Love that the 4 of you got together. Great insight.

@nascompares

Ай бұрын

Glad you liked it. I've missed doing these. Been giving the YT panel vids a miss die to being too busy this year. I'll get more slated in soon, as they are fun + good gmto get diverse opinions

@pingjockey775

Ай бұрын

@@nascompares I absolutely think that these videos are awesome. I think conversation was spot on and provided great feedback on the product.

@hhuey5

Ай бұрын

Sure I don't use much syn or Asus on the web or cloud , I keep every thing local and do all the updates Still thinking of getting 2x 6 bay But I want to do 24tb but heard bad thing on ironwolf pro maybe bad Vendor , I never used seagate in 25 yrs perhaps wait til wd red pro 24tb comes down in price from 570 to 460??

Sticking with my backing - believe the software is an easy fix over time - hardware can't be beat... Thanks Robbie and your colleagues for a useful discussion!

@limbeboy7

16 күн бұрын

I'm actually trying to see if I can build my own .exe program into the server environment. That's the game changer

This is just the video I’ve been waiting for. Thank you guys for coming together before the campaign closes. This is really helpful.

@nascompares

Ай бұрын

Thanks for watching man. Genuinely appreciate the positivity!

@thefoxhouse

18 күн бұрын

@@nascompares Just a follow up, I notice Ugreen’s product support status page says that product support and maintenance (to include security updates) end after the warranty period. Just in case you cover them in the future it might be worth noting to potential buyers

I absolutely love this. It’s why I’ve subscribed to your channel for years. You choosing honesty and your audience over a free $600 dollar NAS (sans an OS) is why we respect you so much.

@nascompares

Ай бұрын

Thanks man. I mean, I'm crap at taking compliments. So..umm.. *points finger guns* thanks kiddo! *runs off*

I ended up backing for a 4800 plus. I am happy with my choice even with the pros and cons. You all touched on something that is common these days, dropping half baked products mainly software. Hardware wise it's a great option for the kickstarter price. If ugreen never gets the OS right, like others have mentioned we can install our own OS which I am fine with. The hardware is polished, the specs are there thats what matters to me.

When I was looking into buying a Synology NAS, the first two channels I watched were: SpaceRex, and NASCompares. I started hearing about UGreen and their new NAS first from Robbie’s channel (which was the first time I watched a video from his channel) then started seeing the in-depth comparisons from this channel.

as always you do an amazing job on reviewing NAS products. Will have to upgrade a friends Synology infrastructure somewhere this month . SMB use case. Love your critical and correct reviews of hard - software.

OMG such a geeky get together!! I love NAS videos!

@TheFreestyleStorm

Ай бұрын

Same!

This video was very interesting to watch I love the insight

most of us techies will remove the stock OS and load Truenas or Promox on tbe Ugreen NAS. As long as it can run those well im sold .and will pick up a few units

@nascompares

Ай бұрын

Nice and sensible. Like!

Wahey, fun to see another channel I follow in this space (Lauri from Tech Notice). You’re a great host Robbie. 😁

@nascompares

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the kudos bud. Have a banging weekend

I backed it, the initial buy in is very appealing and hardware is amazing. They have posted their sw roadmap so we'll see how well they add and improve it. The most challenging part was getting the hw right and they pretty much nailed it. Great insight and feedback though I feel like most of this panel is missing the mark with the current state... it's in the backing stage and the point of MVP releases.. get feedback and iterate and improve. At least, hoping the other big players are taking notice and refreshing their products as there hasn't been much new recently. I think Frank's comments make a lot of sense and a thoughtful recap

Would be interesting if you guys publish a poll on what "backers" are going to do. 1) bail, 2) back and use UGOS, 3) back and install 3rd party? Adjunct questions for #3 - what 3rd party OS poll & it would be great if you publish a vid comparing/recommending 3rd party OS. I vote for #3 and am debating how I should set it up.

