Very helpful. Thanks a ton for making and posting this video. It goes a long way for every single user to find the best way forward with HLG. Best Wishes.

@JDW-

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your kind words, Sandeep! I'm pleased to hear it helped you out. Best wishes!

Bang on with the info. Loved it.

Such a great video. Made it easy to understand even for intermediate / beginner videographer. Thank you!

@JDW-

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your kind comments, Colby!

I made the same "discovery" on my own today but i'm using a Sony A7III. Using FCPX really changes the EV of the clip , mine was underexposing it by 1-2 stops when applying the lut as a standalone lut instead of using as the Camera LUT in the settings. Doing that way, i can expose at 0.0 (I don't ETTR) and use a lower ISO and still get a good DR even though it's only a 8bit camera. Thanks a lot for the video, it does solve the underexpose problem i was having.

@JDW-

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing your experience, Bruno. I hope it can be of help to other Sony users as well. Best wishes!

Thanks, just what I was looking for my Fuji x-t3 hlg footage!

Thanks for posting this video.Very helpful !

@JDW-

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for letting me know it helped you, Pierre!

Thanks for making this. Super helpful!

@JDW-

5 жыл бұрын

I'm pleased it helped, Sean. Thank you!

Simple and clear! 🔥

@Eurokiwiboy

Жыл бұрын

I am still struggling switching the REC. 2020 HLG from iPhone 14 Pro Max with the REC. 709 colour space. 🤦🏽‍♂️

Thank you - that’s a 110% Pro Tip and actually a main topic in using lumix S1 or S1H ! 👍👍👍

@JDW-

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching and for your very kind words, Martin!

Thanks! Handy summary!

bravo. thank for a great explanation of an often confused subject.

@JDW-

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching and for your kind words, Kurt!

THANKS! You made my day!

Thank you for this! I was using the Color Space Override method, and I noticed my computer was working super hard to transcode multiple files (I shoot 4k 24fps) - I'm gonna try the LUT method, but did you notice any cpu strain with this?

@JDW-

5 жыл бұрын

I didn't notice any CPU difference between using Color Space Override or the Camera LUT. But what I can say is that when you also add a second LUT via Custom LUT, then there is a small but noticeably performance hit. How much of a hit depends on the Mac you are using. I use a late 2015 5K iMac top end model with 1TB internal SSD, and also a mid-2015 MBP top end model with internal 1TB SSD.

Thank You sooo much! Really helpful video 🙂

this was really helpful, thank you

@assortedmountainlife

3 жыл бұрын

@@blakejasiah4070 this seems... fake? off topic? lol bots

Youpeee so usable thanx !!

I thank you for this video. I remember watching it before, but now, your workflow makes a lot of sense. I think I tripped over every obstacle and been in every rabbit hole. My results are much better as I had a very grey cast in my footage, but after exposing around 80% using the waveform and no zebras at 95% at least I'm getting consistent footage as proper exposure is very important. Question: Do you use HLG while shooting dark scenes as well? The footage is usually underexposed and I been pretty good at getting decent footage using the standard profile.

@JDW-

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, you can use HLG in dark scenes. In fact, HLG is better than vLog when shooting darker scenes because you'll get more noise using vLog. Here's my other video which compares HLG to CineD, where I pull more info out of the shadows while retaining detail in the highlights: kzread.info/dash/bejne/fmqEzMqwoMLQprA.html

thanks for the video! helped a lot.....

Great video! thanks!

@JDW-

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your kind words, Gonzalo!

Thanks for this, good to see the workflow. My take away is that it'll be a tricky workflow in post- by ETTR the skin tones will differ wildly from scene to scene depending on what other highlights there were, and the conversion LUTs leave you with more steps to do to correct exposure and saturation so it'll surely be inconsistent. I learnt more from this than the Leeming website which describes the LUTs as a one step solution!

@JDW-

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching and for your feedback. In my own experience using that workflow, I've not seen skin tones vary "wildly" but they do change slightly when white balance isn't set just right. If you want to see some of my 4k HLG 10-bit footage, edited in FCPX using the same HLG Leeming LUT v5.02 and workflow, just click on my "JDW" KZread name above to open my KZread channel and have a look at some of my recent videos on the Macintosh SE/30. Lighting was all fluorescent room lighting, aided by white reflectors, and I white balanced the GH5 using a white card and then eyedroppered that card in FCPX, just to be sure. I added some saturation in some scenes, and I added a very subtle S-curve to add contrast when needed. Sometimes I boosted the highlights. But I don't consider that "heavy grading."

