Hit 97mph on the freeway and got spun bearing noise halfway across the country. I never thought my 2013 brz would die before my 20yo truck would. Disappointed beyond words for this car. This video is exactly what I was looking for thank you

I'm in the US and my brother has one of these FA20 engines in his 2013 FRS. I've seen several videos where the silicone debris are protruding through the screen on the oil pickup and thought it was due to having the spring recall done. My brother hasn't had his done and won't due to some engines blowing up from mechanics that don't apply the correct amount of sealer to the covers. The amount silicone that is getting through the screen on your oil pickup is getting caught by the oil filter and shouldn't be enough to damage your engine. That said, it shouldn't be there though and the manufacturer should have addressed this item. Killer B makes a proper oil pickup for these engines and I advise you get one installed for oil volume.

Makes you wonder, why they dont convert over to a traditional pan gasket instead of rtv. That way you can easily drop the pan change the gasket if need be. Instead of scraping and cleaning it each time

@Aaron86Productions

3 жыл бұрын

They trying to save cost, and time

There needs to be a recall for this.... would explain the random stock car engines that are blowing up.

@Aaron86Productions

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah man, but the thing is Toyota probably....Doesnt know about this We had about 15 cars that went to get it checked, year models range 2012 to 2015 ones I think, and all have it. Some a lot and big fat pieces and some are small amount like mine. Crazy, and recently had a mechanic rebuilding a FA20 and the oil pick up was basically clogged, and oil starvation happened

@S30luis

Жыл бұрын

@@Aaron86Productions toyota knows. Its a lot cheaper to have the cars come in one by one showing problems than to have to do a recall on a large amount of vehicles.

Cool video bro.

This was cool. Gave me a good understanding how that works. I had to replace my vacuum pump and now I’m afraid silicone got in there maybe just my paranoia

@Aaron86Productions

3 жыл бұрын

Get it checked out bud. Rather be safe than sorry.

Be here after GR86 issue. Damn!

@Aaron86Productions

5 ай бұрын

It's still happening in new Gen!

Thanks for this video! Im curious if the FA24D have this issue as well

@wudahu1979

2 жыл бұрын

same

Thanks for the video. When you said, "For the past years I've been hearing FA20 engines are blowing up Left Right and Center~", were those engines from early years of gen 1 or later years (2019/2020) of gen 1 also had this issue? Have you heard of blown engines from 2020 year model? Thanks.

@Aaron86Productions

Жыл бұрын

Hi there! The group mostly drives 2012/2013 models, so they really bad, and kinda like testing the market, and we like a labrat. Gen 2 models also have similar issue, but the engine/motor design is much better design, and less weak compare to gen 1

Amazing these problems go this far back with rtv…this seems like a huge Subaru problem. A bunch of guys are having this issue with their 2022 gr86s. So Subaru engines from 2013 and beyond have this issue? Crazy. So the Brz, which had the same rtv issue as far back as 2013, doesn’t get a design change to fix this, they shove the same motor and oil pan design into the Toyota gr86, and surprise same oil pan oil pick up issue. Toyota and Subaru, how can you in good conscience know about this problem and let it happen.

@Aaron86Productions

Жыл бұрын

They know about the issue....even if its NOT the silicone, its oil starvation issue, as when people track this car HARD, they blow their engine, as oil starvation occurs, that is why Killer Bee designed a nice oil pick up for the 86

