**UPDATED** How to Grow a Chestnut Orchard - 10-years of Experience!

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This is a 10-year update on my experience growing chestnuts both from bare root seedlings and from seed. I share my experience with you so you can have a great start to YOUR Chestnut Orchard. A few of my suggestions might surprise you!
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  • @MrFarmboy151
    @MrFarmboy1518 ай бұрын

    You’ve inspired me to start my own acre plot of chestnuts just to see how they do! 2 years in, thanks for all the great content!

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    8 ай бұрын

    That's great to hear! There was very little information when I started this in 2013 which is why I started sharing my experience to at least get the conversation going about Chestnuts. Thanks for commenting & best of luck growing!

  • @haroldmessimer4949

    @haroldmessimer4949

    5 ай бұрын

    @MrFarmboy151 what “brands” did you plant? I’m at the beginning stages of planning and will plant my first round in the spring of 2024. I have a little over 8 acres I will plant over the next 2-3 year.

  • @MrFarmboy151

    @MrFarmboy151

    5 ай бұрын

    @@haroldmessimer4949I was going for more cold hardy varieties so I picked Gideon, Mossbarger, and NH pair from rt 9 as well as some hybrids from twisted tree farm, all of them have survived well but my favorite has been Gideon and the twisted tree hybrids

  • @bowhunter7565
    @bowhunter75655 ай бұрын

    This guy has such great info for us. Glad I'm doing this at 23 years old instead of 40.

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    5 ай бұрын

    Yes - you are getting a great start with a long time-horizon in front of you to enjoy the fruits of your labor! Good luck!

  • @superjeffstanton

    @superjeffstanton

    4 ай бұрын

    45 yold here agreeing with you.

  • @joshua511

    @joshua511

    2 ай бұрын

    @@superjeffstantonAlso 45 y/o, may put some chestnuts in this fall for the first time.

  • @bowhunter7565

    @bowhunter7565

    2 ай бұрын

    @@joshua511 nice! I’m only getting maybe 15-20 with tap roots starting now. Out of the 100 I’m a little disappointed but better that nothing.

  • @vincentput

    @vincentput

    Ай бұрын

    Good on you! Started at 25, 2 years ago. Best thing I ever did❤

  • @DiversifyYourself
    @DiversifyYourself8 ай бұрын

    This is a damn good overall assessment of growing chestnuts! I too have been planting and growing for 10 plus years. I’ve had all of the same issues you’ve had. Bravo on an excellent presentation!

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    8 ай бұрын

    I appreciate the compliment! Thanks for watching & commenting. Good luck with your trees!

  • @tonypenza
    @tonypenza2 ай бұрын

    Thanks John, I just planted 20 chinese chestnuts here in southern nj, great info. I planted all 20 last weekend, 3/18/24, they're 3'-4' bare roots in 48" miracle tubes in slightly acidic soil.

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    2 ай бұрын

    You are definitely in a definitely growing zone than me! I had 8 new inches of snow last weekend! Best of luck!

  • @ChrisHowellalaska
    @ChrisHowellalaska6 ай бұрын

    Right on! I planted 800 trees in 2022 on the Idaho-Canadian border, spaced at 15' rows with 10' spacing between trees. I'm expecting losses, hence the close spacing. Your video is helpful, especially the part about trees galled by the tube tops. Next year, I will have trees exceeding the 6' tubes (we have elk, so 6' tubes were chosen). Our orchard is a test case, and if chestnuts work in the northern-most part of Idaho, we'll have another useful crop. Thanks for the video.

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    6 ай бұрын

    You are really testing the limits for the trees. I like it. Fun to think about Elk cruising thru a Chestnut orchard. Glad you found a helpful tip in the video. Best of luck!

  • @CMVBrielman
    @CMVBrielman7 ай бұрын

    My family owns a farm in New England, and apparently my great grandfather was very involved with helping to fight the Chestnut blight. Watching your videos makes me think we could take a crack at running a chestnut orchard. Should be less annoying than shoveling out cow pens!

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    7 ай бұрын

    Do it! I'm not sure if Prickly Chestnut Burs are better than Cow Manure, but it is always good to diversify!

  • @kenrobinson5809
    @kenrobinson58098 ай бұрын

    Thanks John! I appreciate all of your videos that you do. I’ve been following you for about a year. I’ve got about 130 trees planted. I get a lot out of the info that you pass on. Thanks!

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    8 ай бұрын

    That's great! 130 trees is a lot of work. Best of luck as they grow. Thanks for the comment - I appreciate it.

