Wow. What a difference in riding and horses between then and now. These horses are so light and free with minimal bridle. They also look so comfortable, minimal stress. It's a look that we all should strive for our horses and as riders. ❤❤

Now THIS is dressage! What a difference from todays practice! Look at how soft and at ease the horses are in their movements compared with today?

@lauralauren6432

7 ай бұрын

Well The Horses are not subtle, energetic, elastic or bent in The bodies. NO COLLECTION WHAT SO EVER. You dont become a PRO by being i Germany and Brittain for a few weeks. These men lacks everything. The Horses shows their miscontent. It not even working trot . Extended trot is MAXIMUM LENGTH IN Collection. They havent got The Strength to do these kind execises in GRAND PRIX status. It shall be ENERGY, FLOW AND STRENGTH. I KNOW WHY THEY DIDNT SHOW ANY PIAFF AND PASSAGE. IT WOULD BE AWFUL to watch. YOU DONT GET A 5/10 ON THOSE "Pirouettes" on lower grades . The Horses throw themselves around. Not galopping and are out of form.

@louisecotulla4296

7 ай бұрын

@@lauralauren6432 i agree the degee of collection is not what we see today. But would you prefer the overflexed, chin on the chest, tongue hanging out stuff we have now? Riders hanging on the mouth, toes down, hips grinding down on the horse's back....most of it is awful. Also, these riders are not doing tests, they are schooling, so I would not expect the same quality they would show in an actual test.

@lauralauren6432

7 ай бұрын

@@louisecotulla4296 Thats Propaganda. I guess You havent lots of experience yourself, but is an expert on the side. Its HARD to learn to be a Great rider. I has everything to do with a feeling. If you have trained one or 2 its easier to know that feeling and get there again. These rider You can SEE everywhere today. Wannabees. Military. Everything becomes better. Figureskating , tennis, are not the same today. Developement.

@Roheryn100

6 ай бұрын

@@lauralauren6432I see no miscontent from these horses. On the other hand, every collecting ring shows it these days.

@h.m.v.

6 ай бұрын

​@@lauralauren6432 Especially in the the Extended Trot you can see the difference to most modern grand prix riders. Especially the parts written after the maximum length in collection bit: engagement of the HINDQUARTERS (and correspondence of the forehand (not the other way around)), If forehand and hindquarters coordinate well then the cannon bones of each, forward-moving, diagonal pair are PARALLEL. (!!!) Especially the latter part is often forgotten by modern judges in favour of exaggerated showy movement of the forehand. It isn't hard to see when watching modern competitions that most horses show super exaggerated movement in the forehand (Totilas is just a caricature of the modern dressage horse)- but the hindlegs don't correspond. Just stop a video and draw lines through the legs. Are they parallel? It's rare to see these days. But it doesn't matter as long as the horse throws up their front legs as high as they can, right?/s

That looks nice. The head of the horse not behind the vertical, not like today with pressure and pain. 👏👏👏Lightness like classical dressage must be❤️❤️❤️

These horses are so pleasant to watch light and relaxed not muscle bound animals with stiff stilted movements and frothy mouths . The riders have good seats not aided by the saddles which look somewhat slippery .

I wish we would see flying changes done so well with such lightness today Yes, Reno Overdo makes a couple of mistakes, but it is schooling. Look at Lt. Borg's wonderful easy contact and how relaxed and forward (and straight) the horse is. I'm so impressed!

@ImogenC-rt3fm

7 ай бұрын

Remember Ahlerich and Klimke at the 84 Olympics in LA?

@louisecotulla4296

7 ай бұрын

@@ImogenC-rt3fm yes, i've seen that vid. so relaxed and fluid. Dr. Klimke was not a pretty rider, but he Ahlerich was wonderfully soft and co=ect in his movements. He makes it all l[k deceptively easy.

