World: is in pandemic Tech youtubers: ah yes *xeons*

@NightMotorcyclist

4 жыл бұрын

What better way to spend a lockdown than playing with Xeons and other tech hardware?

@MJ-uk6lu

4 жыл бұрын

You can use that for Rosetta@Home

@mwnciboo

4 жыл бұрын

World: is in a panic Geeks: Its only a virus --- Geeks: OMFG NO! FML - TURN IT BACK ON World: its only the Internet

@adventureoflinkmk2

4 жыл бұрын

@@NightMotorcyclist right? I got a xeon e5-2687w v2 coming soon

@flotfriedmeisenmann768

4 жыл бұрын

lol so true

Bought me a gtx 750ti 2gb which had a vbios failure for 25$, reflashed the gpu back to normal. What a bargain!

@tusharsarode4546

4 жыл бұрын

I got gtx 950 for 30$ i thik that worth it

@macolaroki3386

4 жыл бұрын

how u flashed bios on nvidia Gpu?

@Zenefor

4 жыл бұрын

@@macolaroki3386 With nvflash.

@tobiwonkanogy2975

4 жыл бұрын

2 gig poggers , just tried to buy a 1 gig , guy wants 100 still

Coronavirus vs Phil's Computer Lab. My money's on Phil.

@shaneeslick

4 жыл бұрын

Gaming PCs that are Lab Tested to keep you entertained during Isolation 😁

It's really a good CPU for these reasons: 1. Older games. Because they use 1 thread. 2. Emulators. It's one of the best price/performance options for emulatots like CEMU, Dolphin, pcsx2 and older. Of course you can find better CPU for that but the price would double. 3. It doesn't suck in modern games, for its price at least. 4/8 cpus are not dead despite what some youtubers say.

@rhyzon

4 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately the youtubers you mention believe the majority of people are over the 1080p / 60 fps standard, when that couldn't farther from the truth. Actually, if we consider the entire world and not just some 1st world countries, most haven't even achieved such standard.

@kruxdt6307

4 жыл бұрын

@@rhyzon the only 1080p devices I have are my phone and tv lol

@suiken3149

4 жыл бұрын

@@rhyzon Actually encountered some here in my country that rode the 60fps high horse. I told him that not everyone can afford a 300 dollar Ryzen build for brand new. Even if they could, they have to pay it through installment. I am encouraging some of the poor PC gamers to keep their PCs while some elitist are telling them to ditch their old PC build and get a Ryzen, lol. I mean have they considered the financial situation of people who only earn 10 dollars per day?

@rhyzon

4 жыл бұрын

@@suiken3149 they haven't. The majority of tech KZreadrs either are or cater to US viewers, since these are the ones who pay more per view (AdSense and the like). Nothing against that, people need to make a living, but they forget that the US is not the standard for the rest of the world, it's the exception. Especially when it comes to wages and purchasing power.

@suiken3149

4 жыл бұрын

@@rhyzon I understand the US side. Their market is in their own country. But tech youtubers in my country just build the same Ryzen crap. Nothing against Ryzen, they are a great budget build, but not cheap that my fellow countrymen that only earn minimum wages can easily afford. Thank goodness for this channel, Tech Yes and other channels that benchmark potato PCs with modern games.

I really love how far the smaller independent motherboard makers have come. They aren't perfect, but they seem really functional. For a long time the barrier to using older CPUs was the motherboards. Once Asus and Asrock stopped making 2011 boards it seemed like you couldn't get them for a reasonable price.

@rhyzon

4 жыл бұрын

I actually built a friend of mine a system with one of these "no-name" brand motherboards from China: Kllisre LGA1356 motherboard, E5 2450v2 CPU, 2x 8GB ECC DDR3 1600MHz RAM and a Snowman cooler. I paired this base with a 240 GB m.2 SSD and RX 570 8GB. The base of the PC cost me less than the price of a Ryzen 5 2600 at the time (the cheapest price I could find was from Amazon!). No issues whatsoever for the 6-7 he has the machine. Other that hibernation not exactly working, no other issues whatsoever.

@Eliewan

4 жыл бұрын

Usb2 feelsbad though

@rhyzon

4 жыл бұрын

@@Eliewan most will have usb3, sata 3 and/or m.2 nvme slots, so not to worry there.

@alexanderjohansson2671

4 жыл бұрын

@@Eliewan For like 10 usd more you can get USB3 and Sata3 with the NVME.

I'll admit, it's a bit weird to hear Windows 7 be called "legacy"...

@MJ-uk6lu

4 жыл бұрын

It's not really legacy just yet. Pretty much all software is still compatible with it and it will be fine for several years.