  • @trishaplescia9234
    @trishaplescia92348 ай бұрын

    Thanks for the info. We are about 7 years behind you and in N IL. Keep on growin

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    8 ай бұрын

    You should have incredible soil and growing conditions for them. Best of luck!

  • @kmichal9648
    @kmichal96487 ай бұрын

    Spring is coming. I am about to plant 130 trees next spring. Additional 200 walnuts.

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    7 ай бұрын

    You will be busy! You’ll love it after it’s all done though.

  • @sandych33ks1
    @sandych33ks17 ай бұрын

    Great video and thank you for the knowledge you have shared. I have planted over 40 trees and add more every year in not so perfect soil. It's 5years in now and it seems to be going well.

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    7 ай бұрын

    Chestnuts can definitely tolerate not great soil as long as it is not too wet. Best of luck with your trees!

  • @johnmatherne6823
    @johnmatherne68238 ай бұрын

    Thanks John hope to see the next 10 years growth

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    8 ай бұрын

    Hoping you have the same success as well. Best of luck!

  • @trishaplescia9234
    @trishaplescia92348 ай бұрын

    very honest and accurate description, challenges and rewards, always a learning process!

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    8 ай бұрын

    Always a learning process - thanks for watching & comenting!

  • @matthewj801
    @matthewj8018 ай бұрын

    Great video John! Been following you for years and the orchard is looking awesome. All that hard work is paying off

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    8 ай бұрын

    I appreciate it - thanks for following along on my misadventures & successes. Can't wait for the next 10 years!

  • @dansmith2966
    @dansmith29668 ай бұрын

    Great video John , You have been a wealth of information to me . 2nd year in for me and Im very satisfied with our progress . Starting some more seed this winter to replace next years stinkers ! Thank you again for teaching us !

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    8 ай бұрын

    Dan - I'm glad the videos have been of some help. Good luck with your young orchard and be sure to share things you've learned with all of us along the way too!

  • @christopherlockard6346
    @christopherlockard63466 ай бұрын

    Thanks for all the information. I’m Considering planting a small 3 acre orchard. Your videos have been informative. I’m getting the soil tested next week.

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    6 ай бұрын

    Testing the soil is a great start! Best of luck with the new orchard!

  • @pamtnman1515
    @pamtnman15154 ай бұрын

    Outstanding video, very informative

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    4 ай бұрын

    Thank you - I appreciate it & am glad you got something out of it.

  • @bossman6174
    @bossman61746 ай бұрын

    Thanks for the info. It's all good. I am stratifying 20 seeds now and hope to have a tap root in Jan or Feb. Just trying to grow some for my own consumption as I think they taste nice and have good nutritional value. They also attract deer and since we hunt on this property as well it is a win win situation. If all goes well. Good luck with your bumper crop next year and hope you will find lotsa buyers.

  • @ronnielipsi8271
    @ronnielipsi82718 ай бұрын

    Thanks, John. Good information and expectations ... 👍

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    8 ай бұрын

    Thanks for watching & commenting. Best of luck growing!

  • @johnwhoissavedbygrace9975
    @johnwhoissavedbygrace99757 ай бұрын

    I literally 1) almost moved up to Erie (Corry area) *this* month and 2) am a TACF member and plan on owning a chestnut farm AND 3) my name is John!!!! I feel like I am watching what I could have been if I wasn't stuck in Philly lol

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    7 ай бұрын

    We have a lot in common!! We’ll have to meet up!

  • @aaronwoods5900
    @aaronwoods59008 ай бұрын

    Nice work John! I agree with what you said re spacing, diversity, and mortality. I have found that if spring planting watering and some kind of weed barrier drastically reduced mortality. I am going to experiment with cages. Tubes have worked great but the trees are weak early on. I think the tubes protect a little too well

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    8 ай бұрын

    The wire cages are a lot more work up front, but way less work later on. The tubes are a good 2nd choice, but I think you'll get a stronger tree if you start with the wire cage. I think I would have had less mortality if I used herbicide or a weed mat. Just choices I had to make and results I've had to accept. Thanks for commenting. Best of luck growing!

  • @soonzach4017
    @soonzach40176 ай бұрын

    I am a new subscriber, love chestnuts 👍🙏

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    5 ай бұрын

    Thanks for subscribing!

  • @thelimitingfactor
    @thelimitingfactor8 ай бұрын

    Nice work man!

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    8 ай бұрын

    I appreciate it - thank you.

  • @phat7242
    @phat72426 ай бұрын

    Great video!! Thank you for this

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    6 ай бұрын

    You're welcome. Thanks for watching & Commenting!

  • @richardbryant5773
    @richardbryant57735 ай бұрын

    Very informative thanks

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    5 ай бұрын

    Glad you found it helpful! Good luck growing!

