Yes team. Here’s the timestamps: 00:00 Intro 01:20 The Focus on Identity in Politics 14:32 The Left and Misrepresentation 25:28 Improving Communication Across the Aisle 29:46 David’s View of the Right 40:14 Big Pharma 46:08 The Left’s Biggest Challenges 56:53 Where to Find David

@williamckama8470

2 жыл бұрын

Landscape of God? They are on my landscape

@jeupater1429

2 жыл бұрын

Packman is right that a lot of the left is more moderate than twitter would make it seem. Regardless of Twitter tho, this hard left ideology is pumped through all of our cultural institutions. What Packman doesn't get, is that the moderate bulk he speaks of are just the stragglers "to be herded" by the elite activists guiding the party. Most Germans weren't nazis when the nazis took over. But the majority is easily herded by those in power. And if ppl think that herding isn't happening in America, they're blind

@JonDoe-ti2mb

2 жыл бұрын

Usually love you Chris but its hard to watch an interview where someone can say that there were no black lives matter riots and get no pushback, when they happened outside my window.

@StoryThyme100

2 жыл бұрын

@@JonDoe-ti2mb. Go Brandon!!!!

@colinmacdonald2871

2 жыл бұрын

Well done for speaking to him.

Packman is fascinating. He has a veneer of the balanced pundit, then will say that there was absolutely no riots from the black lives matter group, the only instance of a riot that he can consider, being January 6th. I know that we all have our biases, and from his perspective, I might be crazy, but it really is a one screen two movies thing.

@ozymandias6743

2 жыл бұрын

Big thumbs up from the PNW where the reality of BLM riots is simply irrefutable.

@notsocrates9529

2 жыл бұрын

I would pay money to see this guy and Sam Seder locked in a cage with 3 starved bears. No guns for protection either because that is a right wing ideal.

@faturechi

2 жыл бұрын

One of the most dishonest people in the world.

@cheesemakerkeesee395

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah and it's really weird because on most topics he's actually pretty nonpartisan but the second it comes to BLM he becomes just as partisan as a senator

@tonycatman

2 жыл бұрын

This was exactly the bit of "jumping the shark" that I picked up on. He said he had never heard of them called riots outside extreme reporting. That Jan 6th was a real riot. An assertion of that type is almost like Big Brother confidently asserting that 2+2=5.

"what riots?". Dude...

Pakman is in his own echo chamber Chris; I'm in Canada and Pakman's got no idea how bad the drift of the left to irrationality is in the North American 'anglo-sphere'. KEEP UP THE CONVERSATION !!! :)

@robertbeckler5058

2 жыл бұрын

He has no clue or idea. He is what I call a do gooder. Standing up for trash because the taste of boots is all he knows.

@ryandury

2 жыл бұрын

How so? If you're not in a university or on Twitter, most of Canada doesn't care about identify politics. I'd say the biggest distinction/change is our awareness around indigenous issues, and that's not an entirely a bad thing.

@tonycatman

2 жыл бұрын

'I've never heard of the term "Black Lives Matter Riots" before'...othert than conspiracy. "When I think of riots, I think of January 6th." This is either delusional or dishonest. I'm flabbergasted.

@ryandury

2 жыл бұрын

@@NC-dw3tk the prime minister isn't "most of Canada"... And again I'd say most Canadians don't buy his platitudes

@ryandury

2 жыл бұрын

@@NC-dw3tk I think his reelection reaffirms neo-liberalism, rather than "leftism". Had that been a big part of the Canadian identity (or "tax the rich" type rhetoric) we would've voted in the NDP party, which is far more in line with progressive politics.

David Pakman lecturing us on neutrality and objectivity is seriously hilarious.

@keithmccracken5557

2 жыл бұрын

Then when your finished laughing you want to vomit.

@AustinPowerz-bn5ry

2 жыл бұрын

Aint nothing funny about it, sadly.

@elektrotehnik94

2 жыл бұрын

It seems to me that if you really pay attention, you can see he wasn't lecturing, he was just expressing his opinion in a respectable way. He was pointing out the dangers of not using one's brain to judge sources responsibly. Yes, to me too it seems that David Pakman is often biased in this, but you are blind if you don't see you are often biased yourself. Pointing out this dynamic on neutrality vs. objectivity & David's view on it, just helps Chris expose how both extremes have dangers to the quality of public discussion inherent in them. Extremes: 1.) Not inviting people that think differently than you is judging too harshly (something which David Pakman seems often guilty enough of) 2.) Inviting any nutter that has no rational arguments, only non-data supported, emotional opinions, in judging not harsh enough.