@nascompares

Ай бұрын

Was going to do that a couple of days before the crowdfunding ends. Tbh I really just want people to know what they are backing here. Good hardware, WiP software. It's alot of money and many people will be committing money to this system that they cannot easily re-spend on something else afterwards of it's not for them. I know you could say that about any solution, but crowdfunding means that they stakes are higher. Hope that makes sense man

@john_in_phoenix

Ай бұрын

I'm going to get the 6 bay and try TrueNAS and probably Proxmox. Maybe some others, but obviously the software doesn't live up to the hardware. I wish it had ECC.

This is incredible helpful for someone like me who are itching to get one

Good conversation

@00:13 Robbie said the F word !!! Cool ;-)

@nascompares

Ай бұрын

I debated for DAYS over bleeping that... But decided to keep it in, to set the tone. I.e "off the cuff, our opinions, candid, etc". I hope that came across.

@notkyloren

Ай бұрын

@@nascompares Don't bleep it. I love feeling like I'm in a Guy Ritchie movie when I'm watching my NAS reviews.

@ballsdeep9648

Ай бұрын

Fuckin A on point mate.

I would love more of these discussions! Wish it was a bit longer :(

Great discussion highlighting a major issue in the tech industry. Users paying for the “privilege” of beta testing new gear and then waiting 6-8 months to get the firmware or software to provide what the release unit should have had.

@nascompares

Ай бұрын

Sadly it's not just tech hardware... Games and software arrive half cooked at full price, TV shows are now sold before filming wraps, tickets for shows are sold before production...it really...*as both a consumer and a human*...SUCKS

@Dave102693

Ай бұрын

@@nascomparesand they shouldn’t be allowed

Hope you plan more panels. This is a very interesting perspective that pushes past manufacturer specs. Thank you.

@nascompares

Ай бұрын

More panels coming, but not on this

Love the discussion on this newcomer to the NAS space. Unfortunately, with backing only available at US & Germany, there is no option at all for me except not to back 😅

@DxbGamerAssembler

Ай бұрын

same here from UAE :(

Thank you soooooooooo much for this video. The feature I want is das connectivity like qnap has, especially for the flash version

@nascompares

Ай бұрын

They say this is on the roadmap..but it's a big 'maybe' if you ask me!

Robbie may have missed his calling as a comedian. When he introduced the lads I thought he was going to say: “So what I wanted to do is invite, I would argue, three prominent names in KZread who have covered this product,……..but they declined and this is who I ended up with”.

@nascompares

Ай бұрын

I mean, bugger..that IS a great line. But I would have felt like a bit of a dick afterwards (not sure I know the panel well enough to get away with that). Still 10/10 man

Thanks guys.. love the collab, powerhouse team. Two things that stand out to me. 1. USA and Germany only.. wtf? 2. Security - thank you for mentioning this. I love the idea here of the series, I can forgive the software being a wok in progress, but I stuggle with the security or seeming lack the of, and the limited geographical release

This instills a lot of confidence for me. I have a Synology NAS 2 bay and I am backing the UGREEN 6-Bay because I just want a RAID 1 configuration for content creation and really liked the price. My Synology is on the network, aiming for sharing of finished items (in a RAID 1) but the hardware is super slow and old on it so I don't want to use it for editing. This 6-Bay gives me an opportunity to have 3 creator hard drives (photo editing, video editing, master catalog) and have them with a simple mirrored backup for a nice automated backup that I can plug all into one port on my computer to do the job. I honestly don't even know if I need the network side of it but I haven't seen a cheaper version of what I'm ultimately looking for with this kind of hardware. I haven't tried 3rd party OS but based on your recommendations I will do the research and attempt to put one on this system. Thanks!

My favorite KZreadrs! 👍

"Thanks for the splendid video! Regarding the custom Kernel (as highlighted by Logan), does using Tailscale for remote access to the Ugreen NAS, even with the custom Kernel, make it more secure and reduce/eliminate security concerns?"

Looks like cool hardware, but knowing that you have a strong software solution to actually take care of your valuable data sounds more important to me. I wish Ugreen all the best though, really great to see something new that creates excitement in the arena.

