What do you think about 1080p gaming?

@kamipls6790

3 күн бұрын

Playing at 4k for almost 10 yrs now. No chance for going back.

@roki977

3 күн бұрын

DSR, downscaling from 4k to 1080p with dlss perf. can create great resaults on 1080p. Its perfect for 4070 and full hd monitors. Eliminates cpu bottlenecks, adds huge amount of quality AA and creates density that is not present at native 1080p.. 1440p monitors dont respond so well to 4k downsamling like 1080p that has pixel ratio 1:1 with 4k. I would even say that 1080p monitor can look better with DSR/VSR than 1440p in certain type of games. Its works the best with large 1080p monitors like 27 or more...

@theivadim

2 күн бұрын

@@kamipls6790 would you jump to 6K or 8K if good monitors were available?

@theivadim

2 күн бұрын

@@roki977 yup. You have to keep that pixel ratio at 1:1. Just have to find the right resolution for this DSR trick if you're on 1440p. I'm sure it'll result in better visuals as well.

@Obie327

2 күн бұрын

1080p gaming is ok.. (Great compromise on older hardware/GPU's) But I've been bitten by the 1440p and 4k high refresh bug. Still use 1080p but not really much anymore.

Looks like they intend for gamers to use upscaling and/or framegen in modern games. And I agree, after going to freesync 1440p monitors and seeing how nice upscaling works, I don't see any reason for 1080p monitors anymore. 1440p monitors can be had really cheap now, in many cases as cheap as 1080p monitors. So It almost looks like they are phasing out 1080p monitors. I don't think they will though, but I think more and more PC gamers will transition to 1440p and 4K monitors in the future.

@theivadim

3 күн бұрын

I agree. 1440p is the way to go. You can use the same GPU as you would to game at 1080p. Just use DLSS at 1440p to get similar FPS and better image quality. I've stopped recommending 1080p monitor. Only 1440p and above.🙂

@larsenmats

3 күн бұрын

@@theivadim yeah. Since I have two setups with 165Hz 1440p freesync monitors I watch your videos and test on my setups. My weakest system has an RTX 4060 and my main system is using an RX 7800 XT. With upscaling I make the RTX 4060 setup work nicely on 1440p in modern games. My only gripe is 8GB vram. But turning down textures mostly fixes this. RX 7800 XT can handle native 1440p in the games I have. But upscaling is nice if I want more FPS or for future games even on that rig.

@theivadim

3 күн бұрын

I made the RTX 4060 work well in pair with a 4K monitor. I had to use DLSS Ultra Performance if I'm not mistaken (it's been a while ago). The experience was still better compared to a 1080p 27-inch monitor.

@Hello-mu1et

6 сағат бұрын

1440p oled monitors are still crazy expensive

My 13600kf bottlenecks my 4070 super at 1080p

@theivadim

3 күн бұрын

That's not surprising for some games.🙂 The 4070 SUPER is quite powerful.

I have a ryzen 5 7500f and a 4070 Super with a 1080p 240hz monitor

@christophermullins7163

2 күн бұрын

Overclock that chip could get a lil bump.

why do you think upscalers exist its because the graphics are getting so demanding that high native resolutions will be too much to handle even for a powerful gpu to run games at 60 fps and above especially games that are made with unreal engine 5.

@zetahalo

20 сағат бұрын

Or to sell worse gpus and get away with it? Idk

What's the GPU temp? I've had bad experiences with Gigabyte cards running waaaaaaaay too hot playing Halo Infinite, getting up to 90 deg after a few multiplayer games. I've had to return those cards, because of that.

@theivadim

2 күн бұрын

I know what you mean. Some Windforce coolers are underwhelming. I didn't like the 7900 GRE Windforce. It was loud. But this one is fine. I guess the fact that the 4070 doesn't use that much power play a role.