@williamerdman4888

2 жыл бұрын

@@elektrotehnik94 I think you're missing my point. David Pakman is so biased himself that the lecture sounds silly coming from him. In this discussion alone, he regularly exposes his biases.... he is blind to them. Chris, on the other hand comes off much less biased, perhaps because he is the interviewer, but I often find him "unbiased".

@elektrotehnik94

2 жыл бұрын

@@williamerdman4888 I helps everybody to have a respectful conversation with a biased person, especially with a biased person that leads a big part of the left politics. Ignoring the problem is not going to solve the problem, it is stupid & leads to US riots that happened. My point was engaging with (from what I understand) biased thought leaders like David Pakman bring much more good than bad & is the only way forward towards a better society.

This Guy has been living under a rock

@Gibblets411

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ruturaj22 This is exactly it.

@stevenswall

11 ай бұрын

I checked the date several minutes in thinking this must be from half a decade ago or more.

Well I was willing to give this a try because I love Chris's stuff. I made it up until he said "I don't remember the BLM riots but I remember the January 6th riots." What a loon.

@aabaaa9993

2 жыл бұрын

Same. I couldn't make it beyond that point. The BLM riots caused around $2,000,000,000 (billion) in property damage. Januray 6th only reached $1,500,000 (million). The BLM riots were 1,333x worse. The difference is staggering and it doesn't include the lives lost during BLMs riots, and you can't calculate the level of emotional damage done to business owners who lost livelihoods. Not to mention their success at defunding the police which led to the rise of violent crime in some areas doubling or more for months and are still at far higher levels than they should be. Regardless of views or opinions, unless they're ignorant to it, anyone who can't recognize that or denies it isn't worth listening to and just can't be trusted. Infuriating.

@josephconsiglio965

2 жыл бұрын

Right - pretty convenient not to remember the burned cities and billions in property damage.

@blackwinterproductions2185

2 жыл бұрын

He lost all credibility at that moment!

@srinigypsy

2 жыл бұрын

did he really say they were "mostly peaceful"😂

@cullidge

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly when I bailed

Chris did a really great job here. Not easy speaking to a partisan.

@kayakMike1000

2 жыл бұрын

Can't talk to a psycho like a normal human being... Poe...

@notsocrates9529

2 жыл бұрын

6:36 JFC. What a clown.

@cheesemakerkeesee395

2 жыл бұрын

I don't think David pakman is really a partisan, I think his issue is that he surrounds himself with non-partisans and creates an echo chamber of decent human beings who happen to be a liberal, thereby purposely ignoring the crazy people. Ive seen right-wing pundits do the same thing

@kayakMike1000

2 жыл бұрын

@@cheesemakerkeesee395 do you watch his show and read the comments? He certainly sounds partisan and extremely Trump Derangement Syndrome. His audience seems fairly hateful and not welcome of different viewpoints. At least that was MY experience, they did not make a great impression on me.

@nishita3084

2 жыл бұрын

@@kayakMike1000 Depends on what these different viewpoints are...if they are objectively wrong viewpoints, or conspiracy theories, we (David's fanbase) will obviously disapprove and push back against them. We are a-ok with different viewpoints otherwise.

Ha! This dude has shown up in so many other podcasts that when you see his face, you just roll your eyes….. LOVE YOU CHRIS!

@ottovcr

2 жыл бұрын

Physiognomy is real

@jesperburns

2 жыл бұрын

@@ottovcr Physiognomy was not at all implied by the comment you responded to, but okay.

@ottovcr

2 жыл бұрын

@@jesperburns pakman looks gay

@jesperburns

2 жыл бұрын

@@ottovcr How does one "look gay"?

"When I think of riots in 2020, I think of January 6..." this guy is a overconfident doofus who speaks well

@allseeingry2487

2 жыл бұрын

He’s got distinctly average double speak that equates to the ability of a low level politician. Dave swerves all the hard questions deflects all the stuff he knows that we knows he knows is true. Emperors new clothes. Transparent. I believe his hearts In the right place though and he thinks he’s in the right side at least.

@andnowawordfromoursponsors4439

2 жыл бұрын

overconfident doofus who speaks well is a perfect summery of this person

@userumbleandgettr4freespee501

2 жыл бұрын

One was because of lies and distortion about police brutality And one was an underwhelming and well deserved reckoning from the American people for many issues

@vikeightEsix

2 жыл бұрын

" this guy is a overconfident doofus who speaks well" Imagine Vaush speaking with a voice matching his exterieur.

