Watch the full interview with The Undertaker on my main channel here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/p6asqrmumdmyh8o.html

@TimLoyalToWifeHaterFreeZoneA

3 күн бұрын

Love It CVVCLIPS Bro.

When Taker took that Sweet Chin Music + Pedigree combo at Hell in a Cell and kicked out, bro that crowd reaction was CRAZY 🤯🔥

@jckorn9148

5 күн бұрын

Punk got the biggest pop with a simple piledriver to Cena. Less is more.

@SuperSayianWarrior

5 күн бұрын

​@jckorn9148 that was more so because it was a legit piledrive, the same kind that ruined Steve Austin's neck.

@Feynman_Fries

5 күн бұрын

I still believe if the streak had ever to be broken (which it shouldn't have), that was the most legit moment ever. I had jumped off my seat thinking it was over now. If not for that spot, the streak was never meant to be broken.

@zanethind

5 күн бұрын

Yeah

@QualityEJC

5 күн бұрын

@@SuperSayianWarrior that was not the same piledriver that broke Austin's neck. It was a Sit Out Piledriver but Austin prepared for a Tombstone Piledriver.

I can understand kicking out at Wrestlemania. But no one should be kicking out of any finishes on a weekly show. They’ve done that shit to death.

@Mittens5044

5 күн бұрын

I remember Brock Lesnar went winning matches for doing one F5 to doing 9 F5 just to beat Roman Reigns at WM34.

@foxvalleybandvids

4 күн бұрын

Agreed. The Bucks having a dozen super kicks in a match should kill someone in theory, but it doesn't. If they're truly inspired by Shawn Michaels, they wouldn't ruin his finisher.

@mattm7798

4 күн бұрын

True, and it shouldn't be multiple kick outs. And not every PPV/PLE. The drama of the match should be "can he hit him with his finisher", not "how many time can he kick out of his finisher" I'm fine with false finishes when the move is otherwise protected, but now, on a PPV, the crowd is conditioned to expect a kick out on the first finisher...that's terrible...no drama.

@KDB349

4 күн бұрын

@@foxvalleybandvidsthe super kick isn't his finisher. It's the sweet chin music

@KDB349

4 күн бұрын

Cap. You should be able to kick out of a finisher. Once, maybe twice.

HBK kicking out of the Tombstone was one of the best spot you could ever see, the face on taker was telling everything that you needed to know.

@lancethefilmguy9392

5 күн бұрын

JR on commentary: "I JUST HAD AN OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCE!"

@derekgraskewicz2104

5 күн бұрын

OPINION: I dont mind seeing a false finisher, but if you do it, the move better not have been picture perfect. Maybe an off centered spear, a weakly elevated powerbomb, or even just hitting the move and giving too much time to recover, i can see a false finish. But If the move is given/taken cleanly, and it looks good, sell it as so. If I messed up a bit and you know we can do better, we can kick out.

@CDodger24

5 күн бұрын

​@@derekgraskewicz2104 If it wasn't done clean then you would predict the kickout right away. These types of false finishers should only be reserved for huge mega matches.

@QualityEJC

5 күн бұрын

Yes but Undertaker still protected his finisher because the ref had to run 1/4 mile just to start the count.

@mattm7798

4 күн бұрын

Right, and it meant something because the tombstone was protected. Now, when someone kicks out of say, the claymore....ok par for the course. No suspense there.

He's right, though. No one protects their finisher anymore. Everyone kicks out of everything.

@pdegan2814

5 күн бұрын

It's like they forgot that the reason HBK kicking out of the Tombstone was such a big moment is BECAUSE it was such a rare thing.

@GABRIELA-ACEVEDO.

5 күн бұрын

Crazy that there are some kicking out at 1 count now. Like Drew against Brock at WrestleMania 36. Rollins kicking out now like 4 different times in a match. Wouldn't be a problem if someone took a bit to get to the other wrestler for the cover, but.... not right away after just getting hit with a finishing move. It's over done these days.

