Hilarious how actual Vietnamese veterans are telling these middle-class kids to mass organize instead of engaging in combat & they completely scoffed at them and just continued to do nothing

@Reworkd

Ай бұрын

Just goes to show the power of convincing a movement to LARP. Most groups hardly need to be soldiers to effect change, but for some reason the fantasy of battle takes precedent over real, organized and direct action

@ISureDont

Ай бұрын

We’ve been propagandized into believing it’s the only way. There’s been some studies on the subject that suggest having a larger peaceful movement along side a small violent force that’s more of a threat than actually acting works the best for enacting widespread change.

@PeachDragon_

Ай бұрын

​@@Reworkdhilariously enough everyone wants to be a soldier for the cause but nobody actually cares about achieving stated political objectives which is the entire job of a soldier and the entire point for a military and war in general.

@PeachDragon_

Ай бұрын

​@@ISureDont in politics soft beats strong. Every.single.time.

@mmfood3004

Ай бұрын

@@PeachDragon_ Absolutely not true as every fascist state of the 30's and 40's showed. It's also why nationalism is such a strong force and not one that any right thinking person would describe as "soft". Are you just completely full of shit?

I love how this guerilla groups have like this cool names like "Red Brigades", "Red Army Faction", "The Weather Underground", and then theres just Britain with their Angry Brigade

@methinc.5294

Ай бұрын

the british dont have good taste in symbols and names

@stalk711

Ай бұрын

I've always loved British naming, it goes on the extremes of Cool and Silly. They give their war machines names like Dreadnought, Spitfire or Crusader, And then give their towns silly names like Giggleswick

@thenoneckpeoplerepresentat8074

Ай бұрын

Could be worse, something like “The Rotten Tooth Rifles.”

@espinita.

Ай бұрын

​@@methinc.5294 hard disagree I think it goes hard

@phorz85

Ай бұрын

Unnecessarily complicated. It's way easier to go by their two only names of relevance - cia n nato. After using their nazi recruted sleeper cell - shadow militias to frame the left for bombings they did, there was a quite small piecer of that era, when the lrft underground truly radicalized in became genuinly n on own initiative the way they r presented to b during their total time. As soon tho' they started to b taken serious, they got infiltrated like every terrorgroup n as soon that phase was reachred the mechanisms of "terror management" took hold with decreasing limits for crimes allowed to do in order to keep covers intact, escalation of accepting agents doing worse n worse in hope to get bigger n bigger opportunities to convict, lines blur to a point that have a so vital role in prepaired attacks planning n prepairing that it is stoppinhg to b just any support into cases where the agent via his gouvernment support, provides organisational elements so essential that it makes him into the actual enabler. If the agent who started to subtilly radicalize members to get extremer views, or who would cheer on any nutcase that makes a joke about bombing stuff, towards doing it... If such a guy is responsable to get rather than a getaway car, or a free awaylable ingredient to mix explosives, the task to deliver the detonaters that r the only element they couldn't get legally or build themself, so already is it actually fully under gouvernment control if there will b a working bomb, they can't take them off the board cuz their agent is the only one to pin it on. Now he has to trust that they will stage the operation n interfere last minute so the rest can b tried or he has to trust that detonaters he has, r dysfunctional so the thing can play out n the cases get more solid n sometimes, someone uptop gets the idea that a real attack is strategcly more helpful n important than the arrests n ending that threatpotential what was the entire reason 4 it all. Still, if they get the whole commandstructure eliminated, the gouvernment now will logicly see themself forced to keep up their secret connection n partial controll over the rest structures so the group has an agent on top level n the gouvernment now has to even strengthen their manipulation n provocation of the newer members into visible follow up actions to remain relevant to prevent a possibly new n genuine group to fill in the gap that the arrested have left behind, which would require the repeated invested energy, time n money to get a handle on them too. Suddenly it's a national task to deliver controlled levels of terrorism to prevent unchecked terrorism. Germans raf was heavilly infiltrated n the 3rd generation has ppl who researching that stuff actually doubting, if there still was a real organisation, or if it actually has evolved into an entirely made up narrative for covered intelligence operations. When the raf n brigada rosso started to lose public support into the early 80s there was suddenly terror that got framed on right wing aczors just as quick n unproven, then they did with the left before. It simply became strategicly opportune to scare the ppl with a new threat. Leading for example to the octoberfest bombing in munich.Meanwhile the structures used remain the same. Nato had such shadow militias in all memberstates. The italian gladio was a well proven n quite massive case. The cia used the nato mission to create such sells as legitamizing tool to recrute neonazis as fighters/agents n also they did maintain their connection with sicilas mafia that was made after the invasion of south italy which already had a heroin trafficking network goin that was used for financing, the vatican bank was tied into it which laundered the drugmoney and as cherry on top the whole construct used a freemasonry lodge as it's hub to conspire. That lodge's(propaganda 2) leading mason was an actual nazi who was among mussolinis black shirts. Responsable grand loges say this was an illegitamit loge, but that was allways the easy excuse as soon their political meddling was no longer able to be hidden. What their administrative organs say is meaningless if factual the influencing of politics is well documented in masses of their internal literatur that usually doesn't find a way into outsiders hands.The coiuntless texts of some of the orders most respected members that publish celebratory articles to brag, that have 'em admitting in detail their roles in nearly every revolution in europe from france foreward. The nextlevel that is the big eye opener to how f'ed up thes spiders really are is when u hear the stuff they published up to n after world war one. The intensity n the level of desire to get this war going was insane n it was nothing they remotle "sleepwalked" into A real can of worms was the "nsu" case that got framed as a "brown raf" some claimed that this case was doctored together to act as a intelligence "Litterbox"for various cases that were unsolved or unsolvable without admitting to have done crimes or whatever reason they thought more important than doing their job or at least not the opposite. All got a narrative that is framed as a success against a highly orgsnized underground supportnetwork of a trio that alledgedly killed 10 ppl in 10 years n robbed banks in between.Two of'em die of course n the 3rd is locked up n stays silent to keep from getting eppsteined. - also a monster of a case n fishy as it gets. In brasils military regime, the gouvernment started to produce n sell bestiality porn with horses to get an early foot in the door profilacticly in a genre that had no market n request n was in many countries a crime but for some reason they were so sure that would soon get an unchecked life on it's own. They were so sure that the industry will go into that genre that they sanction official productions of one of the least accepted genres that was just not attractive in it's profitability n they strysand effected it into the public mind, today u have non of the extremest genres without brasilian presence... can't help but see a pattern here, a fundamentally flawed mindset hat ends up in selffulfilling prophecies.

Interesting video. A lot of the points you make also apply to 19th century propaganda of the deed. The German anarchist Johann Most initially supported assassinations and bombings but later changed his mind. He wrote in 1892, "to have a propagandist effect, every deed needs to be popular . . . If that is not the case, or if it actually meets with disapproval from the very part of the population it is intended to inspire, anarchism makes itself unpopular and hated. Instead of winning new adherents, many will withdraw".

@Komnen0s

Ай бұрын

Malatesta had a similar change of heart, where he started as a PotD supporter but walked back on it after seeing how those assassinations resulted in state backlash against working peoples' movements. Plus the whole thing of it making it anarchists look like violent maniacs.

@anarchozoe

Ай бұрын

@@Komnen0s Propaganda of the deed initially referred to any attempt to spread ideas via actions, especially small anarchist groups launching collective armed insurrections. This is what the term referred to when Malatesta supported it in the 1870s. He rejected this version of propaganda of the deed after it was unsuccessful several times in Italy. During the 1880s the term gradually changed to mean assassinations and bombings carried out by individuals or small groups. Then there is an assassination and bombing wave in the 1890s and Malatesta writes articles saying this is not tactically effective and, when it hurts innocent people, is immoral. The complete works of Malatesta isn't fully out in English yet but am not aware of an article where he advocated the kind of assassinations and bombings that people like Most did.