If UGreen NAS will be your first NAS, it will be scary to trust your data with it since the software isn't time proven yet. I still backed their Kickstarter campaign though mostly due to how good the hardware is AND because we can install 3rd party OS on it. That said, I'll be using this as an extra backup NAS and media server to play with. Also in regards to security, I'm not too worried only because I already planned to place this behind my hardware firewall and only allow access to it via VPN if accessing remotely. So yea, if UGreen is your first NAS, I feel it is risky but if you know exactly how to set this up securely on your network, it will be an awesome addition as a data storage device plus much more with docker! 😎

One of the requirements for the review from Ugreen was to test the remote/cloud based service, which I just outright refused to (as mentioned in my video), as there’s no way I’m trusting that potential backdoor into my network for even a minute. As for SMB, I had to authenticate on macOS Once, and then never again. Which almost seems Too easy. On Asustor I have to authenticate every day, and even more if I switch between WiFi and hard wired. Finally recently mine overheated. Though only briefly, I got a temp warning and everything slowed to essentially a stop and then came back again. Looks like I’m going to have to do the thermal paste fix on it after all. Ugh.

I’m new to this and am backing this product. What 3rd party OS would be best to install?

I am leaving my money in, the hardware specs are great.

@NASCompares Would still love a 6 bay breakdown.

Would you be able to connect an external GPU to the Thunderbolt 4 port?

I love when all you guys collaborate for a well balanced review for us guys - Thanx (BTW - see if you can invite Space Rex) G'day Mates! 👍👍👍👍👍

7 days left... they'll have to pry my new NAS off my dead hands.

@nascompares

Ай бұрын

you sir, dialed it up to 11...and I respect that

I purchased a used desktop, intel i7 4770, 16GB ram, 256GB sata SSD, etc. for $160. Over black friday I got two 4TB drives. I installed Openmediavault and set up a mirrored zfs vdev. Spinning up docker was fairly easy, and my containers are infinitely useful. I love setting up my NAS that's way more powerful than a synology. Plus i can put up to 8 drives in my mid tower case.. But I understand people that want something like synology, because that's most people. I'm an engineer, my desktop is Linux, I'm comfortable with the terminal. I can spend 5 hours setting up a nas and feel good about it (with plenty of youtube videos teaching me), but I 100% get someone that wants it done for them. BTW, the hardest part for me was setting up a wireguard vpn. I know extremely little about networks and security so I didnt want to mess it up and I spent lots of time on it. Now moving to tailscale, although I'll keep my wireguard server up and running.

Was using the DXP4800 Plus for a month before the main storage volume came unmounted and now can’t be accessed. Anyone else experiencing this?

I have a Synology Nas if I'd buy a Ugreen, could I somehow sync them so that if I have one file in one of the Nases it will be transfered to the other? Having 2 Synology Nases this would be possibile. But is there a way with a Synology and a Ugreen nas?

there needs to be a 12 bay from them, and also some SHR/TRAID competition

I am backing the 6 bay at 40% because i want a NAS as cloud, for plex and sometimes gameservers or other serverstuff Would you people generally recommend this? Would install unraid (got the license already before price switch)

I’m interested for their 10 GBps but I have concerns about the software. I’m used to Synology suite of software.

If people are watching these videos, they should buy the ugreen nas because they are tech savvy and should buy it for the hardware value. End of story.

cool

It’s interesting that I was looking at these recently and the I wonder if even the Kickstarter was actually just a marketing gimmick too. As things I noticed on the Kickstarter was that they only allowed the sale in US and Germany which limited market, never seen that personally before. They don’t seem to have hit their targets on all the sales and there was a clause that the project would not happen if the targets were not met and reaching that target had a cutoff date. So adding those together the second and third tier purchases may never have been possible to meet in the timeframe and so the end kickstarter delivery may have been planned to happen and was purely for marketing too?