@SoozUK

6 ай бұрын

yeah the horse didn't look quite sound and was frequently tight over the back @@ImogenC-rt3fm

@Roheryn100

6 ай бұрын

@@SoozUK You can always watch Totilas for being not quite sound and tight over the back….Just a suggestion.

Great riding with everything looking relaxed. Borg is an exemplary horseman and the horse performs with ease and correctness. I would like to see today’s dressage riders follow his example and lighten up.

@ImogenC-rt3fm

7 ай бұрын

Double bridle used to be the beginning of a saddle horse’s training. The biomechanics are fascinating! And it used to be that if you couldn’t handle two sets of reins, you were either four years old, or shouldn’t have been allowed on a horse in the first place. Dressage wasn’t a “sport”, it was horse boot camp-basic training! Piaffe wasn’t the holy grail, it was just part of a normal horse’s training.Once had a lovely warm blood mare in training. Her gaits had lateralized to the point she couldn’t canter. I fixed it with piaffe. Six weeks of hill work and walk, rein back and ONLY piaffe/passage. If she offered canter, I stop and reinback. Client was concerned and I couldn’t blame her-it was a real leap of faith. But voila: The first day of week seven, I sat deep and soft, and thought “canter”. And there it was! She gathered herself beneath me and rolled into a canter more balanced than even I’d dared to imagine. But yeah, I do get a little worked up. So here endeth today’s rant.

@stephanengelhardt2616

6 ай бұрын

Amen

@suzanneterrey4499

6 ай бұрын

I trained with Major Borg's protégé for several years. She was very tough and demanding on me, but both my horse and I advanced very quickly. Due to Borg's influence, she had no pity on sloppy or lazy riding, and demanded discipline as well as VERY LIGHT REIN CONTACT. She wanted the horse in self carriage with immediate responses from the horse. She was the best trainer I ever had and I salute Major Borg's tough Army training methods although he also trained in Germany with the great classic riders there. After his horrible accident he was confined to a wheelchair for the rest of his life, but he still taught riders.

I love the higher headset, the poll is the highest point like it should be and horses are in front of the vertical. See how light it makes them on the forehand, reaching far underneath with their hind legs! So free flowing and graceful. I wish dressage would return to its roots, it used to be so beautiful to watch. 💔

Many things to like: quiet, steady hands that keep an "elastic" contact, horses not overbent, actually looking relaxed during flying changes. Horses not rushed in extended trot, riders not leaning back as fare as modern dressage riders. Canter pirouette looks more forward and smooth, not hitchy as most ride it now. Both trot and canter on the circle show better bend through the body, and again the horse looks to be moving "freely" and relaxed. Of course, the build of the horse matters, and this is not the modern warmblood, but a slenderer, more supple horse by nature. (TB? Looks at least half TB with no hint of the heavier build, thicker neck of modern upper-level dressage horses.)

Im so suprised that they walk so freely without any tension, i did not expect that from that era. They make it look so easy.

@Seleuce

6 ай бұрын

You underestimate our past. Those people had come from a time when horses were literally everywhere in the all day life, farming, transport, and to a much smaller amount than today for the rich, pleasure. The rider in this clip probably saw more horses in his childhood than cars. He had parents who again didn't even know cars in their childhood, and grandparents who solely travelled by coach and rarely by train. When it comes to horses and riding, mankind has not improved, but regressed, sadly because horses have become obsolete. We know less about healthy horses, healthy riding and healthy breeding than we did 100 years ago.

I almost started to cry watching the videos. What a big difference to nowadays Olympic riders!

Magnificent riding! Borg was an excellent rider. He made it appear so easy even though it is no easy task.

I love these old videos - so fresh and fluid and lovely! The horses of today look like cranked-up, strapped down wrecks in comparison.

Great vintage footage of this art form. To be saved. Thank you for sharing.🐴

What a happy tail! Klimke would have said ´tail pending’ at every move. Swinging with complete relaxation even through the one-tempis, not wringing at every change as we so often see today.

More like an English hunt seat than today's dressage seat. Very relaxed. Better riders.