@Master00788

Ай бұрын

What is fascinating about this is that in the beginning, Ulrike Meinhof (from the German RAF) was called an "anarchist" in the news at least once. My guess is that that's because, in the 1970s these methods were still commonly associated with the old Progaganda of the deed Anarchists. In general I find the way the state has learned from these groups quite fascinating. Especially in terms of the propaganda. I find it hard to imagine a contemporary group being taken ideologically seriously in the media the way these were back then. Today, everything is simply "extremist" and these people are simply "terrorists". Nothing more needs to be said to the good citizen for them to know to be against these groups. Left or Right doesn't matter, goals don't matter, reasoning doesn't matter. All that matters, is that they are fundamentally against the way things are and that's bad. From that follows: there is no need for engaging with the content of these groups publically. The state has mastered deplatforming.

@randomspid3r142

Ай бұрын

Love your vids♥♥♥♥♥

@dennisprager4580

Ай бұрын

fed

Fun story concerning the Anti-Radical Act in Germany: my mother was baptized by a Lutheran priest who got thrown out of the church for being a communist. Yes, really.

@angryyordle4640

Ай бұрын

christian communists are a thing though. Usually it's mormons, baptists or catholics though.

@LuisAldamiz

Ай бұрын

Liberation Theology was a thing back then. Not just the most radical and communist Palestinian factions were Christian-led but a lot of activists, especially in broader base movements like those of Ireland or the Basque Country, were Christians who believed that Jesus was guiding them towards Communism and national liberation. I've met some myself, even one who converted to Islam to better support the Bosnian struggle against genocide (and also to marry a local girl).

@one-sidedrationalization1091

Ай бұрын

@@LuisAldamizLiberation Theology is still alive in the US.

@LuisAldamiz

Ай бұрын

@@one-sidedrationalization1091 - Maybe, what happens is that Christians are vanishing everywhere, so it doesn't matter anymore. Expecially not in Europe, where being Christian (leftovers) is generally identical with being right wing nowadays. Wojtila and Ratzinger made "miracles" for Satan indeed.

@Leloni535

Ай бұрын

@@LuisAldamiz converting to marry a girl seems kind of stupid

I remember reading about Japanese "United Red Army" Asama-Sansō incident and how that basically sealed far-left politics in Japan among both the students and the masses for good, by publicly being the most awful optical disaster for the left wing cause imaginable. It seems suicidal cults aren't the most efficient vehicles of proletarian revolution... 😅

@fate8007

Ай бұрын

Leftcom armchair jerking is more efficient! "they weren't really socialist"

@LuisAldamiz

Ай бұрын

Was it a "suicidal club" or rather they were "suicided" by the state, as happened with the RAF prisoners?

@eruno_

Ай бұрын

​​@@LuisAldamiz "violent self-criticism sessions for not being sufficiently ideologically pure" level of suicidal.

@HajaeKo

Ай бұрын

​@@LuisAldamiz They bunkered down in a mountain compound where the chairman and vice-chairman beat 8 members to death and tied 6 to trees to freeze outside.

@bootmii98

Ай бұрын

Or bourgeois counter-revolution in Japan's case 😂

The way modern alienation corrupts even revolutionary groups explicitly reacting to it is really insane.

@McDonaldsCalifornia

Ай бұрын

And then someone sells you something

@user-zh1th8sz2l

18 күн бұрын

I guess that's true. Capitalism sucks. But what exactly is meant by 'alienation'? I've never quite got the use of that word, presumably meant to describe whatever empty, soulless feeling overtakes you, making your way in the interminable capitalist labyrinth. And no matter what you do you can't escape that feeling. Unless it's supposed to mean something else. I think it's because people don't exercise enough. If you live a physically vigorous life, and ride your bike like, two hours every day, you're going to feel so much better. And you won't feel so 'alienated'. But it's probably something else, this elusive, inescapable alienation that apparently haunts us all. But exercise helps. You're less effete that way....

@karlscher5170

17 күн бұрын

Modern alienation like having a job and raising a family?

@DiamondRockable

12 күн бұрын

@@karlscher5170yes actually, the nuclear family and "imma get mine" mentality is intentionally alienating

@visoriannull832

7 күн бұрын

@@karlscher5170 Shocking theory, I think most people that have a job and family don't feel alienated.

Your talk about leftwing terrorism becoming more based on alienation than exploitation makes me think that there might just be a long term connection between the leftwing era of terrorism and the modern era, as people become ever more alienated by capitalist society. If you look at modern alt right stochastic terrorism, it is truly the peak of alienation, it's nothing more than a incoherent twisted hyper individialistic lashing out against an oppressor they can't even properly define, thinking that killing completely innocent civilians is a revolutionary act in and of itself. Of course these people never had any knowledge whatsoever of socialist critiques which explain the alienation they feel, since in the post cold war era socialism had become old fashioned, so they only ever had recourse to reactionary garbage on internet forums, the only place where their issues were being heard at all. Of course i believe a missing link in the chain connecting the two is the most successful form on terrorism known to mankind, islamic terrorism, which has truly revolutionized modern asymmetric warfare, and which is intrinsically connected with the anti-imperialist struggle in the middle east, but which critically is aligned with reactionary politics rather than the European left wing tradition. And historically it also makes sense, coming from the failure of postcolonial secular governments in standing up against western genocidal imperialism in Palestine and control over their resources; such that the triumph of the Islamic revolution in Iran and the Mujahideen in Afghanistan heralded a new age of decidedly non left wing irregular warfare in the region. The people joining these movements also struggle with alienation in an ever more xenophobic world in which struggle between the imperialist core and the periphery is increasingly formulated as a clash between cultural-historical foes by reactionaries on both sides. This historical decoupling of antisystemic struggle from antisystemic politics is a complex phenomenom, which is related to many other things we can observe: the western working class turning reactionary, anti-imperialist rhetoric being coopted by imperialist states, symbolic performative change being mistaken for actual systemic change, and so on. We're truly living in postmodern times

@Ouroboros542

Ай бұрын

This is a fantastic comment, really well said

@bobbiecat8000

Ай бұрын

You could say the same thing for the Philippines, frustrations with the current system which should be turned to revolutionary politics instead diverge into reactionary and chaunivist.

@csrjjsmp

Ай бұрын

If it’s about alienation then do you think alienation peaked in the 1970s and since then has gone down?

@lana_del_Rei.neet-

Ай бұрын

one thing i need to say is that i feel your use of "Individualism" is plain simply nonsensical as what you describe can be describd as atomization. Individualism isn't inherently anti materialist nor isolating.

@lana_del_Rei.neet-

Ай бұрын

@@csrjjsmp your comment feels like an intentional missreading of the original comment and shows to an extend that when you posted it you didn't watched the video. The urban guerilla movement lost steam because of a variety of reasons that go from poor tactics, bad optics, state repression, etc. This by no means is supossed to indicated that allienation has gone down but that resistance was -for a while at least- stamped out.

I would like to highlight a group the video doesn't mention: the colombian guerrilla M-19. They did several acts, from stealing arms from a military base to, years later, take the building of the supreme court of justice in Bogotá. One interesting thing is that they negotiated a peace agreement with the government,then entered politics, helped to write a new constitution and nowadays several former members are important politicians, included the president. Look it up, they have an interesting history.

@josedavidgarcesceballos7

Ай бұрын

Very true, however the M-19 being a leftist movement is debatable. Cheers.

@Santiago-lb5md

Ай бұрын

Kinda surprising he didn't mention them

@onatone

Ай бұрын

do you know any books that talk about this?

@josedavidgarcesceballos7

Ай бұрын

@@onatone there are some in Spanish. Still interested?

@quedtion_marks_kirby_modding

Ай бұрын

He prob didn't mention them cuz they weren't marxist. Most of their goals were based on returning the policies of the former dictaitor rojas espinilla (his daugther was even one of the founding members of the group).

When you speak of striking workers in the 19th century using terrorism in their strikes, it's kinda meaningless: the police routinely beat strikers to death in this era, which is terrorism: using violence to achieve the political aim of breaking the strike, and discouraging union organising.