Thank you for the 40 minute video. Different opinions are always good. Like me, many will wait for the last day on kickstarter and decide: Do I support this product or not? Every backer already knows that the hardware is great and software is not yet mature and whether I get the product and I lose a lot of money!!! There are 2 devices on my list: -NASync DXP6800 Pro -DXP480T All-Flash The thought at first was "if" I get the product, leave it in the box for a few more weeks and wait for the software to develop and then use it? Or do I just install Unraid on it? But what annoys me a bit is that I spend money for a product (in my case that's the equivalent of about 1000€ with 40% discount) but if the software is not yet good, I have to buy a license for Unraid and that costs an additional 249x2 dollars that I have to spend!!! So what's the point of the discount? Why release a product that is half finished? So I'm really curious what will happen on the last day before kickstarter ends. Sorry for my honest words. Thank you very much and have a nice weekend

@nascompares

Ай бұрын

Cheers for the input man. Really appreciate the positive vibes and the perspective. Have an awesome weekend man

That's the other problem, when and for how much. Being such a well-known company, they should have opened it up for everyone at that price point and just did a rolling roll out based on country, that way everyone could have had the same deal.

I'm in need of a NAS and a DAS (I'll go all flash with raid as a work drive) and I'll wait until Black Friday to see where the UGreen offerings have been in the wild with user feedback and maybe others will step up.

@xellaz

Ай бұрын

Sabrent makes decent DAS. For NAS'es, Synology is still the top especially when it comes to software offerings and functionality. Don't get an Orico DAS. I had one and it corrupted my data after a while. 🥲

Great discussion! Very helpful! Will hopefully spur Synology to upping their game on future hardware - Intel CPU (for Plex transcoding), standard 10GB/s, USB ports, etc. I doubt it though - they've become lazy and complacent - "cut and paste the AMD from the last model - job done - that'll do!"! Having said that uGreen NAS isn't 'oven ready' enough for me, and I worry that they won't develop the product sufficiently post kick-starter.

@nascompares

Ай бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it man

hardware wise, is a beast, it beats the hell out of the competition, but software wise, i'm seriously scared this will not meet anyone's expectations

Can you let us know the dimensions of the 8 bay (and also the 6 bay if you have access to it)? The width of the 8 bay might be a limiting factor for me but Ugreen has ignored my question.

@nascompares

Ай бұрын

Can you fire me and email on this ( Robbie at NASCompares) and ill get ot measured up for you when I'm at the office Monday. Cheers

I wish I would have canceled my order after seeing all the issues people are having after receiving their products. There is zero communication from UGreen on much of anything. This will be my first NAS and I am starting to realize that I maybe in over my head with their units. At this point I am stuck with the 6 bay if it ever gets shipped and I actually get the unit. Any suggestions on what to do? I know I cant get my $ back from kickstarter at this point. I think I should have gone with a more well know plug and play type of nas brand.

@thefoxhouse

18 күн бұрын

Hardware issues or software? Honestly, I’m willing to bet if you listed on eBay as an international sale you’ll get most if not all and then some of your money back. There is still a lot of interest in the hardware. Personally, I only went in for the hardware aspect. I’d it’s software issues I would consider just installing TrueNAS Scale or Unraid, especially since UGOS won’t be supported after your warranty

On the website the 2 thunderbolt 4 ports are advertised to be 40Gbps speed. Can you use these ports directly into a mac / pc to edit from as an alternative to buy 10Gbps adapters for our macbooks?

@nascompares

Ай бұрын

Not currently. These TB ports are just for expanded storage drives.

@filmfortbe

Ай бұрын

Do you think it would be possible in the "near" future? Are there other NAS's that provide this feature? I ordered this NAS to be part of our future video editing workflow, so I hope it will be added in before the launch 😅

@nascompares

Ай бұрын

*removes balanced KZread'r hat* ... ABSOLUTELY NO WAY they can get a feature like Thunderbolt networking turned around before the proposed early summer release! I will be impressed if they can get this up and running tbh. QNAP achieved it by throwing alot of $ at it, and although QSAN and Promise attempted to market Thunderbolt NAS products - in practice, neither of these solutions ended up as a commercially available device. Even BlackMagic design is working on a NAS system and they cannot/have no included it. If UGREEN achieve this, I will be F-ing STUNNED. *puts YT hat back on* That said, never say never...

