First owners. Fools, money, parted🙃

@Brian-om2hh

4 күн бұрын

They are ex lease cars. The leasing companies know the business they're in, and they tend to move 2 or 3 year old cars on, so they can refresh their stock.

@jimmymorgan3324

4 күн бұрын

Baz. I Own an EV. Have off. Street parking. &. Three phase , So it cost me £ o 7 pence a Khw .to. Charge over night giving me 170 miles. For £ 3.20 , you. Do the. Maths. @ £ 7.00. A. Gallon for. Ice cars , who’s the fool mug

These auctions these days are not really real auctions, they throw bids against the wall. I tried one a year ago. No bargains to be had after you calculate in overheads etc...

Blimey who ever bought these new lost a load of money

@barriewilliams4526

5 күн бұрын

Yes, people with pots of money and few brain cells🙃

@rickyjulian496

4 күн бұрын

They were probably all on lease.

@Brian-om2hh

4 күн бұрын

Nobody *bought* them. They are ex *lease* cars. The leasing companies won't pay anything like the list price when they take 1000 cars at once. And once the leases end, they send them to auctions.

@leegould5306

4 күн бұрын

Fleet cars, real people don’t buy them..

After watch JP for around a year, and looking at 100s of youtube vids, today i took the plunge and bought myself a 71 plate KIA Niro 3. With 15k on the clock. Would have liked the 4+ but the sunroof made headroom bad for me... thanx PJ

@JonathanPorterfield

2 күн бұрын

Thanks great to hear chris , glad my videos have helped

Thanks for the heads-up on the charge ports! A mine field I didn't know about.

@JonathanPorterfield

5 күн бұрын

Thanks Tim 👍 most ICE car dealers have no idea either !

If evs are so good why are people getting rid of them 😂😂

@JonathanPorterfield

4 күн бұрын

End of lease deals

I overheard the service adviser explaining the £250 service charge to a couple in their 80s - in front of me in the queue to pay. For a new-ish MG EV. A car with no radiator, no exhaust, no oil/air filters etc. You could tell the shame in his voice. The EV dream is based on lies, deceit and frankly outright fraud. My petrol Subaru - I service this myself for under £100.

@JonathanPorterfield

2 күн бұрын

Go to a HEVRA garage and pay a fraction for a 'health check' of any ev . Main dealers will always 'milk customers' as much as they can. The only exception is Tesla who do not have a service schedule for their EVs. Personally i see every MOT on my evs as the service , once a year ! I never use main dealers , and before you say it , no warranty is voided by not using a main dealer. Look up 'block exemption' on google re car services and manufacturers warranty.

@robertsmuggles6871

2 күн бұрын

@@JonathanPorterfield thanks - HEVRA is part of the solution to this. Just felt sorry for the elderly couple being fleeced in front of my eyes. Not good for the industry.

@JonathanPorterfield

2 күн бұрын

@@robertsmuggles6871 i agree 👍 💯

Why are people selling there ev's don't they last for years and years and cost nothing to run no maintenance don't have to even look after them and they will be better than a lce car

@JonathanPorterfield

5 күн бұрын

These are ex lease cars , drivers will be in new leased cars or opted to buy 🤔

@huwsparky175303

4 күн бұрын

They don't own them in the first place...

@robinhood4640

2 күн бұрын

Why do people sell second hand ICE cars, after only a couple of years, if they are so amazingly brilliantly wonderful, and the best things in the entire universe? Is my question more pathetic, than yours, or they are pretty much in the same stupid ballpark? I reckon we are both being jerks and they are the same level of pathetic.

@gregchapman6056

2 күн бұрын

@robinhood4640 I don't know I can fix a ice car myself down to slipper it down to the ground and put it back again so I can keep it going for ever

@robinhood4640

2 күн бұрын

@@gregchapman6056 I know how to feed some hay to a horse and shovel shit, but it didn't stop me from buying a car. I drive a 1998 Citroen ZX, which is the limit in the technology for me to strip down entirely and rebuild. Mark 2 escorts, Fiat 132s and Austin minis and allegros were the cars i learned on. There are a hell of a lot of people who only keep cars a few years, irrespective of make, model or fuel type. I think once we get to understand the differences better, and iron out the creases, we will realise that EVs are generally better than ICE.