Hey Aaron, I did a DIY on tearing down this my motor. I technically went through 3 FA20 motors 2013/2014/2017 2013 motor is blown at 98605 miles due to spun rod bearings 2014 motor with 17k miles and put at least 70k miles was the best working engine I’ve had, until the valve spring recall... RSM Toyota assumed my motor was a 2013 car all-round, but it’s my fault that I didn’t say it’s a 2014 motor. Technically, the 2014 FA didn’t need valve springs replaced, little did I know I just thought getting new valves spring replaced, I’d be fine. I was dead wrong and turns out that my 2014 motor started knocking after 13k-15k miles... Toyota wanted to bend me over backwards for 8k plus tax for a rebuild. 2017 motor was from a guy the buys a whole BRZ/FRS from an auction and sell for parts... His name is Rodrigo and he’s on the forums somewhere, it’s a hit or miss and I was disappointed wanted this motor specifically because of the Aluminum Manifold... then again, this is where I found excessive amounts of metal shavings. This is where I knew I open a can of worms... I decided to pull out my motor and did a lot of inspecting. Your video shows the same exact issue that I came across after a long time of figuring it out where the problem is coming from... But now I just bought a long block from GCH longblock racing and I’m fully aware that this “4th motor” is under race applications. My main goal is to go supercharger or turbo on ONLY low boost for the longevity of the rebuilt motor.

@Aaron86Productions

3 жыл бұрын

Good God, sorry that you had to go through with all that crap. When I first heard the bulletin about the damn valvespring recall, I thought, I'm glad that I don't have to do it.....but I also had the same thought as you, well...it wouldn't be a bad idea hey? Since its a new valvespring so technically it should make my current motor stronger? I went to toyota plenty of times to see if they can do it on mine, even though they said there is no need for a recall for 2014 models, and a few months later I heard people are getting bearing knocks, and blocked oil pick ups etc....so I was glad I didn't go ahead or find a way to get the recall done. I'm still on my first motor *TOUCH WOOD* FINGERSCROSSED* that it will still be fine. I have cleaned my pickup like in the video, and I still need to clean it again, I'm 7000km in since the clean up. changed to Liqui Moly 5w40 oil and I used ceretec for that extra protection, I beat on the car once a while to make sure there aren't carbon build ups. In South Africa, we don't have E85 pumps, so we all need to buy E98/E100 Ethanol in 25L drums, and mix it with our crappy 95Ron Unleaded fuel. So for me I'm on OFT stage 1 tune, with about E15 - E20 of ethanol mixture! Car runs beautifully, fuel trims are great, no pulling of timing, IAM stays happy....so this is all I can do at the moment. I have a turbo kit sitting in the storeroom, so I might fit it and like you, run ONLY LOW LOW boost for reliability and longevity of this stock motor. My partner and I are busy developing a custom oil pick up for the car, very similar to KillerB design, and I have done quite a bit of research, and upgrading to a good oil pick up will solve majority of the oil starvation issues of this motor hey, i suggest you look into it.

Hi bud hopefully no more silicone in your motor and i see you guys used the correct silicone well done. It’s scary when you have a Makanic do work on your car and also uses to much silicone and the incorrect 1 as well. This cost me a Ej207 motor rebuild . Subaru and the 86 cars pls find reliable guys to work on your cars pls.

@Aaron86Productions

5 ай бұрын

Yup! Even the newest Subaru motor and new Gen 86 has this issue still!

With my 2013 GT86 I still have those "crickets" engine sound from time to time when I start my car, as well as the burning smell when over 5000 rpm and the squeaky clutch (when pressed in). Many forums offer different explanations and solutions, has anyone managed to resolve theres if you have these issues?

@Aaron86Productions

3 жыл бұрын

Hi, the cricket is normal, it comes from the high pressure fuel pump. And the cricket either becomes loud or soft will be dependant on the fuel and it's additives that's inside Its not a major problem, just irritating. (I still have that noise, but found one garage that helps removing the noise) As for the burning smell, it's normal, sometimes it's a mix of clutch, and exhaust and the heat in the engine bay causing it to smell. After a long while of driving eventually it will be gone. You will just need to sometimes push the car hard, as the header does get hot and surrounding materials will let off smell also, eventually will be gone. (Initially I have the same smell, but after driving the car hard most of the time it's gone) The squeaking of the clutch pedal is by the clutch master cylinder, where there is a rubber cover. Just need to lube that area up. Let some one press the clutch and you listen and check by engine bay, you'll know what I'm talking about. (Still have that noise for years now, as I have an exhaust so coildnt hear it when driving, but will probably do a video about it)