@l.i.archer5379

2 күн бұрын

@@theivadim I have 4070s by ASUS and Zotac in two PCs, and an MSI Super Gaming X Slim 4070 Ti Super in another. Neither one of these cards gets above 62 deg playing Halo Infinite. The Zotac is the Twin Edge SFF model, and the ASUS is the Dual Fan model that didn't quite fit the SFF case, so it got relegated tot he mATX PC. I love these cards, because they don't consume a lot of power and they play great at 1440p on High/Medium settings at 144 Hz

Hey Vadim, how is that case? I want to buy one, but just wondering if it can handle 7700X and some mid range gpu that I'll buy later on. Thanks.

@theivadim

3 күн бұрын

be quiet! Pure Base 500 FX? It's one of my all-time favourite cases. Good quality, comes with 4 high-quality fans pre-installed (RGB/fan hub included and pre-installed), easy to work with, fairly easy to maintain because it has dust filters. Furthermore, large GPUs fit. I recommend it.

@TrueEasyTech

Күн бұрын

I am using one and it is one of the best PC cases I have ever used.

On PC there have pretty much always been games that push the boundaries and can't run well even on the latest modern hardware but those games are outliers. You can't just look at the outliers and say the RTX 4070 is suddenly a 1080p gaming card because it has trouble running one of the most demanding games out at 1440p and even 1080p depending on the settings. Certain games I believe are designed to sell new graphics cards.

When I got my 4070 when they first released, I didn't find it more than a 1080p card. I got a 4070 ti super for 21:9 1440p and I feel like I liked the 4070 and 1080p better.

@bigninja6472

2 күн бұрын

Why ?

@CuttinInIdaho

2 күн бұрын

@@bigninja6472 most noticeable for me was path tracing in cyberpunk. I could run almost 100fps with it on and worst case around 85. At 1080p with a 24 inch HDR 10 monitor it looked really good. A 34 ultrawide is the same pixels per inch but I’m only at around 75 in those difficult to render areas. With the input lag it is noticeable with a mouse and keyboard so I have to always use a controller or turn off path tracing. I should have bought a 4080 super. I am pleased with it otherwise…but I am probably going to play cyberpunk for years to come and I wish it was as good as the 4070 with 1080p

@bigninja6472

2 күн бұрын

@@CuttinInIdaho any opinion about upscaling, is it looking bad ?

@CuttinInIdaho

2 күн бұрын

@@bigninja6472 No DLSS looks great on both. Balanced DLSS at 1080p is not much different that Quality. Same with 1440p. I have tried FSR and it looks like my character has significant ghosting around the body. It is one of the reasons I won't buy AMD cards...because dedicated hardware for upscaling does look much better. I think it matters how many pixels per inch on your monitor the most. That depends on how far away your eyes are from the screen. I have a laptop that is running 1080p and I can used performance DLSS and it still looks good because the screen is so small.

@zetahalo

20 сағат бұрын

600$ gpu and only 1080p? :(

test the 4070 super at 1080p

i understand that some cards of the 4000 series lack in what they offer talking about price/performance, but we also gotta consider that nowadays developers no more give a f about optimization. cards strenght is important but they cant do nothing if the game lacks in basic optimization

Rtx 4070 ti super in wqhd next please

@theivadim

2 күн бұрын

This topic is on my wishlist. I'll do my best to make it happen soon🤝

I have a RTX 4060, what is the best CPU for it? I played shoter games like fortnite and MW3, I think i will buy Ryzen 7 7800x3d because i want higher FPS (my CPU is i5-10400)

@tanvirafik6546

2 күн бұрын

I think r5 7500f/7600 would be more than enough .u can easily top out a 240 hz monitor on most esports game..7800x 3d is way to powerful for a 4060.

@soosh7180

Күн бұрын

@@tanvirafik6546 The r5 7600 in fortnite achieves 250-320 FPS its very good for fortnite, But the r7 7800x3d achieves more than 500 FPS. I will think about 7600. THX

is that a Steel Series control type Mousepad? 🐁 In raw 1080p realm, imho, is the best for those who do competitive esport titles where higher FPS and minimal latency input lag are extremely crucial to give you that last drop squeeze of edge apart from the skill ceiling. Of course you, one would need to pair the rig with the highest refresh rate 23-24" 1080p monitor (for comprehensive field of view) you can afford to match the FPS the system is generating. For non competitive folks like myself, 1080p High can still be nice for budget folks. Though I had just sacrificed that for a High/Medium setting at 1440p nowadays, so I can record video at native crispy 1440p. LOL 🌶 Great vid as always V.