@animallover4101

20 күн бұрын

I believe the modern saddles of today really hinder the horses movements.

He was my coach, I miss him so much. It’s so nice to see him riding, I didn’t meet him and start training with him until after his accident that paralyzed him from the waist down. Yet in a single year he taught me all the Grand Prix movements on my little grade horse when I was 19 years old. I’m 60 today and still training and showing through Grand Prix thanks to his wonderful influence ❤.

I adore these horses aided by riders who had the profession. The neck the highest point of the horse... not so difficult to forget. I hardly see in in any riding which pretends to be « classical » Adorable work shown here

So light and fresh and confident! Today's horses look like soulless blocks of wood in comparison.

This is the most relaxed, supple and quiet I've ever seen a horse and rider perform dressage..this is light years better than I've seen any modern dressage rider in 2023. The difference is night and day.

I think we ought to download these and use them to train ourselves and the horses! Lol

I loved it, you can see happy horses.

Lovely to see this, thx for sharing it

This is real dressage. Sure, his seat isn't as good as our Olympic riders but the horse is in front of the vertical and doesn't look in pain. Plus the ears are calm and focused

This is so good. What I recall when I first got interested in dressage. What the heck happened?

What a massive difference from then to now. Maybe a lot of riders should go back to riding bareback with a simple snaffle and they’d be surprised at just how light their horses will become

@ladysecretz

5 ай бұрын

I reckon that instead of bareback just simply have their stirrups taken away. That was the way when I started to learn how to ride.

Wow, it's a world apart in comparison!

Brilliant!! I am no dressage expert, but I love this guy's soft, quiet hands!! The horse looks so free and relaxed!! Thanks for the post! ❤

Highly skilled & schooled rider on slightly underdeveloped horses. How impressive, still, the competent, relaxed, and athletic seat of the riders on these--aerobically--developed horses. Allows so much freedom in the body despite some difficulties in the neck. Comments critiquing "air time" in the saddle missing not only the pelvic tuck to keep rider centered & reduce impact, the strong engaged back, but more importantly the text stating the sit is intended as a driving seat...not show ready. Nice to see a rider free to follow the center of gravity & to influence it by body weight & core...instead of stuck in a deep seat with only free calves, spurs, and hands. Not perfect here but certainly easier to watch.

Wie schön, wunderbar vor der Senkrechten

That s fantastic!!

Crazy to see how nice this looked without $10k custom saddles, crazy tight nosebands, and other gimmicks.

Wow. That extended trot ❤

Incredible ❤ Thank you for this video!

Wow looks so much better than dressage now.

Lovely!

Isnt it interesting that Europe at that time just came out of a terrible war, yet the riding is so damn smooth and the horseys look refreshingly unstressed.

Video excelente , thank you

Halt is a FORWARD transition. These are halts through the walk, yes. But you can see here how WHOA comes from behind; a square halt results naturally when the horse is truly on the bridle-though I think of it, and as it is here ridden, in the seat. It’s the basic physics of join-up. Not the futzing around with feet one sees too often today in even our elite dressage arenas. If the horse is truly “through” a square halt is INEVITABLE! No rearranging needed. Riders: If you’re futzing for a square halt-if you think you have to teach it-you’ve missed the point. The HALT is a test of thru-ness. If your halts aren’t square, your horse, regardless of level, IS NOT THROUGH. (End of today’s obligatory rant.)

Gosh these guys are so relaxed it looks like they could do this while eating a sandwich

@PonyTrotsky

Жыл бұрын

Beautifully put - and so true.

Love to see this, dressage is so stressed nowadays with poor riding. Nowadays horses are flicking their toes, they're pulled behind the vertical, the whole body looks stressed. This is much nicer to look at, because it's horses showing skills that are within their capabilities, instead of horses being forced to make much too exaggerated movements.