Absolute bargains. However, nobody considers repair costs. Just like mobile phones, you might have a bargain until it needs fixing.

@rickyjulian496

4 күн бұрын

On the whole there's a lot less to go wrong on these. You can rag the socks off em and it wont do any damage unlike blowing the head gasket on a petrol or diesel. No turbo to go wrong, clutch to burn out, engine to run dry of oil or timing belt to snap (highly unlikely with such an age car with the belt but you never know) Plus these will all have warranties on their batteries because of their age.

@Brian-om2hh

4 күн бұрын

A typical EV has around 25 to 30 moving parts, so repair/replacement costs are usually minimal. A typical ICE car has thousands of moving parts...with timing and fan belts, gaskets etc which need replacement. A Tesla has *no* fixed servicing requirements......

@journeyintococo6996

4 күн бұрын

...or insurance costs...or if they can charge at home...or their ludicrous depreciation...or their poor reliability...

@davethevicar88

4 күн бұрын

Poor reliability I'm on 160k gets serviced every 2 yrs and it's 10 yrs old only thing I've replaced is tyres brakes pads wheel bearing 😉​@@journeyintococo6996

@andrewwaller5913

4 күн бұрын

​@@rickyjulian496Just limit your travel to 50 miles away. 2 pints of semi skimmed while you're at it.

That helped fill in a wet and windy afternoon! Thank you for an enjoyable video.

@JonathanPorterfield

Күн бұрын

Thanks Brian, its been wall to wall sunshine today in Orkney ' just sayin' 🤣😎👍

Great insight into current EV market thankyou

@JonathanPorterfield

4 күн бұрын

Thanks Richard 👍

I had one of those Vauxhall eCombi carriers from my dealership when my Ioniq was in for air con warranty work. Can I say it’s the most uneconomical EV I know! 50kw battery but motorway Dunfermline to Kinross, Kinross to Perth and return then back to Dunfermline and drained the battery from full to 20%. My 38kw Ioniq would likely be on 70% (around 120 miles left). I know there’s a huge drag coefficient difference but ong, Vauxhall could do better!

Interesting insight to EV life..thanks. 👍🏻

@JonathanPorterfield

4 күн бұрын

Thanks for watching and your comments 🙂

From what I have seen, these prices are hardly the cheapest. For old tech, slow charging, they are what you might expect. All of these older tech EVs are brilliant as cheap runabout / second cars. Buying an EV at £6k and saving £1,500/yr in petrol makes good financial sense.

Always learn something from you JP. Thank you. 🙏🏻

What this highlights is that when my Id4 PCP deal comes to an end, and my car is worth a lot less than the final payment, I cant afford to replace it with another EV. Maybe a hybrid will hold its value better. Thinking I was doing the right thing has cost me a fortune!

@JonathanPorterfield

Күн бұрын

If you like your ID4 , return it and eco cars can see if it pops up at auction , and we can buy at trade value for you 😉

Thanks for bring this to our screens Jonathan.

@JonathanPorterfield

5 күн бұрын

Thanks Rob 👍

Brilliant - very educational thank you Jonathan 👍 getting closer for me to be able to afford one of these. 💴💵💶

@VeryOldSaint

4 күн бұрын

Can you afford Insurance though?

@robbie2447

4 күн бұрын

Buying an EV will be the biggest mistake you will ever make ..

CHAdeMo chargers are starting to get hard to find, although a few new ones are still being installed; however for under £1,000, you can now get a CHAdeMo to CCS2 adapter, and the prices ARE dropping, expect it to be £500 ish by next year.

@wonderingworld119

5 күн бұрын

Chademo are easy to find in UK. They are everywhere. In fact I am trying to think of a charger location, except tesla, that hasn't got them. But outside of the UK the story is different. It would be pointless to but one of those in the UK at the moment even at £500.

@ianemery2925

5 күн бұрын

@@wonderingworld119 There are lots, but many are single charger locations; very few with more than 2; and there are big gaps between locations with 2 or more; especially if you are in an older car with sub 100 mile range. The Cotswolds only has 2 multi-charger locations right now; one at the northern end of the A417; and one off the A40 at Brize Norton - both the rare NEW installs. There are no multi-charger locations at the M25 Motorway services after Brize Norton, all the way to Gatwick, and only a single charger between just south of Manchester and Birmingham, heading south (loads going north). I have had a lot of issues with single charger locations; from being stuck for over an hour while an old Leaf charged to 100%; to having the charger decide it only wanted to charge at 8 KW. I dont live in the Cotswolds, but if I want to get to London, it is the only viable safe route for a sub 100 mile EV with CHAdeMO; and I had HUGE issues when both the A417 AND A419 were closed entirely over Easter, and I needed to get to Gatwick.