@userumbleandgettr4freespee501

2 жыл бұрын

@@AlfredMorganAllen Very well said. I don’t believe there are more of those morons than the people who voted for America first. There can’t be

He’s a civilized-sounding leftist with a graduate student’s enthusiasm. He is very important in his own eyes.

Well done on having an open conversation, I have to say I think this chap is an apologist and a denialist 'I dont see this so it doesn't exist'. He seems to wilfully dismiss high profile identity politic policies _as proposed and enacted_ . An example of this dissonance is his constant reference to January 6, a single event, against his argument that the BLM riots were a minority of the BLM actions. In net terms BLM riots were more numerous, killed more people and did more economic damage but he sets this aside. Interesting chat, an exercise in patience.

@bwbw382

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed, my exercise in patience lasted half way through, I have work to do.

@kevenfromsales6830

2 жыл бұрын

Alec Baldwin killed more people than all Jan 6th protesters combined. Also still nobody is even charged for insurection or treason lol

@lisaaxelsson9970

2 жыл бұрын

It is like you read my mind! I stopped watching Pakman efter 2018 for exactly the reasons you pointed out he is an apologist/denialist! How he dismissed the BLM "protests" (riots!!) as "mostly Peiceful " is exactly what the MSM said all the time. I was curious to hear how Pakman has evolved....I'm happy i realized long time ago that it was and still is a waste of time watching him as well as Kyle Kylinske

@stellercorpse

2 жыл бұрын

It's arguable that the high murder rate last year was because of the riots and anti-cop movement. That would put the murders from the BLM riots in the hundreds or thousands.

@snorgonofborkkad

2 жыл бұрын

He keeps minimizing everything that's maximally problematic. That's a classic sign someone doesn't have a clear way of thinking.

This just gets worse every time I watch him. I'm sorry to flood the comment section, but seriously. Big pharma's profit incentive is tempered in this scenario by morality? Really? There's no reason they would want to profit off of a faulty treatment? That's totally unprecedented? What a bunch of baloney.

@derbidyderks

2 жыл бұрын

@@MR-jd1wq You caught me.

@keithmccracken5557

2 жыл бұрын

They (big pharma) are probably sitting on a cure for many things like cancers, hypertension and HIV just to name a few.

@elementaesthetique

2 жыл бұрын

Pfizer was negotiating with like Argentina and they wanted to be immune from ACTUAL FRAUD lol not even just negligence. They also wanted military assets as collateral from many countries.

Hang on, was there not property damage in the millions from the BLM riots? was that episode in Seattle peaceful? There certainly more fatalities than the Washington riot.

@williamerdman4888

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ruturaj22 Bullshit!

@lorddenalian

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ruturaj22 if only there was fire damage and looting then it’s actually mostly peaceful protesting. That video of them walking in a line and Capital Police giving tours was so horrible I got nightmares.

@NA-oo4ls

2 жыл бұрын

@@williamerdman4888 There's obviously a disconnect between a lot of people on what happened January 6, as shown in the video and in this comment section. If you would articulate your position, and ignore any assholes, it might be beneficial to everyone.

@williamerdman4888

2 жыл бұрын

@@NA-oo4ls I think you're reacting to my "Bullshit" response, which I rarely do. To call the Washington and Portland BLM/George Floyd riots as peaceful is just too much, too unrealistic. In fact, I think that lawlessness was the catalyst to Jan. 6th SNL insurrection activities. I don't think there is any doubt about that. It was also the catalyst to the increase in violence we see around the country to this day.

@connernickerson5509

2 жыл бұрын

Actually, I suspect that it was in the billions.

I know David’s dance routine well enough to expect this interview to go where it did. But when I heard him slither his way through a defense of Big Pharma it gave me chills.

@kaelanmatejin7992

2 жыл бұрын

It’s also funny how he is changing his principals to justify Big Pharma. Just a little hypocritical

@jbcarseiii

2 жыл бұрын

He sounds like he needs to register as a lobbyist.

Was he really pushing the "mostly peaceful protest" line? 🤣

@AustinPowerz-bn5ry

2 жыл бұрын

He thinks government can solve problems. He is a disease.

@SKELTER.

2 жыл бұрын

Ah, well now, the way it works is; the protests were mostly peaceful, then you completly disassociate the after-party riots from the protest element.