@nickbrowning3270

Ай бұрын

Does that mean the government used terrorism to control the covid protests (Netherlands specifically)?

@mogelix3597

Ай бұрын

You'd be preaching to the choir here; terrorism in this context is not just 'the usage of terror', it's the revolutionary method that uses seemingly random attacks.

@theangrysocialist6884

Ай бұрын

yeah every liberation movement was classed terrorists Untill they won

@ericsuarez834

Ай бұрын

For people like the one who made the video all revolutions are terrorism, George Washington is a leftist terrorist

@thenoneckpeoplerepresentat8074

Ай бұрын

Police are still employed to violently break up even peaceful protests if they’re worried it’ll become a mass movement. The Canadian Freedom Convoy was a prime example of force and law fare being used to crush legitimate protests.

Overall, very good video. You’ve made a solid history of the urban guerrilla movements of the 60s and 70s, and while criticizing their clearly ineffective and self-defeating brand of individualistic adventurism, you still sympathize with their cause. The only problem I have with this video is that you don’t adequately reckon with the role that Western intelligence agencies played in the propagation of some of these groups and the orchestration of some of their more senselessly violent actions. While you do mention that they would sometimes be infiltrated and that their kind of praxis ultimately led to an increase in policing and surveillance, both generally and against the left in particular, you never connect the dots between the two. For example, you’re totally bewildered over the Symbionese Liberation Army and their admittedly bizarre actions. This group isn’t nearly as strange when you recognize that they were a very obvious intelligence front. Not once is it mentioned that the FBI ordered all of their informants within Students for a Democratic Society to back the Weather Underground faction at the 1969 convention. Also ignored are, admittedly more tenuous, connections between certain RAF and Red Brigade actions and GLADIO. Hell, even the murders committed by the Manson family were staged to implicate black nationalists. This is notable because Manson himself had ties to American intelligence and was likely a police informant. I’m not trying to claim that every urban guerrilla movement in the West was directly created by the government and that all those involved were feds(although some like the SLA almost certainly were); I’m sure that most were genuine people who genuinely wanted to do good in the world. The issue is that because of the nature of these groups (small, disorganized, disconnected from the masses), they were very easy to infiltrate and utilize toward the state’s own ends of suppressing the left and expanding the police state by fomenting a threat of domestic terrorism. They were doing this even before these groups came to be; members of Malcolm X’s security detail revealed that an informant in their midst tried to entrap them in a plot to bomb the Statue of Liberty. This kind of thing still goes on a lot today, although since the 1980s the target has largely been right wing militia groups. This is due to a number of factors including the relative destruction of the organized left, the fact that right wing militias are typically larger and more organized while still being easy to infiltrate, and the fact that right wing militias tend to have interests that are already more in line with those of the national security state. While FBI’s COINTELPRO targeted the left wing radicals of the 60s and 70s, Operation Patriot Conspiracy (PATCON) was used to target the militia movements of the 80s and 90s. Just like the state likely played a role in many of the more violent attacks perpetrated by left wing urban guerrillas, it also had a clear role in right wing domestic terror like the Oklahoma City Bombing and even more recent events like the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot. The evidence is clear, and the continued use of these tactics through the years, as well as their success in expanding the surveillance state, proves how useful these kinds of groups are to the capitalist class. Again, this video offers a good general history of these movements and a good critique of the issues with them, but it severely underestimates the direct role that intelligence agencies played.

@flannthony4257

Ай бұрын

This is a better version of the comment I just made, ha.

@OrdonWolf

Ай бұрын

Yeah, first thing I thought when he talked about the Brigate Rosse was how he failed to mention they had been infiltrated, it was American intelligences that pushed them to kidnap Aldo Moro.

@MrJMB122

Ай бұрын

So you're saying the fed's Infraturated to discredit them?

@sylviamontaez3889

Ай бұрын

so you're claiming the us government orchestrated the oklahoma bombing and the manson murders? Wtf

@woodfromthehood

Ай бұрын

👏🏻

The story from the japanese RAF in 1970 is absolutely wild

@lilnoir4213

Ай бұрын

It was the biggest inspiration for Palestinian Terrorism.

@chyeahfurries

Ай бұрын

Ikr

@angryyordle4640

Ай бұрын

free palestine from the settlers@@lilnoir4213

49:55 fun fact one of the hijackers (Moriaki Wakabayashi) was the bassist for Les Rallizes Dénudés (awesome noise rock band)

@Vauvu

Ай бұрын

best comment

@deep_fried_analysis

Ай бұрын

Huge thanks for the tip

@kimcarsons7036

Ай бұрын

who fled to north korea after the hijacking and has never been seen since!

@POSTELVIS

Ай бұрын

yeah I'm glad this got into the video!

@rimaq_

Ай бұрын

​@@kimcarsons7036 kzread.info/dash/bejne/Y4ehzK2peKnaoLg.html

"The greek radical left doesn't play games." I get why you would have that picture, but allow me to elaborate a little bit regarding the past few years. Your video is a great analysis into sentiments I generally agree, urban warfare isn't sustainable as evidenced by multiple failures. As such, the greek radical left has shifted tones over the last few years, due to a lot of circumstances. Don't get me wrong, we still had 3 bombings (1 in the ministry of labor, 1 in a training police camp, and 1 in a courthouse) in the last 3 months only, but the general public opinion has shifted a lot. The greek radical left is still highly invested into urban warfare, despite having enough agrarian population generally aligned with leftist/communist struggles. It is true that our agrarian population is divided between fascists/junta supporters and communists, but if there is any support, it is to be found there. Urban cities are mostly liberalized, with a lot of self-loathing and self-hatred for the failures of capitalism and europe. People tend to blame themselves and our "culture" for failing us, insisting that "if we were like europeans we would succeed", without any clear idea as to what "being a european" is, how to execute it, or even if it makes sense. The current political party in government (Nea Dimokratia), is taking advantage of this, by presenting an aura of Europization, progressivism etc, despite it having far-right politics and far-right politicians, including people that a few years prior were speaking highly of the Junta. There is a very clear disconnect between the politics & tactics of our gov, with the propaganda they present. Given it's catchiness, our left-wing parliament parties include such propaganda as well, with SYRIZA (somewhat left) and PASOK (moderately left), utilizing the same propaganda, that we need to become like "europe". This is highly conflicting due to the fact that most leftists in greece are disagreeing with europe and its politics, given that they completely fucked us over, and have been blaming us for their failures and the 2008 bubble, and are still doing so. Our left parties are trying to cast a wide net to catch centrists and people still disillusioned with the european dream & progressivism, despite europe showing clears signs of regression to far-right politics, including AfD (Germany) , FDI (Italia), SD (Sweden), Finns Party (Finland) etc. Our current gov is very quickly and highly escalating tensions, by utilizing an insane amount of police brutality in almost every march, peaceful or not, every strike and even in more minor circumstances, to the point where even european institutions have started paying attention. Tear-gases, a lot of unwarranted arrests, beatdowns etc. The people's perspective though is that of "finally the law is layed down", given that people think the reason we're like this is because of unlawful behavior and because again, we aren't "european" enough, given that people in europe "respect the laws". As such, far-left action is highly limited, and always presented in a bad flavour, unlike 2008, when during the major financial crisis, people were supportive of such actions. 17 years of economics crisis have lead people to believe that no struggle can win over, nothing can change, there is only decay, and we have to obey the law, become european, and stop fucking around if we want to shift tones. The greek radical left has lost a lot of support over the years due to its failures to properly incentivize people to think of a better life. Life in greece has been slowly and steadily becoming worse, the inflation has hit us like a truck, in a much worse way than it did most of europe (which we're a part of, so the only proper context to compare). Public funding for hospitals, schools, roads, everything, has gone down, while private industries keep making insane profits, to the point where 19th century analysis of class struggle make more sense than whatever europe was going through the 1960s, with a lot of people being in permanent debt, and having insanely low paychecks but insanely high living costs. Average salary is 800-900 euros, and rent has reached a peak of 400-500 in most urban centers, bills are around 150, and groceries are around 200-300 if you don't want to eat gravel or spaghetti each day. As you can tell, there isn't enough money to afford basic stuff, let alone support a more "liberal" european lifestyle that is presented as the ultimate goal of our society, given that this is just to live alone, and not with a family and have kids, or even afford doctors (our public healthcare in the last 5 years has been completely demolished). People are forced to sell their properties to afford basic necessities, and foreign capital investors are buying it up to transform them into tourist destinations, given that this is the most highly profitable sector in greece. This tourism industry has lead into a sortof colonialism, where instead of becoming conquered by war, we were conquered by economic shenanigans. People working for 1000 euro wages 6/7 or even 7 days a week, 12 hours shift, serving rich tourists that walk around like kings and queens. Most tourist destinations are insanely dystopian, with bosses in those parts expecting you to be highly subservient, agree to even paranoid demands and not speak out. This has cultivated a tourist industry where people come here to act like kings, and tourist organizations here even advertise it so. The greek radical left has failed to turn the 2008 crisis that completely decimated us into a political struggle, due to it's highly aggressive nature, and disorganized motives. They didn't "fuck around", but they fucked around in the end. It is important to mention, that KKE (our communist party), played a "defensive" role in 2008, with members of the party actively beating down protestors outside of parliament, which lead to an even bigger split of the party and the rest of the movement. In retrospective, the highly aggressive nature and disorganized fashion of the movement during those days, might have not resulted in an actual revolution, but might have ended us up with a "USA" sanctioned "democratic intervention", without an actual resistance, given that most people during 2007-2008 still might have supported intervention to get rid of our corrupt officials, which was the main point that everyone was "organizing" around, for the lack of a better word. However, our current status politically is still "controlled by external forces beyond our comprehension", so in the end nothing significant might have changed, but it might had lead up to people being more willing to participate in class struggle. Some people here are disillusioned that we are "independent" and do not recognize USA's or Europe's influence (insane), so a USA-coup might have made it more clear that we are indeed controlled by external forces.