@theivadim

11 сағат бұрын

I am not sure which mousepad that is. It’s the cheapest decent one I could find on Amazon at the time and it happened to be Steel Series🙂 I don’t dabble in competitive games or testing. Optimum is doing great in that niche.😄 I’m actually researching if 1080p monitors are even worth buying in 2024. You’ll see my report on the matter soon🫡

@PCKodachi

9 сағат бұрын

@theivadim Gotcha. Will wait to see the result of the test! 🖥👌

As much as I dislike Nvidia's approach to the upscaling and Vram, the problem here is not the GCU, some devs just don't give a F about optimization; Nixxes managed to make Ghost of Tushima run in ULTRA and Native at over 70 fps. Some devs are just relying too much on upscaling

It's surprising and not surprising that the "Vanilla RTX 4070" isn't really always getting decent performance. Meh performance was one of my strong arguments to skip the original 4070 release. Unreal engine 5 really puts the hurt on modern GPU's. Thanks iVadim for the gaming analysis. Cheers!

@stangamer1151

2 күн бұрын

UE5 is not that bad actually. Banishers GoNE runs pretty well on 4070 at 4K + DLSS Quality, providing 60+ fps experience. It depends on how many UE5 features a ertain game utilizes. Hellblade 2 just uses all the available UE5 tech, that is why this game is so demanding. Unfortunately the devs did not give gamers any chance to reduce graphics settings further. That is why even at Low preset Hellblade 2 looks better than most games at Medium/High settings.

@theivadim

2 күн бұрын

Yeah😄 I wasn't planning on testing the 4070 at 1080p. But after I've experienced the 4070 at 1440p I knew I had to investigate further.

@Obie327

2 күн бұрын

@@theivadim I'm glad you did. If you aren't about the highest detail settings, Then the 4070 isn't too bad.

We all know some games are Nvidia sponsored and some are AMD. GPU makers engineers work with game devs to make their hardware perform better than the competition. What if both companies turned that existing collaboration infrastructure on consumers using new, overly intensive, games to speed up the upgrade cycle? The RX 7800XT turns 1 in Sept and the 8800XT arrives in January. Sure looks like the one year upgrade cycle GPU makers are pushing.

What do you mean a goddamn 4070 can't game at 1080p? nVidia? Answers??

HellBlade Kill Those Gpus Like That Time Alan Wake 2 Game 😅 Rtx 4070 Is Good But We Need To Twich Some Settings Then Use Frame Generation Feature Or Something To Play Games At Constant 65+ Fps Do You Think Sir Thats Happened Because In That Game Use Different Screen Resolution I Mean You See That There Is Boarders 😅😅

@theivadim

2 күн бұрын

No. Actually, if Hellblade 2 didn't have those borders it would require even more GPU power to play. Because GPU would have to render more stuff. It's similar to when you increse field of view in a game.

@unik0016

2 күн бұрын

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Meanwhile me playing at 3413x1440p in my RTX 4070 just fine.

Today is the day i build the same gpu u use!! Lesgooo and this will be the 1st pc i build ! Im excited 😂 even though rich people said mid tier gpu . Watching you play make me feel ease for a moment w8ting for my pc part to arrived .

@theivadim

3 күн бұрын

Which monitor are you going to use? I'm sure you'll have a lot of fun with your new PC! I hope you have you games wishlist ready to go🙂

@nguyenbao9895

2 күн бұрын

me too, i had already odered the parts. r5 7600x and rx 7900gre

Thats any card. Wtf these comments are dumb haha. Dude it's legit called more demanding games. Everyone knows this. When a 7900xtx and 4080super can't hit 60fps in 4k on a latest game you know it's getting tough. You gotta watch out with videos like this. Comments arent to bright they dont understand and then go yeah nvidia wanted yoy to use dlss! Of course they do but even without its doing great. It isnt that the card is bad its that all gpus have issues with new demanding games lol. Idk what people expect. Also nvidia has actually made lovelace run better at 1080p and 1440p so sgain it aint the cards fault.