@ShotByMyles

5 жыл бұрын

JDW i absolutely might have exaggerated :) I was just a bit surprised you had to do so much to bring the exposure back, and doing so you must be affecting the contrast from shot to shot ... Even if you’re ok with that, it’s a bit disappointing that after buying a LUT to work with the image is unusable after applying it until you make further corrections. You wouldn’t have the same issues on any other profile I don’t think. I checked out your video and it certainly looks good, but I think if you’d shot in Standard mode it would’ve looked just as good and without a LOT of the effort. Probably indistinguishable to your viewers. I’ve been working for a video production firm recently and they shoot everything in Standard to keep it fast in post, which was new to me but is starting to make a lot more sense especially when I saw how good it looked.

@JDW-

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your reply. I've actually shot in almost all the GH5 profiles. See my other video below where I compare CineD. The Standard Profile is "decent" but certainly inferior to even CineD when it comes to Dynamic Range. HLG gives you the same dynamic range as vLog, which is the max of what the GH5 can deliver. Again, you can see just how much more dynamic range that HLG gives you versus CineD in my video below here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/fmqEzMqwoMLQprA.html

Well done! Could you please recommend an HDR monitor for grading?

@JDW-

4 жыл бұрын

For HDR, nothing beats Apple’s XDR display for the price, but pricey it is: www.apple.com/pro-display-xdr/

Great tutorial, just starting to get into video and video editing and shooting in HLG-2 and actually just bought the Leeming Luts combo which I really like as a base correction Lut. While I was watching the video I noticed that in the Video Inspector Tab that you have a section that has Custom Lut, and was wondering how did you do that. I did download the Quickes,which I have tried but when I add it in the Info Inspector it overrides the base Lut for the HLG. I will probably watch a couple of more times to fully understand, thanks.

@JDW-

3 жыл бұрын

You must add the Leeming LUT as a "Camera LUT" and then add the quickies (if needed) as individual "Custom LUTs." You can only have 1 "Camera LUT" but you can add multiple "Custom LUTs."

@davidfukuda1492

3 жыл бұрын

@@JDW- Thank you very much for the explanation and helping me out.

Colorspace is a difficult topic in general, I'm no expert but at my work we work with different colorspaces from different camera's. I think you've explained it right. As additional info (if im right): if we take 4:40 --> your project setting (working colorspace) is Rec709, this colorspace is much smaller than Rec2020. Your footage is Rec2020 --> if you would put this on a Rec709 timeline, the superbrights (above 100) would be clipped to 100 and this will result in losing all the details in the superbrights. The override will, as it's saying, will convert the minimum and maximum values of Rec2020 to Rec709 values in-between 0 and 100 (scale down all pixel values simultaneously). That's why you will see details in the blown-out part and your overall image gets darker. At 4:43 you can see that your main RGB colors have equal heights values as before (50 instead of 100) and your superbrights are under 100. The camera Lut is the how the raw/log-file should be interpreted the right way. If the video is shot on an ARRI camera, it should be put on ARRI log. This will translate the log-video's RGB (not contrasty looking video) the right way. If you put Panasonic, it would convert the RGB the wrong way in this case. I think your video is shot on a Panasonic? And at 12:30 the Override doesn't change anything, because the Camera Lut already converts the Rec2020 to Rec709 (as it says).

@JDW-

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, that is a correct analysis of what my video presents. And yes, I use a Panasonic GH5 to shoot in 4K 10-bit HLG (Rec.2020) at 30fps. (10-bit HLG at 60fps is available only when using an external recorder.) Proper conversion of Rec.2020 when using my GH5 can be done either with a dedicated Camera LUT like the Leeming HLG LUT for Panasonic (Leeming has LUTs for other cameras too), or using the Color Space Override setting of FCPX set to Rec.2020. Multiple LUTs can be used in FCPX, but only one LUT would be used to convert colorspace. So for example, you could have the Leeming LUT to convert Rec.2020 to Rec.709 and then add yet another LUT as a "Custom LUT" to give the footage a particular "look." There can be multiple "Custom LUTs" in FCPX, but only 1 "Camera LUT."

Thks for this video

@JDW-

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching, Benoit! Happy it could help!

if i record in hlg with sony a7r3 but i also have clips recorded with gopro8 can i always use the color space in fcpx 2020 or can i not use gopro clips with sony clip in hlg working in fcpx color space 2020?

@JDW-

4 жыл бұрын

Your timeline will be Rec.709 in FCPX if you follow my video. I have not tested the HLG footage from the SONY. I have only tested the HLG 10-bit footage of the GH5. But SONY should be the same. Import your SONY HLG footage and then either use a LUT to convert to your Rec.709 timeline or use FCPX's "Color Space Override" popup menu (in the right sidebar) and choose "Rec.2020" to convert. Your GOPRO footage should already be Rec.709 so you just drop that on the same Rec.709 timeline without any conversion. After that you just grade as you like.