@georgesriid4399

Ай бұрын

i somewhat agree with most of the analysis but you are wrong on the urban-agrarian divide.ive lived in various rural places and its not split as you say , not even close, its something like 50% junta enjoyers , 30% non fascist reactionaries of various flavors and 20% centrists. Its rare that youll find communists/anarchists etc here maybe 5% tops...

@atermnus1286

Ай бұрын

@@georgesriid4399 support has waned, i didn't mean to present it 50/50, bad phrasing, but it's still the only place where support exists and can be actual concrete action, unlike urban spots where support is mostly by young students that do not have a concrete answer or even plans, mostly reactionary struggle against a dying state

@KongDonkey-jo2ij

Ай бұрын

Damn Greece is fuckeddddddd not as bad as my country Somalia tho 😂😂

@georgesriid4399

Ай бұрын

@@atermnus1286 explain to me what you mean by concrete action and who carries it out , the cold war boomers that vote KKE no matter what ?

@kkounal974

Ай бұрын

They are still "fucking around" with no good coming out of it, only creating apathy in the process. You can see it in the student movement, placing an emphasis on occupation of universities to protest against private universities being allowed, as if it poses any threat to the one party controlled government lol. Predictively they only slightly delay the inevitable at the more real cost of being tainted in the eyes of the rest of the students who they asymmetrically inconvenienced. They could have tried to protest in more organised and visible ways or act on their own and use whatever institutions they have available via agreements with the staff to build programs to help their fellow students if they want to protect education but in large part they didn't. They mostly just want to see the world burn because they can't imagine a better one or try to. "Εγώ είμαι ο γκρεμιστής γιατί εγώ είμαι ο χτίστης" as the saying goes.

I think it’s important to note that in many cases these guerrillas fizzled out is because of the lack of support from the wider left. Most mass orgs disowned them and shunned them, leaving them even more vulnerable to state violence. Most of this applies to the present as well

@emkultra2349

Ай бұрын

I think its fair to also characterize it as these groups actively isolating themselves from mass organization.

@zurdochileno3230

Ай бұрын

​@@emkultra2349exactly, the SLA killing a black community leader basically made them into an even bigger joke (also their leader was a police informant)

@emmettdoylemusic

Ай бұрын

Without the support of the broader class, the support of left-wing mass orgs that were themselves struggling to really be mass would have meant little, though. The urban guerrilla turn was a response to the difficulty of building a mass organized left, so the mass organized left that existed at that time could hardly have saved these projects.

@reddancer2542

Ай бұрын

​@@emkultra2349 I really hate saying this as someone who doesn't consider themselves a nihilist... But read "Blessed is the Flame."

@stormsummerstone2908

Ай бұрын

​@reddancer2542 what is that about ?

Babe wake up new Jonas Ceika video just dropped

@reikowallach2465

Ай бұрын

OH SHIT WHAT DID I MISS??

@harryburganjr.969

Ай бұрын

Was just about to say this, because I’m literally going upstairs to wake my gf up so we can watch it.

@zlag__

Ай бұрын

literally

One student activist of this time said to me, he was proud to knew 100 Marx quotes. That was it. There was no critique other than the call for a reform of the reformist state, These urban terrorists were isolated from the start, because they couldn't even see the superficial critique of their fellow students. In France and Germany figures a whole generation of students in 1968 became figures to demand war for Human RIghts. The 1960s ended at least in Germany with the congress of Konkret in 1993, when the last standing communist Karl Held made a critique against using poems against the right and he was marked as a man of the past, a mad man. His speech is a witness of the art of rhetoric and the speech was at the same time a contradiction. What was in demand was a feel well ideology and a confirmation of identity, but not an argument. The video is on YT. This is the critique on this video when the prerequisite of the critique and state of society is almost vanishing in the haystack of historical facts. The label left was put on all groups, instead of giving an analysis of what was the critique of these groups. I'm closing here the circle to the fate of Richard Müller who gave up and became land lord, because he couldn't find a good critique. When the critique is a wrong one, wrong action will follow. The rest is a question of power.

@pinkmatter8488

Ай бұрын

I think your critique is on point here. Although the wide overview of this as a political phenomenon is interesting, it would've been better to see difference in ideological underpinnings in these different groups and how they played out. I do however agree in the overall point made by Jonas on the superiority of mass organising.

@anthonybarsness1462

Ай бұрын

Syndrome of a down you suffer from. They were arrested more because right wing, nonracial people are being persecuted against. If you enjoy resistance movements, you are embarrassing yourself for not acknowledging to one today

@bladdnun3016

Ай бұрын

@@pinkmatter8488 Given that their methods were quite similar, most of these groups didn't even come close to the point where their ideological orientations would have made any difference.

@unbearablelightness4521

Ай бұрын

This comment is a perfect summation of the contemporary Germanoid left: anal-retentive grumbling in jargony, muddled English while completely misrepresenting the purpose and argument of the video.

@unbearablelightness4521

Ай бұрын

This comment is a perfect summation of the contemporary Germanoid left: anal-retentive grumbling in a muddled, jargony language while completely misrepresenting the arguments they claim to engage with.

Its been so exciting to watch you develop as a filmmaker! The cut to the montage at the beginning is really well done! Well done!!!!

"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."

@AltereggoLol1

Ай бұрын

You realize that this is just a way to say "give me what I want or be murdered," right? Right?

@peter-johnjones5869

Ай бұрын

@@AltereggoLol1 explain...

@AltereggoLol1

Ай бұрын

@@peter-johnjones5869"those who make peaceful *taking of their wallet* impossible will make violent *taking of their wallet* inevitable. It's just a way for a violent criminal to justify violence, which is all leftists ever do.

@beyondborderfilms4352

Ай бұрын

​@@AltereggoLol1Yeah, so what's your point?