@KamilWyszynski1924

3 күн бұрын

even a 4090 cannot do 4K anymore without dlss meaning you will have to have a 5090 to do native 4K

@reviewforthetube6485

3 күн бұрын

@@KamilWyszynski1924 exactly, well that's not true I get a stable 60+ fps in native 4k with my strix 4080 super. Ray tracing is what makes it go below that. A 4090 can even play alan wake over 60fps in native 4k. So yeah you can game in native 4k mainstream media shows you it with every single setting maxed out rven ray tracing. That def doesn't mske it not a 4k card. You can play almost every game out on a 4080 super and 4090 in native 4k ultra without ray tracing and using just high settings makes them all over 100fps most of the time. About 50% of games you can get over 120fps in native 4k. But my point was all games are demanding now so it's tough.

@DwaynedaGamer

3 күн бұрын

But the xtx and 4080 super are trying to play at their marketed resolution. They can do 1440p which is a tier below very well. The 4070 a tier below it's marketed resolution at 1080p is still struggling. There's a complete difference in your comparison. It's okay to state these performances from this "midrange" card is underwhelming, nothing is going to happen. It's poor 😂. You think 40 FPS and below 60 FPS with not even maxed out settings is acceptable or "is doing great"?..what the....

60 fps is not acceptable from a 4070 in 1080p.

yeah the standard 4070 is a pretty pathetic attemp along with all the rtx 4060 variants

The 4090 is great for 1080p ,the 5060 ti or 5060 ai should have 4090 performance

@frazzy3893

2 күн бұрын

you dream the 5080 will be as powerful as the 4090

@christophermullins7163

2 күн бұрын

​@@frazzy3893you don't get it . With the AI upscaling and frame gen.. the 5060 ti will be as good as the 4090.

@christophermullins7163

2 күн бұрын

​@@frazzy3893😂😂😂🤣🤣😭😭

@frazzy3893

2 күн бұрын

@@christophermullins7163 we'll talk about it again in a few months

This is horrible. I don't have such high end hardware but I feel like there's no hope for the upcoming games and future of gaming anymore as they will force Ray Tracing more and more and rely everything on the upscaler and frame generator. Unreal Engine games often do this. And Low settings often make less or no difference at all compared to Epic settings which makes sense for no fps improvements that much. This is very unhealthy habit. Even Low settings makes no improvement then that's it, everything is screwed. And I would disagree with you that 1440p monitors are getting "cheaper". No, they are still expensive these days, they may get cheaper but very slow to wait that making use of 1080p monitors at this time are still relevant. At least double or more than double the price than 1080p monitors. If that's what it takes to get 60 fps plus all of the time on 1080p, I would definitely take the DLSS experience as the DLSS quality also keep getting better and better. I have been living like this for years and already get used to it so not a big problem for me. Making a switch to 1440p would be an absolute blast but that's just a wishful thinking for now. It would take a long journey for that to happen. The real problem here is the horrendously optimized games and lack of VRAM. And I don't think DLSS Quality on 1440p will get you similar frames as the 1080p on native. DLSS or upscalers in general ain't free performance boost either, they needs the processing power to operate on its own despite coming from the "lowres" internally. Looking at how newer and higher end GPUs also struggling like this, we can be comfortable a bit to not upgrade too often or at least support these planned obsolescence. The best option for now is to be selective with what games you play and don't expecting too much. You would be disappoint. 🤷🏻‍♀️

@theivadim

2 күн бұрын

You brought up an interesting topic "1440p DLSS Quality vs 1080p native". I've tested it in the previous video and performance is actually very similar - kzread.info/dash/bejne/iWmhusmwYZWxfNo.htmlsi=5zxQH5Nga1cfvDcR&t=278

550$+, 200W+ TDP, only 12GB VRAM, and only for FullHD with DLSSQ and FG