@decimal1815

4 күн бұрын

I wouldn't use a DC charging adaptor that has come direct from China. Not sure if these will be legal without full UK lab tests. Potentially dangerous.

@ianemery2925

4 күн бұрын

@@decimal1815 A couple of large UK EV specialists; who deal in chargers, cables etc; are selling these; I have also watched videos where the adapters are taken apart and the components/build examined, as a trained industrial electrician, it looks OK to me. China can and does produce some good quality products; it is just they have no regulations against crap products. Most of the Teslas, and iPhones being sold in Europe, were made in China.

@salibaba

4 күн бұрын

Most points barring Ionity and Tesla have them and they’re still going in new. It is normal though that if there is a set of 6 units only 2 will have a 2nd cable for Chademo. Just more cars using CCS and given they have the “so debilitating range and battery life” it’s unusual to find more than 2 leafs out and about charging at the same station at the same time.

Hardly anything made estimate. More and more people are now learning that EV's arent the answer. The trade is also wary in the second hand market as repairs are costly....

3600 plus vat for env200 great. Wish i had organised you to bid on that fir me. Thanks for sharing , looks like leafs are yesterdays elecric car, my leaf 30 is down to 20kwh capacity at 125000 miles . Has been good but time for upgrade if i ever get time. That env would been perfect

@lookoutleo

4 күн бұрын

Can you find me one?

Thanks Jonathan for this. Really interesting watch

@JonathanPorterfield

4 күн бұрын

Thanks Paul 👍

EVs only make sense as a second motor for local trips

@Brian-om2hh

4 күн бұрын

Ah right. I shouldn't have done the 400 mile round trip I did last year in mine, in a day then?

@C-L66

4 күн бұрын

I thought that until I owned one, I’m absolutely blown away with my e-Niro just been on holiday in mine the longest journey I’ve done so far of 180 miles each way and another 300 while I was there. Charged for free at the cottage and the efficiency was amazing at 4.8 mile/Kw and never needed to use a fast charger as yet, so our diesel is now our second car, but will be using that for our Alps holiday.

@visiblekoment

4 күн бұрын

@@Brian-om2hh 👏 if you OK having to take stops and waste time, that's fine. I enjoy driving across the UK and doing 400 miles each way without having to consider forced stops, slow charges, queues and extortionate prices. EV for the city would be great for me, but can't justify the running cost of another car, and judging by these auctions, depreciation is probably higher - double whammy!

@visiblekoment

4 күн бұрын

@@C-L66 that makes absolute sense - using an EV for small 180 mile trips and planning to have a charger at your destination.

@padgepadgham3238

4 күн бұрын

@@Brian-om2hh I think I passed you in my old peddle car, if you were the one waiting an hour to get charged up?

surely if your see a beaten up 24 plate Toyota EV (or any other EV) with only 4K miles you would wonder if the battery pack has also been beaten up. I would not touch it.

@JonathanPorterfield

4 күн бұрын

The BMS ( battery management system ) will look after the battery fine.

Top video thanks

@JonathanPorterfield

4 күн бұрын

@@MrToddy31 Thanks for watching and your comments 👍

Just discovered these auction videos, excellent! Thanks Jonathan! Any Model 3 Performances ever?

@JonathanPorterfield

4 күн бұрын

@rajanpatel65 yes , good stock of M3P at auction

@jamesm0rell

4 күн бұрын

There are a load going through Aston Barclay in Westbury next week. One went on Tuesday for 24,500.

Jonathan always interesting to see price of EV market at Auction I think Nov December good time to buy as not to much money about keep up the good vids of the ev market and online Auction Thankyou

@JonathanPorterfield

4 күн бұрын

Thanks Pat , yes now/dec always a good time to buy at auction too. Thanks for your comments and watching, best regards Jp 😀

Not forgetting preregistered Leafs were no mileage... we're at £12,800 from a Nissan dealership. OK they are sold now.... but these kind of deals will come around again, just keep looking for them.