I changed the colorspace override to Rec. 2020 and it looks pretty natural to me. Almost like it was shot from the camera. So I think that's a good option for people who don't want to use a LUT

@JDW-

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed. I use it all the time now. It does seem to intensify the Reds a little bit, so I need to do color corrections on my skin to desaturates the Reds a bit, but other than that it works great for me.

wouldn't hdr tools be a much quicket way to convert the bt2020 to 709?

@JDW-

4 жыл бұрын

Quicker? No. Do this. Use Color Space Override set to Rec.2020 on your HLG footage. Then put a duplicate of that clip on the timeline and use HDR Tools set to "HDR to Rec.709." You'll notice they look different. To my eyes, the HDR makes the footage much brighter, which may or may not be a good thing. I prefer Color Space Override, but you should use the tool that makes your footage look best on a Rec.709 timeline.

did you make a proxy for your media? when working with HLG, my frame rate drops. Do you have idea on fixing it?

@JDW-

4 жыл бұрын

No, but I get a lot of frame drops. You would need to use proxies or a faster computer or “set range” on portions of your edits in FCPX and then export a 1080p video so you can see it without frame drops.

This was a good explanation. I’ve recently began using HLG and Leeming. What I’m experiencing however is dropped frames when creating my project and applying the Leeming Lut to clips. Is that normal? Sony A7iii 4K at 24FPS.

@JDW-

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your kind comment and question, Adrian. Yes, in FCPX, adding even a single LUT does impact performance. But how much it impacts performance depends on your Mac. For example, I use a late 2015 5K iMac top end model at the office and I don't really have any problem with dropped frames during playback when the Leeming LUT is applied as a Camera LUT. I even have Sharpening and other effects too. But on my mid-2015 15" MBP top end model (with dGPU), I get dropped frames during playback of my 4K HLG footage even without the Leeming LUT or any other LUT applied. So it really depends on your Mac. More to the point, the Leeming LUT doesn't drag down performance more than any other LUT in my experience.

@adrianmack7750

5 жыл бұрын

JDW Sounds good. Thanks.

how do I close that Rec. 709 view? I opened it by accident somehow, and can't get it to go away. Do you know?

@JDW-

3 жыл бұрын

Hello, Valeria. Thank you for your question. CMD-7 toggles the Scopes panel (RGB Parade, etc.). Alternatively, you can click View menu > Show in Viewer > Video Scopes. Please let me know if this helps!

@EpicSelenium34

2 жыл бұрын

@@JDW- I am so glad someone asked this question - and thank you for your answer!

Now you should save all of these effects as a preset/effect to use later

Could you select 2020 in the Color Space Override instead of LUT ?

@JDW-

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, you can. Actually, the Rec.2020 Color Override selection looks better in my experience with Panasonic GH5 10-bit HLG footage than the Rec.709 Color Override. The Rec.709 Color Override tends to result in more desaturated colors, especially in the skin tones. Also, if you use the Leeming HLG LUT as your "Camera LUT" you would not need any Color Override because the LUT in that case would override the Color Override. Furthermore, when I compare the Leeming LUT (version 5.02) to the Rec.2020 override, it seems the skin tones are comparatively a bit more yellow using the Rec.2020 override (and no LUT). Luma levels for the Leeming HLG LUT version 5.02 are the same as using Color Override Rec.709 or Rec.2020. But the newest version Leeming HLG LUT (version 9) uses a much darker luma curve, so it's harder to make direct comparisons with the Color Override choices. If you buy the Leeming HLG LUT, you can request v5.02 at no extra charge. Lastly, the Driftwood LUT found in the text description above is close to the look of the Rec.2020 Color Override in terms of skin tones, but there's a very subtle difference in other colors. All said, if you are not a color perfectionist the Rec.2020 Color Override (with no LUT) may suit your Rec.2020 footage well.

@NoraphonKaedklung

5 жыл бұрын

@@JDW- Thank you.

@paulanderegg5536

5 жыл бұрын

@@NoraphonKaedklung Yeah, selecting color space override 2020 is the built in way to properly convert HLG2020 to normal gamma 2020 or REC709. The override when used with HLG 2020 basically pulls the 2020 color out of the clip, and uses the timeline 709 gamma. The color space override isn't an overide of the timeline, it is selecable per clip. If you were to drop HLG 2020 clips onto a PQ timeline, you could also select HLG 2020 overide and spit out an HDR10 conversion. When you set override to OFF, you will see the same image as if you select HLG 2020, because you are selcting your CLIP colorspace.

@jonnystollfilms9689

4 жыл бұрын

Totally. I use the Rec.2020 colorspace override for my Sony HLG footage and it works awesome, not to mention you can correct all your footage waaaay faster. I just made a video about it because I feel like very few people are talking about it, but so many of the new HLG picture profiles are so good to shoot with.