@billybadass3056

5 күн бұрын

this is a nuanced conversation... is he right TO A POINT.. yes.. BUT there are some wrestlers, LIKE HIM, who are STILL the MOST Protected of everybody and it just needs basic common sense to see that... just ask yourself, how many times have you seen anybody kick out of such and such's move and when you find out the number then you know this person is still on another tier then anybody else...

@GESSO217

5 күн бұрын

Agreed. Jake Roberts would give someone a DDT and it was 1,2,3. Now someone like Moxley could take a DDT off the top rope and kick out at 1 or 2.

@Isamuavanara

5 күн бұрын

Omega has a finisher that no one ever kicked out of.

I hate how they made Sweet Chin Music or Super Kick a regular move in the modern era, using it more than 5 times in each match.

@meguminchan4809

5 күн бұрын

Or more than a dozens(The Usos)

@TwinOpinion

5 күн бұрын

I don't like it either, but it's always been true. The Hammer Lock used to be a finisher. It just get's more ridiculous as the moves become more bombastic.

@SeiryuuX

5 күн бұрын

TBF to the Super Kick, it was a regular move for the Rockers back in the 80s and early 90's. Also, the Superkick was the setup move for HBK's Teardrop Suplex finisher up until Survivor Series 1994 TBF to the Rockers, they only using it once or twice in a match, unlike the spam done in the indies from early 2000s til now and current main US promotions.

@Jdark777

5 күн бұрын

Not worse then canadoiian destroyer so many times it looks pointless

@KDB349

5 күн бұрын

The superkicks are not finishers lol. The sweet chin music is.

"His leg had a spring in it" 😭😭😭

@Knicks518

5 күн бұрын

Lmao so funny, even more when you know undertaker can’t stand Shawn Michaels. Chris new what he was doing mentioning it 😂😂😂😂😂

@kc4276

5 күн бұрын

​@@Knicks518 That was in the past. They're both friends now (and they also have religion in common).

@DanielJohnson-dw3jd

5 күн бұрын

​@@Knicks518not anymore undertaker said he loves Shawn now but back in the day he didn't care for him at all

@ryuno2097

5 күн бұрын

Pls dont cry bhai. 😢

@Knicks518

4 күн бұрын

@@DanielJohnson-dw3jd no sorry, in Undertakers own words “ I care very little for Shawn Michaels at this point” when did he say this ? Well he said it 2 days ago on Mavens channel discussing the ladder match between him and Shawn. You can go watch it right now actually. Do that and come back and apologize👍😄

Amen to that, the “false finish” is so overdone that I don’t even pop for finishers anymore. You know it’s getting kicked out of

@LtJackStone

5 күн бұрын

Something like that should be reserved for Pay-Per-Views and only once in awhile.

@SpongeBobRickGrimes

5 күн бұрын

That's a common episode of AEW Dynamite lol ​@@LtJackStone

@dangerousdays2052

3 күн бұрын

Stop being a sheep and learn some critical thinking skills. Pro wrestling has enough bandwagon jumpers. 🙄🙄

@guillaumejuillard8258

2 күн бұрын

Taker is a little bit of a hypocrite here. He killed the impact of the chokeslam and the last ride (deteriorating the perception of powerbombs), those 2 moves when done by Taker were ALWAYS leading to a kick-out... It made those 2 moves look like low quality signature moves... Which is dumb because it's many people's finishers...

Finishers, to me, are an important part of the story telling!

Definitely agree with what he's saying here. I had stopped watching wrestling in 2007 but starting watching again in 2021. And the amount of times guys kick out of finishers now is maddening! I remember watching a Lesnar match and someone kicked out of an f5 and my jaw dropped because in 2002, you ain't kicking out of an f5. Reminds me too much like video game wrestling.

@guillaumejuillard8258

2 күн бұрын

Taker is a little bit of a hypocrite here. He killed the impact of the chokeslam and the last ride (deteriorating the perception of powerbombs), those 2 moves when done by Taker were ALWAYS leading to a kick-out... It made those 2 moves look like low quality signature moves... Which is dumb because it's many people's finishers...