@gaulishrealist

2 жыл бұрын

It was mostly peaceful in the sense that it was peaceful for 4 hours and violent for 3 hours.

@chuckecheese5251

2 жыл бұрын

On jan 6th there were reports anywhere from 500k people to 1.5 million and only a few dozen who were violent that has no nuance at all and it cant while david needs it to justify violence against people who dont agree with him

This man is insanely delusional. Example "Identity politics isn't that big of a thing for most of the Left." I would agree with him that most of the really Woke crap is not believed by anyone but a relatively small handful but our current Vice President was picked strictly because of her immutable characteristics and intersectional points and not due to any qualifications or skills that really mattered. Also every time Chris pushed him on anything he really didn't want to talk about or didn't believe in his answer was " we really need to worry about that on the Right"....in other words "look, squirrel." Also love how when comparing anything that goes on on both sides, he says " there is no equivalency" and of course the Left version is harmless and reasonable and the Right version is unintelligent, insane, unreasonable, -phobic something, etc.

I've heard Parkman enough to know not to waste my time listening to him.

@richardmock3198

2 жыл бұрын

I managed 13 minutes, he’s living in a fantasy 🤪

@AustinPowerz-bn5ry

2 жыл бұрын

He is the worst.

@dougd1573

2 жыл бұрын

He’s fundamentally dishonest. His only arguments come from lies.

@JB-gv5ro

2 жыл бұрын

I had never heard this particular man speak so I was determined to hear him out. Was painful at times and seriously considered moving on several times but again, I was determined to try and give him a fair shake and be open minded. That is an hour of my life I will never get back.

@dougd1573

2 жыл бұрын

@@JB-gv5ro unfortunately I’ve watched many hours of David Pakman, and those hours I will never get back. He’s just fundamentally dishonest in nearly all of his positions.

this guy has compared jan 6 (one day) to months of riots where cities burned including my own. INTERESTING

Jesus, I can't get through 10 minutes of this. I need a cliche stronger than "living under a rock". It's like hearing a Russian talk about the situation in Russia based solely on what he heard on state-run propaganda networks. This guy would be the one sitting on a train getting sent to the Gulag while defending the system. "It's a mistake, they'll let me out when they realize my loyalty. Nobody's starving, there's an abundance of food. The Gulag isn't that bad anyways." I'd rather hear him try to defend the race-Marxism that is continuing to take over every institution that we rely on than to hear him simply deny that it ever "was" a thing. It's currently happening, right now, all around you. It's difficult to be this uninformed. It takes effort. Does he not ever look at corporate media and see what non-news they're pushing every day? Does he not see what hashtags Twitter artificially promotes while adding their commentary? This stuff is on the surface. There's a lot more underneath, but there's no excuse for missing the surface if you imagine yourself to be a "political commentator" of any sort. I'd rather hear an apologist than a know-nothing know-it-all.

@elektrotehnik94

2 жыл бұрын

It's OK if you don't want to listen to it. I am perplexed though about people downvoting this video in droves. What were you expecting & what didn't you get? Just because David Pakman has different (weird) views doesn't mean his voice isn't worth engaging with. And he brought some worthy insights about left-right dynamics. I feel the discussion was revealing & it didn't need to be a contested battle to be worth it. It is the first interview after all; you listen first.

@dances_with_incels

2 жыл бұрын

I gotta use that "know nothing know it all"

@dances_with_incels

2 жыл бұрын

@@elektrotehnik94 I don't really get the down voting either but my guess is just echo chamber bias or something to that effect. But it doesn't really help that David is trying to have this veneer of being equally critical of the left and right while at the same time being so dishonest or timid about the horrible behavior of the left and pushing leftist lies and propaganda with a straight face. It's like he's pissing in your face and telling you it's lemonade.

@ClearlyAbsurdComic

2 жыл бұрын

@@elektrotehnik94 I don't know about anybody else, but I didn't see the name before I started listening; I thought it would be someone knowledgeable talking about "the landscape of the left". Instead I got what appears to be some random guy who knows less than the average KZread commenter. I hadn't heard him before this and I don't know why he deserves any audience. Maybe he represents some popular view and therefore there is value in hearing him express it even if the view itself doesn't have any merit, but it seemed like a waste of my time. It's like hearing a religious fundamentalist quote their book at you, again and again.

@beingandreafabulously

2 жыл бұрын

You totally nailed it!