Hi, I know this might not be the best place to ask but I am having trouble with my BT.2020 (9-1-9) clips taken from my phone (Galaxy S9). They are 2160 × 3840, BT.2020 (9-1-9), 60 fps clips (I admit I have tweaked their settings internally but I've made sure that they can still be accessed, viewed, and edited by other devices) and when I open it through FC it's just a pitch black screen with audio. Even when I open the clips individually through Quicktime player nothing is showing up apart from a black screen and audio. I'm on a Mojave 10.14.6 Macbook Pro. Also important to add is that there is no thumbnail or pre-display of the videos in FC. And I have attempted to tweak the settings and such to try to display anything with colour, yet nothing seems to work. I figure this may be the colour profile that my laptop is somehow not able to display but if so I'm unsure how to fix the problem. Searching online also hasn't given me much help, and reading the wikis doesn't teach me how to display it properly. Please help me, even if just a little, to understand / fix it. I know this has nothing to do with HLG but I need to edit the videos asap as I won't have a lot of time the next few months. :( Though it's alright if you don't have an answer, I figure I'm going to have to visit some Apple technician or something this week...

@JDW-

5 жыл бұрын

I don’t know anything about Samsung smartphones. But it sounds to me like it’s using a codec that macOS cannot understand, which means you would need to transcode into a codec that macOS can understand. Try opening it in the Mac app VLC.

@hollanderson

5 жыл бұрын

@@JDW- I've tried your suggestion and there is good news and bad news. So some videos show up in VLC while some don't. Even when they have the exact same formatting. So... I'm confused. Haha...

@hollanderson

5 жыл бұрын

@@JDW- Update in case you're curious: The issue you've mentioned as well as the high resolution was the issue. As a test I uploaded the blackened files to KZread and google drive, and my laptop could play the video on KZread fine, but at 1 fps. (And couldn't be played on google drive at all, it's stuck in the loading stage.) It ended up as a 2160p60fps video. When I re-download them the problem still persists, but less, around 4 fps. So yeah... turns out the laptop can't actually handle the files even if I convert them to a format that I can view them in... so... thanks anyway. xd I'll go cry in a corner now. :,)

@JDW-

5 жыл бұрын

I still think that transcoding to a different codec is perhaps a solution for you. Try EditReady since it has a free trial: www.divergentmedia.com/editready

@hollanderson

4 жыл бұрын

@@JDW- Second update: so I've finally found the fix on kzread.info/dash/bejne/X5WdksqjfLOsk6w.html apparently it's been an issue (internal formatting error of S9 devices when imported to Macs) for a long time, and for some devices it displays oversaturated or black screens. A way to fix it would be to use the external extension Homebrew + ffmpeg and re-encode each file with an error - one by one. (of course I automated it, there were like 500 videos) A really weird bug to exist but who knows what's up with that. Geez this was frustrating, but thanks for all the help and tips along the way! :)

Suppose I haven't the Leeming Lut, are there alternative Luts for free?

@JDW-

2 жыл бұрын

Yes. The very first link I provide in the text description under my video is free. Simple click SHOW MORE on a desktop computer to expand the text description so you can see it. Alternatively, you can select your Rec.2020 footage in FCPX, click the Info Inspector, then set Color Space Override to "Rec. 2020." You will still need to grade (and probably need to reduce the reds a bit too) and set white balance, but Color Space Override keeps the highlights from blowing out and adjusts the content for the Rec.709 color space. Try that and compare with the free driftwood LUT to see which method you prefer.

@HibaMediaGroup

2 жыл бұрын

@@JDW- Thank you much for your detailed explanation and help. I really appreciate it 🙏👊🤗🙌

I want to edit my HLG footage which is 4k as proxy footage so its easier to edit with but it looks way overexposed. How can i fix this?

@JDW-

4 жыл бұрын

I shoot exclusively in 10-bit 4K HLG on my GH5 and work on a Rec.709 timeline in FCPX, but I normally don't use proxies. Even so, I tested just now and didn't have a problem with my HLG footage. What I did was tick both the "Create Optimized Media" & "Create Proxy Media" checkboxes when creating a new Event with fresh media that hasn't been edited and has no LUTs applied. I created a New Project and set it to 4K 29.97p. I selected my clip in the left sidebar under "Projects" and then set Color Space Override to "Rec.2020." I then put it on the timeline, and added some saturation and boosted highlights (i.e., a light grade), and I then clicked the View pull-down and chose Proxy. Everything works fine, just like if I had not transcoded or used proxies at all. Of course, the resolution is lower when View is set to Proxy, but that is the only difference I am seeing. Please let me know if this helps.

@AM2PMReviews

4 жыл бұрын

JDW I will try this! The Apple care didn’t know what to do.

@AM2PMReviews

4 жыл бұрын

@@JDW- I will try it. The apple help people didn't seem to know what to do and figured it was a new issue. I will try it now.