@classic_jam

4 жыл бұрын

@@MJ-uk6lu That is true, but it is by definition legacy because it's original creator no longer supports it. (Debatable since they have the special support for companies for a few years)

@MJ-uk6lu

4 жыл бұрын

@@classic_jam Certain things are made normally to never be supported, but would you say that they are legacy once new one comes out? Not always. Windows XP has been discontinued for ages now, but it's a fact that there's still some new software made for it. AVG antivirus supports it, 7zip works too, VLC works too. Many things still work on it and you can still daily it if you really have to for some reason. It will take a really long time for 7 to reach this state and currently pretty much everything works with it.

@drgratao

4 жыл бұрын

Mypal is a great browser and works really fine in xp.

@classic_jam

4 жыл бұрын

MJ Ok, but that’s not what legacy means. Legacy is when it is no longer supported by the original/last official developer, aka Microsoft here. Tons still works on XP and it is indeed Legacy. Hell, with some wit you can get a lot working on Windows 2000 and 98.

When the price of SSD is higher than the price of whole system...

So basically this is a i7 2600k with no iGpu, more cache and quad channel memory support. But way cheaper. Its not that bad and for 5 dollar more you can get the v2 version ( Ivy Bridge based. So 22nm, less power consumption and a little better IPC ). Sure, for 60 dollars you can pick the E5-1650 with six cores but its double the price and for a really tight budget 30 dollars are a big thing. And, to be honest, I'd rather spend more on a motherboard with quad-channel memory support. Anyway great video as always! :)

Awesome. Thanks so much Phil, you have made my day and as always, loved the vid. The Xeon E5-1620 is a very interesting CPU these days and if someone can build a system around one at a good price, it should serve you well indeed. Anyway, I am happy that you are safe and I hope that you stay safe. Thanks again Phil, I'll catch you on the next one👍

Someone said Cheap Unlocked Xeon! Hide! Tech YES City is approaching!

@slist436

4 жыл бұрын

Inb4 Brian installs a xeon to his brain dedicated to getting deals

I think this is a fantastic value. You’re getting robust support for WinXP and Win 7 apps and gaming all while being able to play even current titles reasonably if so desired. And as mentioned, emulating other systems. Mame, Amiga, etc.

I actually found one of these in the trash with a FirePro W5000 near where I worked. Still works great!

Prices of this CPU double in 3 2 1..

@smashandburnyt6938

4 жыл бұрын

LMAO

@kruxdt6307

4 жыл бұрын

V3 are hitting all time low no way this V1 Chip will go any pricier

@madmax2069

4 жыл бұрын

@@kruxdt6307 if a KZreadr calls attention to something it starts going up due to demand, it happens every single time.

@umamifan

4 жыл бұрын

no way in hell will these get any more higher than they already are. when servers upgrade thousands upon thousands of these little buggers are thrown out. they will ALWAYS be dirt cheap because A. a niche market is usually buying these old xeons and B. the supply is super high

@Hornet135

4 жыл бұрын

@@madmax2069 Turns out that's not true. It can be true if supply is relatively low and the video viewership is high. However this channel is relatively small and is focused on old hardware. This CPU is old and abundant, so this video has next to no chance of affecting the price.

I rescued an HP work station on its way to the dumpster a while back. The processors in it are bottom of the bin, so I just ordered a 1650v2 and some RAM to fill in the rest of the slots (I'll go down to 1 CPU for now). I have a 1050ti and an SSD laying around, so I'm going to enjoy messing around with this guy once it all arrives. My old faithful SFF rescue with an i5-3570 will become a dedicated Batocera box for the living room. Between you and ETA Prime, I've had a lot of fun messing around with the Xeon platform as well as emulation, so thanks for this content.

Tech Yes Loving! Whoops! Wrong channel!

My only concern in buying an older platform is the instructions used on cpu the newer games will probably demand avx2 and other newer instruction to force upgrade, that's how the hardware business works.

I see a whole bunch of E5-1660's going on eBay for $50. Two extra cores would definitely go a long way.

@MarioAPN

4 жыл бұрын

shdowhunt60 50$ is athlon teritory. 3000G is a beast.

@kruxdt6307

4 жыл бұрын

@@MarioAPN 2c/4t bro

@Sk0die

4 жыл бұрын

@@MarioAPN I'd rather have the extra cores/threads plus DDR4 desktop ram wayyy more expensive even used

@swrzesinski

4 жыл бұрын

@@MarioAPN What?? Athlon vs e5 1660 and you say Athlon wins? Plus you can overclock e5 to levels that Athlon could only dream for.

@MarioAPN

4 жыл бұрын

swrzesinski of course not. But when you consider an upgrade path it is worthy to mention it. I am rocking a 1600 AF and I am fine for years.

Welcome back, Phil! We've missed you. I hope you are keeping safe in the craziness. Awesome content as always.

I FUCKING LOVE that phil pronounces the wolfenstein the correct way. I mean ofc he will, he speaks German after all but still, I heard English speakers butchering the word stein so much that, it gives a big relief when I hear the correct pronunciation.