I'm not hearing the part where this guy has the pulse on both political isles. Usually, a person has at least one side correct, but this dude has both sides wrong. Both sides have contradictions and hypocrisy but he seems to be way off on the fundamental driving motivations of both parties.

@Akm72

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. He says upfront that he's not a socialist which, by itself, means that he can't really talk about what the left is talking about internally. At most he is left of center.

I purposely watch Mr Pac just to challenge myself. It’s like taking a cold shower on a cold day or holding my hand over a candle. The smugness is just an added bonus.

@HenryPaulThe3rd

2 жыл бұрын

His channel is so far from reality it always astounds me

@evanb8860

10 ай бұрын

Seems pretty humble to me.

Love your show Chris, but this guy is poison. No thumbs up or down today.

@kamrudkd

2 жыл бұрын

Could I ask why u say he is poison?

@expressionofwill5307

2 жыл бұрын

@@kamrudkd poison may be a bit harsh. But he's like a frog in a boiling pot convincing the other frogs that the water isn't boiling.

@kamrudkd

2 жыл бұрын

@@expressionofwill5307 ok.

Projection is a horrible thing.

I watched this video for 9 minutes before it became clear that this guy has no credibility whatsoever. He lives in A liberal bubble, and I'm open to liberal ideas (I live in Portland, OR!), but not at the expense of honesty. Sorry Chris. You're the best, king.

Parkman only talks across the aisle to throw shade at "Trumptards" as he calls them... That man is a very divisive and polarizing guy. I try to step out of my echo chamber and listen to what he has to say... All I really heard is anger and hatred..

@CurseCreep

2 жыл бұрын

I feel it's more snark than anger or hatred, but yes, he had poor sense of the principle of charity

@kayakMike1000

2 жыл бұрын

@@CurseCreep I thought about it a little bit... it's Pakman's audience that spews a lot of anger and hatred. Pakman might just be playing to his audience, I can't find him calling people "Trumptards" directly. Trump, love him or hate him, he is also a very divisive character, but only because the media paints him as a villain. I see Trump as some billionaire that said to all the other billionaires, "hey, these not so rich people need a fair deal". That's WHY he became the front runner of the populist movement. Trump was an effect of both the left and right not really doing their job.

David pakman talks on KZread and other video venues for a living. Can someone explain to me why his audio sounds like he has placed his microphone inside a box and then place himelf, and the box, inside his shower? Just sayin'

@tactileslut

2 жыл бұрын

Dude knows how to get his voice captured. Maybe he doesn't have the hang of making that work with Zoom or whatever facilitated this interview.

@jeromeburchedder3810

2 жыл бұрын

Hes not in his studio where he does his show

@miketroutt1371

2 жыл бұрын

His parents haven’t fixed up the acoustics of their basement.

@kelp4est

2 жыл бұрын

It always sounds like this when talking out of your ass.

@kelp4est

2 жыл бұрын

Nope...can't do it. This clown is insufferable.

Oh my goodness Chris, you did SO well with this guy! I'm sorry to sound so superficial but this guy is evasive, so self-satisfied. I genuinely laughed out loud when he started talking about Big Pharma and at the end where he was basically saying that his commentary would focus on what "the facts" are and what counts as fact, was vomit-inducing. Seriously mate, well done.

@ioanparry

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. There is no point for anyone to listen to Pakman any more. This was final confirmation, thanks to Chris for facilitating that!

@martinpaveymusic309

2 жыл бұрын

@@ioanparry It is funny how someone can leave a bad taste in your mouth. It is rare that I make comments like this about people but David is quiet the case! Chris did a fantastic job with this chap.

I used to watch Pakman a few years ago. I stopped because I couldn't take his denial of the left and what I started to realise was an unfair portrayal of the right. Not all false, just too much false. Interesting conversation all the same, keep up the great work Chris.

Like many in the comments, I'm not a Pakman fan. That being said, these conversations are necessary.

How much of our reality is just perspective? After listening to this interview I think it must be a lot.

I'm a Labour voter (here in the UK) and burst out laughing in the gym when he said the BLM protests were mostly peaceful. We all watched stores being looted and cars being set on fire on the BBC and Itv evening news. If that's not gaslighting an audience I don't know what is. I came here to see if I was the only one and most of the comments seem to agree with me.

@kieranflood9343

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, describing them as "mostly peaceful" is almost a direct quote from CNN, I think. It's amazing how far he had to bend backwards there to avoid telling the truth...