I backed the all-flash model, but saw two reviews where the idle power consumption seemed unreasonably high. Tried to find out more information, even posted on reddit, but to no avail, so I canceled my backing and ordered a Minisforum MS-01 instead. Actually, if I consider that the price of the all-flash NAS is around 500 euros with the current Kickstarter discount, it doesn't seem to be as cheap as people say, compared to something like the MS-01 which is only around 100 euros more expensive (barebones) and comes with an i9 12900H CPU, and an absolute metric ton of networking options. Of course except if someone really needs those 4-5 m.2 slots, but 4 could be accomplished in the ms-01 too with a PCIe card. On the software side, installing Casa OS with Debian, and then adding some containers like Jellyfin or Plex is incredibly easy to do on a custom system.

@nascompares

Ай бұрын

Hoping to have that minisforum flash with the great nics on the channel v soon

@sirdurex5581

Ай бұрын

have fun finding a small form factor full flash nas with 10Gbe + 5 nvme slots at 500€.... i will buy more... if you just want to use 1/2,5 Gbe there is no reason for fullflashstorage in first place....obviously you do not know much about networking / hardware :/ you could get cheap away with an usb external drive and make a share out of it.. is it smart? nope.. is it cheap ? yea.. for you seems would be enough

@xellaz

Ай бұрын

I would also pick the Minisforum MS-01 over UGreen's 480T Plus since it has better hardware and value in regards to what you get for the price. 👍

@c4burst

Ай бұрын

Do you know the idle power consumption on the 4 bay pro?

@Hansen999

Ай бұрын

@@sirdurex5581 The Minisforum MS-01 has 2 x SFP+ ports + 2 x 2.5Gbe. Beats the Ugreen any day with it's single 10 Gbe RJ45 port

Wonder what the "use case" is for a desktop NAS is kind of... . I backed it. I like the hardware. I like the potential of their operating system. I figure it's going to improve enough to be more useful and less buggy that TrueNAS Scale, which in my opinion is a nightmare. Synology DSM is the gold standard of NAS OSes. Let's see how close they get to it. Most other brands can't hold a candle to it.

Wel for people that Fiddle... bought an SuperChassis 721TQ-350B2 with 4 hotswap bay's. Gigabyte MJ11-EC1 AMD EPYC 3151 motherboard with 16Gb ECC, remote management, dual nic, 8 sata, 1xM.2 For 400,- so they will not be paying 400 for this... 28w idle...

I am just happy that when I first time heard about this product, I had already invested in DIY i3-N305 6bay TrueNAS solution )) This product sounds legit though. Good luck to all the backers!

Does everyone know how to get this in other countries than Germany in Europe?

Want the hardware, going to change os. For The price I can't pass it up.

For non-Germany based EU (and UK) users how are you going to back this if we can't get it.

@callofdutyplayer115

Ай бұрын

I myself chose to have them send it to Germany and use a shipping company to send it to the Netherlands. I'm fortunate that my country is close to germany but for a big group of people this Kickstarter is unfortunately not very accessible.

I will not put potentially terabytes of data to any companies FIRST NAS OS. I wish them well and hope in the coming years that they create a stable, secure, continuously updated OS. Even though the hardware is sweet, I'll stick with my Synology. If you can use a third party OS, I'll give it a look. I would need to see a confirmation of that option availability in writing from UGreen on a NASync product page. I don't fully trust Facebook or Reddit posts. There is already some contradictions in what they initially said.

So if I had 400 to 500 dollars to buy a 4 bay NAS it sounds like avoid UGreen as it doesn't even work since this was just a few days ago. But what would you recommend at this price point it's hard to walk away from that hardware.