Was thinking of doing a Dell t3600 build today With an e5 1650. But I’m waiting for Ryzen 4000 mobile to hit Australia and might pickup one of those with a 5500M or 5600M

Gotta love those Quake benchmarks :D

Welcome to the Snappy Driver Installer club...

@user-kd4pg8hu7t

4 жыл бұрын

...Origin, mind you!

@kruxdt6307

4 жыл бұрын

@@user-kd4pg8hu7t what's the difference

@user-kd4pg8hu7t

4 жыл бұрын

@@kruxdt6307 I would not have known either, but not so long a guy replied to Phil that SDI Origin is the better package. Here it is: "Snappy Driver Installer Origin is a fork of Snappy Driver Installer starting at version r541. The old project is no longer in the hands of the original developers, is no longer open source and is not safe to use. Snappy Driver Installer Origin remains a free, open source project. Free means it costs you nothing to download and use. Free means it is free of adware, malware, backdoors, unwanted third party software or other dodgy stuff."

@adventureoflinkmk2

4 жыл бұрын

Yes. I'm tossing out iobit driver booster in favour of this one.

@987computer

4 жыл бұрын

@@adventureoflinkmk2 Excellent choice...

For some odd reason i just saw your vid today.I don't know how you don't have more subs.Your so in depth in your vids specially if someone doesn't know pc's well even they would understand. I actually did the Crysis test on my R5 2600 with a 1070 ti and it ran beautifully.What i love about your vids are your doing a lot of stuff i did when growing up.These days stuff are so easy and hard to mess up.I did dip switch/jumper oc when i grew up we didn't have an bios to oc.At least they made it simpler :D

@philscomputerlab

4 жыл бұрын

If you can put together a 486 PC, you can build anything :D

Nice. These unlocked Sandy/Ivy Bridge Xeons offer amazing price/performance. Pity the 1680 v2 still costs so much though.

@tacticalcenter8658

4 жыл бұрын

They vary in price on Ebay from 150-300$ and sometimes even more. They were only used in $3000 apple systems and people are just recouping costs from pulling them from those systems. Got my 1680v2 for 160$

@kruxdt6307

4 жыл бұрын

Are 1680v2 even overclockable ?

@tacticalcenter8658

4 жыл бұрын

@@kruxdt6307 yea on a good vrm and a board that supports it. I'm at 4.4ghz stable with an Asus rampage iv extreme that got for cheap

@8iosatlost209

4 жыл бұрын

@@kruxdt6307 It is overclockable to very performative 4,6-4,92GHZ,being as fast as a Ryzen 3700X in singlescorescore( 511) and ~100 Points( 5041) slower than a Core I9 9900 K in multicorescore.With this settings whiich are stable, but need too high voltages for a longer time, it is the third fast? 8Core 16 Thread Intel CPU and the fifth fastest CPU. But overclocked to 4,6 GHZ which can be realized with a core voltage under 1,4Volt it is the third fastest Intel 16-Thread CPU, too.( In CPUZ the are maybe a few CPUs Xeon W2145 maybe) which are as fast or faster, but i think not) But in cinebench the E5-1600 V2 and V0 Xeons show their weakness being as fast as a Ryzen 1800X( 1680 V2).But it fuels GPU wholesome.

@8iosatlost209

4 жыл бұрын

@@tacticalcenter8658 I have payed 220€ with shipping costs from the USA to germany. Think it was a good chip.

Old Xeon chips are the shit.

I love the look of that mainboard

This is why Sandy Bridge is my favourite system for flexibility: large OS support range, supports nearly all of the currently available hardware connections (EG SATA 3, PCI-E) and CPU performance is still up to par, especially for cases you'd be using this system anyway. I still have a P67/2600 that's running strong.

About a week ago I swapped this bad boy out for a 2697v2. I ran the 1620 for years at base 3.6 gig and loved it. My mb allowed me to even hit 2133mhz on my 32gb quad channel kit. So far I am NOT feeling my "UPGRADE" to the 2697v2. I have not been able to do any adjustments on my new chip even raising my ram to 1866 the rated max for the new CPU is a no go. I have the rampage iv black edition mb on the most recent official bios. Without any kind of experience I am quickly seeing what things are core count reliant and what ones are speed. Core count reliant are clearly smoother speed I can't miss a 900mhz base clock speed drop. Any tips for working with the 2697v2?

G'day Phil, I still use XP semi-regularly as I have a Scanner that does 35mm & Slides that doesn't work on Vista or newer, I also have VHS to PC set up that has issues running on newer OS too, I don't use them as much but they came in handy when my Nan Passed away, I scanned a lot of photos from slides for my Aunt so she can now see as wallpaper on her PC 😁

@philscomputerlab

4 жыл бұрын

Ah yes, when Vista came out a lot of manufacturers used it to obsolete their older products for no good reason...

I've been needing an excuse to buy some hardware from AliExpress and this is it chief! I'm very tempted to build a Hardline water-cooled rip using parts from AliExpress and this is definitely the CPU I will build my system around!