@AM2PMReviews

4 жыл бұрын

@@JDW- Now i am wondering if the issue is in camera when i set the recording style, i set it to rec 709 so it might be great in a 709 timelien but lose the data with proxy.

@JDW-

4 жыл бұрын

@@AM2PMReviews It doesn't appear that you told me what camera you have. I have a Panasonic GH5. There is a "Like-709" profile that can be chosen, but we are talking about Rec.2020 which is not that. When I set my GH5's profile to HLG, that is Rec.2020, and that is what I have been talking about. So if your camera is different, then you need to determine if indeed you have been shooting in Rec.2020 (HLG) or something else. You mentioned "HLG" in your opening post, so I thought you had been using that Rec.2020 footage. In any case, you need to ensure your Library in FCPX is Rec.709, not Rec.2020. What I have been telling you is about a Rec.709 timeline. I have not been talking about exporting to HDR. To export to HDR, you would need a Rec.2020 timeline, and of course a monitor that can display HDR.

Any suggestions for where to get the conversion for fujifilm xt-3?

@JDW-

5 жыл бұрын

I'm not familiar with Fujifilm cameras. Are you asking where to find an HLG Rec.2020 to Rec.709 conversion LUT for FCPX?

@enkisumer

5 жыл бұрын

@@JDW- You mention that a camera LUT is needed, is that the same thing as "HLG Rec.2020 to Rec.709 conversion LUT"? If so then yes.

@JDW-

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, the Camera LUT is the same as "HLG Rec.2020 to Rec.709 conversion LUT" which is also the same as the Leeming HLG LUT.

Hello, I'm using FCPX 10.1.1. I was able to open the 10-bit files from my GH5 and install them on a FCPX timeline. Are there any caveats, or troubles down the road?

@JDW-

3 жыл бұрын

Well, as mentioned in the text description under my video, I was using version 10.4 at the time I made that video. The current version is 10.5. I realize you cannot update to the newest version of FCPX unless you have a recent version of MacOS, and that is why I purchased a 2TB USB external SSD for the lone purpose of booting Catalina on it so I can run the latest version of FCPX. I really loath Catalina otherwise, which is why I still run High Sierra on my internal SSDs. But you really get A LOT when you update to the latest FCPX. A lot of major bugs are gone, and the performance boost is incredible. Footage that ran choppy before is now much smoother. I still need proxies for my 4K 10-bit HLG LongGOP footage, but for anything else, new versions of FCPX are worth buying an external drive to run Catalina. Now if you are on an older Mac that simply cannot run Catalina, then that would be a barrier, I agree. And in that case, I really cannot quite remember how well FCPX 10.1 worked with my GH5 footage. Keep in mind that old version came out way back in 2016. The main issues might be if your footage is HLG or not. I shoot everything in HLG and convert it from Rec.2020 to Rec.709 using Color Space Override set to Rec.709. If you don't shoot HLG, you would not need to worry about that. You still might need proxies though, unless you shoot All-I. I prefer LongGOP to save SD card and computer SSD space.

@TheCorbettMediaGroup

3 жыл бұрын

@@JDW- thanks for the detailed response...I really appreciate it! Yes, I am on an older Mac...much older. As I am an audio guy, I’ve chosen to stay behind OS wise for a few different reasons, like older apps and hardware I’m running in my recording studio. I’m considering purchasing a new computer to run up to date versions of FCPX, or any other video editors . Again, thank you fir the thoughtful and detailed response.

@JDW-

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheCorbettMediaGroup I assume you must be tempted to get one of the new M1 Macs. I've seen a lot of PC guys gravitate toward them due to their amazing performance. Apple will probably release more models this year. I've been told they are so fast that I wouldn't need to use proxies anymore with the GH5's LongGOP video compression, which would save me a lot of time. The M1 notebooks really are super fast, so I can only imagine what the Apple Silicon iMac or 16" MBP will be like. Exciting times!

@TheCorbettMediaGroup

3 жыл бұрын

@@JDW- Oddly enough, I was just told about the M1 today. I'm doing some recon on it now!

@TheCorbettMediaGroup

3 жыл бұрын

@@JDW-, after sniffing around, I am strongly considering the Macbook Pro M1. May I ask your opinion as to what specs would insure the best workflow for FCPX, or any other video editor in your opinion? The singular goal for me is to be able to edit 400mb, 10bit files as efficiently as possible. Thanks!

Do you think does is it matter if your set library to Standard or Wide Gamut when doing Rec.709 project?

@JDW-

4 жыл бұрын

It matters. I suggest you set your Library to Standard. I do.

thanks but when you are finish how to shut it down again ? :-)

@JDW-

4 жыл бұрын

I’m sorry, but I don’t really understand your question.

FINALLY. All these "filmmakers" on KZread recommending color space override as a simple trick don't understand that it defeats the purpose of shooting HLG. Thanks for the video that actually solves the problem.