"instead of risking giving them a bad tombstone" taker always tried to look out for his opponent. He's a class act.

Him going through all of his finishes is making me realise The Undertaker possibly has the best names in his move set in WWE history. Tombstone Piledriver. Last Ride. Hell's Gate. Old School. Snake Eyes. The list goes on. 🔥🔥🔥

@Ajithkumar-hs2sk

4 күн бұрын

There's a video of him doing moves he has something near 30 signature

@liudxdx

4 күн бұрын

He’s the WWE Michael Jordan

@guillaumejuillard8258

Күн бұрын

@@Ajithkumar-hs2sk Taker is a little bit of a hypocrite here. He killed the impact of the chokeslam and the last ride (deteriorating the perception of powerbombs), those 2 moves when done by Taker were ALWAYS leading to a kick-out... It made those 2 moves look like low quality signature moves... Which is dumb because it's many people's finishers...

@Entertainment-is6ex

Күн бұрын

@@guillaumejuillard8258Chokeslam yes (he made some people’s finisher into his secondary move, or set up for the finisher). But Last Ride was a pretty well protected finisher in the American Badass era, not a lot of kick outs…

Its like almost every flipping match has to have those dramatic 1-2-ALMOST kick outs and when you do them all the time, they are no longer all that dramatic, but rather expected. This was over a decade ago, but I was at WrestleMania 29 for Rock and Cena II and the crowd didn't even react to the first finish and kickout because by that point, we had already been conditioned to expect at least five more.

@carljohnson8997

4 күн бұрын

The Cena/Punk series is when multiple finisher kick outs really became the new norm. Then the second Rock/Cena went even further but to a flat crowd. Cena is one of the biggest offenders of devaluing his finisher in the last decade. I recall his US Title challenge where any random jobber would answer his challenge and kick out of the AA. But I think the most egregious might be Reigns/Brock at WM from 2018 (is that 34? not really keeping up anymore) when Brock hit his first F5 while on a split screen replay and the crowd had NO reaction at all. The match just went on to become finisher exchanges until Brock finally won after, like, ten F5s.

@PBLightning145

4 күн бұрын

​@@carljohnson8997No

Remember when I was a kid, kicking out of a finisher was a big deal now it means nothing.

The most protected move in all of wrestling now is the roll up

@guillaumejuillard8258

Күн бұрын

Taker is a little bit of a hypocrite here. He killed the impact of the chokeslam and the last ride (deteriorating the perception of powerbombs), those 2 moves when done by Taker were ALWAYS leading to a kick-out... It made those 2 moves look like low quality signature moves... Which is dumb because it's many people's finishers...

Knockout to finisher always been great when done right if it's not being over used and it will add to the story then let it happen because it always adds a lot to the match

Cody Vs Aj at Backlash is a good example of not needing a finisher spam fest to make a match good.

@PBLightning145

4 күн бұрын

The match sucked

@Tumorcoach

3 күн бұрын

@@PBLightning145not at all hence why you had to like your own comment cause nobody agreed 😂

@PPP-dr8ng

2 күн бұрын

​@@PBLightning145 you must love superkick spams

Taker vs HBK Wrestlemania matches definitely influenced the modern generation with the kickouts of finishers but that was a formula created by Austin/Rock Wrestlemania trilogy.

@jasontodd1896

5 күн бұрын

Agreed

@AGThatsagenius

5 күн бұрын

Well said

I feel like a better way to do it is countering the finisher before it connects, not just kicking out of it. That way if someone doesn't counter it, he's out and then if someone does kick out, it's a big pop. So that way it keeps its power, it's just a matter of trying to counter it.

My biggest complaint with a lot of matches is that they don’t feel like fights so much as exhibitions.

@chubbycatfish4573

5 күн бұрын

Matches are glorified cirque du soleil performances much of the time nowadays.

@fscorpion678

2 күн бұрын

So?