Great CPU, will try this one my next build, really hope the pandemic end soom, great work by the way

We missed you Phil

I’m probably not going to build this particular machine but I’m a long time viewer & something you don’t promote enough is your website, philscomputerlab.com which a great resource, especially for retro gaming. I’ve watched LGR & others using your dosbench package for DOS performance testing as I do myself. In fact dosbench is my “go-to” for DOS performance testing. Take care in difficult times, Phil. My best wishes to you.

The ram stiks are manufacturerd by Dynet all ddr3 stiks are 4 gb varient.

You tested ECC RAM with two sticks... but did you test if the Quad-Channel actually works correctly on this board and chipset ??

@philscomputerlab

4 жыл бұрын

It does not. Not on this board.

@KomradeMikhail

4 жыл бұрын

@@philscomputerlab That's too bad. Too many of these reclaimed chipset Chinese boards are missing the essentials... Quad-Channel, M.2 slot, USB 3.0 ports.

@philscomputerlab

4 жыл бұрын

For around 70 to 80 you can boards that have those features!

I've been using an E5-1620 in my desktop for many years now. It (when overclocked) passmarks over 12000 and gets 2400 single core rating, it's still an incredibly competitive chip unless you need AVX2. Unlike in the video though I run the memory in quad channel.

Another great video - superb work Phil ;-)

I see this CPU on eBay now for 15. I think I’m going to start a pc build with my daughter to show her how things work. Then afterwords it should be capable of some light gaming too!

Ive bought several of these to upgrade older workstations at work. Use for AutoCAD and Civil3D. Still work decently well enough for most projects.

I am happy it has a 1x PCIe slot to use for WIFI adapter.

Made me laugh a couple of times when others and I need it right now. One was about your gaming skills and you enjoying those kills you got. I was able to learn to just play and yeah enjoy what you can get done and don't worry about failing and others ripping you for it. The other was of course ... Will it run Crysis? Been a bit since I watched your videos and good to hear that again. Best wishes Phil and thanks for another great video.

Thanks for the work done. Would be also great to hear about mosfets specs installed on VRM and the heat it produce with 1620.

Leaving that comment to help the channel

Finally we have smooth Crysis, thank you!

@philscomputerlab

4 жыл бұрын

Yea it loves high clock speed :D

Ivy Bridge BEAST: E5-1680V2 Bought this one recently and thought I had a real deal at $155. Now, $145! (plus shipping ex USA). Not a bad deal for an 8C/16T CPU with OC'íng at or above 4.5 Ghz. This is the pinnacle of Ivy Bridge. Just thought I would pass on the link. Running mine with ASUS P9X79Pro, which I bought over 6 months ago (for $20 locally...an even better deal, I admit). TechYesCity did a 3-part benchmark series on this CPU vs 2700x and 9900K; it did not disappoint. Not bad for an almost 7 year old CPU. Of course, this will require some hefty cooling. I went with a PCcooler GI-D66A off of AliExpress for $70+ shipping (12V, 4 pin PWM version). Had to reverse the shrouded fans to get the LED top plate oriented correctly; not difficult. This CPU cooler seems to perform very well versus top name brand big box air coolers. Very happy with that purchase, too. www.ebay.com/itm/Intel-Xeon-E5-1680V2-SR1MJ-3-00-Ghz-8-Core-Processor-OEM/114154573061?epid=1539976682&hash=item1a94248d05:g:XOIAAOSwwoledH1L

@DoktorLorenz

4 жыл бұрын

Wish I had this link last year, I couldn't find any sensibly priced 1680v2's so I ended up buying a 2667v2 but it doesn't oc as well as your 1680.

@jb678901

4 жыл бұрын

@@DoktorLorenz Still, E5-2667V2 ain't too shabby.

How much extra is it for a board that supports quad channel? I like the prospect of this setup. Thanks for the great video Phil!

@philscomputerlab

4 жыл бұрын

Like 70 to 80?

@HeyImGaminOverHere

4 жыл бұрын

@@philscomputerlab that isn't nearly as bad as I was thinking. Have any recommendations for those???

@philscomputerlab

4 жыл бұрын

@@HeyImGaminOverHere I tested a few boards on the channel! The one I like most is PlexHD Turbo X79.

@HeyImGaminOverHere

4 жыл бұрын

@@philscomputerlab thanks Phil!! I will check that out and the videos on them. 😁👍

Can you change "GPU" name on MSI Afterburner layout to your actual GPU model for quick visibility (of your testing platform). Cheers!

@philscomputerlab

4 жыл бұрын

I can, and have done in the past, but I work with so many machines, it's a hassle and I sometimes forget to change the name... I used a RX 5700 in this project!

I was think of putting an i7-3930k on one of those 2011 boards, as the chip is quite cheap for an overclockable 6 core chip, 12 thread. How's the board for over clocking ? I've also seen that the Chinese 2011 boards have mixed performance based on the manufacturer, what's the brand of the board that you use ?

