is a "Last 30 Seconds" recording option like the switch. It makes me clip waaaayyyyy more

lol no track pads... see no reason to get this over a ps5 controller or an xbox controller :S

Bro, just because you don't use the steam deck touch pads doesn't mean that they never worked right. In minutes I can literally find hundreds of people who play on the steam controller specifically because it is the only real choice if you want to play on trackpads.

Oh. At first I misheard your channel name.

I use gulikit controller

The 60% XBox controller figure may be inflated by DS4Windows and/or DSX usage, basically "hiding" the PS4/5 controllers as XBox controllers where Steam is concerned. It's not an issue on Linux, but under Windows it works considerably better that way.

@SoundToxin

2 күн бұрын

Third party controllers very commonly show up as Xbox 360 controllers in their XInput mode, as does any arcade controller using GP2040-CE or HayBox firmware. So yeah, I wouldn't trust any stats on this stuff.

@nikongmer

2 күн бұрын

Aren't ps4/5 controllers compatible with Steam without having to use ds4, etc.

no way!,

Is steam deck was made in usa or china because why the controller with Chinese text

@lexcelius6921

2 күн бұрын

Probably Taiwan Actually

Cool, but I can just use my PS5 controller on my Steam Deck. So this is superfluous.

8:03 they never said that 26% use a dualsense, they said playstation controllers.

@DeckReady

3 күн бұрын

Ok

@ethanschenk7147

3 күн бұрын

What is the point of your comment? Lmao

@vargsieber

3 күн бұрын

@@ethanschenk7147 it makes a huge difference since dual shock 4 controllers (and maybe some 3rd party PS Controllers, but im not sure about that) are also included in those 26%.

@ethanschenk7147

2 күн бұрын

@@vargsieber it’s literally is a none issue. It does not affect you in anyway. You got caught up on something that literally doesn’t matter.

It’s not a steam controller unless it has touchpads

Btw why would you need controller to play on controller 😂

@MinillaEnjoyer

3 күн бұрын

For docked steam decks, it’s a bit awkward to have your steam deck docked, using the controllers while staring at your monitor or tv,

Yo i swooooooore he called the show Deck Riding for a whole minute and was lmao

It is a meh they used the xbox layout for an steam controller 😓

@smidlee7747

Күн бұрын

This makes a lot of sense in the Japanese market which this controller is aimed at. The most used controller on PC is the Xbox controller while Xbox never sold well in Japan so most will not have a Xbox controller.

Hi

the steam controller kinda looks weird.

I already have the OG Steam controller, Stadia controller and Xbox Series controller while I have no time to play games these days. But I still want the new Steam controller for some reason.

I wish it was inline joysticks, but having the touch sensors on the joysticks for Gyro totally sells me on this, will be a day one pick up

That awkward off-kilter thumb sticks is so bad. D-Pad top is the only way to go, this is a bad version of xbox

What is the best, lowest latency, wireless controller, the Xbox controller over BT sucks.

This doesn't look like a real product and if it was I would def buy the old steam controller over this in a heartbeat or a PS5 controller

Lol I was reading the article right before I saw this video

I like the PS5 controller much more than the XBOX ones. I don't care about any rumble though, I care more about how it feels in my hands.

Hori makes generic crap controllers 😂

I can't stand the xbox layout, im a Playstation layout guy. I use the 8bitdo pro 2 and its been great for me.

How do u know it’s gonna be “awesome” gyro controls . What makes u know the quality of this Japanese stuff 😂. And agree my dual sense edge is the best controller I’ve ever had in my life. And 100% facts the best controller ever made besides battery life but that’s not a biggie I like having it plugged in

@DeckReady

3 күн бұрын

What a leap

Meh... this controller has to much going on...

The Hori app is so bad, that is a real shame. Steam sees a lot of D input controllers as PS3-4 and Switch Pro controllers I wouldn't trust those numbers much.

I'll save everyone 15min there's a clip recording on steam deck

Hori is very HORRIble. Cheap plastic toy

Hori is trash!!! The equivalent of MadCats

@Talon97

2 күн бұрын

Started off strong but ended weak. Mad Cats made some of the BEST controllers and fight sticks during the PS3/360 era.

Steam deck sucks if you don't hack it. The people that are hacking steam deck 😳 just make the next update worse so haha 😄 you sold a fixed broken item. Meaning ur begging for money 😈

i like hori but i prefer dualsense or xbox controllers with my steamdeck