Hello dude, thank you a lot for your video. I have recently bought a GT86 concerned by this shitty recall, do you advice me to do it or not? A lot of people still complain about engine issues after the recall... Thanks

@Aaron86Productions

3 жыл бұрын

To be honest, if you don't have an issue I wouldn't do it. BUUUT there are guys that did it and it was awesome. And car still running like nothing happened. Unless you can do it, and make sure Toyota will take any responsibility if something happen

Sometimes its because of engine flush cleaner, it will scrape the left over silicone that is inside the engine. That is 1 of the disadvantage engine flush n sometimes will cause leakage on the engine. Advantage clean engine.

@Aaron86Productions

2 жыл бұрын

New engines shouldn't have much issue. And yes there is a chance of what you said. But most of the 86 cars that went to get a pick up clean never used any engine cleaners, some never even mod the car, that had it as it and boom, some have a lot of silicone and some have a few. And some......Blown engine

@Mwhbmnabjms

2 жыл бұрын

@@Aaron86Productions ive read few cases, after recall spring valve . Their piston all f*ck up bearing spun damage badly.. High chance its because of the valve spring recall job. Then they blame customer for driving wreklessly n did a tune job then retune when came back to service centre. They quoted 8k for used less mile engine but the customer is not satisfied because he never drive like a madman n send to private workshop instead .. Also found there was a lotttt of silicone blocking the oil pickup. Luckily the custome have the front view camera and have record of it after the valve spring job n get his refund for new engine block.It was very messup job lawyer involved etc. And it was less than 500km or miles after the valve job. They should choose other diffrent type of silicone like the honda or the grey type silicone that dry fast ,high temp etc ..because the silicone cases is not once even yourself luckly u found out early what if it goes to piston side wall or block the small hole for bearing lubrication

Hi there who did the work for you? I need gaskets for my header.

@Aaron86Productions

4 жыл бұрын

Oh man, sorry, missed your comment. This work any knowledgeable Machanic can do it. I have friends that did it themselves. DIY is also simple, if you have basic knowledge and most importantly tools for it. As I don't have the space nor tools, so I rather let a mechanic do it for me.

@Aaron86Productions

4 жыл бұрын

Oh, and to answer your gasket question, visit Subaru, they sell the gaskets, cheaper than Toyota. Well.....From my area that is

So much cringe with the way that technician decided to take the oil pan off. I would not do it that way at all. You can see the damage done to your short block. Any dents, dings, will be covered with the RTV from the oil pan, but to then pry it off with the screw driver? no way bro. I had to look away. Honestly, that much RTV is not surprising. It's from assembly and it looks like the oil pick up did its job. If you are blown away by the RTV there, wait until you fix your timing cover leak and see how much is used. And its not out of line to use that much too, its in the Tech Manual. Also, you are going to get some RTV in the oil pan anyway if your technician put too much, and then put oil in too fast before it cures properly.

@Aaron86Productions

4 жыл бұрын

Hi There! Yeah the way they did it does look scary and very cringe worthy, but I made sure there wasn't any damages to the block, they later made sure the surface wasn't dented or scratch and they did sand it down properly to make sure the silicone will stick and cure properly. They in fact did over 20 86s already, and all haven't had issues, and some even went back for the 2nd time to get it checked, and one or two found another Black silicone inside the oil pick up, and not the grey ones these guys used for the oil pan. Apparently they used those racing performance silicones for it, do they dry and cure very quickly

Toyota MDT chiming in... we do know about the silicone issue, and the tapping noise is probably from the valve lash misadjusted. Won’t cause codes or damage anything, but will be annoying.

@Aaron86Productions

4 жыл бұрын

Hi, thanks for your comment, what I wanted to know in regards to the tapping noise. I never had that noise before only recent months. This Valve Lash misadjusted can it be fixed via ecu or must one open up the engine? Note, I don't have any recall for valvesprings therefore my engine wasn't touched at all. As for the silicone issue, what did you guys do about it? Offer free clean?