  • @briancass5124
    @briancass51245 ай бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    5 ай бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @MrSummerbreeze01
    @MrSummerbreeze016 ай бұрын

    Interesting video & I agree with you on the wire screens vs tubes. I live in central NYS and as a tree growing novice, I planted 5 American Chestnuts 18 years ago. 2 died within a few years due to , my guess, high pH. A third was rubbed out by a deer around year 8 and other species shaded out its resprouts. The 4th was hit hard by frost around 10 years ago but it resprouted from the ground and grew very fast ( 3 stems now ) because i started giving it some Miracid and or Ammonium Sulfate around May 15th every year. Unfortunately 4 years ago one of the stems which was 20' tall got blight so i cut that one off. Two years ago the next stem, which was a beautiful 25' 6" dbh sapling got blight and i cut it. Now i just noticed the orange bubbles on the remaining stem. Too bad because it is at least 30' tall and 7" dbh. My last tree has produced chestnuts for a few years now which the squirrels get way before they fall. Its around 25' tall and 6" dbh. I am sure its days are numbered however.

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    5 ай бұрын

    I haven't planted American Chestnuts to avoid exactly this heartbreak. Even with Chinese hybrids, I've still lost a few promising trees due to blight.

  • @revan1202

    @revan1202

    2 ай бұрын

    Don't give up on the American chest nut though some die you're helping nature by weeding out the weak nature is like that and if you can keep at help them when you can and get that one tree that has the immunity you're doing Gods work by fixing what humanity should have known better. I plan on doing exactly that any tree that avoided or at least fought the blight I plan on making sure that line goes strong.

  • @bluemoon-iq5fh
    @bluemoon-iq5fh11 күн бұрын

    well done great job.

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    9 күн бұрын

    Thank you & great KZread name!

  • @stevegaines-vq3bd
    @stevegaines-vq3bdАй бұрын

    excellent, informative video....i just planted 3 fruit tress & want to plant maybe 20 Chestnuts, but have to clear the area of big cedars & red oaks......You say, the best time to plant is early to mid April, I'm in Southern Ohio....& i'd probably plant bare root plants, not from a seedling....bare root is probably easier...& i'll use wire cages as i have a lot of deer around me...thank you !

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    Ай бұрын

    Bareroot is DEFINITELY easier. Good luck!

  • @gocoltsus
    @gocoltsus8 ай бұрын

    Great content John! Hope you are well. Doug W

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    8 ай бұрын

    Thanks Doug! - are you an old HS Classmate of mine?!

  • @gocoltsus

    @gocoltsus

    8 ай бұрын

    Yes sir.

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    8 ай бұрын

    Awesome! Hope all is well with you. Still in IN?

  • @404crew4
    @404crew46 ай бұрын

    I am located not far from Columbia, MO where that Agroforestry paper was published. I’m currently year 3 into 3 acres of black walnut. I’m looking to do another 8-10 acres in chestnuts. Great info. I agree with the wire vs tubes as well.

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    5 ай бұрын

    I intend to grow some additional chestnuts this year paying close attention to limiting vegetative growth near the base of the tree and using wire cages. I'll document their growth. Good luck with your Walnut & Chestnut plans!

  • @404crew4

    @404crew4

    5 ай бұрын

    @@johnsangl how do you plan on combatting the vegetation? I just bought a good sized wood chipper just to help clean up certain fence rows and such. I’ve tossed around the idea of applying a thin layer of shredded leaves and wood chips.

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    5 ай бұрын

    @@404crew4I’ll experiment between landscape fabric and glyphosate to keep vegetation clear. Bark mulch can be problematic as it encourages voles to move in and they’ll eat all your young trees roots in the winter and it will be dead the next Spring.

  • @404crew4

    @404crew4

    5 ай бұрын

    @@johnsangl thanks for the advice, I’ll look into economical options on landscape fabric.

  • @BroadShouldersFarm
    @BroadShouldersFarm8 ай бұрын

    Great vid!

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    8 ай бұрын

    Thanks! I appreciate it.

  • @markzwyghuizen9566
    @markzwyghuizen95662 ай бұрын

    Thank you!

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    2 ай бұрын

    You're welcome - thanks for watching!

  • @NKYHoneyBees
    @NKYHoneyBees4 ай бұрын

    Excellent!

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    4 ай бұрын

    Thanks for watching & commenting. Appreciate the compliment.