@easter_sunday

2 күн бұрын

@@fscorpion678 it’s a poor imitation of Chinese acrobatics. Why not just watch that?

@guillaumejuillard8258

Күн бұрын

@@chubbycatfish4573 Taker is a little bit of a hypocrite here. He killed the impact of the chokeslam and the last ride (deteriorating the perception of powerbombs), those 2 moves when done by Taker were ALWAYS leading to a kick-out... It made those 2 moves look like low quality signature moves... Which is dumb because it's many people's finishers...

@gk2370

14 сағат бұрын

​@@chubbycatfish4573 Especially when a wrestler dives outside the ring, and 4 to 6 people stand on the ringside to catch them. It becomes repetitive

I met The Undertaker he's a very nice guy

@raymondtipton7243

4 күн бұрын

Where did you meet him at sir?

@undertakerfanz628

4 күн бұрын

@@raymondtipton7243 Hmv record store in Manhattan he was signing autographs for the WWF cassette tape Full Metal containing the wrestlers entrance music

The last ride is my fav finisher so cool how high he powerbombs people

@guillaumejuillard8258

2 күн бұрын

Taker is a little bit of a hypocrite here. He killed the impact of the chokeslam and the last ride (deteriorating the perception of powerbombs), those 2 moves when done by Taker were ALWAYS leading to a kick-out... It made those 2 moves look like low quality signature moves... Which is dumb because it's many people's finishers...

Hell's Gate got me into training BJJ all those years ago lol

This is true and a shame. There use to be a time when a wrestler would hit their finisher and that would be the end of the match. I understand when Undertaker talks about him and Michaels because of that story at the time. But now a days like I said its a shame that now a days wrestlers are expected to kickout of finishing moves.

Key point he says here that a lot of people miss when constructing their move set is having a second. You can protect your number 1, but having a wide range of moves that you can do that aren’t finishers but still get a reaction is vital. Old School, Last Ride, Chokeslam, Hells Gate, Deadmans Dive, Guillotine Leg Drop, big boot. A bunch of moves Taker had to play with to still make the match entertaining to watch. There’s also a psychology to it. If your finisher is easy to set up and always wins the match, there’s gonna be alot of points where you should’ve gone for your finisher. Getting someone into the tombstone position isn’t easy, and there aren’t a lot of situations during a match (that isn’t the finish) where he should’ve gone for it. A move set is your tool set for creating your matches, construct it with care

Takers the best wrestler

@JTG-wt8eb

5 күн бұрын

Your the best commenter.

@rabidcujocrazy7462

5 күн бұрын

​@@JTG-wt8eb you're the best replier

@danieldanby6237

5 күн бұрын

This is the best thread

@JohnRock14

4 күн бұрын

Im the best

@endtimesdarknessdescending5634

11 сағат бұрын

All of you all are delusional ... I'm the best ... period!!!

Love the call back here to CVV's interview with Lance Storm when they talked about superkicks and Sweet Chin Music. Nice!

I remember if Undertaker used the Tombstone during his Biker days it meant you were done. Also random fact but I think Kane's Tombstone is one of the most protected finishers ever.

Not every move can be a finisher unfortunately. But guys like Roman, Orton, hell even Omega do protect their finisher. Cody had to invent the triple Crossroads, I mean there are ways.

@SuperSaiyanBroku

5 күн бұрын

Yeah this is the problem with LA night in my opinion His finisher is trash

@thatBoneHead

5 күн бұрын

It always makes me laugh when Orton fails an RKO just for him to get pushed to the ropes.

@josewmeldondo

5 күн бұрын

Not necessarily, but it is missing something to give it that "oomph!" factor. It just can't put my finger on it​@SuperSaiyanBroku.

@suspensionkid2544

5 күн бұрын

​@@SuperSaiyanBroku it's a Dirty Deeds knockoff.