@beyondborderfilms4352

Ай бұрын

​@@AltereggoLol1Its like neoliberalism which when you think about is help the rich, screw the poor. And libertarianism is just neo feudalism with extra steps.

OMG, I had "Urban Guerilla" by Hawkwind in my head for the first three minutes... and then you actually PLAYED it! Like a BOSS!

@methinc.5294

Ай бұрын

thats how the song is called?

@d.m.collins1501

Ай бұрын

@@methinc.5294 yep! Apparently Hawkwind played a benefit for the "Stoke Newington Eight" and was inspired to make "Urban Guerilla" by hanging out with the Angry Brigade, who were literally making bombs in a basement. So I guess that would have been 1971... the single came out two years later, and suddenly coincided with an IRA bombing campaign in London. So they decided to pull the single, since the BBC wouldn't play it anyway. But then it wound up on the "Doremi Fasol Latido" album.

@methinc.5294

Ай бұрын

@@d.m.collins1501 thanks for explaining

I like that this video included that quote from Marcuse, because it goes to show just how detached from Marxism a large portion of 'the new left' has become. Marx put emphasis on that the working class itself must bring its own liberation by constituting a class for itself. I wish the video focused more on how these movements actually contridicted Marxism in a lot of ways. The tactics used by these 'urban guerrilla' cells were Blanquist, which Marx and Engels criticized. Blanquism was later sometimes used to describe Lenin's tactics, but Lenin could at most be accussed of Blanquist leanings (if that), these groups were Blanquist to their core.

@ItIsWhatItIs-dz3cu

Ай бұрын

Yeah it changed a "scientific" view for a sentimental one, and one leads to the rightwing demagoge caricature of the leftist who crys "discipline and talent is fascism!"

@mi-lo4ec

Ай бұрын

I’m curious why would you say Lenin was banquist leaning compared to the urban guerrilla cells in this video, not trying to offend I’m genuinely curious about it.

@martinpk02

Ай бұрын

@@mi-lo4ec I've said the opposite, Lenin is often accussed of Blanquism (even though he was not Blanquist), while these guerillas absolutely were

@mi-lo4ec

Ай бұрын

@@martinpk02 got it, my bad I misread it

this video became honestly my favorite video essays ever, this is just so well done and honestly very impressively made. just another jonas ceika banger i guess… ❤

This video is OUTSTANDING! From the use of period footage to the author going so far as to read and try to make sense of original documents such as the WU's manifesto, the viewer gets a more in depth picture of these groups. Most importantly, though, is the author's successful tracing of the origins of these movements from their 19th century origins and their split away from their rural counterparts. I find the self serving rhetorical distinctions they make particularly interesting, specifically that while they are beholden to their 19th century terroristic forebears, they must try to frame themselves as "armies" and "cadres" when in fact they cannot form such organizations due to the limitations imposed on them by their urban settings. Though not within the scope if this video, an interesting contrast would have been to examine the urban/rural cooperation networks that helped the various factions of the IRA in the same period. Very well done!

You have no idea how happy I am when Čeika uploads!

You forgot to mention the acts of the argentine student movements and urban guerrillas, some of them pretty impresive 1969: The Cordobazo. A mass rebelion against the military dictatorship, in which local workers took control of the city by jailing the police. Lots of student organizations joined the effort with known examples like chemistry students making bombs to throw against the soldiers approaching to recover the city. This event started a chain of "-azos" in different provinces that basically ended the dictatorship. 1969: a group named "ERP: Ejercito Revolucionario del pueblo" (revolutionary people's army. A mix of different communists but trotskists and guevarists mostly) assaults multiple buildings of the bank of the province of Buenos Aires 1970: A left wing guerrilla (but confusingly ideologically linked to peronism) assasinated Pedro Aramburu, former dictator of argentina in his home. 1972: The ERP assaults the National bank of development, stealing $450.000.000, incredible considering the bank was a few steps from the command center of the SIDE (basically the CIA of argentina during the dictatorship) 1973: The ERP asaults a barrac of the 141 battalion of the argentine army, takes complete control of the building and the soldiers inside. Steals two tons of weapons, not a single bullet was fired, not a single person killed. 1973: The ERP takes full control of the nuclear plant ATUCHA with just 13 people 1973: The ERP kills the chief of the military Hermes Quijada 1973: The ERP kills John Thompson, president of the american company Firestone and demands a ransom of 3.000.000 USD, they succed and release him intact. 1974: Montoneros kidnaps the Born brothers, heirs to the fortune of the born family and heirs of the number 1 economic group of argentina, they demand a ransom of 60 million dollars (around 260 million euros of today, according to Maria O'donell, the historian who publish a book on the subject) There are several other great attacks, particularly against the military. There's also a join collaboration between the ERP and Montoneros against the military dictatorship in 76 that ended in failure and marks the end of their actions and the start of the massive genocide by the dictatorship against students, workers and guerrilla fighters.

@TomasRepArg

Ай бұрын

Gracias por hacer mención del caso argentino.

@elmascapo6588

Ай бұрын

You forgot to mention all the civilians that they kidnapped and killed during a democratic goverment And how they got their asses clapped by an old hag that had less charisma than a rock

Great video as always. Wow, you included two points about the German postwar left that I honestly feel a little embarrassed for not including in my writings on the subject. (the trials of ex-nazi officials and the relations with the CDU chancellor to Goebbels being specific sources of the West German Left's Nazi fears) . Great stuff! Also, you left out what I find to be one of the most interesting of the New Left urban guerilla groups: Denmark's Blegingegade Gang. Like the Greeks, they were known for their professionalism but also what makes them particularly unique for these groups was that they held no pretenses of being a vanguard of revolution in their own country or being libertarian. They were third-worldists who viewed themselves as providing aid for the true revolutionary subjects in the Third World, and they did this basically by robbing banks and armories for the PFLP. Their pessimism manifested in a sort of J Sakai's settlers-esque mindset of thinking the first world was completely bought off by the bourgeoisie from the exploitation of the Third World.

@evelyncarr6421

Ай бұрын

Also, fun fact, part of what allowed the Danish group to evade capture for as long as they did is they had comrades working in the police station's computerisation department (computers being brand new at the time) where they hid certain evidence that could have led to suspicions/convictions.

another historical analysis! your series on weimar republic was great

Jonas, I just want to say that I really appreciate your work you do. As a fellow leftist, anarchist, communist, who cares about the history of these movements. I have poured over your “How to Philosophize With a Hammer and Sickle,” your perspective is very similar to mine and can’t wait for more. This one is gonna be a doozie.

@DiamorphineDeath

Ай бұрын

Fellow leftist anarchist communist? Bakunin and Marx not did get along; the individualists and egoists did not like communists either. How are you just combining multiple terms?

@thepotatogod2951

Ай бұрын

​@@DiamorphineDeathanarcho-communism probably.

@TheQeltar

Ай бұрын

@@DiamorphineDeath Western leftism in shambles.

@SvalbardSleeperDistrict

Ай бұрын

@@DiamorphineDeath Even if the author of the original comment does not mean they are an anarcho-communist, it is possible to be in support of both Marxist communism and anarchism as a transition away from the status quo. Nobody knows which form the next successful revolution is going to take, and there are those of us who believe that if it is an anarchist one, Marxists should support it, and if it is one led by the idea of capture of political power within the state before a transformation that gradually recedes the state, anarchists should support it. If the author of the above comment is one of these people, it is not contradictory for them to say they are both an anarchist and a communist.

@Birbface

Ай бұрын

​@@DiamorphineDeathKropotkin, Goldman, Malatesta... other anarchists strove for anarchist communism. It's not some term they just made up

more excellent work. i love the reaearch and insight you bring, thank you for sharing all this.

