great video brah

is that you Dan? what are you doing here :)

Doug, what's our play when facing large 4bets of like 35bb - 40bb (100bb game) while holding AQ suited ? Opponent - typical TAG position CO vs (BB)

@Yilikeitthisway

2 жыл бұрын

fold. they wont have enough bluffs typically. we dont have enough odds being so shallow.

If you 4-bet to 2.5x your opponents 3bet size, how big of a percentage of your range should be bluffs? He is getting a price of approximately 1.5/4 = 37.5% to call, so should I bluff 37.5% as if it were a river spot, or is this different?

@mitchbet

7 жыл бұрын

No, you want to bluff more as you have equity with your bluffs. If you bet in that ratio you're opponent will only be indifferent to calling when it's on the river because sometimes when you bluff before the river you'll still win the pot at showdown as you'll hit good cards.

@molteriet

7 жыл бұрын

Yea that definitely makes sense, but now I have to ask: How much more should I bluff then? I mean if you want to build a reasonable range you'll need to know at least approximately what the value/bluff ratio should be

@mitchbet

7 жыл бұрын

Molteriet Good question. I'm far from an expert here though. There's the added difficulty that a lot of the hands your opponent continues with still beats value hands. Eg if you 4 bet TT+ AK for value, when your opponent has QQ they're way ahead of your value alone, let alone bluffs. So adding bluffs in this exact case will actually make it worse. My point is, this isn't a pure nuts/air vs bluff catcher scenario like a lot of river spots. Using the pot odds formula to work out bluff ratio doesn't work here like it does on the river. I wish I had an answer for you but as I said, I'm not an expert here.

Why would you 4bet call with TT in the Big blind against strong ranges that opened UTG and then 3 bet? Seems like you are at best going to be flipping with AK

@FinanceCobra

7 жыл бұрын

It depends how much they have behind, but you may be getting close to direct pot odds to call against JJ+. And the times they have AK/bluffs, it's a great situation.

@nikopakalen7342

7 жыл бұрын

You have mistaken terminology. 4 betting is done by the open raiser, when speaking about preflop. First aggressive action preflop is raise , second aggressive action 3 bet and third aggressive action, usually done by open raiser, is called the 4-bet. Also the context of this video is somewhere between 80-150 big blinds as standard starting stack in cash games is 100bb - 4 bet is usually followed by all in, call or fold at those stack depths. On the other hand 3- and 5-betting strategies as answer to open raiser (the context about which you asked your question) depend more about the position of the open raiser than you.

@Xtraderr

7 жыл бұрын

Niko Pakalen have you ever heard of a cold 4 bet?

@FiroRosso

7 жыл бұрын

I don'tunderstand. Are you saying that you put on a cold 4-bet after an UTG raise and a 3-bet? In which case, you should consider folding depending on how loose both players are. 4-betting there would be turning your hand into a bluff because you don't exactly want conitnuation (If UTG or the original 3-bettor do anything but fold assuming they're regular player you're in trouble post-flop OOP with a mid-strenght hand in a 2-3 SPR pot) If there's some dynamic involved like one of the player being a huge fish that calls anything, then I would 100% go for the 4-bet hoping to isolate one of them, but as a rule of thumb, I'm probably folding.

@DavideMassaJudo

7 жыл бұрын

How do you call the raise to the 3-bet, that is incredibly, inexplicably, unfathomably executed by another player other then the OR?...