@colebacca1369

5 күн бұрын

@@suspensionkid2544it’s a lot better than dirty deeds lol

We're now conditioned to expect a finisher to be near useless to the point unless it's hit multiple times. It feels like a boring checklist sidequest: "Hit 4 finishers - 0/4" They need to make finishers one and done again, so then when that odd kickout happens, it will be a much bigger deal. Like who was expecting HBK or Edge to kick out of Taker's tombstone in their respective WM matches? It was such a mind blowing thing.

@colmecolwag

2 күн бұрын

Yeah, but how do you put the toothpaste back in the tube? A finisher taking someone out in just one of them makes a character look Weak now ...that's why you gotta make new Super Finishers to replace the old ones I guess

That is a tough one because HBK kicking out of the tombstone at WM 25 and seeing Taker’s face is a moment I’ll never forget. However have it become a norm today is too much. When it happens at Wrestlemania, it’s no longer shocking. It’s almost expected to be part of a random tv episode or b tier ppv this point.

Growing up 4-5 wrestlers kicked out of finishes. Taker, Kane and Warrior were supernatural so it made sense. Andre was too big and Hulk fed off the crowd so they could claim adrenaline.

UNDERTAKER IS THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME! Always been my favorite, no one can touch what he’s contributed to the business, and no….not hogan.

It's crazy to think that Baron Corbin's finish is the most protected finishing move there is still today despite it having some kickouts like 3

@Makron5

5 күн бұрын

Khalas from Jinder was protected last I remember but I haven't watched in years.

@zanethind

5 күн бұрын

@@Makron5 it was kicked out

The dragon sleeper!!! I thought that was so awesome and different when you were doing that. Thank you Taker!

So fascinating to hear the perspectives and stories from Taker knowing he comes from that era we'll never witness again

@PBLightning145

4 күн бұрын

Ok

The hells gate was so impressive when I saw it I was doing it 😂😂😂

Finishers don’t mean shit today. It really grinds my gears. What’s the point of a finished if they just kick out of them?

Today few people take the finishiers the right way, I'm with The Undertaker

Best power bomb ever was the Last ride! 2nd best the jack knife

He's absolutely right, as usual I might add. Back at Wrestlemania 18 when it was Taker vs Flair (American Bad Ass times), in the end he brought him in position for the last ride just to change it into the tombstone piledriver. This gave the term "finisher" so much meaning, especially in the context of the feud back then and the whole match between them.

The last ride and tombstone piledriver were good finisher that could be performed on the smaller guys, the chokeslam was a good finishers for some of the bigger guys as they could help Taker deliver it.

I agree that finishers should be protected and only save the kick out of for very special events. To kick out of them on free TV is just doing a disservice to the move as it makes it look weak. I still remember Mick legitimately kicking out of Triple H's pedigree so he could go out on the thumbtacks. The pop that erupted and the legitimate shock on Paul's face was a sight to see live. Same is said for the Sweet Chin Music into Pedigree in the End of the Era match being a testament to how you can pull off the false finish to perfection. It was, at least at the time, the one point we all believed the Streak was going to end. The subsequent pop after the kick out and JR shouting on TV "The Streak lives!" echoes throughout history.

Great clip!

my all time favorite

Listen never have i saw a super kick and thought it was the finish. When you saw the Sweet Chin Music you knew that it was over for the most part lol. If anything, a superkick is a signature lol.

@emeraldaly7646

4 күн бұрын

Yeah, the "tuning up the band" part makes it a finisher, and uniquely HBK.

Macho Man was prophetic when he said "Nothing means nothing!"

He's absolutely right.

I started watching wrestling again and it seems everyone now does the stone cold stunner and the pedigree

That's what Austin was saying when Cena started using that springboard stunner

@KaitouKaiju

5 күн бұрын

Personally, I think that springboard stunner is different enough from the stone cold stunner that they register as two different moves.