Small Correction: V1 Xeon which is Sandy Bridge so *2600K*

good channel, really interesting builds. Arma3 is a tough game to run.

Most important, you get lower power consumption on newer systems. But... Even for this build, I would try to get Ivy Bridge, that has lower PC because of 22nm process. This CPU has 130W TDP. Try to compare it to e3-1230v2 also for 40$. You cannot overclock it, but performance will be similiar to 4 Ghz Sandy Bridge, so you will lose only about 5% performance, but power consumption will be much lower. Ivy Bridge 4C/8T Xeons are only 69W TDP. With 3.7 Ghz, but on one step better generation, the performance is about the same, as on 4Ghz Sandy Bridge. So I don't recommend LGA2011 Sandy Bridge build, instead go socket 1155 with Ivy Bridge Xeons. Just look at that huge differance in power consumption when you compare it to Xeon e3-1230v2. www.servethehome.com/intel-xeon-e5-1620-sandy-bridge-ep-xeon-review-4c8t-36ghz/intel-xeon-e5-1620-power-consumption/ (not to mention, that Ivy bridge chipsets has already USB 3.0, so you don't have to pay extra for add-in card, that takes up one slot). You get performance similiar to i7-3770 by this (which is equivalent of e3-1240v2 xeon, but I think to pay 5-6$ extra for +100 mhz is not worth it, so it's better to take 1230v2 with 3.7Ghz turbo) As this system can draw 20-40$ more per year on electricity, than Ivy bridge e3-1230v2, (depends on how often you play or use CPU on 70-100% daily), I don't recommend this build as budget option. If you use it just 3 years, it will burn up to 100$ more on power. Just put more money on newer platform, it will return on power consumption.

@warrax111

4 жыл бұрын

You can see differance in performance between e5-1620 and e3-1230v2 here: cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Xeon-E3-1240-V2-vs-Intel-Xeon-E5-1620-0/m5484vsm2930 As you can see, both 1230v2 is about 2-3% faster in stock clocks, after overclock, 1620 will be like 3% faster. It's not worth it, because of 69W vs 130W TDP.

@nathangamble125

3 жыл бұрын

It would still be good for people whose electricity is free and/or included in rent, especially in places that don't get too hot in summer (e.g. Northern Britain, Northern Canada, the Baltics, and Scandinavia).

Gotta love these older hardware!

I love your videos, keep going!

Hey Phil, Asus is releasing a 165hz 1080p monitor that also has a VGA port(75hz), the TUF VG27VH1B. I figured VGA ports on gaming monitors was over.

the E5-1625v2, 1645v2 and I believe 1675v2 (still lga-2011) have intel p4000, workstation graphics. You would need a different mobo w/some type of display connector on the i/o but , that often will upgrade you to usb3.0. it's nice to have integrated graphics if you ever have driver issues or a dead gpu

Awesome video as always! An interesting test to see on these cheap Xeon processors would be for streamers who use a 2 PC setup. On the transcoding PC, how well do these processors handle streaming 1080p 60fps across all cores/threads. If they can actually handle it, these would be cheap alternatives to building super beefy rigs.

Could do with some voltage control. Best way to keep your Sandy friend from frying over time.

I like this videos and the chienseum motherboards As I don't waste time and money . Although there is value in these setups

TBH I'd stay away from dual-channel 2011 boards, quad channel is what allows to recoup most of the bandwidth penalty that comes from using DDR3 instead of DDR4

Can you do a video about Intel Xeon E5-2658 V3? It's a LGA 2011 CPU.

@lumi2387

4 жыл бұрын

It's 2011-3, another socket

Hey guys, do you know by any chance what is the highest core/thread count Xeon Processor which is unlocked from this generation? Because i already own a 6c/12t processor in my main machine, and going under that would not be an option.

If you are looking for a video idea, I always wondered about using a Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge based system for Windows 98. I have a few PCI graphics cards: Savage 4, TNT2 M64, FX 5500 and some PCI sound cards: Vortex2, Audigy2, SB Live, Solo-1. I was always curious to see if it would work without proper motherboard drivers to run retro games. I've noticed, unfortunately, a lot of the socket 370 boards I attempt to use from the closet end up becoming unstable after a couple weeks, likely due to bad caps. I imagine if there were more modern alternatives it could keep 9x retro going even longer. Recapping all those boards is a job for this summer when I can open the windows. :)

@Reziac

4 жыл бұрын

Have you been raiding my Closet? :) Hmm, that's an interesting point; I've got a stash of 440BX and while they all work fine in the short term, I haven't needed one for everyday in a while (not til the iBase dies!) so who knows how good they really are at this late date. While I'm building basically one with the same specs as Phil's would be a good time to try it with those older OSs. Win98 ran fine when I tried it on a random quadcore; how different is the i7/xeon instruction set?