Fun Fact: The Symbionese Liberation Army was the inspiration for a videogame by Bay12 Games- the creators of Dwarf Fortress- called “Liberal Crime Squad”. The player takes on the role of the leader of the titular urban guerrilla cell while fighting both the cops and the LCS’s dreaded nemeses, the Conservative Crime Squad. The politics are…admittedly not great, kind of has a South Park vibe to it imo. Still, a fun strategy game if you’re willing to work with a purely text-based interface.

appreciate you using terrorism in it's intended way rather than how it's used to completely de-legitimize the political ideology of those who carry it out

@jesusgonzalez-acton8045

Ай бұрын

As long as you feel the same about figures like, say, Stefano delle Chiaie 👍🏽

@SenkaBandit

Ай бұрын

This comment sounds like a joke

@jesusgonzalez-acton8045

Ай бұрын

@@SenkaBanditit is, much like these people who usually are totally lacking in self awareness. They say stuff like this, only to spend a life sitting in a back office to some graduate dept, never achieving tenure. At best. Otherwise you’ll find them attending local DSA meetings well into middle age, thinking they’re a serious person all the while

Wonderful job on this, seems at times more recents events are more difficult to script than the old tales- amazing research on this, got me reading more on these groups immediately. Keep on ...

Holy heck gonna have to come back to this a few times, nice work

By far the best video on the subject!! Amazing research!!

Excellent video! One thing I would have liked to see discussed, that is related, is the case of the Years of Lead in Italy, the employment of the Strategy of Tension and the false flags attacks committed in conjunction with Operation Gladio, with government and US involvement.

@NewScottishGentry

Ай бұрын

exactly! look at the moro operation in context and it is much more likely a gladio operation than something organized by the red brigade

love this video! thank you for this so informative!

Great video but some historical imprecisions on the Italian case of Red Brigates. Moro was chosen simply because he was the easiest to kidnap among Christian Democrats politicians. He was the best among them and surely the less fascist compared to Andreotti or Cossiga. Red Brigades wanted to show their power and to reveal state secrets through this kidnapping. The State let Moro died because he was a troubling figure for the international order of the Cold War. He received some years before (can't remember when exactly) direct threats from the likes of Kissinger for his tentative alliance with the Communist. Moro death marked the beginning of the decline of Italian democracy imho

@NRWork

26 күн бұрын

Dare I say a decline in italian politics as a whole, the death of moro put the nails in the coffin of politics that completely shifted from ideals and values to money and greed. Plus the inherit rise in distrust for the political class in Italy.

@tylerbozinovski427

24 күн бұрын

Why do you capitalise the term "state"? Is this something Marxists do to avoid naming the particular state entity that they're referring to?

As an algerian who’s grandfather fought in the country side, our mouvement of urban guerilla failed considerely. We didnt won the war on the battlefied but on the field of politics and legitimacy

Amazing video as always comrade , although i hoped you would also have talked about the italian Red Brigades

@loyh5269

Ай бұрын

*unironically calling someone comrade*

@Trhrha

Ай бұрын

There’s a video about them(sort of), Italy’s years of lead, I think it was called

@leonardodisavino6166

Ай бұрын

@@loyh5269 yes , problems?

Although this profile of mine is new I have been following your work since the time when the channel was called Cuck Philosophy. This video of yours is very well done the footage and the topic were both very well researched (Your mention of Marighella and ANL in particular was a surprise to me the former Brazilian president Dilma Rousseff was enlisted in it; decades before they Luis Carlos Prestes in the 1920s led a sort of more traditional rural type Guerrilla that march across Brazil hinterlands with a semi-army of peasants and workers, but he did not succeed in acquiring the proper mass base to form a more professional army. Later during the Military Dictatorship of the 1960s he exiled himself to the Soviet Union). I thought your video in some ways very like Adam Curtis style of documentary, I wonder what you would be able to accomplish with more footage resource and a more unrestricted use of soundtrack as he does in his own films. The only thing I would point out though is that your narration would benefit from a little bit of enthusiasm, but I strongly hope you continue to work in videos like this one.

Really interesting topic! Just downloaded the video in case it gets taken down before I actually have the free time to watch the whole thing (and also for archiving purposes)

@F3XT

Ай бұрын

you have an archive?

@Reionder

Ай бұрын

@@F3XTyeah it's called my hard drive

@codemonster8443

Ай бұрын

​@@ReionderIs this the data hoarder version of "I made it the duck up? ". Probably not cause you can upload it if you want.

@Reionder

Ай бұрын

@@codemonster8443 What? I just saved it on my hard drive so that I can watch it even if it gets deleted. It's my personal archive. Your hard drive is also an archive

@F3XT

Ай бұрын

nice @@Reionder

Looking at the world today, it sure feels like all these actions were for nothing.

Thank you for this video. As an Anarcho-Syndicalist I really appreciate your opinion. I think that most (autonomous) Leftist still see "propaganda of the act" as an legitimaze act of building a second of expression to destory capitalism. In a capitalist world, people see themselfs just as an human being, who just live in the moment and interact with the capitalist tools, (allmost) without realising the toxic/capitalist enviroment. I really have a huge problem with the Left at the moment because we just don't have a Strategy today and can't even talk with someone outside of the bubble. The difference between todays Leftist and the Leftists then, is that they were at the right moment at the right place with a great Strategy bound with contemporary Tactics to build a counterrevolution or movement. Today's Leftists still thinks that burning Tesla's Power box would leed to more solidarity with their worker's but they don't understand the neoliberal tools, the firm's can play against them. So I think it's really important to reflect the System today and our Strategy. Thanks.

@claudiaborges8406

Ай бұрын

Its why any libsocs you can find making educational videos in this platform is so important. If you dont know them already, check out andrewism, anark, zoe baker, and anyone around that circle of creators like FD signifier, Dr Fatima, Shaun, Three arrows, Our Changing Climate, Unlearning Economics, etc, etc, etc, etc (cant remember anyone else right now), they’re all great and cover lots of different topics, anyone they recommend is definitely worth a look

@re6685

Ай бұрын

@@claudiaborges8406 I know allmost all of them but thank you comrade☺

i appreciate that is you showing with honesty this topics and not a passionate rigthwinger

One of your best videos yet! It's a fascinating and important topic

One man's Terrorist is seen as a another man's freedom fighter,

I didnt know how far reaching the Urban Guerilla Idea was. I knew of the brasilian origins and of the german RAF, Rote Zora and Bewegung 2. Juni (all of them being in a geographical sense close to me), but outside of them I had very little knowledge on the topic (also the Rote Zora isnt that renown even in germany) so quite helpful Video

You finally dropped the video

The 70/80s was the decades of political soldiers or political youth who sacrificed so much. Today are youth would never put themselves in danger for a cause.

@chyeahfurries

Ай бұрын

They are just not in the west

It's not strictly true that Marx and Engels only endorsed terrorist methods in the Russian context. They also became infamous among British trade-unionists for defending the use of bombs in England by Irish Republicans. This was in fact what drove the final wedge between Marx and organized labor reps in Britain, as documented by Kevin B. Anderson (in Marx At The Margins)

I'm sure some of these were genuine groups, but i'm also sure a lot of them are gladio style ops.

11 days after Kent State was another shooting at Jackson State, a historically black university in Mississippi.

Fascinating. It would be interesting in the future to study Israeli settler action against the British Palestine Mandate (comparing this with Palestinian action against Israeli settlers at the time) as well as the rise of militia movements in the US from the early 1990s. Thank you.

"The Greek radical left doesn't play games" -Jonas Ceika "Hell yeah dude" -Stavros Halkias

Generally cool video but the Red Brigades in Italy actually did have a fair amount of support from the working class (and quite large clandestine/semi-clandestine mass organisations) until the Moro incident. And the reason behind the Lod Airport attack was to assassinate an Israeli scientist who was helping make weapons for Israel, according to Mei Shigenobu (the daughter of the co-head of the JRA, Fusako Shigenobu), the attack worked but the attack was poorly planned and killed many innocents.

To translate Verfassungsschutz as "guardians of the constitution" makes them sound like a bunch of Marvel characters hahah

Noted that the name of the organization "17 of November", comes from the date the Tank entered the Polytechnic University to break the occupation as mentioned at the beginning of the video. Funny enough it is a national holiday to this day, if that isn't weird.