@JDW-

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching and for your very kind words, Derek. I’m very happy to hear my video could help you!

Hov to you made corect PROXY file?

@JDW-

5 жыл бұрын

I am not showing or using any proxies in my video, no. In fact, I never use proxies.

5 жыл бұрын

thenky for help👌

Thanks so much!

@JDW-

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for letting me know my video helped you!

@throttlenerd

4 жыл бұрын

JDW But I’m still hesitant to use 2020 because transcoding to proxy in Final Cut disregards this setting (however I only used the “color space override” method, will try yours soon) and there’s no way FC will display correct gamma for HLG 2020 in proxy or “optimized” media.

@JDW-

4 жыл бұрын

@@throttlenerd Thanks for your follow-up comment. What I've been doing lately is using no LUT at all and like you use Color Space Override set to "Rec.2020." It converts my GH5's Rec.2020 footage to Rec.709 well enough. I often need to boost the highlights as a part of my grade, but that's not a big deal. However, I don't transcode or use proxies. That makes editing slow on a slow Mac, but it avoids trouble too. But when I say slow, I mean it. 4K 10-bit GH5 footage on my mid-2015 15" MBP is painful, and even on my late 2015 27" iMac playback is rather awful. I end up exporting 1080p segments as I edit so I can see it playback with no dropped frames. It would be nice to be wealthy and afford a tricked out Mac Pro setup, but that's not my situation, unfortunately. With a machine like that, or even a top end 2019 27" iMac, 10-bit 4K can playback fine without being transcoded, from what I understand.

@throttlenerd

4 жыл бұрын

@@JDW- That's why I love proxies, even on relatively powerful MBP )

@JDW-

4 жыл бұрын

@@throttlenerd I must admit that I've never tried proxies. But one is naturally led to wonder if proxies are so great, why don't all FCPX users choose that path? I'd love to hear what downsides you have found when using proxies in your workflow.

how to close it?

@JDW-

Жыл бұрын

I'm afraid I don't understand what you mean.

I’m not familiar with a lot of the technical jargon - still learning - however my question is… Why record in rec 2020 when you end up converting to rec 709 anyways? Aren’t you losing the very quality you are looking for by shooting in Rec 2020 HDR after converting down to rec 709? Why not just shoot in rec 709 so all you tube viewers on all devices, including ones whose devices can’t display hdr, can appreciate the quality? Is there something I’m missing? Does converting keep much of the wide gamut color space, more so than just filming in rec 709 to begin with?

@JDW-

7 ай бұрын

To maximize the dynamic range. I get the same DR when shooting in HLG as vLog, and both of those are far, far better than the DR in any other camera profile. So it makes enormous sense, with a Panasonic GH5, to shoot in Rec.2020 HLG and switch to Rec.709 in FCPX when I edit. I wish everybody had HDR screens, but they still don't. HDR is not ubiquitous. And while KZread will convert Rec.2020 to Rec.709 when a SDR is detected, it looks best when I convert to Rec.709 and edit colors to my liking.

@citylumberjack8381

7 ай бұрын

@@JDW- Thanks for the super quick response and for explaining it to me! However, you are using much better equipment than I am. You have have a very high quality camera. I am only using the base level iPhone 14 and currently editing on a MacBook Air 2015. My MacBook Pro M1 failed on me and I’m waiting to get a replacement. Will using a Lut (or even using the color space override, setting it to rec 2020, not HLG) still yield a superior colour profile, than if I just disable the HDR setting on iPhone 14 and resort to shooting in rec. 720?

@JDW-

7 ай бұрын

​@@citylumberjack8381 I'm afraid I am not well versed in the details about the iPhone 14, but I have an iPhone 15 Pro Max, which includes a LOG feature. It's neat because you can use a LUT on the iPhone while filming, then add the same LUT or a different one when you later edit in FCPX. You get the best Dynamic Range with LOG. But on the iPhone 14 models, I'm unsure if you have the same feature set. I am talking about recording LOG to your iPhone's internal storage, not recording to external USB-C storage. I've not used external storage on my iPhone 15 Pro Max yet. If you watch my newest video from 37min, 48sec., you can see footage from my iPhone 15 Pro Max shot in LOG (floppy drive on white background), and compare that to the test of the video, shot by my Panasonic GH5 (all in 4K): kzread.info/dash/bejne/l3dl0LebnK3Wp7Q.htmlsi=UyYehQbL2dJjApiQ&t=2268

@citylumberjack8381

7 ай бұрын

@@JDW- Wow, amazing detail in your reply. Much thanks for the education and guidance. I had no clue that was was even possible, with regards to using a lut directly on iPhone 15 Max. I’ll do some research into whether or not that’s possible with the 14 but as it’s the base model I doubt they would it at that price point. Tech/hardware companies love to offer incentive to upgrade one level beyond :)