  • @gpvaneron1584
    @gpvaneron15846 ай бұрын

    Excellent tips, thanks for the video! We are in W NC at ~3500 ft elevation. Have a thriving and productive hazelnut grove. We planted a few chestnuts "colossal" and "silverleaf" (think asian x european cross?). Worried about that note on graft failure. Do you have any experience with these? They seem to be growing OK overall when protected from deer, far from production ready. They do get some browning of the leaf edges, maybe rust? Do you think we should stay on course ? Or switch to a more pure asian variety like the Shing?

  • @jeff-hh9mc
    @jeff-hh9mcАй бұрын

    Two questions. 1. What about growing gideons? 2. What about marketing / selling said chestnuts the pain of growing and keeping them alive doesn’t mean much if you can’t market the product? Look forward to your update on that.

  • @pjchmiel
    @pjchmiel6 ай бұрын

    Wow, check out how the prevailing winds have bent the trees over at 6:00 ! Will be interesting to see those in another 10 years. I had mostly bad experiences with the corrugated plastic tubes, I no longer use those for anything.

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    6 ай бұрын

    Yes - I'll be very interested to see how the trees look in 10 more years. They definitely seem to be toughening up quickly now that they're out of the tree tubes.

  • @deanmarskell1518
    @deanmarskell15186 ай бұрын

    Hiya John great video very interesting and informative not far from my home in the UK their is a chestnut tree on a public cycle route this year I collected some chestnuts to try and plant when they are stratified but they are very small are they worth trying to plant or could something be wrong with the tree causing them not to develop to larger nuts?

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    6 ай бұрын

    I don't have as much familiarity with C. sativa which I'm guessing are the species you're finding. If the nuts taste good, I'd plant them and not worry about the size as much!

  • @robh1789
    @robh17897 ай бұрын

    Very good overview. I am planting a range of trees and plan on including some chestnuts here in New Brunswick. Any thoughts about the best soil amendments if the native soil is too alkaline? I find the recommendations on this to be surprising (recommended pH range). Where I grew up in the south of the UK we were on chalk and the soils very alkaline yet there were huge chestnut trees all over the place and they were very healthy.

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    7 ай бұрын

    From everything I've read, chestnuts(at least Dentata/Mollissima) will start to suffer more disease & growth problems at any pH above 6.5. I have soil that is naturally in the high-5's, so I don't have to worry about that. If I had alkaline soil, I would choose another crop.

  • @donaldwalker3838
    @donaldwalker38383 ай бұрын

    John i have seen many of your videos. Here in Wisconsin we have acidic soils in the north. More alkaline soils near Lake Michigan. Have you ever considered 8 ft spacing to grow chestnut poles. Far preferable to treated lumber. A nutty idea on my part. Bad pun. Thankyou John

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    3 ай бұрын

    Elaborate a little further - growing chestnut trees to eventually make them into fence posts?

  • @dejant9939
    @dejant99398 күн бұрын

    Thank you. New to your channel. I have really enjoyed the video. What would be your thoughts of growing wheat or a similar culture in between? How about clover or berries? Thank you for your presentation.

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    8 күн бұрын

    Wheat would probably require more tillage than I'd be comfortable with. Clover/berries would probably be fine.

  • @cloudbase7799
    @cloudbase77992 ай бұрын

    It's sad to think that billions of American Chestnuts were lost to mistakenly-imported parasitic fungus. It's also sad to consider the fallout, direct and indirect. I'm happy to see the efforts of many people to reestablish the American Chestnut. I hope it makes a comeback in a big way.

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    2 ай бұрын

    It IS sad! However, it is in the nature of humans to move trees around the Earth and has happened for millennia. I am also happy to see efforts of humans to attempt to get a resistant American Chestnut & I'll plant hundreds of them if they are avail in my lifetime.

  • @YouTuber-ep5xx
    @YouTuber-ep5xx6 ай бұрын

    Good stuff. Yeah, fencing is key. Wish I'd started with 6' 4"x2" held with one 6' rebar. Have 90 species growing here in MN, including a few Dunstans, which are basically shrubs due to die back.

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    5 ай бұрын

    Isn't it fun experimenting with all the different trees? Which species have done best for you in MN?

  • @YouTuber-ep5xx

    @YouTuber-ep5xx

    5 ай бұрын

    Tamarack, yellow birch, sycamore, sugar maple, white fir, pitch pine and others have done well. Tuliptree is the superstar. Sassafras, pawpaw, shortleaf pine, yellowwood, American beech, Osage Orange haven't done so well. Always interesting and fun, 8 years now....@@johnsangl

  • @andrewrivera4609
    @andrewrivera46092 ай бұрын

    Thank YOU John for sharing such good information, is it posible to raise pigs and feed them with the chestnut pods ???????? As they do in Spain with the black pig but with another pod ?????? I appreciatte

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    2 ай бұрын

    I’m sure it’s possible - but you’d need to supplement with other food outside the chestnut harvest season.