@aaron96244

4 жыл бұрын

@@Reziac I've become a horder but stopped recently. :) I am aspiring to authentically simulate Windows 98 and XP on modern hardware. So having a lot of different boards to reference has been helpful. I have most of what I need. What random quadcore did you try it on? Was that a Core2? I tried once on a Core2 with an nForce chipset and it was nothing but bad news. I haven't tried on an Intel chipset (yet?).

@Reziac

4 жыл бұрын

It was either the Q8300 (core2quad, started life as a Dell) or the E5300 (core2duo, Asus board). Already installed, on some random HD while testing something else. This was probably before I upgraded RAM to 8GB on both; it's been a while. I'll have to try it again, since one of the Asus P5B boards got retired (design flaw in Southbridge wiring kills the capacitors that handle USB) and that would be a good job for it. Hmm. Didn't exhibit the fall-over-if-over-512mb RAM bug, apparently (which seems to actually be hardware triggering Windows, not Win98 per se -- I had 1GB in my old Win98 box, but 4 RAM slots made a difference back then). I've always regretted what I didn't hoard... sooner or later something pops up demanding exactly that part you didn't keep!

Huh. Was very interested to see how that performs, as I'm in process of putting together a system around this very CPU (cuz I wound up with a spare that was meant for one that kept its i7-4820K instead, and had 64GB of ECC RAM from a retired server... older stuff but still fast enough). Found a Lenovo Thinkstation board (probably made by Tyan) with some nice features like SAS ports, extra slots, and big RAM support; I doubt that board will overclock but it's still plenty fast. Won't be a gaming box but should work very well to upgrade the last of my everyday quad-cores (mostly it's the fileserver but also does heavy graphics editing, and could use more horsepower). XP/XP64 support was a big plus! Am using a very similar HSF (labeled for HP) on both -- and the i7 reports an idle temp around 25C !! Goes to show that bigger and fancier ain't always better.

If you are really lucky you can pick these up for 10-15€ on ebay. Unbeatable price-performance and enough to push any gtx 970, 1060, rx 4xx or 5xx :) even a game like rdr2 is just fine with this cpu

The processor has excellent value, I just bought a workstation with a Xeon E5-1620 V2. However, in the past I was considering buying a $55 Ryzen 5 1400, which has the same performance as a Xeon E5-1620. An Overclockable B-350 motherboard is around $55 as well. The money you would be saving is in the ram, because server DDR3 memory is more affordable than DDR4. If you can find the 2 out of the 3 parts for an affordable price, they would be definitely worth it.

@philscomputerlab

4 жыл бұрын

Yea for sure, if you can get a Ryzen system then that's great. For some reason Ryzen prices on AliExpress have gone up, even the 1400 costs too much IMO.

@jb678901

4 жыл бұрын

@@philscomputerlab All prices are creeping up with this Pandemic's impact on supply chains. I bought a new Gigabyte Gaming RX590 for CHF 165 (about US$165 at that time) just this past January; today that same Swiss on-line store sells this GPU for CHF 250. Frankly, the only pricing that seems to be trending down is on AliExpress. I ended up buying an E5-2678V3 (12C/24T) for only $107 delivered, and a HuananZhi X-99 TF for US$101, delivered. Local prices for used DDR3, GPU's, and motherboards...for Sandy-Ivy gen...all seem to be priced higher than 4 months ago. Ryzen new and used is also higher in price, making the XEON comparison a little better. With unemployment a reality for many, it is sad to see prices going up in parallel.

Here the CPU are found for about $35, but the motherboard are $80+ lol For the same price combo here there's also Ryzen 5 1400 + B350 mobo If the mobo were $50 ish here it will be much more interesting. But what the hell, all I can afford was X3440 and H55 mobo for $50

Would I be able to run this system overclocking the 1620 with a 430W PSU? This is the exact reference: Thermaltake Smart BX1 450W. These are the other components: E5-1620 Overclocked PowerColor RX570 4Gb X79 Plus PlexHD Motherboard Thank you very much, that's the last component I need and I just wanted to make sure-1

Nice! I can play my old games! I have wanted to play "Alice by American McGee" for a long time now. My window 99 computer is long gone

1866 cl13 is insane. They make 3200 c9 ddr3 kits. You could extract quite a bit more power out of this thing with faster ram.

It's really a good budget oriented alternative. But for the moment I will keep with my core2quad. This is a valid alternative to ryzen and to I7. Yet it will be a problem to get one for a while.

Another rare gem CPU.

I am also using the same CPU but on Dell Precision T3600 and I don't have any overclock options in dell's BIOS

Nice video, does this cpu support virtualization? To make 2 pc with just one cpu?

for experimentation i have build a system with e5-2667, now i wonder if i change to e5-1620, with fewer cores, but higher clock speed, and unlocked multiplier, will i get a performance boost?

Will windows 10 version 1809 work on this platform or do need to run a older version?