Wasn’t it the early 24kw Visias that had no Chademo port, and not the 40?

Since I think this is a post auction edit [did you do a live show this month?] what would be nice to hear from you is an end of auction reflection on the state of the market and any notable sales in the session. Or put it at the front of the video even, as a 'what to look out for'. {Pity about the clueless Neanderthals in the comments!]

@JonathanPorterfield

2 күн бұрын

Thanks pete , i will do an overview on the next video

@peteglass3496

2 күн бұрын

@@JonathanPorterfield gosh, did I have a good idea?? 🤣

@JonathanPorterfield

2 күн бұрын

@@peteglass3496 you certainly did 👍👏👏😎

Anyone with a battery lease Zoe. The lease can easily be brought out. Apparently for very little money.

@Festoolification

3 күн бұрын

Surely rapidly becoming a liability for the manufacturer as batteries near replacement, negotiate hard.

Great video thank you. Are E Niros often sold at this auction?

@JonathanPorterfield

2 күн бұрын

Yes , good supply

If you want a car for local driving only.

@Brian-om2hh

4 күн бұрын

And, with the average daily UK commute being 20.8 miles, that's most people.....

@journeyintococo6996

4 күн бұрын

@@Brian-om2hh - Most people don't have a drive, so charging at home is out of the question for them. Over 50% of first-time EV buyers wouldn't buy another one. By big motor companies are ditching their pursuit into EV's. Look it up.

Holy moly!! Don't they depreciate!

New to your channel, fantastic content btw. I'm in the market for a 2021 Tesla M3, do many come on auctions?

@JonathanPorterfield

3 күн бұрын

1st , thanks for watching, and yes LOTS of M3 choice at trade auctions , all mostly ex lease 😀 contract the office on 01856 480008 or e mail info@reflexorkney.co.uk

Do you think can get a 2022 Model 3 RWD with HW3 Ryzen MCU and matrix headlight for under £20k in auctions?

As Connery said " shocking!".

If you buy a EV and drive it home How then do you charge it up I genuinely dont know Do you just plug it in to a 3 pin socket

@Brian-om2hh

4 күн бұрын

Yes, most EV's have provision for charging via a normal domestic 3 pin socket....

@marineboy1964

4 күн бұрын

@@Brian-om2hh thank you , no one ever explains, you only get shown the cars charging point, what happens if you live in a block of flats or have no driveway, so suppose these EVs ain't made for 50% of the population

@journeyintococo6996

4 күн бұрын

@@Brian-om2hh - Which is okay if you have a drive. EV manufacturers advise against charging them in a garage, due to the fire risk.

@marineboy1964

4 күн бұрын

@@journeyintococo6996 I live on the 17th floor of a block of flats if put a few extension leads together it might reach the car

@NickyB62

4 күн бұрын

The very reason that prevents the likes of me even considering one. ​@marineboy1964

That ZOE NA15WAO sold for £3,050 from the figures I have collated had a battery lease buyout costing £2,000 so only £1,050 for the car

@JonathanPorterfield

4 күн бұрын

Renault sold that zoe , and they waved the lease buy out cost

Shopeham charge 10 percent fee to private buyers, wtf , LMAO

@JonathanPorterfield

2 күн бұрын

Buy through eco cars from shoreham and not pay 10% of hammer value ! The public fees are 10% of the final price , but a max of £750 so a £7500 bid will be £750, as £40k car will be £750 These are the cheapest vehicle auction houses around , BCA are easily double !

Bid for a battery

@Brian-om2hh

4 күн бұрын

Why would you bid for a battery? Personally i'd consider a battery pack refurbishment from somewhere such as Cleveleys Electric Vehicles in Gloucestershire. They are an independent EV specialist, who offer EV repairs and servicing. Cleveleys posted a KZread video around 3 years ago, of a battery pack refurb they carried out on a 10 year old UK owned Nissan Leaf. The work took 4 hours, and the cost was £500. The sheer amount of utter nonsense posted about EV batteries, by people who don't have a clue, is mind-blowing.....

When you say the purchaser has to apply to DVLA what exactly do you mean and why?

@JonathanPorterfield

3 күн бұрын

The seller has lost the v5 , pop to post office and apply for a new one with proof you've bought it , dvla do a few checks with last registered keeper, then you get a new v5 in your name , takes 3 to 4 weeks max and £25 dvla fee 😉

It's odd I see all sorts of EV's these days but not the zoe.

