It still tugs at my heart that Patty passed on.

I want to go into a time machine to 1967 when this movie came out so i can go to the theaters just to watch this over and over and over again

@kuklafranandollie

4 күн бұрын

But you could never see this in a theater - only here.

I wish I could go back to 1967. I was 16 and no worries about being 70.

@Patcall7777

2 жыл бұрын

I was 14 when I saw it, 68 now. It was a much happier time in my life than now. Where’s my time machine?

I love pattys raw voice. It’s unique

This is great. The alternate universe version that would have been interesting with Liza Minnelli in the role. She could sing and act......plus if Judy had stayed in the film, that would have been fascinating. Of course, the Patty Duke character is said to be based on Judy, so lots of layers.

@Carolina22Blue

4 жыл бұрын

No the Helen Lawson character was

@mrrossification

3 жыл бұрын

@@Carolina22Blue The Helen Lawson character as based on Ethel Merman . It was Betty Hutton who was fired from a Merman show like Neely ,became a Hollywood star and developed a drinking problem . Still Neely is most oten compared to Garland.

@constancegomez351

10 ай бұрын

You are right! Liza! It would have been a different movie!!

The voice that dubbed Patty is lovely, but I like the authenticity of Patty's voice. Sometimes the real voice is also very pleasing because the actor/actress "acts" the song better than the dubber. Thank's for the video.

I prefer Patty’s voice to this song over the dubbed version. It sounds more authentic and has personality.

Dukes actual singing voice plays for a friendlier scene. I actually prefer it to the dubbed version, which darkened the tone and made it sound lounge act sleazy.

@Carolina22Blue

4 жыл бұрын

Karen Kelly No, Judy Garland was supposed to play Helen Lawson, but when she found out they based the character off of her to say she was a washed-up has-been, she became reckless, and they fired her.

@lostvocals8

2 жыл бұрын

@@Carolina22Blue It's not about who played who. It's the fact that the character of Neely was based on Judy Garland - so Neely is supposed to be an exceptionally good singer. Patty clearly was not.

@joselocalau123

9 ай бұрын

@@Carolina22Blue that's completely untrue. she knew they based the character off of her when she accepted the role, but the director treated her like garbage and she was already dealing with a lot of issues like substance abuse and anxiety which didn't help

@akrenwinkle

9 ай бұрын

@@joselocalau123 No real witness ever came forward that Mark Robson mistreated Judy. All we supposedly know about Judy's short tenure on the Valley set is what Patty was told by Judy, not a reliable source of information. According to Liza, Judy hadn't read the book, so she didn't know Helen Lawson was a bitch. Judy could not or would not play Helen as written. A nice Helen Lawson would have made no sense. After a few tries, Robson had to give up and replace her.

Thank you!!!

Patty Duke is my favorite! :)😊

They should have used Patty's voice...this certainly would have added to the camp value of this movie.

@marilyndougherty3486

3 жыл бұрын

That's Patty singing.

@aqueelahmuhammad3493

Жыл бұрын

They know that. They're saying that Patty's voice should have been used in the film, which it wasn't. It was dubbed.

I’ll admit I haven’t seen the movie but I liked this. She had spunk and originality and punch. I prefer a singer whose voice is unique. Perfection is boring.

@claraclown8036

Ай бұрын

Exactly my thoughts!

Patty knew and admitted that as much as she wanted to sing, she just couldn't get the technique. She tried so hard and had all of the desire, but she was a better actress than a singer. It made the washed up bar scenes and her pill addiction scenes all the more believable. Substance abuse is a death sentence for the voice, especially when combined with cigarettes and vomiting.

It's a good remediation! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

The girl who job for her sounded exactly like her

@matthewarroyo3118

3 жыл бұрын

Gail Heideman dubbed her

She sounds so much better when she is literally singing this song. Much better than the dubbing from the movie

@Tomovox_PAMS_Radio_JIngles

2 жыл бұрын

Weird. I actually LIKE Patty's voice MUCH better here. It's more authentic, and Patty does an incredible job keeping time with the changing tempos. I didn't expect that I'd have this reaction, but I honestly wish they would have kept Patty's singing in the film. The dubbed version, to me, sounded like any other singer with a good voice, a bit on the generic side.