@citylumberjack8381

7 ай бұрын

@@JDW- I’ll check out that video in your reply and you got a new sub. Great channel and viewer interaction 👍🏻

I gave you a thumbs up to counter the goofiness of some of these thumbs downers. I think the info is good. My only thought is that with all these cameras and luts it seems that basic lighting gets forgotten. In this case, I realize it is just a tutorial, but the reality is it doesn't really matter if the window is blown out because there's nothing really out there we'd be interested in. But then again, highlights are distracting, so perhaps you do want to bring the highlights down in post. My thing is that I think we are forgetting about basic lighting and the importance of it and are just trying to fix everything in post with LUTs. But good info still the same.

@JDW-

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you. There was a wave of thumbs-down clicks about a couple months ago. I think they came from our GH5 & GH5S group on Facebook, or possible from the Leeming LUT Pro group. There was a lot of talk by some there about why they say no one should use "Camera LUT" in FCPX and everybody should use "Custom LUT" instead. I disagreed and posted my video to explain, and then came the wave of ThumbDowns. But over time, some of those very people realized they were in error and then starting saying I was right all along. The problem is, they never returned here to change their Thumb-downs back into Thumb-ups. Even so, a lot of those "Camera LUT" haters feel justified because they say Ripple Training is the source of their info. To me, the source of their info doesn't matter. What matters is how to make HLG look good on a Rec.709 timeline, with or without a LUT. I think my video covers that in the proper way and my approach coincides with Apple's own FCPX documentation. I assume you are shooting in HLG and editing in FCPX? Do you have a GH5? If yes on all counts, try this: 1. Launch FCPX, and open a Rec.709 timeline with your HLG footage. 2. In the upper right of your display you should see a little round icon with an "i" in it. That is the Info Inspector. Please open it. 3. You'll then note a little popup menu in the bottom left corner of that panel that lets you choose different things like Basic, General, Extended, Audio, Exif and more. Choose "Settings" from that popup. 4. Look up a bit within that same panel and you should see a popup menu labeled Color Space Override. Make sure your footage is on the timeline and selected, then click Color Space Override and choose "Rec.2020" and take note there other options with Rec.2020 in the name. You need to choose only the one that says "Rec.2020." Once you do that, all your levels come down to less than 100 IRE and you accomplished it without a LUT! 5. At the bottom left of your video viewer there's a magic wand tool. Click it and choose "Balance Color." It's best to use the eye dropper on a white card in your scene, but a gray card will work fine too. If you lack that, you could use automatic, but eye dropping is better. That's the first step after Color Space Override. 6. In the upper right of the view is the "View" popup. Click and choose "Video Scopes." Then on the scopes choose RGB Parade. You want to grade such that your highlights hit 100IRE (or higher if you don't mind some clipping), and ensure your darks hit 0 IRE. I personally use Color Wheels for that, then add a Color Curve (S-curve) to add contrast if needed. And that's it -- all done without a single LUT! Now as you said, proper lighting is important. And if you are using the Leeming LUT, it's even more important. But again, you can get HLG on a Rec.709 timeline even without a LUT. And even if you're lighting is less than stellar, the 6-step method I just gave you will work fine in most cases. In fact, some of my footage looks better doing it that way than with Leeming LUT Pro! Please give it a try and let me know what you think. Thanks.

Many people have and HDR display. A lot of phones are HDR now.

@JDW-

11 ай бұрын

Many is not the majority. I still convert my Rec.2020 HLG footage to Rec.709 in FCPX and the end result is that everyone is pleased, rather than only a segment of viewers. It is unfortunate, I agree. But until pretty much everyone can view HDR and pretty much nobody views on a device than can't display HDR, it makes logical sense to do what makes everybody happy, rather than just what makes a large group happy.

Never mind the GH5 :) what about us poor buggers who just got a new iPhone 12 Pro Max! I read the apple article and all was good but interesting stuff none the less. Guess I've not edited video in quite a while, certainly never HDR stuff as I only have a humble GH4 up until now.

@JDW-

3 жыл бұрын

Well, I'm a bit too poor a bugger right now to purchase an iPhone 12 of any variety to answer your question. In fact, I still have an iPhone 7. But should a not-so-poor someone wish to donate one to this channel for a video editing review, then we're in business! :-)

@JacanaProductions

3 жыл бұрын

@@JDW- I just replaced my 7plus with the 12 so I had a good run with it. Replaced the screen twice but messed up the home button due to water damage.