@lancethefilmguy9392

5 күн бұрын

Not a fan of KO using the Stone Cold Stunner myself

@kennethvega7242

5 күн бұрын

@@KaitouKaiju well that's the point it look more devastating

@kennethvega7242

5 күн бұрын

@@lancethefilmguy9392 KO had some kind of a piledriver as his finisher in ROH but he couldn't use it in WWE for obvious reasons

@undertakernumberone1

5 күн бұрын

​@@kennethvega7242Package Piledriver

One question I’d love to ask Taker is, what is the etiquette in using someone else’s signiture finish? Owen did the tombstone to Bret at WM 10 (knees first just like Taker) and Bret kicked out. Except Taker was taking time off then and probably wasn’t even there at the event. Owen would do the sit down tombstone on Austin and severely injure him…just curious to hear his take on all that.

Nobody kicked out of his tombstones until Kane did that in 1998!

@sreegk106

23 сағат бұрын

Hogan did before Kane.

Hell's Gate was my absolute favourite. When that came out, it was like Taker had unlocked Ultra Instinct or another sort of power up. They told that story well.

I like the point he made about the crazy bumps in Japan. The likes of Misawa turned Japan into a head drop circus and every big new move was “what silly way can I drop you on your head next” so you can kick out

Finishers need to be protected so that when someone does kick out, it’s a huge deal.

@tjstraw1

5 күн бұрын

Less is more, and more is less 👍

@redrick8900

5 күн бұрын

No. That's lame story telling. Seeing a finisher and knowing the match is over is boring.

@carlosr6462

4 күн бұрын

@@redrick8900 I'm happy you don't work in a wrestling company

@redrick8900

4 күн бұрын

@@carlosr6462 I'm happy that wrestling isn't hack and formulaic like it used to be.

No one ever kicked out of the Razors Edge.

Loved the choke slam

After watching this I instantly remember one guy in AEW do a tombstone piledriver from the 2nd rope for a 2 count, on a Wednesday.

@kurtismorris9101

4 күн бұрын

It was no better back in the day, Hulk Hogan no sold people's finisher by getting right back up, Ultimate Warrior got right back up from the Pedigree, Tazz, Road Warrior Hawk got right back up a second later after they were hit with piledrivers. Tazz used to get right back up after being hit with piledrivers and powerbomb. I was just watching a video of it yesterday.

@adultishgambino1

3 күн бұрын

Meanwhile Dominick Mysterio hits a Canadian destroyer for a 2 count on a Monday. It’s an industry issue

Legend

0:42 Shawn kicked out.... But, the second WrestleMania match... When Shawn kicked out, then the then the Undertaker actually jumped up to perform another tombstone... Awesome It added emphasis to the move And you knew nobody was getting out of that

@colmecolwag

2 күн бұрын

Brother spent half a bar to EX that move

The Maven drop kick the greatest finisher of all time

The most protected finisher = muscle buster.

Your finales needs to mean something in ANY form of story telling, it's the same reason why if you're writing a story, and a lot of characters keep having fake out deaths or near death experiences, audiences won't believe the ONE time that you actually DO kill a character. Scarcity matters, the Streak is the prime example of that. The more you preserve something, the bigger the pay off when you DO finally break that rule, the key is though, you can't have JUST one thing. Taker's legacy is filled with so much mystique because it has so many beginnings and ends with long stretches in between- Like the first ever casket match, the first hell in a cell, the first buried alive match, the first inferno match, the first time someone ever fell OFF the hell in a cell- The first Wrestlemania win, all the way to the first Wrestlemania loss- The Undertaker character was an accidental/intentional master class in both what makes wrestling great AND what makes a good character and story. I'm not even sure Mark himself knows just how savvy he was in everything- Even in the ways in which he sacrificed the sanctity of certain spots like Old School. "I've been doing this for thirty years, you'd think SOME BODY would have the scouting report by now-" Was his response to when he got some push back towards letting some of the guys occasionally counter his signature moves- I think one of the greatest things Taker did was he realized that he needed VERSATILITY in his signatures/finishers. Last Ride, Old School, the Apron leg drop, Hell's Gate, the chokeslam, the Tombstone, the outside dive, the flying clothesline- He had a move for EVERY occasion, and each of them had varying levels of protection- Which allowed for more variety in story telling as well.