Who would buy a unsafe and trust EV from a auction not knowing it's history you got to be mad

@Lyndalewinder

3 күн бұрын

Is that English?

Bargains for EV enthusiasts for the next year or so as company leases come to an end . Companies won’t lease EVs in future without the tax break imo so you could get a lot of car for little money.

Hi can you go into detail about the Zoe battery lease auction please. Does it mean you don't need to pay the the lease anymore or you have to pay extra the cancel the lease ?

@JonathanPorterfield

4 күн бұрын

Only applies to the early zoe 22kWh , and some 40kWh zoe. All of the 50kWh zoe are battery OWNED.

@conradknightsocksknight1590

4 күн бұрын

@@JonathanPorterfield sorry I already know that. The question is car you now cancel the battery lease for FREE ?

@JonathanPorterfield

4 күн бұрын

@conradknightsocksknight1590 it looks that way if Renault own the zoe and they sell via auction , without the lease attached to older zoe Word is now, as i see it , Renault cant be bothered with paperwork , so 'may well' have no financial interest in the battery, but dont quote me on this ! 😊

MG why would you buy a Chinese car at big money?

@JonathanPorterfield

4 күн бұрын

Because like your PC / laptop / mobile in your possession, they are well made ! 👍

LEAF is great value now and still enough CHAdeMO chargers around to make it viable for a few more years. 😊

I wouldn't give you 11p for this EV junk, all your paying for is the battery, wake up people

Best avoid the ones with so called rapid charge as if this was used regularly it will have prematurely shortened the battery life.

@thelonewolf666

5 күн бұрын

not as short as the brain lifespan of anyone who buys a ev

@rickyjulian496

4 күн бұрын

You can generally check battery health if you're allowed access to the keys. I tend to think you can guesstimate if it's been rapid charged much by looking at mileage and age. A healthy car with 250 mile range will travel about 150 miles a day Monday to Friday keeping it within the 20-80% bracket. That would make a 1 year old car have 39,000 on the clock with just a home charger. Also if it has a type 2 to 2 cable that looks well used. Anything above that has probably had rapid charges. Let's not forget lfp batteries that don't mind so much being rapid charged and charged to 100%. They're on a lot of the 2022 and beyond models.

@Brian-om2hh

4 күн бұрын

Absolute nonsense.

@MARTINA-gc3tq

4 күн бұрын

@@Brian-om2hh Frequent use of faster rapid charging has been shown to increase the rate of battery degradation. A study testing two Nissan Leafs showed that exclusive DC rapid charging increased the rate of degradation by 16% when compared to AC fast charging.

@Mack-bc3sp

4 күн бұрын

​@@Brian-om2hhwait and see the price of a new battery 😂and if the car goes wrong can you fix it no you carnt it will cost you a fortune

This level of EV bashing is hilarious! I'm in my 10th year of driving EVs and will never go back to petrol or diesel. Really enjoying the content, Jonathon.

Isn’t the Leaf + a 62 kWh battery?

@Brian-om2hh

4 күн бұрын

Many of the earlier Leafs had much smaller capacity battery pack.... It's just the current model that has a 62kwh pack.

@JonathanPorterfield

2 күн бұрын

59 usable

It cracks me up when you were talking about kilowatt/hour Jesus what are doing with this Chinese driven rubbish

@JonathanPorterfield

2 күн бұрын

I dont understand your statement??

Wow cheap now hey

if evs were free or i was paid to have one--- i would still refuse

@JonathanPorterfield

5 күн бұрын

Each to their own 🤣

@enyaq_gorm

5 күн бұрын

Thanks for letting us know. Anything else you want to share? Foods you don't like or places you wouldn't visit? 🤷

@Brian-om2hh

4 күн бұрын

So you'd prefer to continue paying one of the World's highest rates of fuel duty when you fill up, using earnings you already paid tax on? That's fine, feel free.

Why buy a car that has a 10 year lifespan? How can that be environmentally friendly??

@Brian-om2hh

4 күн бұрын

There are plenty of 10+ year old EV's out there. Why might an EV suddenly no longer function after 10 years?

@leegould5306

4 күн бұрын

@@Brian-om2hh The battery will not last & cost of replacing it is prohibitive once it fails..