@nascompares

Ай бұрын

The software nails the basics and fundamentals (which at the price is ok), just don't go expecting a Synology or QNAP featured experience. If you are just looking for targeted storage over SMB and backups, the software does the job. But it's a beta, so hard to go in too hard/critical either

im glad they are in the ring competing. i wont be backing this v1 ill still stick with synology but in 1-2 years when v2 comes and the software and kinks and the public sentiment is out there then ill decide

@nascompares

Ай бұрын

Nicely balanced man. Respect

$599 for the 6 bay, dual 10gbe, thunderbolt, pci-e expansion, i5, that price can’t be beat….u can go find an i5-1235u laptop for the same price without all the features 😮 and 6 bays of 3.5hdd hot swap

Some ppl worried if ugreen be another storaxa scam?? Read a prebacker on the fence w ugreen , saw your storaxa the end?? Will ugreen be another storaxa or not?? Ugreen cant risk damaging their brand? Can they?

One of my big issues with this whole NAS topic is that nowadays everybody acts as tech people. Like the people who cried about the custom kernel, I am pretty sure about 95% of those people don't even know what the kernel does and what a custom kernel actually means. I cannot imagine that someone cares about a custom kernel and security, and at the same time not comfortable changing the OS on an X86 device :D It is the equivalent of having detailed knowledge about how a car's engine works but at the same time not knowing how to change a tire. Logan was a really good invite in my opinion, as he is someone with already proven technical knowledge, and I also liked Lauri's opinion, as someone who does not act as a technical person and tried to look at the product from an average user's viewpoint. At the same time, I myself didn't really like Frank's review, to be honest. I had the feeling of like when a typical Apple user reviewing some company's first Android phone. One more note on the security aspect. As someone who works in software development and has some experience with big releases, and has worked on some popular software, it is kind of common actually that developers do not focus on security before the final release. In the company I currently work for (one of the big tech daddy companies), security review is one of the latest steps before we release something, since 99% of security-related topics do not make sense to care about when you have software that changes on a daily basis. An open SSH is still much better than what devs usually do to make their life easier, even during beta builds :)

@nascompares

Ай бұрын

Genuine thank you for the insight and input! (Really hard in my British tone for that to not sound sarcastic). I see your points, though I would still venture to argue that the system, software and time between now and intended fulfillment to backers is all at the juncture that security needs to be squarely thought out and outlined by now. Especially for a NAS device that will be heading to quite alot of lesser net savvy users. Again, really appreciate the feedback and pov man. Have a great weekend!

@th3r3v92

Ай бұрын

As a non-native English speaker, I always have issues with the "Is my comment sounds sarcastic or not?" topic too 😅 And in case I was a bit confusing, I totally agree with you on this security topic now. Since only a few days before the campaign ends, and if I recall correctly, Ugreen stated that the expected shipping date is June/July, I also think that as of now, they should take care of focusing on the security aspects and just concentrate on the first final release version of the OS. My note was mainly in connection to earlier versions. But I think they should work on the production-ready release soon, instead of focusing on ZFS, iSCSI, and whatever new functionalities. In my humble opinion, they won't be able to properly satisfy everybody since there are a ton of edge cases that do not make sense to spend development resources on (I could talk about issues related to development teams led by management people instead of other devs for days), and they have already delivered Docker support, which is the perfect alternative compared to shipping custom (and usually mediocre) software packages (and it is not that hard to follow up on a few tutorials that a bunch of people are going to create anyways...). Btw, if I were part of that dev team, I would opt for something similar to what CasaOS is doing with its apps (that are basically just Docker images with some config) or like the Applications in TrueNAS Scale - just not with Kubernetes (maybe even let the community add extra packages/repositories, like TrueCharts for TrueNAS). The OpenSource community can do wonders when corporate people let them do what they want... But this does not really matter right now. Until the product is delivered, they should not work on new functionalities but instead focus on making the OS as stable as it can be for a new product. Then, during the first few days/weeks, they should focus on the (hopefully just a few) small bugs/issues reported by the actual end users. After that, they can deliver new functionalities and disrupt the NAS business however they want to do that. But right now, they should focus on the average users, and for them, security is something that you have to take care of. I hope you have a fantastic weekend as well!