While I like the other points of the video, I don't like the idea of creating a dichotomy between exploitation and alienation. Alienation and exploitation are intrinsically linked, and alienation is a byproduct of exploitation, if not because through the direct experience than through its repercussions throughout society. I think this is critical to understand this because an analysis of it that doesn't would make the mistake of separating it from the broader class struggle. This was a misguided attempt at revolution by members of the working class, not something wholly different. We should be looking for what led to their failure and why they became so out of touch with what resonated with the broader working class where they could not establish the mass line. I can't quite put my finger on why exactly this point irks me so much, but I really feel like there's something deeper going on there and people will wrongly assume this shift in focus is the main cause of their estrangement rather than a byproduct of the true cause. Plus there's reason to believe the Aldo Morro thing was Operation Gladio

@aesop1451

Ай бұрын

In China, the primary objective was to beat the Japanese imperialists and the secondary one was to defeat the KMT in sequential order. Identity politics includes several objectives at once and to a large extent they are compatible with capitalism (more representation). I wouldn't be surprised if most of these professors were revisionists or straight up liberals. You can read Fundamentals of Marxism-Leninism to see what the ML interpretation of other philosophies and movements is. As the video described, most of these university activist types were petit-bourgeois nihilists. I would say their greatest contributions were anti-war activism and support of anticolonial movements, but they were unable to organize the working class in their countries because they abandoned Marxism-Leninism.

Turkey was no different. In 1971, the THKC (People's Liberation Party-Front of Turkey) guerrillas initiated a series of actions, including the kidnapping and subsequent killing of the Israeli consul. The next year they abducted three NATO staff, demanding the liberation of their comrades sentenced to death. Both endeavors failed, and the latter incident led to the deaths of the involved members and the eventual disbandment of the organization.

Thanks for making this, I’ve been preparing to write something about the cultural reception of left-wing terrorism in painting, music and literature

Another great piece of historical analysis and reporting! I am German and even attended a university course on the RAF, albeit half-heartedly, as I found it quite depressing and not really meaningful for my own political consciousness (I really agree with your summary and evaluation), and to this day NEVER genuinely questioned the Stammheim-suicide narratives! I just did a little superficial re-research and have to say, I tend to assume they were probably suicides, and think it would have been difficult to obfuscate evidence for the murder thesis until this day. However there are enough statements by involved people and inaccuracies in the reports to think there might have been some kind of secret service involvement.

As an aspiring African Nationalist: - Physical terrorist violence can never achieve long term or even mid term revolutionary goals in my opinion. Revolutionary martial force is the answer to state martial force. The 'war' and broader strategic thinking is key no matter how asymmetric the approach. - People and property are both the most valuable resources for any group. Better to subvert their functions than to burn them down ESPECIALLY since the enemy has the deeper pockets. - If logistically feasible, kidnapping is most always preferable to assassination. - Groups who are really bout it bout it, will 'liberate' actual territory and perform 'governance' to some degree. - I think the reason the BPP shook the govt so much is because they were beginning to produce/provide (at least the basics) for themselves when so much of the despair of marginalized communities comes from the lack of (group) self belief tied to begging the very state that oppresses you for scraps - There needs to be a contemporary manual for the exercise of revolutionary martial power in urban settings with emphases on high tech, data driven, highly dynamic operations a la cyberpunk. .... I always say 'The people are literally the power' the more people, the more power

@rachard

Ай бұрын

The problem is not aquisition of arms but people that wants to bear arms in your/our names lol

@PC42190

Ай бұрын

This comment hasn't enough likes. Solidarity comrade

@MikeStoneJapan

Ай бұрын

@@rachard Someone has to bear arms in your name not matter how you swing it. Rough men doing violence on our behalf so we can sleep at night, inevitable power differences between groups (of most all species) and so on. Question is how effectively those arms are used no?. Which includes how much support the armed sub-group has from its base

@MikeStoneJapan

Ай бұрын

Thx @@PC42190 No one group is superior. I firmly believe that the fight against 'oppression' is a essentially a fight against power imbalance... There will be peace at the table of the brotherhood of man when all wrongs are truly confessed and the greater part of us is raised up by the restitution of 'ill gotten gains'

@joshjonson2368

Ай бұрын

​@@MikeStoneJapan how much marxist video eassy mind jargon did you consume to actually believe in these ludicrous ideas

My lawyer has advised me to refrain from commenting on my opinions about this topic

More than anything, thanks for reminding me that Hawkwind exists. That song slaps.

Interesting topic. Can't wait to watch.

Incredible work.

This is something that immediately got my attention ever since I learned about the Red Army Faction thank you for the video

Solid bibliography and analysis. It's interesting to see that you have not included how successful factors are so often reliant upon foreign-state actor sponsorship for "sanctuary", organization, training & equipment regardless of whether those seeking change are "left", "right", "urban", "rural" or hybrid in their political structure and/or strategy of action.

This is a perfect video after having learned about the RAF and Baader-Meinhof Group recently! Keep it up!

@chyeahfurries

Ай бұрын

Totally agree I only just found out about them recently too due to some ex members recent arrests in Germany

I've really been caught in the rat race and providing for a family these past few years and have seldom listened/read/discussed revolutionary politics. Watching reality tv w/ my partner or gaming after 10+hr work days. This is a kick up the arse I need. Thx Also would like to shout out Sidney Lumet's Network which I think the cynical mindset of much of this audience will appreciate

moro was a false flag done by gladio - just like the Bologna bombing. at the most generous you could say that his kidnapping and murder was allowed to happen by the italian state, but the actual kidnapping was too organized and surgical to be done by student leftists. all i’m saying is look at all the details for yourself and ask yourself if the red brigades were really so short sighted as to allow an opportunity to bring the italian communists into legitimate power and ask who’s interests were furthered more by the kidnapping/murder of moro.

Half way video yet (really good) but it's so strange as a basque person to not see ETA mentioned in a video about this

amazing video! Please do one about the INLA and the ira in general

I remember seeing an interview with David Dellinger, a pacifist anti Vietnam war US activist who went to N Vietnam a few times as an ambassador for peace during the war. On one trip, the N Vietnamese asked him about the US militants like the Weatherman and they told him that they did not approve of them and their violent actions because if they and political violence would become popular and grow, it would lead to a crackdown by the US government on the anti war movement as a whole, which the N Vietnamese supported ,needed and benefited from in getting the US to quit fighting and pull out of Vietnam. Also, no mention of the FLQ in Quebec?

Fantastic video ! Is there room for discussion of the Peruvian Communist Party, who were near to achieving state power during the 90s and fought with the state in many urban contexts?

it’s really a shame this video barely covers the red brigades of italy, which is by far the largest armed communist terrorist organisation in the west, and differently from the others examples in the video it was linked with the workers more than the students

@Salazatl

Ай бұрын

Its the largest and more pragmatic than thenother groups that fell apart due to dogmatic and cultlike tendencies. It was the PCIs failure to read the room and follow what was happening than led to communisms downfall in Italy

man do i appreciate a good historical analysis 👌

As a student of political violence this was a 10/10 video.

It's very scary how the establishment keep evolving and the revolutionaries can't keep up with them, most of these organizations had pure intentions but with lack of mass organization and led to huge defeats for these movements. The movement now opposing the slaughter in Gaza is something that we can hope that us our generation can use it as a starting point for mass organizing in the whole world to change this dystopian world

@plaidchuck

Ай бұрын

Nope, won't happen. Look at Occupy Wall Street or even for something non-american the Arab Spring. All about as dangerous as a custard pie dropped on your face from a six foot ladder.