@hungryfyime

4 жыл бұрын

Aaron86 Productions does the sound only happen during cold start or all the time? Valve lash is only set with the motor out of the car. I’ve seen also on automatics that the vacuum pump behind the passenger side intake cam making noise. As far as warranty for the silicone, we can’t really help clean it unless the customer approves it as preventative maintenance like what you did.

@Aaron86Productions

4 жыл бұрын

Hi, I started having this tapping noise during cold start and when driving, it was extremely irritating and most noticeable around 2000 to 3000rpm, especially when you free rev in neutral. I did a lot to try and see if it's the oil, but after I removed the silicone as a preventative maintenance, the sound died down a lot. And not very noticeable now compared to few months before. Therefore I wasn't sure what is the cause, the car is stock, nothing has been done to it since new.

@hungryfyime

4 жыл бұрын

Aaron86 Productions is the sound coming from the middle or the ends of the block?

@Aaron86Productions

4 жыл бұрын

Before the silicone removal, I tried checking the sound. As we are right hand drive, the sound was mostly from left side where the high pressure fuel pump is. It's somehow more audible when you inside the car than hearing it from the engine bay. At one time you can hear it more via the wheel arch area. After the silicone the noise is less and sometimes you can't even hear it But it's definitely still present when you cold start....

Same problem with 2022 models, they still haven't fixed it

@Aaron86Productions

Жыл бұрын

Hey bud, don't think they can or would. Reason being a faster production and cost effect process of using a sealant to seal the gaps than using a gasket. In the long run they save more cost, reduce the parts needed and reduces time to produce with trial and error in mind. But the amount of silicones will now also depends on cars now. Sadly, those that bought it, will need to clean and check their pickup.

@randomdude6190

Жыл бұрын

@@Aaron86Productions that may be true, but now they may be facing a lawsuit over the flaw in the manufacturing process. With the cost of providing warranty repairs on the engine failures due to oil starvation, they are not saving much in the long run. How come other car manufacturers don't have this specific issue 🤔 ?

MAYBE SOME RTV USED WITH GASKET TO SEAL

@Aaron86Productions

2 жыл бұрын

Don't think that's the issue, hey. We have cars that's very new and still have bloody silicone.

You got to realize Subaru engines sound much different than normal engines… they are known to sound like tractors

3 D print a gasket, don't use silly putty, 😜

@Aaron86Productions

Жыл бұрын

Once the silicone is removed, there shouldn't be more and now just need to maintain it properly. Also, new FA24 is having the same issue!!!

Pretty sure I’ll steer away from 86 and BRZ now.

@Aaron86Productions

Жыл бұрын

Its not that bad! I have been driving it for a long time, as everyday driver, just need to do the clean, and change oil often. Make sure coolant, oil is always good etc

For anyone watching this - NO dealership will risk paying for an engine by using RTV in place of a proper gasket. Unless you bought this car with zero miles - I really think this has a replacement motor in it.

@Aaron86Productions

Жыл бұрын

Hey bud.....it's a brand new car, my own car, bought it brand new, watched it arrive from truck. . Yeah sure new replacement engine

@Whitehorze

Жыл бұрын

@@Aaron86Productions I don't doubt your word. But I've done industrial assembly on engines. No way that RTV came from the factory. They would have used a rubber or fiber gasket.

@Aaron86Productions

Жыл бұрын

@@Whitehorze yes, other brand engines. Please check it yourself next time, if you ever have the chance with these FA engines. And it in life's the new FA24 family. The new 86 has the same issue with silicones in pickups.

Looked like coolant in your oil

@Aaron86Productions

2 жыл бұрын

Hi you talking about the creaminess of the oil?

Why not just buy a new tube

@Aaron86Productions

5 ай бұрын

It can be cleaned, why buy new bud?

@anthonyr5869

5 ай бұрын

@@Aaron86Productions it’s hard to fully clean on the inside

@Aaron86Productions

5 ай бұрын

@@anthonyr5869 it's not hey. Because a few guys went back a second time after manyi this, and it's clean, no more of that disgusting silicone