It will be great if they sell as hardware only solution instead of turkey package (trust me bro edition) 😂 Ugreen is really good on hardware side

@nascompares

Ай бұрын

Tbh it's effectively 'that' already, not that they are flexible on the OS. Use it or not, it's the users call now. I'm not sure the software is making much of a dent on the price tbh

Good hardware isn't enough to charge the RRP prices when the software isn't up to scratch. And excluding everybody except the US and Germany from the kickstarter feels pretty nasty, it's put me off UGreen as a company, and I already have plenty of UGreen peripherals. I'm about to build my own h/w, install Proxmox, Truenas or Unraid, then just add the few apps I need. Apart from future peripherals I doubt I'll ever buy anything big from UGreen.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I would think that most people buy a NAS for the entire solution; a combination of hardware AND software. Anyone can put together a good hardware base for a DIY server and probably for less money than a turnkey NAS box. And the software to build a NAS is open source or free. But the value add for NAS systems IS the software which is optimized for the hardware. Except for special use cases, I don't really see much point installing your own software on a prebuilt NAS system. Am I missing something here? Why even bother with a half-baked NAS system if you have to pretty much do all the work anyway?

@Hansen999

Ай бұрын

You would be surprised how difficult it is to build a DIY NAS in a turnkey format. The current cases on the market is just too big and bulky compared to a turnkey solution. I seriously welcome this product range from a "open source - ability to BYO OS" point of view, when that's said, I wouldn't spend 2 minutes on Ugreen OS.

Ugreen went full influencer marketing. After watching your videos about it, i found so many gamer and barely tech covering channels advertising that new NAS lineup - and funnily, by talking about the same features using the same vocabulary and words - therefore shitposting the media channels with a lot of pseudo "unbox-positive" tests.

I think ugreen is a bit in a dilemma here. What's is there unique selling point? Atm it is price per hardware. but even a cheap nas is powerfull enough for a simple storage and backup solution. no normale user need an i5 with 64gb ram. with their marketing campaigns, they addressed a lot of normal user. but could be a problem in the future. because if the hole product is still beta. one bad update, and these people are helpless. a multi os strategie is a good idea. I already said in German Facebook group, they should just sell the hardware. for the typical private customer, they dont need a complex software, like Synology. the basic features and these people are happy. for all other people, ugreen could be a hardware reference.

What is the point with software? Most ppl are happy with it… I never needed more than docker…. I don’t see the need of other software for most users

I still do not get why people skip backing the product based on the "custom kernel" argument. Ugreen will have to publish their kernel sources (or patches) so what is the problem? I would guess that there are only so many patches as to address specific needs, just like QNAP or Synologoy do as well. I mean, those companies use custom kernels as well and nobody cares about it... That being said, the kernel should be your least concern with security in mind - the rest of the software is closed source anyway, just like with other NAS manufacturers. So either you trust those companies or you do not. Following that logic alone would lead anybody to use some free alternative NAS OS, not even considering the immature UGOS.

Fully agree with the final comments, I'm backing it to get a nicely build replacement of my old hp gen 8 microserver. I would not recommend it to my friends who would need a NAS without being technically interested and tech-savvy enough to put a different os on.

@nascompares

Ай бұрын

Beautifully put!

I fail to see a compelling reason to go for it. Hardware is always going to be a bit limiting or lacking compared to DIY. And on the software side the consensus seems to be "ehh you should be using on this anyway.

@nascompares

Ай бұрын

I see your point. But also, look at it from the PoV of the backers who haven't done their "time in the trenches" of I.T and/or general networking. A NAS can be alot more intimidating/time consuming proposition that you think. Yes, they could learn...build..improve..have a better server. But turnkey has always appealed to those users who are less versed on this. That's why it's important that people highlight that the software needs more time in the oven, despite some solid H/W - as those users might not appreciate how significant a point that is. Hope you see my point too many. Have a great weekend

@havok97818

Ай бұрын

@@nascompares Or I would add someone like me. Would I consider myself saavy enough to build a system and tinker with it and get it to do what I want it to do? Sure. I love putting systems together. But sometimes you just wanna grab something "off the shelf" and go. "I just don't feel like it" is very real lol.