@JjkJjk-or9kc

Ай бұрын

Anti semites won't win

@lornm1856

Ай бұрын

Tiktok gang

Jesus man😂 when I am an undergraduate in college and just started reading William Gibson you come out with a video on cyberpunk, then when I’m doing an independent study on how to use Marx and Nietzsche together you publish a book, and now right after I abandoned writing a thesis on 70s urban guerrillas (red army faction, red brigades, Japanese red army)😂

The responses to this video are flooring me. The vast majority of people I see in online lefty spaces are just presuming its content or dismissing it based on the thumbnail, lots of people watching it just concluding its a dry history. Me? I'm taking notes about all the information contained between the lines....

Thank you Jonas and thank you Patreons!

What organisations are you guys part of? I think this analysis fits very well into the marxist understanding of the Internnational Marxist Tendency (IMT), especially the emphasis on mass action and the driving force of change. For example in Palestine, we call for an 'Intifadah until Vicotry', aka, the most succeful mass action of strikes and occupations in Palestine to be carried out until victory. Not just in Palestine, but also in the regimes that fund the Imperialism and genocide that Isreal spearheads. Really, the enemy is at home and only the working class has the power to unseat the current ruling class

I don't know if anyone else has noticed, but government repression is significantly increasing yet our tactics have not changed at all. they are literally forcing us to escalate

@goddepersonno3782

Ай бұрын

any kind of revolution or rebellion against a powerful, successful, and thriving modernist state disappeared with the advent of the mobile phone. repression will continually increase, but slowly...slowly, like 'boiling a frog' (to use the archaic analogy). We might complain of what our nations become in 20 years, but by that point a new generation will have prominence, one who has grown up in this repression, lives it, breathes it. And so a lot of noise and a whimper will be the end of rebellion. your revolution will not come until it is too late, and there's absolutely nothing you can do to change that

@Terrorkarel

Ай бұрын

If anything, that's a sign they consider us a more significant threat. If merely protesting incurs increased repression, that is apparently more than enough to threaten the political establishment. Resilience in the face of repression rather than escalating the means would make the greater difference me thinks.

@samgradyfilm

Ай бұрын

Lol. Relax, bud.

@Badbufon

Ай бұрын

whoosh

@timjkoala7556

Ай бұрын

@@Terrorkarel How does resilience change any structures in society?

What I still don't get is what do all of these militant groups have to do with apes

@MCArt25

Ай бұрын

you're still too bourgie to recognize the revolutionary potential of a well-organized gorilla movement.

@ItIsWhatItIs-dz3cu

Ай бұрын

I remember rumors of the SSRS researching half human half gorilla super soldiers, maybe it is what started the "urban guerilla" - a game of telephone😂

This is a great video and coincidentally released the same week I was independently researching this kind of stuff. Although I gotta say, I find this all very disheartening. Makes me a bit of a doomer. Like, I agree with the opinion that for revolution you need a well organised mass labour movement, but that feels so far removed from my modern society. And even when it's existed historically, it either gets betrayed by authoritarians like in Russia, or snuffed out by the capitalist state like in Japan. I can't help but feel incredibly frustrated and relate with the foolish impulse to fight back with direct action here and now. The dark fantasy of instant gratification and rebellion, rather than putting in the actual work organising in unions and mutual aid stuff to maybe change society positively decades from now (only for that to fail again too). Feels more like the seductive idea of spiteful personal revenge against capitalism, rather than a viable strategy to defeat it as a class...

That was an extremely interesting video. Surely, a lot to learn from the past.

Jesus, you te truly one of the best channels of this platform

i know it went outside the scope of the video but after talking about the Tupamaros you kinda left them for dead halfway through the video when they actually moved on and became a socdem political movement who actually did a lot of good in the country, heck, even the impact of the pandemic was lessened because of the robust healthcare system and social plans they implemented.

Lucid and well organized. Thanks for teaching me about this era

The FLQ(Front de la libération du Québec) in Canada would have been a pretty good addition to this video. Quebec nationalism is fairly distinct in that it is a mainly Left wing form of Nationalism. The 60s-70s was a very turbulent time in Quebec. Past grievances concerning the Catholic Church's heavy political influence(The first English speaking settlers in Quebec and Ontario were all Protestants so Catholicism was set up as a core part of French Canadian identity) then in Quebec and the fact that's Quebec economy was largely controlled by a small clique of the richest of English speaking Quebecker minority while French Quebeckers/"Quebecois" were pretty much exclusively working class. This resentment bubbled into Quebec Nationalism, a socialist separatist movement that swept through Quebec during the 60s and 70s. On the political front, Quebec Nationalists won the Provincial government and made a number of sweeping changes to the Province, including heavy secularization of the province, promotion of the French language and French Canadian culture, the introduction of welfare in the province of Quebec and much more. On the student front, separatist students would form the FLQ and through the 60s and 70s would commit several terrorist actions until the then Prime Minister of Canada, Pierre Elliot Trudeau would call for Martial Law in Montreal, the provincial capital of Quebec and the city where the FLQ was founded(it was city where most rich Anglophones in Quebec lived so it was where inequality was most blatant). This was spell the end of the FLQ, but not Quebec Nationalism which would create further problems for Trudeau when he brought the Canadian Constitution home from the UK to Canada and Quebec Nationalists fought for Quebec to be recognized as an autonomous/distinct part of Canada which Trudeau refused to do. The nationalists then tried to get Quebec to vote for independence to force Trudeau to the negotiation table, but they lost in every referendum which led to the decline of most extreme form of Quebec separatism. Quebec politics would then take on a more mild form where Quebec distinctness would continue to be mentioned, Quebec is still more politically secular and one of the more fiscally liberal parts of Canada outside of Ontario and Vancouver, but much of its politics would take influence from the other Liberal parties across Canada and even some Conservative talking elements, especially concerning the supposed threat of English towards French and opposition towards asylum seekers traveling through the US to Canada through the border into Quebec.

Interested in making a video about Tiqqun and communization?

Your video prompted me to watch (again) the film Baader-Meinhof Complex. I noticed that it portrayed the German media describing the group as anarchists. I wonder if that was true and how they felt about it as Im sure they felt they were Marxist-Leninist?

Basically the issue is Left Adventurism. This is the very prominent reason why Lenin disliked the Left-SR.

It's good to hear a non-Brazilian person talking about Carlos Marighella. He was definitely an interesting man for his time. Unfortunately, the DOI-COD assassinated him before he saw the Araguaia Guerilla happen. Today, he's a man who causes some debate because, on the one hand, he was a freedom fighter, and by the other hand, he was a Marxist-Leninist terrorist. Even I have mixed opinions about him. Great video!

Who has the monopoly of violence? Oh ya. The rich.

nice to see you mention marighella. Definitely one of the most interesting figures from the period of the military dictatorship in my country.

Wow this is amazing, tnx i needed this so bad

The fact that these students blamed their parents and grandparents for not standing up to the nazis is abit silly as it ignores the pain these generations took After ww1. If someone came along, solves the high inflation and cost of living crisis in modern times, even if the method was brutal, i doubt manu would oppose such a person, especially the poorer masses who don't care much for politics and only see their life standard improving.

Just a bunch of middle-class bratty baby boomers.

This has been a very interesting, informative video. I would like to propose further lines of investigation for people who are interested in similar topics: a) in México, we had the Liga Comunista 23 de Septiembre, of a very similar tactic of so called urban guerrilla through kidnapping; b) I think that the contrast with so called rural guerrilla can be further explored, especially considering that it had important representation in a contemporaneous time to these groups, with certain success, and actually outlived them. The best examples would be the Partido Comunista del Perú-Sendero Luminoso, and the Naxalite Maoist guerrilla in India.

@MatheusFernandes-xf4zm

Ай бұрын

The Peruvian group suffered the same fate as the others mentioned in the video, resulting in the election of the criminal Fugimori and his sect of fundamentalist Christians.

@felooosailing957

Ай бұрын

@@MatheusFernandes-xf4zm yes, but the difference lies in the fact that, while urban guerrilla's greatest successes amounted to conquering of small cities, Sendero Luminoso was actually able to "liberate" at one point half of Perú.