Vaccination or natural immunity

COVID-19 vaccine mandates should not discriminate against natural immunity, The unnaturalistic fallacy
jme.bmj.com/content/48/6/371
COVID-19 vaccine requirements, debate,
policies should have recognised proof of natural immunity,
sufficient basis for exemption to vaccination requirements.
Arguments
Two implausible claims about natural immunity:
Natural immunity is superior to ‘artificial’ immunity
It is better to acquire immunity through natural infection
Naturalistic fallacy (many things are natural, but not good)
(A natural public health strategy, increased overall morbidity and mortality)
We lack clear and convincing scientific evidence that vaccine-induced immunity has a significantly higher protective effect than natural immunity.
Vaccine requirements represent a substantial infringement of individual liberty, and other significant costs
Can only be justified if they are necessary for achieving a proportionate public health benefit.
Without compelling evidence for the superiority of vaccine-induced immunity, it cannot be deemed necessary to require vaccination for those with natural immunity.
‘vaccine passports’ ‘health passes’
Rationale for vaccine mandates
Preventing healthcare systems becoming overwhelmed, (staff and patients)
Reducing community viral transmission
Acquired immunity naturally, potentially equivalent to vaccination immunity
This is the unnaturalistic fallacy as opposed to the naturalistic fallacy
Natural immunity and vaccine-induced immunity, evidence
Equivalency of Protection From Natural Immunity in COVID-19 Recovered Versus Fully Vaccinated Persons: A Systematic Review and Pooled Analysis
www.cureus.com/articles/72074-e
All of the included studies found at least statistical equivalence between the protection of full vaccination and natural immunity;
and, three studies found superiority of natural immunity.
NNT to prevent one annual case of infection in COVID-recovered patients 218
NNT COVID-naïve patients, 6.5
33.5-fold difference in benefit between the two populations
our review demonstrates that natural immunity in COVID-recovered individuals is, at least, equivalent to the protection afforded by complete vaccination of COVID-naïve populations
Vaccinations for recovered people, marginal on an absolute basis.
Omicron in adults aged 65 or over
minimal or no effect against mild disease with the Omicron variant from 20 weeks after the second dose of ChAdOx1-S or BNT162b2
data are beginning to emerge which suggest that the effect of the vaccines on transmission may diminish within a matter of months
Immunological memory to SARS-CoV-2 assessed for up to 8 months after infection
www.science.org/doi/abs/10.11...
Immunological memory is the basis for durable protective immunity after infections or vaccinations.
Substantial immune memory is generated after COVID-19, involving,
memory B cells, antibodies, memory CD4+Tcells, memoryCD8+T cells.
Circulating antibody titers were not predictive of T cell memory.
Do not reflect the richness and durability of immune memory to SARS-CoV-2.
Reinfection Rates Among Patients Who Previously Tested Positive for Coronavirus Disease 2019: A Retrospective Cohort Study
academic.oup.com/cid/article/...
N = 150,325 patients
8,845 (5.9%)
141,480 (94.1%)
Protection against reinfection, 81.8%
Protection against symptomatic reinfection, 84.5%
Risk of SARS-CoV-2 reinfection and COVID-19 hospitalisation in individuals with natural and hybrid immunity: a retrospective, total population cohort study in Sweden
www.sciencedirect.com/science...
Cohort one, 2,039,106
Cohort two, 962,318 one dose
Cohort three, 567,810 two doses
767 individuals with natural immunity needed to be vaccinated to prevent one reinfection
Protection against the Omicron Variant from Previous SARS-CoV-2 Infection
www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056...
Protection from prior infection against severe outcomes from Omicron remained robust, 87.8%
Reinfection often occurs with negligible symptoms and high Ct values, indicating reduced epidemiologic significance
The case for natural immunity exemptions
Vaccine requirements have significant costs
Substantial infringement of individual liberty
There are non-trivial risks associated with vaccination
The Biopharmaceutical Industry Provides 75% Of The FDA's Drug Review Budget. Is This A Problem?
www.forbes.com/sites/johnlama...

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  • @tbone1212
    @tbone1212 Жыл бұрын

    As a nurse I was working with Covid patients when it all started, no vaccines very little ppe that we could get , I have never had or got Covid. I have always felt it was natural immunity and said so only to get kicked off of Twitter and other social media. BTW I am 69 and retired last August only because the hospital I was working for mandated the vaccine…

  • @seekererebus255
    @seekererebus255 Жыл бұрын

    That I can go get a vaccine booster pretty much off the street without even verifying vaccination status, but antibody testing is still limited, is absurd.

  • @IostsouI
    @IostsouI Жыл бұрын

    Speechless that the pharmaceutical companies pay 75% of the FDA's drug review budget. It's like restaurant owners as a group paying 75% of the inspectors agencies running costs.