@Mark.R_

Ай бұрын

In my view a (small home/office) NAS is all about the software, it's ease of use and reliability. Otherwise why not use an old pc as a proper server, sticking Windows Server or your server OS of choice on it.

But how many of these backers even know what a kernel is?

I dont like buying into new vs tried and true. So many times I have bought products hoping they update it and they go out of business or like ASUS they give you a couple updates and quit 😂 for something as important as file storage I cant justify "were learning" id rather hear we got this 99% good and then will still update. I wont buy it now but if they stick it out and become tried and true very plausable.

@racecrashrepeat

Ай бұрын

Ugreen is a big company they aren't a new small up and comer. They are established and financial very stable. They just launched the nasync on Kickstarter to enter the western market. They already have a footprint with NAS systems in Asia

How can we back it, when the kickstarter option isn't available in the UK. 🤬🤬🤬

@nascompares

Ай бұрын

Fair play

@xFX57x

Ай бұрын

Brexit

I got hit by storaxas

Sounds like from the software front they didn't realize how bad it was

@nascompares

Ай бұрын

It's not 'bad'. Just rudimentary in alot of places. If they commit long term to the things they say they want to do with it (and fair play, they have invested alot in this, where £5M raised is comparatively small) then this software could really improve!

I wanted to back it but unfortunately I am from Australia.

@nascompares

Ай бұрын

Bummer!

@christopherhill3353

Ай бұрын

@nascompares that would have been my first ever NAS, I had planned to use it for Plex and extended backup for my security NVR. Back to deciding what to buy.

@marktaylor7410

Ай бұрын

Same - I am in UK with the same problem. I am sure it will become available elsewhere than Germany and US, but at what price??

I noticed your background doesn't look as good as the 3 other guest youtubers lol how bout you tidy up the place and put some eye candy hahaha

i’ve been watching this campaign with some amusement. IMHO Ugreen does not understand NAS. They do understand how to build cool hardware. Nas is HARD. Security, lots of first and thitd party apps, mobile apps, security, oh and did I mention security? You’re giving people a box that they’re opening up to the wilds of the Internet. This is no small thing. I don’t think Ugreen has any idea what they’re in for.

@nascompares

Ай бұрын

THIS!

"Ugreen is pretty decent at making hardware" and yet these are the same muppets who released SATA TWO based DAS enclosures in 2024. 😬

@MasterMind187b

Ай бұрын

Did the really do Hardware? Most of them Looks like oem Things

@bufordmaddogtannen

Ай бұрын

@@MasterMind187b. They most likely slap their brand on OEM stuff.

Unfinished crowed funded products. Welcome to the world of 3d printers.

A 40 minute video to say whether the Ugreen units are good or not? I guess we don't have lives or anything else to do.

security discussion soooo overrated

@nascompares

Ай бұрын

Wait...what?

What i dont get ugreen already makes NAS devices. There at least the dx4600 and dx4700 (yes no 'p' is correct) that are china only. They raise a couple of questions to me: why are they china only? What OS runs on them and how does it compare to ugos? @nascompares maybe you have some insight?

Did he call Marques channel little. Marques Brownlee @mkbhd18.8M subscribers

@nascompares

Ай бұрын

I think ElectronicWizardary got name checked (for his great 3rd party OS video). Where did @mkbhd get mentioned? Genuine question, as this was recorded a few days ago and we were on the call for like 90mins. Covered loads . Cheers man

@mustafa1984455

Ай бұрын

@@nascompares he was the last one to talk he then said he wanted to talk about new products being reviewed and then mention MK's name watch your video and he said I don't know if you guys know about it or not he has a little channel

@junior-OG

Ай бұрын

it was a joke

@Jackknight28

Ай бұрын

At like the 10 minute mark? Yeah 100% that was a joke lol

@deathward990

Ай бұрын

@@mustafa1984455 it was a sarcasm