Goals 🎉

Seeing horses move like this, heads properly above the vertical in relaxed positions, is proof that the vertical stuff is pretty much nonsense and has only come about through us overbitting and incorrect training of the horse. Horses are far more supple while holding their heads in a relaxed, natural position, muzzles forward, not pointed to the ground. They look happier because they are; this is a position they can hold comfortably and allows them to look around, you know, like an animal should be able to do. It's rare I think animal welfare was BETTER in the past, but this is pretty indisputably better animal welfare than what we have now in the equestrian world.

Wonder if the Americans were still buying their horses in Europe, wouldn't have been the Netherlands more likely Germany. All the cold-blood horses in the world owned by the Amish and the Americans still cant breed an American warmblood. Tut tut. I love the relaxed attitude to dressage shown here, yes most of the horses were more on the forehand than hinds but happy horses, very happy horses in the main that were still forward and powered enough from behind. I think that lovely casual forward schwung has been entirely lost in todays dressage which has far far too much tension, tension and tension. You just don't see light happy dressage anymore, always the exaggeration and force instead to create those extremes in movement. I think the last truly happy dancer I saw was Jennie Loriston Clark on Dutch Gold in the late eighties.

@cathiwim

5 ай бұрын

Dont want to breed a Warmblood. Dont need to.

Dieser Reiter kann den Trab nicht weich aussitzen. Heutzutage würde ich ihm einen gut töltenden ("rack", "running walk") Isländer empfehlen!!

@marielleluthy3932

4 ай бұрын

Im Gegensatz zu den heutigen Reitern hat dieser hier eben keine Sitzprothese sondern einen Sattel. Da ist das ruhig sitzen im Trab um einiges schwieriger.

This was how I was trained to ride both on the flat and over fences. I wouldnt compete in todays competitive world. Eventing today is horrible to subject these wonderful animals to. Pretty much all styles of riding have become abusive to the horse.

Not one of these riders can sit! Watch the extended trot! Willi Schultheis had trained Lt.Borg long before the 1948 Olympic games on one of the horses his own trainer ,OTTO LOERKE ,had trained. I like these old movies very much - 10:41 but not that talk,as if all would have been better then.

@cardinalfox0734

6 ай бұрын

Their stirrups are shorter than a moder dressage rider, AND the saddle is completely different

@casdragon_5939

6 ай бұрын

You try a sitting trot with shorter stirrups and a borderline jumping saddle . . . I'll wait lmao

@LETMino85

6 ай бұрын

Different equipment.

@mariedomke-dewitt4554

2 ай бұрын

It’s true he rode with Otto, who was very impressed with him and didn’t take just anyone to train. He Major Borg was brilliant a true master that today’s riders skill can’t touch. He always made me watch how often he praised the horse while he was training them.

LOL. These would not get high point today. Thanks

@diannagregg191

7 ай бұрын

Difference between horseman who can actually ride a horse, and someone who has practiced looking good while going through the motions of riding a horse. Modern dressage is efed up, like many other things. Horses miserable, riders ruthless and clueless...so sad.

@cardinalfox0734

6 ай бұрын

It should though. Just because of high score today doesn't mean it's actually correct

@casdragon_5939

6 ай бұрын

of course not, the sport is about looks and inflated egos rather than actual riding ability

@lauralauren6432

6 ай бұрын

@@cardinalfox0734 What is correct? I see many trouble some things. All things were NOT better back then. If you have some riding skills You noticed it. Many many Horses DIED in The Event and showjumping. The rider just rode full Speed ahead. Not capable of balancing and helping The Horses to jump from the right position. Watch The water hurdle. Every horse FELL. Kamikaze riders. Disgusting.

@Roheryn100

6 ай бұрын

No, they wouldn’t because WE have lost the concept of elegance and lightness of movement. Now everything is strive strive strive, more more more.

The horses are experts; the riders are definitely not. Poor seats, poor stirrup position, poor reining. All the tail swishing indicates the horse is exasperated with the rider.

any one notice how they are sitting. 😂