Phil what about changing the thermal paste under the heatspreader? This and other CPUs you are presenting are often quite old and if the heatspreader is not soldered you have to change the paste at some point. I do repair old consoles in my freetime as a hobby and they need this procedure everytime because just changing the paste on top won`t help with the consoles overheating issues much. Or do you have a reliable way of checking if the spreader is soldered on or not before hand? I often struggle to find that information for specific chips cpus or gpus when it comes to pc hardware . thx and regards.

@philscomputerlab

4 жыл бұрын

Sorry not sure how this relates to the video? Yea fresh thermal paste is a good idea in general...

@r.f.s.8766

4 жыл бұрын

@@philscomputerlab Yeah may be I didn't made it clear enough xD.... All I was trying to say was, did you check if the cpu which is quite old by now you are showing in the video has a soldered heatspreader and therefore no need for a paste change or is it one with maybe old and by now dried out thermal paste. If it is one of those, your temps would be better I guess if you change it. And I wanted to know if you may be already did that and if you do check on every specific model of old cpus u are using if they need a paste swap or not and if so where do you get reliable information on that? I often struggle to find solid info on whether the heatspreader is soldered on or not. Some say this and others that. It is hard to find out sometimes. That's all I think. Regards.

I am using the same CPU inside my Dell Precision T3600....Its doing great...

Did you try DX12 on BFV? I have a Vega 64 and I used to have to run it in DX12 because in DX11 I would get low GPU usage and low FPS. The last update fixed DX11 for me though.

In comparison, which performs is better e5 1620 OC 4.2ghz or e5 1620 v2 stock 3.7ghz? Is it possible to overclock 1620 v2? I've seen a guy overclocked this cpu to 4.2ghz which +0.3ghz higher than max boost (3.9ghz)

I hadnt thought of looking at the power settings for performance...Thank you for showing that!..recently i bought a GTX 670 2gb for my retro machine but the fear demo is returning only max fps at 20!...got to figure out the bottleneck..maybe this is it. Good to see a Video from you on a Friday Phil! Stay safe.

@philscomputerlab

4 жыл бұрын

Check PcGamingWiki there is a patch needed.

@philscomputerlab

4 жыл бұрын

To do with USB input device.

@matthewplehn4271

4 жыл бұрын

@@philscomputerlab DAMN!...didnt know about a games wiki either...LOL..your a treasure trove of info Phil. Thank you!

@philscomputerlab

4 жыл бұрын

Yea that site is a gold mine for older games :)

hello phil, i'm trying to build a computer for about 190$ with aliexpress parts,i already have a gpu and i'm thinking about a xeon e5-2689 + lga 2011 motherboard + 8gb ddr3 1600 server ram + 550w psu + cooler, and i will be mainly playing games and some editing. does this sound like a good build or is it possible to get a better system for the same price ?

Hey Phil can you build a xeon somewhat console size gaming pc Or just a very cheap but decent 1080p 60 fps gaming pc In a somewhat portable state like putting inside a bag

@nathangamble125

3 жыл бұрын

I'd use an Alzenit X79I-CE3 bundle with a 2630V2 and 16GB DDR3, plus a cheap CPU cooler from Aliexpress. In a Sugo SG05 PC case (222 mm (W) x 176 mm (H) x 276 mm (D), 10.8 liters) with a 450W 80+ Bronze SFX PSU. With a GTX 1650 Super. And a TCSunbow X3 480GB SSD (optionally add a HDD or go up to 1TB for ~£35 more) Total price approx. £400/$500/€450. The main problem with the build is how expensive SFX PSUs are, but you don't have many other good options for something that's this portable, at least not for a PC with a discrete graphics card. An mATX build could have a cheaper case and PSU, but would be much more difficult to fit in a bag (the SG05 wouldn't be very easy to fit in small bags due to its height, but much easier than an mATX case, and I think the SG05 is a good compromise of size and cooling, as it can fit a full-size dual-slot graphics card and even some small CPU tower coolers)

@samsonsanthosh

3 жыл бұрын

@@nathangamble125 thx for the info but I'm thinking about the series s now looks good on paper Combined with game pass is going to be adequate and i can fit it in my backpack Also due to the india china thing I can't order anything from AliExpress so it's nothing but overpriced crap here in the used market The series s costs 200usd more here so basically around 503dollars idk where tfuk did these guys get such a absurd number the series x is 668 dollars as well So ya series s is still cheaper than a gaming laptop

great value

Just an FYI I'm running an E5-1650V2 (6C) in an HP Z420 at 4Ghz using the Intel Extreme Tuning Utility which works fine with these unlocked Xeons. They work great and are stable AF. Even if the OEM motherboard doesn't support overclocking the IETU changes the boost clock value and up it goes.

@philscomputerlab

4 жыл бұрын

The 1650V2 is a very nice CPU!