I actually couldn't believe that cody had to hit logan paul with 3 cross rhodes in a row. At the end of the day he's a mid card champion for the less prestigious mid card championship. How can I take your finisher seriously if logan paul can take 3?

The first time id ever seen hells gate was when taker wrestled big daddy v.

Nobody has ever kicked out of the sharpshooter! 😁

The problem with Taker saying this is that he spent nearly ten years doing the “can’t believe this guy kicked out of the Tombstone” shocked face spot.

The part most people may have missed is that Taker built a career with no one kicking out to it. Even all the other guys. If someone’s gonna kick out then it’s gotta be in a select time not all the time

so cool he has a bandana, backwards cap and shades on the cap :D

Yes!!!!!!!

One of the many things that have devolved in wrestling. When someone kicked out of a finisher, it was not only rare, it meant something. Now people take 15 "finishers".

Everyone got a super kick when shawn super kick meant the end, the spears, power bombs etc

I couldn't agree more. I didn't watch wrestling for 20 years and came back for WM40. As enjoyable as the show was, I had a few issues. A big one being finishers being meaningless. I wouldn't even call them finishers, they were more like trademark or signature moves. On the subject of finishers, I also hated how everyone signalled their finisher with a drawn out, cheesy signal or gesture. Just do the damned move!

Jey Uso should watch this. Superkick, Superkick, Superkick, Spear, Spear, Splash. YAWN

Dragon’s Sleeper was one of my favorites and hells gate!

He's absolutely right. Finishers don't mean anything anymore. It all started when WWE was trying to push Roman Reigns at the initial stages. He would regularly kick out of finishers and to keep others in the competition, they started letting others kick out of finishers as well. Eventually, finishers lost their value.

One of my favorite finishers is from a Superstar who is unfortunately not wrestling anymore,Luther Reigns.His finisher the “Reign Of Terror” is Awesome.

It’s the way it goes. Look at old wrestling matches from 1985 in the NWA. 25 minutes of 2 guys taking turns in shoulder barging each other for 10 minutes before a suplex , the crowd would be going mental after it.. kids now have shorter attention spans and are less impressed by a leg drop

Everybody saying "When HBK did the sweet chin music, the other guy didn't get up" seems to be forgetting that in the DX reruns, the sweet chin music was basically a transitional move to Triple H's pedigree, it didn't even knock people down 😅

Just realised how old I am, my first son was born, when taker started. He is in his thirties.😢

Finishes use to mean everything. Nobody ever kicked out of the Batista bomb that’s why I thought he was gonna end the streak at WM 23 was shocked he was the first ever to kick out and only one of three to kick out of it

Last Ride and Hell's Gate werr my faves

That's why I suggested to call "finishers" now "insanity moves" instead. Why? Well, not because the performance looks insane, but because of the definition of the word insanity. And that's doing the same thing over and over again but expecting a different result, each time you do. And by having all those gazillion of near falls in modern matches after a gazillion FINISHER, I think that definition would fit!

In all fairness, Hogan had leg drop as finisher, and almost every wrestler used it as part of their regular move set, wouldn't be surprised some midcard gonna start his match by instantly delivering tombstone followed up by super kick and using stunner as cherry on top. Oh wait, we already got such individual, some guy named Kevin Owens.

What seperates a regular move from a finisher is the special flair ppl put on a move before they execute it. A ddt is a ddt unless its delivered like Jake where he raises the fist up and goes in for that sudden drop. Bobby Roode had the Glorious DDT, He would do the Glorious arm pose before he hit an impaler style ddt. Same with superkicks, HBK would tune up the band with his stomping wake up taunt or he could hit it outta nowhere like the RKO. If you use a spear as a finish you almost have to make it unique, every former football player in pro wrestling uses a spear as a finish these days.

honestly i will go into another route with this one. i know its a staple basically the signature of a wrestler but fuck finishers because you would think that you could beat a person with any big move you got instead of just that one move that you keep using repeatedly week in week out.