  • @andrewrivera4609

    @andrewrivera4609

    2 ай бұрын

    I worked 3 years raising bees in the countryside and has opened My eyes to an Excelent source of protein & Omega 3, Mealworms, You can feed Birds, cattle, reptiles or fish, there are some good vídeos on KZread. Another important source of protein are earthworms, I've heard the Red California species are among the Best, they can be fed on manure, wood chips, leafs,kitchen wastes,etc, besides worms You get hummus to fertilize the plants, You could dig some 4" holes beside the trees and put some plastic 4" tubes with some 1/2" holes in the bottom, You can soak woodchips & manure and put them in the pl tubes with some worms, in this way the trees can be fertilized and recieve oxygen.

  • @jackjones9460
    @jackjones946025 күн бұрын

    May I sign up for some trees or even just nuts this fall? I’ve enjoyed chestnuts when overseas then when I learned they’d almost all died off but are now making a comeback I decided to grow as many as I can. I can’t even find local chestnuts at all around here! I bought about 15 Dunstan trees at $15-35 each plus some Chinese seeds (from Long Island) I may be sprouting in the fridge. Some have sprouted so we shall see! I’d prefer to grow Dunstan if I can but any growing base is fine with me!

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    16 күн бұрын

    I hope to be able to sell chestnuts this Fall. Follow me on this channel & I'll make an announcement in late August once I see what kind of crop sets.

  • @loquat44-40
    @loquat44-408 ай бұрын

    My mortality has mainly been from planting in very wet and shaded places. The higher parts of my property are also the wettest. There is adjacent land that is higher than mine and it took me awhile to understand that the water was moving underground and on the surface. Everything is on a slope. I did accidentally mow my native local chinquapin, but it has grown back. Relative to rabbits, they seem to leave my trees alone and my dogs chase them. I shot two rabbits this summer from the tractor with a .small .38 loaded with shot intended for water moccasins. The deer stay on the other side of the fence and so far no bears or feral hogs have trespassed that is likely because of the dogs. We are warm enough in NW FL zone 8b for asian persimmons and several trees with fruit are being decimated by birds and squirrel that the dogs rarely catch. I also have native local persimmons and also grafted american persimmon. All of asian persimmons were grafted to local rootstock. I do not have a cat any more after little guy did it in. Little guy is not little as when he was a puppy He never liked the cat but he will not chase a deer. He is traditional southern farm dog that were called white english and are being replaced by american bulldogs and foreign LGD. So they are not pure with each region or family with their own strain and he is a mixture of several strains. Long oversize mastiff head, but a long thin big boned body. He is sleeping at my feet; in an hour I will put him and his mother miss piggy out to guard the property and keep the third dog that has injuries inside tonight. My current adult three dunstans and unknown chinese like the soil where they are located and that area seems not to be water logged. We get about 60 inches of rain here.

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    8 ай бұрын

    Amazing that the trees survive in such different climates! I enjoyed reading through your comment and about fell out of my chair with the comment about riding with a .38 loaded for WATER MOCCASINS!! Get me out of there - haha!! Sounds like your dogs are perfect for protecting an orchard! Thanks for commenting - best of luck growing!

  • @loquat44-40

    @loquat44-40

    8 ай бұрын

    @@johnsangl The latter half of the development of the Dunstan Chestnut was in Florida. Chestnut Hills that sells them is in Florida. ''In 1962, seedling trees from the first cross began to bear. Selecting the individuals with the most hybrid characteristics, Dr. Dunstan crossed them back to both the American and Chinese parent trees. The resulting second generation was moved to Alachua in north central Florida, on our nursery property, where the trees have been growing and bearing every year for almost 50 years! These hybrid trees have been grown throughout much of the eastern United states, and almost none have died from the blight. Starting in 1984 we planted a grove of 500 trees using both grafts from the best of the second generation trees and a third generation of seedling Dunstans, many of which are now over 50′ tall and 16-20″ in diameter.''

  • @STROKEDYOTA
    @STROKEDYOTA5 ай бұрын

    Thanks for this. Question though, if one of the benefits of tubes is to keep the tree from branching out, I assume you lose that benefit when you use cages and have to prune young trees to a single stem?

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    5 ай бұрын

    Yes - I'll probably end up pruning more.

  • @markzwyghuizen9566
    @markzwyghuizen95662 ай бұрын

    In your experience, how would these trees do in northern lower MI ? The soil is perfect, I’m just concerned with cold/snow. Thank you!

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    2 ай бұрын

    You'll never know if you don't try. I'd go with known cold-hardy varieties such as Mossbarger to give them their best chance of survival.