@JDW-

3 жыл бұрын

@@JacanaProductions Thanks for sharing. Other than my financial situation being very bad right now, the other reason I currently have no intention of upgrading yet is because my iPhone 7 is inside a case with protective glass applied and has no damage of any kind. My wife is still using her iPhone 6S too! Maybe we'll upgrade when the iPhone 15 comes out and the Notch is finally gone. :-)

@JacanaProductions

3 жыл бұрын

@@JDW- I hear you; my mom is still rocking my 6S plus and I have my old 5S with a new screen still around. I must say I hate the Face ID, never works, but the new RAW feature they just announce is killer and the video is great. The 7S was a great phone but somehow, it's meant to be waterproof, it got water in it. I think when apple changed the battery for free it wasn't sealed right.

@JDW-

3 жыл бұрын

@@JacanaProductions I think everyone is hating FaceID with masks on these days! :-) But honestly, if I wasn't in such financial dire straights, I would be tempted to upgrade to an iPhone 12 now, despite the FaceID. I'm a big time camera guy!

You know, I gave you a thumbs down on this video. But unlike most people I'm going to tell you why. You go into so much extraneous, unnecessary detail that wanders far off from the actual subject it's very difficult to follow. IMO you make it unnecessarily complicated---far too much in the weeds on minutia that have little to nothing with the actual subject. I think your information is good, but the essential parts are obscured because you waste the viewers time with all this clutter and minutia that are not germane to the actual issue---way to "chatty." Have more respect for the viewer's time. I'd like to hear this presentation pared down to the essential things to working with HLG in FCPX. I'll bet you could get it below 5 minutes, easy. Clear and concise, omitting all the parentheticals and the rabbit trails.

@JDW-

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you for being frank. Most people who give a thumbs down do it flippantly or for silly reasons like the video not being as entertaining as they thought it would be. I gave your post a Thumbs Up just now because I like to be positive and fight the negatives. But I need to be frank too. I cannot please all the people all the time. I know a good number of people who despise excess brevity and I am one of them. Far too many videos are intent on being short at the expense of additional information that SOME PEOPLE might find useful. And as of this writing, 54 people have given the video a Thumbs Up versus 5 (yours included) who gave it a Thumbs Down. Commentary matters. If it didn't matter, the news would just be the facts without any commentary. And I'm with you on that. I'd rather have news without any commentary at all -- just the facts. But that isn't the case due to human nature. People want that commentary or they won't watch. Just so you know, I make no money at all from KZread. None. I don't have a Patreon account. I don't even ask people to "Like and Subscribe." I get zero benefit personally from KZread. I do this in my free time out of the desire to share knowledge with others. And with that comes a bit of commentary. But that is nothing unique to me. Check out Peter Gregg here on KZread. I rather like his videos even though they are mostly commentary. He has a pretty good following too. I suspect you may not be a fan though. Regardless, best wishes William! And thanks for watching!

@avarmadillo

5 жыл бұрын

@@JDW- I still could not figure out how to get HLG into a 709 color space with the proper exposure. I hate to have to spend an hour or two trying to decipher the necessary information through your labyrinthine commentary. You, of course, can do as you please. I suggestion was constructive criticism--it has nothing to do with subscribers or money or anything of the sort. I leave you with a concrete example of how NOT to save your viewers time and efficiently get the needed information to them in an ordered, timely manner: Heibron is, IMO, the gold standard: kzread.info/dash/bejne/rH-JvNGPj9u8ico.html

@JDW-

5 жыл бұрын

@@avarmadillo I doubt I can compete with Gold Standard professional KZreadrs who do that as their full time job and put the extra effort in for financial gain. Nevertheless, I do take your comments to heart, despite the fact you could have offered constructive criticism without a Thumbs Down. But that's just the Thumbs-Up-loving optimist in me talking. Have you figured out how to get your HLG Rec.2020 footage into a Rec.709 timeline in a way that looks acceptable to you, or are you still searching for answers in that regard? (I assume you are using FCPX?) I use the Leeming HLG LUT in conjunction with my GH5's 10-bit 4K footage, and there are caveats to how the end result looks, depending on which VERSION of the Leeming HLG LUT you use (assuming you are evening using that or any LUT). Version 5.02 is brighter overall than the current version HLG LUT, for example. Nick Driftwood has his own HLG LUT (same in brightness to the Leeming HLG LUT v5.02) made available for free in the text description beneath his video here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/hGuHz7exab2shto.html

@avarmadillo

5 жыл бұрын

@@JDW- Of course you can't compete with Heilbron. But that was not the point. I guess I"ll have to spell it out. He's the gold standard for getting the pertinent information out in an organized fashion. EVERYONE'S informational videos could benefit from that. The best you tubers do it. Sorry I mentioned it.

@JDW-

5 жыл бұрын

@@avarmadillo Thank you for your reply, but you did not answer my question. Have you figured out how to get your HLG Rec.2020 footage into a Rec.709 timeline in a way that looks acceptable to you, or are you still searching for answers in that regard? (I assume you are using FCPX?)