Ill always remember when Taker kicked out of Jake's DDT. It was momentous.

It's not just kicking out of finishers, it's matches never ending from anything other than finishers too. They don't need to go full King's Road or anything, but the top guys should only be needing their main finisher in big matches. Doesn't mean they can't use it ever. Then even an attempt at it is great drama and when someone finally kicks out of it like Shawn kicking out of the tombstone, everyone will remember it.

Shawn Michaels's Sweet Chain Music meant something. Nowadays everybody doing a super kick like nothing.

Kicking out of finishers should be used sparingly. Christmas is special because it's once a year. It would mean nothing if it were every day.

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Finishers don't mean anything anymore though. I can understand Rock kicking out the Stunner, because him, and Austin was on a Mega level, and was meant to be the best in the ring, and the business. So I can understand them kicking out each other's finishers with a crazy rivalry they had. I can understand Kane kicking out of a finisher, because of how hungry he was for a title even if he still lost the match. The build up to those were perfect. It was perfect, because kicking out of finishers were very rare, and unexpected. When they did it you got a "OMG HE KICKED OUT!!! I DON'T BELIEVE IT!! IT'S NOT OVER!" Now though everything is so normal when it comes to kicking out today's wrestler's finish that there is no shock to it. The finisher move is supposed to be your special. Now it's just a regular move, that's predictable about getting kick outs. Same as matches you know that's going to be interfered. Take last night for example. A match Sheamus interrupted with Bron Breakker, Ludwig Kaiser, and the week before that his match was interrupted by Ludwig Kaiser. I get that they trying to build up superstars of the future, but it's ok to let one lose to each other, instead of always having someone interfere to protect them. No one even announces a winner because of the DQ anymore, because it's so normal to do now. Hell people would actually attack one of the wrestlers when the referee is about to slam his hand for the three count just so they wouldn't win. If DQ still meant anything that wouldn't keep happening, but now it's just a way to continue the feud with no consciences (spell check)

Stone Cold V Rock at WM17 had exchanges of finishers as well. I think rather than dilute the finsher, have more sophisticated counters and defenses to finishers. Have build up manuevers that set up your finisher, get your momentum building up to the finisher that concurrently telegraph that the finisher is coming and give the opponent the opportunity to counter. It still gives gravity to finishers and gravity to the sequence of moves that lead up to a finisher. Have momentum disrupting moves that attack body parts, be versatile in your attack on certain body parts. Have entry tier momentum/momentum disruptors movesets at the beginning that are technical, then middle tier high impact...and then pre finisher momentum/momentum disruptor moves that are sub finisher moves like DDT and Spinebusters. You can have kickouts post finishers, but only intermittently for really big events. As if the gravity of the moment fuels the resilience of the opponent. But no finisher kickouts on a episode of raw. And definitely not even having multiple kickouts at all for a standard PPV. Maybe 1 finisher kickout on a PPV. And then on RR, WM, and SS for the headliner matches only you can have your multiple finisher kickouts to reflect the moment.

"Its evolving... just backwards" (Yes I'm aware its devolving lol)

Man Taker is a library.

Corrbin’s number two is the Deep Six I have only ever seen a single 3 count coming out of the deep 6 other than that one everyone kicks out.

I've said for years that you can triangulate the uptick in kicking out of finishers back to Taker/Shawn from Mania 25. It wasn't the start of it by no means. But I'd say every wrestler on the planet saw that match and wanted create the same moment they did when HBK kept kicking out of the Tombstones. One of thos rare instances where something so popular/iconic unfortunately also comes with a setback.

Nowadays matches are a kickout fest, and people call them 5 star matches.

@Cremig

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Each their own

The silent agreement between wrestlers and the crowd in which kicking out of a finisher equates to "this is awesome" chants has really watered down the aura of finishers overall. It's the one I'm really surprised that hasn't changed under Triple H's leadership.

Finishers still mean something lol talk about dramatizing but I get he's from a different time and all respect to him, great guy.