  • @Singergirl134
    @Singergirl1347 ай бұрын

    Do you think #3 or 3/8 inch rebar is strong enough for staking the metal mesh cages?

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    7 ай бұрын

    I'd go with the 1/2" as a minimum diameter although you might do OK with 3/8" if that is all you have.

  • @baileyayers4271
    @baileyayers42716 ай бұрын

    I’m thinking about starting a 5 acre orchard with American hyrbrids I’m in the mountains of NC, you see things about making up to $35,000 a year per acre but I was wondering what the realistic profit is through the years of growth per acre?

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    6 ай бұрын

    I can only tell you what I'm making at 10yrs in NW Pennsylvania and that is negative dollars. I do foresee improved finances in the near future with improving yields though.

  • @stefanr570
    @stefanr5708 ай бұрын

    John, thank you for this excellent and informative video. I am looking to buy some bare root trees this winter (by mail order). Primarily Chinese varieties since I just want them for eating by ourselves. Can you give us the some names of sellers you have done business with? Stefan

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    8 ай бұрын

    I've purchased bare root trees only from Route 9 Cooperative in Carrolton, OH. They are doing very well. Depending on where you live, I've also purchased a few grafted trees from Burnt Ridge Nursery in Washington. Be careful buying from Burnt Ridge if you're on the East coast/Midwest though - make sure you avoid European trees that will have more blight susceptibility. Best of luck growing!

  • @stefanr570

    @stefanr570

    8 ай бұрын

    ​@@johnsangl I just had my first harvest from four trees that I raised from seeds that I bought from a nearby Farm. I started with 12 seeds and four trees are left. Most were lost due to squirrels and deer. Located in North Georgia. These chestnuts are excellent to eat! From their appearance, they are full or mostly Chinese variety. That's all I know. Good advice on not buying a European variety. I'll stick with Chinese. I do not want to start from seed again so I'm going to try to buy some bare root trees. Thank you for your reply and your videos.

  • @stefanr570

    @stefanr570

    8 ай бұрын

    ​@@johnsangl I meant to add that my four trees are seven to eight years old and I collected about 130 chestnuts from them, plus several dozen unfertilized kernels, and the taste was excellent. So I was pretty happy.

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    8 ай бұрын

    Very nice harvest for sure! Sounds like you avoided the late frost!

  • @krismatthieu8767

    @krismatthieu8767

    2 ай бұрын

    I don't know if you're familiar with Bone Sauce but it really works ! You can buy it or make it yourself . I don't have any cages around my fruit trees. The deer did not touch them even though the apples were at eye level. It smells super nasty ! @@stefanr570

  • @joshoakes1737
    @joshoakes17376 ай бұрын

    Have any idea how a crop of chestnuts would do in upstate NY? I don't see a lot of them ever around my area..

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    6 ай бұрын

    You would be pushing the Northern limits of chestnuts. You would want a proven performer in freezing temps. Schlarbaum and Mossbarger are two options that come to mind as something to potentially try.

  • @davidsoloninka7742
    @davidsoloninka77425 ай бұрын

    Hi John, I am in SE Ohio and I have an orchard 36 very healthy 12 year old chinese chestnut trees. The nut crop has been very sparse the last two years. I prune a little, I do not spray or fertilize or lime. Should I fertilize? Should I spray? I do keep the ground clear under the tree out a little past the drip edge. The male catkins have been very plentiful, however, I've notice dthe small female burr's have been sparse. Any advice is appreciated. PS 3 yrs ago the trees produced very well???

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    5 ай бұрын

    How close/far apart are your trees? If they're further apart than 30ft, the wind-pollination may suffer. What varieties of trees did you plant? Are they chinese? If they are, you should be OK as far as having pollination-compatibility. It may be that your trees are still very young and will produce more reliably as they grow in maturity. I would NOT lime (Chestnuts like acidic soil). If you have 12-18" of upward growth yearly, you are probably OK and won't likely benefit much from fertilizing either. Last Spring, the late May frost really harmed the harvest across the East. I am anticipating a much improved crop this coming year. Good luck!

  • @davidsoloninka7742

    @davidsoloninka7742

    5 ай бұрын

    OK thx John.

  • @christostsiatsos5160
    @christostsiatsos51607 ай бұрын

    Nice information, BUT..! You did not mention anything about grafting or diseases. I live in Europe, Greece, with a long history of chestnuts and the problems of diseases .. After the grows to a certain height, it must be grafted or else the nut will taste bitter. I realize that the ones that are purchased from the nurseries. are grafted but the ones you grow from a nut are nut the same ... Or have you discovered something around the grafting of these home-grown siblings?? I enjoyed your video and was hoping to pick up some new information...