  • @mariag3605
    @mariag3605 Жыл бұрын

    Thank you for all your great work, Dr John. I'm not a scientist but my gut told me I didn't need the jab. I lost my job, lost friends, was shunned by some family members, vilified by the awful WEF puppet Jabswindla AWdern (segregated, not allowed into public venues and made into a second class citizen) and the compliant public (got shouted at, that I was 'unclean', by a work colleague) because of my medical decision (this right is guaranteed by the NZ Bill of Rights 1990). Even though the vax mandate has been lifted for my type of work, because our vile PM told businesses they have the option to maintain them (how is that even legal?) I am still unemployed. I have lost all financial security/a financially secure future, I feel quite depressed about all this, and like a stranger in my country of birth, but I still have my full health and for that I am so extremely grateful😁. I got covid 2 months ago and didn't even know I had it until I lost my taste (not bad for a 55 yr old with an autoimmune disorder)... All my 3x vaxxed contemporaries got much sicker. The West is going into a massive recession and guess what, its not Putin's fault... Recessions are what happen after you've been printing money for 2.5 years, locking down businesses/people and let the greedy WEF corpora-technocrats own/run your government's...

  • @dagneytaggart7707
    @dagneytaggart7707 Жыл бұрын

    No. It hasn't been a debate because one side was systematically shut down.

  • @karenhegarty7244
    @karenhegarty7244 Жыл бұрын

    Natural immunity is a no - brainer. Nature and the body are miracles in action. But big corporations don't make money out of natural immunity

  • @tubasmitty2
    @tubasmitty2 Жыл бұрын

    In 2020, I was fact-checked, vehemently attacked, and ostracized, even by family, for pointing out that the vaccines would not grant long-term immunity because your immune system was not given anything to learn and adapt to, called crazy, anti-science, etc. I have lost so much because I would not fold to outside pressure when the information given did not make any sense, and it has been quite the eye-opening time in my life to see not just the populous at large, but people who are well-educated, personal people in my life, forego critical thought and rationale in the face of fear and propaganda.

  • @firstlight5797
    @firstlight5797 Жыл бұрын

    As a healthcare worker in new York State I was under the state and the federal mandate and was fired for not taking the vaccine. I got Covid in the last week of Dec 2020 and was Ill for 4 weeks. I did not fully recoverer until week 5. My job offered the vaccine in the first week of January 2021 while I was sick. As of June 2022 many vaccinated staff members have gotten Covid, some had a bad case, and some had it twice. I have never gotten reinfected. I am always mingling with people and have been around someone with Covid. I have not even had a cold in the last 15 months. The one size fits all approach was bad policy especially since the mandates only came after Pfizer got it's FDA licence. I wondered why there was no talk about B cells and T cells in the begining and also if antibodies are used to prove that the vaccine is effective then why are they not being used to prove that natural immunity is effective?

  • @bexp748
    @bexp748 Жыл бұрын

    People seem to forget you can grow and change your opinions from what you learn. I love the fact you grow with the changes and that you're not stuck on one narrative. Thanks for being you.

  • @haggaisimon7748
    @haggaisimon7748 Жыл бұрын

    Dr. Campbell, you're not just an accountant. You are a person with common sense. The one that we need now.

  • @rabs1440
    @rabs1440 Жыл бұрын

    My husband was double vaccined. I never got vaccined. We both got covid with omicron in Jan 2022 at same time. He was showing positive for 10 days. I was positive for 3 days. I had 1 day of feverish symptoms. He had 10 days of mild or minor symptoms. I still prefer natural immunity. I believe as a healthy individual I should be able to make the choice. And so glad I did.

  • @browningcm
    @browningcm Жыл бұрын

    "We need to treat things on an individual basis, not a one size fits all"

  • @janetkelly7114
    @janetkelly7114 Жыл бұрын

    A friend had her 4th booster and 3 weeks later got Covid. When I suggested that the vaccines didn’t seem to have any effect her answer was the same as many others, namely that they would have been much worse if they hadn’t been vaccinated. Difficult to argue with so we need some data on people reinfected after 1,2,3,or 4 vaccinations and reinfections after no vaccinations. Can’t see the drug companies paying for that research.

  • @mrradman2986
    @mrradman2986 Жыл бұрын

    There is no scientific reason to discriminate against unvaccinated people who have recovered from Covid vs those who have been vaccinated in terms of travel restrictions.

  • @julieshaw1452
    @julieshaw1452 Жыл бұрын

    Dr. Campbell, thank you for modeling good science. We homeschool our children and one of the things we taught them in elementary school is the definition of good science. “Good science is the constant search for accurate information.”

  • @CrankyBeach
    @CrankyBeach Жыл бұрын

    Some years ago a friend of mine was in a clinical trial to test the efficacy of high doses of a very expensive (still under patent) drug on a particular condition that was difficult to treat otherwise. It worked marvelously well for her. Unfortunately the trial was declared a failure because the insurance companies saw the results and said no way are we going to pay thousands of dollars a month for patients to take this drug, we don't CARE that it actually works.

  • @angelaquesnel7546
    @angelaquesnel7546 Жыл бұрын

    Not only are they not acknowledging it, they are not collecting the data to prove or disprove it either, which is absolutely insulting and infuriating.

  • @FiggaFrank
    @FiggaFrank Жыл бұрын

    To many side effects from vaccinations the makers are not held accountable for. Accountability is the key.

  • @johnholmes2502
    @johnholmes2502 Жыл бұрын

    I had the original bad in April of 2020. No vaccine for me due to the knowledge I've gained regarding natural immunity. During blood work for an annual physical last March, my doc said let's test for anti-bodies of which I gladly accepted. Three days later I received a call stated that I still had a large amount of natural anti-bodies in my system❤

  • @orgorg7revisited
    @orgorg7revisited Жыл бұрын

    Thank you John for your continued postings on Covid-19, and other health concerns for us. Your time is very much appreciated Sir.