@Leveluplifestyleyt

2 жыл бұрын

@@kieranflood9343 agreed

Thank you for being balanced and asking an NPC a bunch of questions in your very pleasing style. I'd never make it past a few minutes with this guy. He is as ignorant, daft and basically ingenuine as I expected. This sums up all of what I need to know about Packman so I thanks you for having the talk. Packman is a perfect example of the reason I find most leftists unbearable to listen to. He seems convinced that his silo IS the right one and continues to be oblivious to how the silos exist. Sometimes "the facts only exist on one side" he says. . He sees there being a viability to controlling what is a "bad argument" without beginning to understand the impossibility of choosing a system that could conceivably be reasonable or unbiased for such a thing. People WILL and DO add their bias to everything. If you are not willing to acknowledge that you are in a silo or are oblivious to them (or worse pretending they don't exist) then what you have to say is utterly of no value to me and you are a Pakman NPC type.

@terencephilips1162

2 жыл бұрын

Care to give an actual example rather than the infantile NPC ad hominems?

The most intolerant (minority) sets the rules of the game. You see it happening all the time, a small group pressures a organisation or goverenment into adopting rules and laws that or not supported by the majority. Its dangerous to think because something is small you can basically ignore. Dictatorships are just small groups destroying a whole country.

@ottovcr

2 жыл бұрын

You’re on the right track

I'm trying not to dismiss this guy out of hand because I clicked on this video knowing that I wasn't going to like 99% of what he had to say. But the idea that you can compare a summer of rioting with January 6th is just about as intellectually dishonest as I can imagine. How many innocent bystanders or business owners were murdered on January 6th? How many police officers were even killed on January 6th the only person that died on January 6th was an unarmed protester.

There's a little bit of George Mcfly in Pakman's face :)

"Experience is shaped by identity" And apparently identity is shaped by university professors 🤔

Pure sophistry, this guy.

Is 'cancer' a landscape?

I think it's interesting how much the political landscape has changed in the last few years

I tried to listen, but I just can't 😑

Dave you look very partisan here. You should go back and watch this interview if you don’t see how.

Saw a bunch of the thumbs down, went into this with an open mind, love Chris - never heard of this other guy before. The snippet from 12:00-12:45 says everything you need to know about him, however. People's echo chambers are really fascinating things to observe.

@HenryPaulThe3rd

2 жыл бұрын

I knew I couldn’t listen to this whole interview so I skipped to the part you tagged. All I have to say is WOW

Respect to David for coming on. I used to follow him and can’t see me returning. He came across very blinkered and riddled with what aboutism. I don’t feel like he took the opportunity to sincerely consider the points raised, when he countered Chris he did so with vague assertions, danced around the point and seemed to think that rather than have a fruitful conversation he was there to ‘correct’ Chris and his listeners. And really, he had nothing interesting to say, no particular insights or ideas. Just a dull avatar really.

I thought I would try and listen but 15 minutes in and I'm done.

Literally everyone... EVERYONE I know who unironically makes anti Semitic jokes, who openly speaks about Jewish wealth and power conspiracies is rather far Leftist/Collectivist. It is never a topic of conversation among the conservative/libertarians that I personally know.

@tedlogan4867

2 жыл бұрын

@C K Nice straw man. I don't know those people and neither do you. Also, Let's Go Brandon.

@tedlogan4867

2 жыл бұрын

@C K Perhaps I need to use smaller words so you understand. Get out and talk to real actual people. Stop believing everything you hear 4th and 5th hand or from heavily "fortified" mega-corporations. Engage with real people you know, unless you're not interested in being involved and making a difference in this world.

@tedlogan4867

2 жыл бұрын

@C K Reality isn't 4chan. And those who adhere to or believe that stuff are a statistical anomaly. Seriously, talk to real people.

@crushinnihilism

2 жыл бұрын

@C K Ted is right. Youre either an out right liar, willfully ignorant, or dont talk to actual right wingers. Pointing to Charlottesville as an example of antisemitism in the right is such a poor argument. Your selecting for a specific group to just the whole. A few thousand individuals in a country with roughly 80 million right wing voters is such a miniscule amount. I could do this to the left by selecting any protest where the call black people uncle toms and house nwords.

@crushinnihilism

2 жыл бұрын

@C K ok...every white nationalist and racist i know is a leftist. Your identity politics require you to be a sexist or racist to even be on the left.

Dude how did you get Rachel Maddow on?