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    7 ай бұрын

    Sorry I’m not able to provide much insight into growing chestnuts in Southern Europe. This is more of my experience growing in the northern US, not Europe. Grafting is NOT a viable option where I’m located due to the mentioned delayed graft failure we experience. I mentioned blight, deer, voles and other problems. I’ve yet to experience gall wasp so didn’t mention that. Our nuts are primarily Chinese(mollissima), not sativa so we don’t have the same problems you might experience in Greece.

  • @curtmorehouse1
    @curtmorehouse16 ай бұрын

    Where can i get these different strains of chestnuts? Do you sell them? Im not looking for a whole farm, but four of each variety would be great!

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    6 ай бұрын

    I have some seedlings of various varieties but no grafted varieties.

  • @curtmorehouse

    @curtmorehouse

    6 ай бұрын

    Are you selling them?

  • @bowhunter7565
    @bowhunter75655 ай бұрын

    Id be happy to purchase some chestnuts from you in the next few years if you get the amounts to do so.

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    5 ай бұрын

    I'm hoping that the next few years will see an exponential increase in harvest size. I'll make announcements on this channel if I do get them.

  • @davidsoloninka7742
    @davidsoloninka77425 ай бұрын

    Do u use rot resistant stakes? If so what r they? Thx

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    5 ай бұрын

    I use two types of stakes. I either use 1/2" rebar cut to 5ft lengths or a 5ft treated pine stake.

  • @MichaelYuhas
    @MichaelYuhas7 ай бұрын

    What gauge wire? Any recommendations on what to search for at my store?

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    7 ай бұрын

    Not sure what gauge, but this is what I use: www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/welded-wire-48-in-x-100-ft

  • @littletreefarmns
    @littletreefarmns4 ай бұрын

    Would you fence the 25 acres or each tree?

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    4 ай бұрын

    I like to work w nature as much as possible so I’m fencing trees individually rather than closing off the entire area.

  • @johnscarboroughregenerativ7240
    @johnscarboroughregenerativ72407 ай бұрын

    Where is your Grove-Orchard located?

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    7 ай бұрын

    Corry, PA. USA.

  • @kmichal9648
    @kmichal96483 ай бұрын

    Just planted 80 bitazac 8 marval Good luck

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    3 ай бұрын

    That’s a lot of work! Where are you located?

  • @kmichal9648

    @kmichal9648

    3 ай бұрын

    @@johnsangl Slovakia :)

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    3 ай бұрын

    Wow!! Best of luck with your trees!@@kmichal9648

  • @jedadruled984
    @jedadruled9845 ай бұрын

    Keeping grass and weeds away around the trees, especially in the early years, will make trees grow better. Spreading new roots goes difficult between grass roots. The bigger the circle without grass, the better trees grow. Once tree roots have spread far out grass is less of a problem.

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    5 ай бұрын

    I agree-especially with young trees. The balance is how much time do I spend on the trees and how much with everything else in life? Also - how to keep grass away? Mulch is good but is time-consuming to place, spray is quicker - but then you're using herbicide which I am trying to avoid.

  • @jedadruled984

    @jedadruled984

    5 ай бұрын

    @@johnsanglKeeping it clean by hand is a lot of work indeed, but that how they did it in the past here in the Netherlands for growing premium fruit. I think mulch is not idealm because it may make the soil low in oxygen. Herbicides is not a bad solution, but you gotta know what you're doing. I have 6 fruit trees and prepared the soil before planting, Spading manure and fertilizers in, making a little hill for each tree and kept it clean by hand, roots develloped fast and now 9 years later they are full canopee and giving fruit. Looking at the canopee is a way to see how happy the tree is. Best when its full of leafs and no sun going trough.

  • @superjeffstanton

    @superjeffstanton

    4 ай бұрын

    Answer: Mulch and Sorrel/vetch

  • @rmh3093
    @rmh30935 ай бұрын

    Hi John, do you have a way I can contact you? I live close to you in Guys Mills and was hoping I could get some seeds or seedlings from you.

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    5 ай бұрын

    lakeeriechestnuts@gmail.com

  • @NKYHoneyBees
    @NKYHoneyBees4 ай бұрын

    Now you need you a few hives there to pollinate and collect very high prized honey.

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    4 ай бұрын

    I can't take on any new hobbies such as beekeeping but maybe someday I'll work with a apiarist and collaborate with them to do so.

  • @christopherlockard6346
    @christopherlockard63466 ай бұрын

    Where do suggest getting the seedlings from?