@jefflrfe

2 жыл бұрын

@@Tomovox_PAMS_Radio_JIngles Generic perhaps, but at least on pitch! 😄

@Tomovox_PAMS_Radio_JIngles

2 жыл бұрын

@@jefflrfe lol! maybe that's what's so boring to me about it! perfection is dull :)

@josephhernandez1885

Жыл бұрын

​@@Tomovox_PAMS_Radio_JIngles in her autobiography she mentioned that when she heard they dubbed her voice she was furious.

Great to hear Patty's real voice on this but Gaille Heideman was the right choice to dub.

There is nothing wrong with her voice. She did not have to be dubbed over in the movie

@chunellemariavictoriaespan8752

9 ай бұрын

But for the film it doesn't translate that wow factor... SHE IS GOOD but sadly not that "I capture your soul" good... Patty Duke's voice is, "Hear my sweetness and innocence" good which isn't normally sold off at their circles...

I love Patty Duke, but thank goodness she was dubbed!

@dennishalford5763

Жыл бұрын

A few million people agree with you on this!

@StephenYuan

7 ай бұрын

The dub isn't really better

@joejoe9435

5 ай бұрын

well she was a fantasic actress anyway

@robertgold3868

5 ай бұрын

Very true! @@joejoe9435

Amazing that it wasn't Patty's voice, so much of her inflections

@chunellemariavictoriaespan8752

9 ай бұрын

It's her real voice... But the movie version is dubbed...

😊

I admire Patty Duke (although I don't admire her performance as Neely), but she certainly wasn't the singer Neely was (at least in the book). The dubbed version isn't much better; but, as Jacqueline Susann herself said, "this movie is a piece of shit." Indeed.

@lbputzer

2 жыл бұрын

Personally, I always thought Susann was in no position to look down on the film, as her original novel was trash to begin with. As the film aged, at least Patty Duke & Barbara Parkins were able to acknowledge & appreciate being part of such an unintentionally bad film, and were able to laugh at their own work. To her dying day, Susann likely thought her book was literature, which is more embarrassing than the camp film itself.

@josephhernandez1885

Жыл бұрын

In her book, she said that she never liked her singing voice that much. But the minute she heard her singing voice was dubbed with someone's voice she was furious.

@JohnnyGNV

Жыл бұрын

@@josephhernandez1885 You know everyone, some of this just isn't true. Patty said in her book that she "knew she couldn't sing it like a Professional singer but that she felt the deterioration was important to show". She said in her book that it "was decided that her singing voice would be dubbed" and that "she was fine with it". However, she has also stated in later years that she was angry that they insisted on dubbing her. So, keep in mind that in those days 'dubbing' was hush-hush - and Patty had records out previous to this movie that did pretty well with the Teen crowd. She could 'carry a tune' but no, her own voice would not be believable for the Neely O'Hara character.

Gertrude Lawrence only managed to hold her warbly voice on pitch about fifty percent of the time - if that. And Fanny Brice was not known for anything approaching bel canto (Ironic then that the two ladies whose pitch is so perfect that they can use portamento as artistic effect - Streisand and Andrews - ended up playing them in contemporary biopics) - this did not keep them from being massive stars in their generation - so it's not out of the question that Neely COULD become a huge hit with inconsistent timbre and pitch, were she to have that certain 'je ne sais quoi' that makes a star a star (and if it were, say, 1946, not 1967). Whether or not Duke had that (I love her performance in the film precisely because she is so 'off' precisely because her formidable abilities wer given no 'off' switch) - is open for debate, but one can at least consider that using her own voice for this scene wouldn't have been out of the question.

She not bad. Patty Duke was a fine actress but whoever decided to cast her in this part should have been laughed out of the industry.

Uh, that was painful.

So close, but Gaille was great

The studio desperately wanted Barbra Streisand for the part..,,but she couldn’t do it because she was pregnant & scheduling. Boy, Barbra dodged a bullet !

@Carolina22Blue

4 жыл бұрын

Wow Barbara would’ve been good too in this role

@jackanthony976

3 жыл бұрын

You are right. This film would have killed Barbra's film career. This film killed Patty's motion picture career and with few exceptions she was hereafter relegated to lower budget TV films. It also killed Barbara Parkins's chance at a motion picture career. After Valley of the Dolls Parkins was relegated back to low budget TV films and roles. And what about Susan Hayward? After Valley of the Dolls Susan was relegated to a few forgettable films which few people remember.