@PaulLemars01

4 жыл бұрын

@@philscomputerlab I purchased the Z420 with the CPU, 32GB of 1864 memory for true 4 channel memory, a 600W PSU and a 500GB HDU for under $200 including taxes and shipping here in the USA. All I did was slot in my 2year old RX580 8GB and gaming nirvana was mine. Here's an idea for a video that might be topical, buying a quad processor Supermicro server motherboard and using Opteron 6276 16 core processors to build a Foldit at Home node. It would be cool seeing a 64 core computer working flat out to beat this shitty virus.

100k subs soon

can you do video about machinist x79 motherboard?

@dore9887

4 жыл бұрын

great idea 💡

@menotyou2852

4 жыл бұрын

👍👍👍👍

enjoyed this one, my dad needs a new budget machine, this board and cpu is defiantly an option for him

@minimumdorifto6595

4 жыл бұрын

KingKarlito93 I mean 1600af + b450 is pretty close to it for the price and is faster. Not by much, but it has a warranty and is on socket am4.

@KingKarlito93

4 жыл бұрын

@@minimumdorifto6595 cheapest b450 I can source new is £60 cheapest 1600 af £98 then there is the difference in ram cost, I think it's double the price at least including the more expensive ram

Hi Phil i am going to buy an x79 motherboard would u help me with the ram configuration i have 4 ddr3 ram sticks 2 ram stiks are 1333 & another 2 1600 can i pair the ram in quad channel ?

This is funny I got this processor for free last month in a old "broken" server :)

@Reziac

4 жыл бұрын

I love broken and dead hardware... I've built my best PCs from them :D

@jaimesmets8058

4 жыл бұрын

@@Reziac Nice I love that too get a few broken pc and build one nice working pc

@Reziac

4 жыл бұрын

Yep, and it's sure easy on the wallet. :D

Wooo Confinement video!

Hey Phil, got a strange video request. Since you've got Sandy Bridge, Sandy Bridge X79, and more modern systems, could you do a comparison of any benefits of X79's quad-channel ram for gaming? I think for legacy systems, it especially would be interesting to see quad-channel DDR3 vs dual-channel DDR4.

@philscomputerlab

4 жыл бұрын

I did look into that in some video in the past, I believe the Plex HD X79 review, or around that time. If you have fast 1866 RAM, DC is still good. But if you only have 1333 for example, then QC is much faster. Or put another way, if you have QC RAM, then even 1333 is decent fast.

@theenhancer

4 жыл бұрын

@@philscomputerlab Any idea how quad channel works with Windows XP?

@philscomputerlab

4 жыл бұрын

The OS doesn't matter!

@theenhancer

4 жыл бұрын

@@philscomputerlab Okay. I wasn't sure if there was an inherent limit with Windows XP 32-bit RAM limitations and 4 RAM slots.

an unlocked 6 core xeon review next?

How is a Sandy Bridge equivalent to Ivy Bridge 3xxx? Shouldnt that be equivalent to 2xxx series?

Moving good secondary (tertiary) and other hand me down PC kit is really good for inter nation economy. Majority of tech industry capital value is now in the secondary open market broker channel not the AMD, Intel primary market on the mass laundering of v2/v3/v4 components by Intel DCG bundled freebie into sales package as close incentive; all 1.5 trillion of them. v1, v2, then too bad v3+ can't OC on voltage regulation. Intel really destroyed hand me down value of Xeon v3+ at this generation totally locking them down. I've pressed Intel to open the PC control hub (chip set) market via license agreement for back in time Xeon in order to bring the boards to a close as current features without having to scavenge back in time or rely on a non eol part that isn't quite appropriate for use. Really like this channel. Moving secondary kit fit for use puts money into the hands of the channel so they can buy something news keeps industry innovating, pays for re-engagement of the primary x86 CPU market post Intel monopoly by industrial responsible society for democratic capitalism, moving forward. Mike Bruzzone, FTC Docket 9341 INTC monitor.

what happens if you use a dual cpu socket motherboard for 2 x 1620 then overclock to 4.2 for a total of 8cores/16 threads? will that work?

What are the known problems of using newer CPUs with older platforms? I know chipset drivers can be problematic and there are probably EFI-only platforms out there now, but the only thing I can think of CPU-wise was that AMD removed a few instructions, namely most of 3DNow!, but it hardly matters because there is no software the depends on 3DNow! and anything that supports it at all would benefit more from a generally faster CPU.

Almost to 100K!!!

Hey Mr. Phil can you please use the "Tank Battle (CPU)" benchmark in War Thunder instead of static one since the static one only shows the performance of the GPU? Also it seems that Xeon E5-1620 drains more power on that motherboard then my i7-2600K in asus P8Z77-V LX mobo at same 4.2 GHz clock which is strange since they are virtually the same CPU.

All orders from Aliexpress are very slow, I don't know why but orders from eBay are really fast now. I got my items in 15-25 days.

I really enjoy your videos. Can you please make a video on how to assemble a modern day PC. I know I sound stupid but you really make me want to build a Xeon computer

@philscomputerlab

4 жыл бұрын

The issue is, I don't work with cases! LOL