Topic: What is the landscape of the left. Guest: "I can only speak for myself" or "Fox news said..." as he continually acts like he's about to step on a minefield. This guy is such a joke

I listened for 11 minutes then I went and self harmed. Knowing this guy is walking round with a face that punchable and a worldview that bad really took me to a dark place

@bakarenibsheut12

2 жыл бұрын

I really hope that was a joke. if it wasn't, please take care of yourself and avoid content that makes you feel this way.

@MrBfg586

2 жыл бұрын

I thought I was the only who thought he had a punchable face.

This guy is so delusional

Well, that was a colossal waste of time. Props to you, Chris, for being able to indulge this conversation for as long as you did.

Good attempt at a genuine conversation Chris, but Pakman stinks.

My gawd - Pakman has completely lost the plot. Well done Chris to politely push this npc, and every time Pakman obfiscates and outright lies, I made it to around 15 mins and I'm out - Pakman is a waste of time.

@kayakMike1000

2 жыл бұрын

Lost the plot? I don't think he ever had the plot. He has a lot of word salad... He speaks like a squid shooting ink. I can't tell what he really thinks.

9:00 Straw man, David is ascribing libertarian principles to "the right". There may be some overlap in individuals, but it's far from the majority.

Total lie. You cannot opt out in Canada. Many people are losing their jobs and no one can fly, boat or take a train without a v passport. Also look at Australia...

This guy is an insufferable tool. Love your work Chris but I’ll sit this one out. Not all ideas are worth listening to and absolutely nothing this charlatan has to say is worth listening to.

R vs K phenotype in a thumbnail

@ottovcr

2 жыл бұрын

Physiognomy is real

You did a fantastic job interviewing him instead of interrogating him. Acts like that are what make us seem like the adults in the room.

Tough to listen to Chris, but I am trying.

I tried to give this interview a fair shake, and I got about 15 minutes into it. But he's obviously living his life through the lens of news media and twitter, and he's not grounded in reality.

@joshingm

2 жыл бұрын

I'm at the 14 minute mark deciding to read comments about this disingenuous turd.

I dont even need to watch. Ive seen this guy lie wayy too many times. He is on the TYT level of lies. Its good to have conversations with others, but they have to be honest atleast.

"Come over in a good faith way" Could you have gotten a bigger hack?!!!

Wow I'm not sure why I was excited for this. 15 minutes in and I want to gouge my eyes out

I think it was good to let Packman talk without interruption. It gave me a perspective from a different angle I didn’t consider. It also help me see packman’s blind spots & bias. For me sense making is about ironing out the blind spots & bias.

Pakman is either A: a troll B: a method actor playing a character C: the pinnacle example of someone who has exported all meaningful notions of “thinking” to whatever the establishment machine wants to install in the minds of people who can’t or won’t think.

This guy is delusional if he actually believes the words coming out of his mouth.

Well done Chris and David for this conversation. We don't have to agree to coexist but we do have to be civil. I find many of David Pakman's positions and arguments to be awry and skewed but he does try to be calm and rational and I think that's important.

Funny thing is everything for the most part packman is for achieving I do on a personal level. I think he is destroying what he wants to achieve by using government to achieve it. I am doing a great job achieving it while not stepping on others.

The power of projection..

Once you've dug a hole deep enough beneath you through chronic dishonesty, you don't get to b1tch that people familiar with your excavating by default see you as beneath their field of view. THAT is how I feel about Pakman.

"Good Faith" Uh huh...

"what percentage of the US is fully vaccinated?" "I think it's about 58%. It's really humiliating." well that depends. Does "fully vaccinated" mean two doses (in which case I think it's more that 58%) or does it mean two doses + booster?

I used to really like David. But he is way to blind to the shortcomings of the left of today.

@kjellbjrnasmo480

2 жыл бұрын

Oh… he hasn’t heard about the Black Lives Matter riots…. At all? He must really be insulated in his echo chamber. David Dorn died in a riot… there was footage of people getting beat up all and looting and fires all over twitter…

@ioanparry

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly 👍

@ioanparry

2 жыл бұрын

@@kjellbjrnasmo480 I think we - as in probably 99% of those who watched this interview - all baulked when he said he couldn't remember any BLM riots. He's either lying or has completely gone off the rails.

People still listen to pakman? O_o

@lizadonrex

2 жыл бұрын

Most of them are vaush beta.

@dsamh

2 жыл бұрын

@@lizadonrex That vaush guy is .... sus creepy.