@lbputzer

2 жыл бұрын

Streisand would never consider taking this part. By the time Susann's book was released (let alone the casting of the film at an even later date), Barbra had already starred solo in two primetime TV specials, made a splash as the star of "Funny Girl" on Broadway, released multiple hit albums, and had already committed to star in the film version of FG. VOTD was pretty much an ensemble cast, with Neely sharing the story with Anne, Jennifer, and Helen. Streisand's ego (particularly at that time) would never permit sharing the spotlight with other leading roles. It wasn't until well into the 2000s ("Meet the Fockers") that she finally deigned to take an ensemble part.

I like patty duke and her performance in the film, but her voice is too raspy for singing. It’s interesting how she has those youthful looks but her voice doesn’t match. All love ❤️

@BetterWithBob

9 ай бұрын

She apparently worked hard to lower her voice for the film to seem older

She sings like she talks. Lol

Was she actually singing??

@lostvocals8

10 ай бұрын

Did you read the note with the clip?

Patty Duke Sings the hits from The Valley of The Dolls is one of the campiest albums ever. A laugh riot, especially with Gene Kelly’s glowing liner notes. Duke was a talented actress but she could not sing….at all.

Frankly I like her actual voice better... But yeah, sadly for others they want maturity and larger than life on stage so it sucks it ain't a fit for the film...

Judy was playing a part based on Ethel Merman. Patti was playing a part based on Judy Garland. Judy was fired because she wasn’t emotionally able to perform in front of the campus, sadly. Judy had read the book before she signed on to do the movie she knew exactly what she was signing up for. Patti’s voice, Is so untrained and she is so clearly not a singer that for her to use this version in a movie portraying a singer who rockets overnight to success because of her great voice, would be ridiculous beyond anything. For heaven sake’s she is presented with a special Grammy because of how fantastic her voice is and this is only a year or two after she made her initial success the Neely character had to have a fantastic singing voice. As it is the dubbed voice wasn’t good enough either but it was certainly better than this awful stuff that Patti dude was doing. I love the movie and I love Patti but she cannot sing and her albums were a joke.

@lostvocals8

2 жыл бұрын

According to Patty, Just was kept waiting the entire day and by the time she got to the set she was a mess. It was the director's fault.

@preetakumar6593

2 жыл бұрын

Dubbing is a thing.

@jefflrfe

2 жыл бұрын

@@lostvocals8 She (Patty) called director Mark Robson “the meanest son of a bitch I ever met in my life.” His behavior toward Garland on set was her undoing.

Yikes

Canta mal. Mejor doblada.

the director ruined this entire film, they passed on this voice??? All she needed was proper arrangements. What a waste. Losing Garland, to the director's ignorance, didn't help. She likely had words to say about the blaring musical messes.

@lostvocals8

4 ай бұрын

The arrangement isn't the problem. Patty's character was based on Judy Garland, and was supposed to be a great singer - which Patty clearly is not.

@virtualworlddisorderrealit1848

4 ай бұрын

HELEN LAWSON'S CHARACTER WAS BASED ON JUDY GARLAND, NOT NEELY O'HARA'S and DUKE is better than the voice over @@lostvocals8 you missed the point. Garfield is no musical genius either, yet they "turned" him into the musical sensation of the century, for a single film... give me a break. No one can sing like Garland did. She likely got fired for making a stink about the trashy songs, not for being "difficult".

Valley of the Dolls... trash. Patti Duke still trying to get the stench of TV acting out of her system and does not succeed. I keep expecting to hear the theme song to the Patti Duke Show every time Patti makes an appearance in Valley. Patti pulled out every acting trick she used on her TV show, much to the dismay of the director, Mark Robson. And poor Barbara Parkins, another TV star trying to crossover to movie stardom doesn't quite make the grade as she succumbs to all the acting tricks she used in Peyton Place as well. Movie acting requires subtle characterization, not overt TV acting. And don't get me started on Susan Hayward. She must have needed the money badly to accept such a role. Susan does not sing but she attempted to lip sync with the gestures of an out of work drag queen. Thank god someone had the sense not to make Susan lip sync to Judy Garland's recording of I'll Plant My Own Tree. Garland as everyone knows was fired from Valley. Judy would have been great in the part, more believable, but she could not draw out the bitch quality required for the part, at least according to Marc Robson. No wonder Jackie Suzanne walked out in the middle of the first premier screening of the film.

Campy, campy ..