@bwarey52

3 күн бұрын

​@@leegould5306evidence please?.....the majority of first gen leafs and Zoe's are still on the road at 10 years plus. Your just quoting someone without the data to back it up

@datathunderstorm

3 күн бұрын

@@Brian-om2hh Exactly! The same nonsense was said about the battery in my 2008 Prius when I bought it 2nd hand in 2013. Guess what? It's 2024, the battery is 16 years old and it still works perfectly - it's tested by Toyota every year. And that's on a 16 year old hybrid car used daily with 156k on the clock. Modern EVs will be just fine.

@datathunderstorm

3 күн бұрын

@@leegould5306 Absolutely untrue. 21st Century science and technology disagrees with you 100%.

I would like to buy an EV so i can make youtube videos about all the problems i have with it and how there a money pit

@Brian-om2hh

4 күн бұрын

Which EV have you owned or heard about, which have had lots of problems? Are you speaking from actual experience, or just taking a guess? My Kia eNiro had one minor problem at 1300 miles from new - a faulty seat belt warning. It was sorted under warranty in less than 45 minutes. The car has now covered 34k miles, with no further faults. I still have over 4 years of the original warranty left to run. And what's this "money pit" nonsense? My last service cost me £68. You don't have a clue what you're talking about.

@DwaynePipes

4 күн бұрын

Rubbish, if course he knows what he's talking about! He's watched at least one MacMaster video which as everyone knows, qualifies him as an industry expert! 😂 ​@@Brian-om2hh

@user-ly9pf8dk1d

4 күн бұрын

@@Brian-om2hh A driving instructor i know got rid of his Tesla because of all the problems he had with it including range, tyre wear, massive depreciation, 12 volt battery going flat so he could not even get in the car, software issues etc etc, i suggest you do more research

@user-ly9pf8dk1d

4 күн бұрын

@@Brian-om2hh Perhaps you were one of the lucky ones

lots of milk floats for sale cant give them away lol

@brianiswrong

5 күн бұрын

You should be happy people are buying EV's , every ev on the road means 1 less car at your petrol station, and when less petrol/ diesel is bought the price goes down (remember covid when diesel and petrol dropped to 99p per litre) so all the ev drivers are helping ice drivers lower the cost of motoring. I own both an ice and ev and there is no question an ev charged at home is over 50% cheaper to run than a diesel, however I will keep a diesel (berlingo van) for ,well van stuff and emergency long drives if they pop up.

@Brian-om2hh

4 күн бұрын

Ah right. That'll be why - according to SMMT figures - sales of used EV's are around 60% up, over the same period last year.

@decimal1815

4 күн бұрын

I'm guessing you haven't driven an EV before. But that's fine. I like driving my milk floats, which were a great British invention by the way.. ❤

@Mack-bc3sp

4 күн бұрын

​@@brianiswrongwait till you need to buy a battery 😂

@andrewwaller5913

4 күн бұрын

​@@brianiswrong Depends on the global oil price. Nothing to do with the amount of cars 😂

In Australia, used EVs are selling at low prices. It is stupid as they last a lot longer than petrol cars and the fuel is so much cheaper.

@VeryOldSaint

4 күн бұрын

LOL How many 20 year old EV's are still in regular use?

@andrewwaller5913

4 күн бұрын

Can you plug it into Ayers Rock ?

Wouldn't touch an electric car with a barge pole. New batteries cost a fortune plus they need charging most of the time and dont go far enough and getting them fixed is a joke

@Brian-om2hh

4 күн бұрын

I have no idea what the battery in my EV costs, as it still has over 4 years of it's 8 year warranty to run. I charge my EV around every 8 to 10 days, and that does me around 230 miles. No jokes getting my EV fixed if it needed it, as both guys at my local garage are HEVRA certified to work on electric vehicles....

ev's scamm of the centuary

Is it really hard for the seller to get a battery SOH? Seems pretty essential to me.

Cancer boxes

@JonathanPorterfield

Күн бұрын

More chance of LUNG cancer from fossil fueled vehicles !

@TrumanShow-im2ve

Күн бұрын

You're really struggling there mind Sitting on a tonne of toxic batteries and smothered in Electric magnetic frequency radiation. No wonder the WEF cult in Davos ask for strictly no EVs and unvaxxed pilots. They know exactly what these devices are designed for.