I don’t have Twitter or TikTok and I don’t know if I know anyone who does. I am frustrated that it seems that what is said on Twitter has so much influence on society and politics when a large number, perhaps even a majority, don’t use it.

waiting for a young kid to enter in the background.......

David "there was no Bolivian coup" Packman

Stopped watching after seven minutes this Pakman is detacthed from reality.

Chapman is either willfully ignorant or actively deceptive. He is to be exposed, then avoided.

When you hear cognitive dissonance in the first sentence, brace yourself for double speak when the questions get hard.

If David wrote the video title: "Understanding The UNHINGED Landscape Of The Left."

Every large company has an office of diversity and equity. How can you make the claim that identity politics is fringe?

11:20 -- "All of the policies I support are reasonable and sensible." lmao

would somebody please teach david how to get a good microphone and echo control in his house if he's going to be doing podcasts....

Overwhelming fiery but mostly peaceful. What a pillock.

I have to give Chris credit for talking with people of all sorts. I couldn't do it, but light needs to be shined on snakes if you want to see them.

Although I am skeptical on what David Pakman deems as facts, since so much of what he states can be disputed, I really appreciate that Chris is willing and wants to have a discussion with a variety of individuals who he agrees with or disagrees with. I think his podcast would be extremely boring if he had a narrow scope of people on his podcast, and ultimately would become a one-sided diatribe, which is what I am trying to avoid with mainstream corporate news.

I admire Pakman, because for all things i disagree with him in, politically, he´s a good content creator, communicator and community builder - and in general quite brilliant in gaming the algorithm-driven media world. The topics he choose to facilitate these through, i have reservations against. That being said, i think he has a really big problem in not understanding the side he criticizes, and because he's a smart guy and well-educated/well-read, he rationalizes his lack of understanding by just calling right-wingers something between idiots or villains. You're either maliciously pushing for policies that harms people (IOW; doesn´r result in the outcome he prefers) or are moron for supporting it. You can hear this, when he actually has to make descriptions of "the right", as he always takes half a or a whole second to pick his adjectives, which is always the most horrendous and exaggerating ones he can pick. He speaks like i imagine he writes, but his voice reveals the meaning he actually put into words, and its annoying

It's always awkward when you're trying to converse with someone on an even ground but you know him to be factually incorrect in his assertions. Really, the only way forward is to correct him which effectively redraws the heirarchy or let it go. That's the impression I got from this interview. I think it's obvious who is who.

I pretty much zoned out when he pulled the whole riot thing. If he's not going to respect my time with an honest discussion, I'm not going to waste much of my attention on him.

David's entire world view is a cope against reality. He says there were no BLM riots and goes on to condemn the BLM riots lmao

@Dussellus

2 жыл бұрын

Which is fucking amazing, considering how many live streams of the riots, that was on twitch. Some streamers made big bank hosting them and getting donations.

Love your work Chris! I downvoted the video for many as the same reasons that other people stated. That said I am glad you have them on so we can hear how some of the “sensible???”leftist truly think.

I don't think that man said one truthful thing during this whole interview

I knew Pakman wasn't a reasonable person when he did a full video on Jordan Peterson knowingly being a cult-like figure for susceptible while LITERALLY using edits of people making t-shirts of Jordan Peterson to frame him in the most narcissistic light possible. Jordan has come out on endless occasions to encourage people to read from different intellectuals of different positions. He also admitted the danger of becoming too much of a messianic figure for many disenfranchised youth. It was then that I knew Pakman was nothing but another driver of the ever widening divide between liberal and conservative.

The interesting part about the state with the supposed lowest standard of living-Mississippi and Alabama- those are 2 of the states with the highest percentage of black people...

Tell downtown Portland that the riots were "overwhelmingly peaceful" David

A shame so many have downvoted this video. You don't deserve the downvotes, eventhough Pakman is 'ugh' at best. It's still important to let the opposition say, what they have to say - so you can call them out on what they say.

Good interview , but you should have challenged him a bit more in few instances ,on the other side I think the reason you didn't is because you wouldn't want a heated interview .

A Pakman is a Pakman - he is a classic left wing pundit, but Chris did shock me, which happened a couple of times before. He agreed and even "noticed himself" that conservatives do not come up with progressive ideas and try to stay conservative, No .... Sherlock!. Next time Chris, could you ask a follow up question, just one, e.g. what is the disaster in Florida, or any other statement

... and it's the mandates that are under the purview of the federal government is the issue ...