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    6 ай бұрын

    I've obtained bareroot trees from Route 9 Chestnuts in Ohio & from Burnt Ridge Nursery in Washington. They've done well. There are other smaller resources around as well. Their reliability & quality varies. Join a Facebook Page called "Chestnuts as a tree crop - Castanea species nut trees" and ask for sources & you'll get a lot of information.

  • @christopherlockard6346

    @christopherlockard6346

    5 ай бұрын

    Thank you, Seedlings have been ordered. Qing and mossbergers, for central KY. Planning on using 6’ tree tubes, I have a big deer problem. Was considering adding a wire cage as well. Is this over kill? Planting around 70 trees in early May. Appreciate any advice.

  • @keithraeder7612
    @keithraeder761212 күн бұрын

    John , I'mm inspired as well, can I buy chestnuts from you? When is the best time to purchase the chestnuts if I want to stratify over the winter 2024, to plant in spring 2025? Unfortunately, I'm not of facebook

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    12 күн бұрын

    Late September/October would be the best time to purchase chestnuts for stratifying. I'll make some announcements via YT around that time if the crop turns out as good as I'm expecting.

  • @ethanraw1132
    @ethanraw11328 ай бұрын

    I’m on year five I have lost 5 out of 40 dunstan , I got them on sale root bound trees I have a few that are 20’ pluse

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    8 ай бұрын

    You are having great success!! None taken out by deer yet? Did they produce anything this year?

  • @ethanraw1132

    @ethanraw1132

    8 ай бұрын

    @@johnsangl the ones I lost were one mole 2 to wet feet one. Was blight and deer mix and I don’t really know why the other died , I’d say 60-80 nuts on most trees , I put ashes as fertilizer three feet from the truck I’ll have to send you a picture of the biggest ones there is one that has almost 6” diamet

  • @cbvickers4044
    @cbvickers40442 ай бұрын

    Life long gardener/volunteer.....running joke....I get this question all the time, "When is the best time to plant a fruit tree?" My response is always - 10 years ago. 😅

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    2 ай бұрын

    Exactly!

  • @algonquin83
    @algonquin833 ай бұрын

    Hi can it buy some american chesnut saplings off you ?

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    3 ай бұрын

    Sorry - I don’t grow any pure American chestnuts.

  • @tomgable1650
    @tomgable16502 ай бұрын

    You can plant them at 30 ‘ and on third year transplant every other tree

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    2 ай бұрын

    Lots of options for sure.

  • @timcastle6996
    @timcastle69966 ай бұрын

    How are the chemtrails affecting your trees with the excess aluminum and barium?

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    6 ай бұрын

    I don’t understand your question? What is a chemtrail?

  • @timcastle6996

    @timcastle6996

    6 ай бұрын

    @@johnsangl the national geological society is allowing the spraying of our atmosphere " to combat climate change" . Do to so many complaints, they have explained they will be focusing heavily in our area for the next 6 months. Airline are being paid to spray per gallon as they travel. I was curious is you are seeing sickness like we are. After spraying heavily for a week, we see heavy sickness in chickens and cattle here, also people. Was curious if you see it effecting the trees. Air testing shows heavy aluminum, boron , along with other chemicals. I can't tell for myself other than fruit tree die off seems higher this year than previous

  • @donaldwalker3838

    @donaldwalker3838

    3 ай бұрын

    Garbage. Not true

  • @neokane
    @neokane8 ай бұрын

    Dont forget racaoons who will tear into your tubes to get the wasp larvea

  • @loquat44-40

    @loquat44-40

    8 ай бұрын

    In our area the armadillo will take yellow jacket nests and so I assume if they can reach they would tear up things for wasp nests. I have never used the tubes since want the trees as near the ground as possible due to high winds from hurricanes. I hope we are completely missed this year. But not till the middle of Nov will we be past hurricane season in NW FL.

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    8 ай бұрын

    I've heard of the raccoons but to my knowledge haven't had that problem yet. I have had a few wasps & of course, the one bald-faced hornet nest build inside the tubes. Lots of fun!

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    8 ай бұрын

    Interesting to hear that Armadillos eat yellow jacket nests!

  • @loquat44-40

    @loquat44-40

    8 ай бұрын

    @@johnsangl IIRC so can bears and perhaps raccoons too.

  • @briancass5124
    @briancass51245 ай бұрын

    Thanks!

  • @johnsangl

    @johnsangl

    5 ай бұрын

    Thank you Brian - I really appreciate it. Hope the info helps!

  • @briancass5124

    @briancass5124

    5 ай бұрын

    @johnsangl Andover ny. Going to try county tree arbor surplus to start new chestnut trees with bees wax infused soil.

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