The lack of knees on the ground actually punishes people who stuff take-downs and allows grapplers to get away with crappy take-down attempt fails.

@fellowtraveler2251

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. Soccer kicks add a whole nother dimension to the sport which forces grapplers to stay active and not slow down the pace of the fight trying to stall or pull guard. Furthermore, there is 0 evidence that being kicked while laying down is any more dangerous than being kicked while on the feet. Like Ramsey said, it's not about safety, but the optics of safety.

@markcorrigan3930

Жыл бұрын

The ONLY people that stuff takedowns are WRESTLERS and Jose Aldo. Also wrestlers can reach that position via snapdowns. Watch Pride FC and see wrestlers dominating with knees to the head

@fgg4136

Жыл бұрын

@@markcorrigan3930 The fuck are you talking about? Only wrestlers can stuff a takedown? Are boxers the only people that can throw punches.

@httohot

Жыл бұрын

Basic physics is evidence Punch a floating balloon then punch a balloon anchored to the ground and tell me which one takes more damage

@zootjitsu6767

Жыл бұрын

Yes it makes takedowns more risky but it also makes it more rewarding once you have taken them down. Your opponent will be in side control bottom and will probably turtle up trying to stand.

This is so eye opening for me. It was so easy to watch UFC without questioning these things having grown up watching boxing and accepting many of these rules were just the norm for fighting.

@FellaHAILIRA

Жыл бұрын

Yep, the only thing is that he is a grappler and thus the bias.

I do agree that the round structure and glove requirement favors strikers. But most other rules favor grapplers. The main tension in a cross-style fight is the question -- "can the striker do enough damage to the wrestler/grappler as he closes?" Every rule that protects a wrestler/grappler as they close to contact is a major advantage to the grappler. This is especially true for rules that protect wrestlers/grapplers from suffering consequences after a failed takedown. A wrestler/grappler can seek and maintain contact without fear of strikes to the back of the head (not just 12-6 elbows, but any strike to the back of the head). A wrestler/grappler can seek and maintain contact without fear of kicks whenever they have a hand or knee on the mat. This drastically lowers the risk of attempting a takedown -- it ENCOURAGES the kind of "crappling" that you're upset about because the chances of getting busted up during a half-ass takedown attempt is far less. Go rewatch the first few UFCs (Gourdea's two wins in UFC 1, Rozier's win in the first round of UFC 1, Wiet's win in the first round of UFC 2, etc.) and look how many fights were decided by kicks and knees to a grounded opponent. The rules exist to protect a fighter at his most vulnerable point, but that allows wrestlers/grapplers to be more aggressive, take more risks, get away with more "less than perfect" entries. If grappler/wrestlers were eating a knee to the head every time they had a takedown stuffed by a sprawl, I guarantee you that fighters would shoot less frequently. Takedowns would be more like a spinning strikes -- they'd have to feel range, feint, and strike to create an opening before taking the risk.

@gagebatek1809

Жыл бұрын

Hey what you said about punches to the back of the head isn't really true

@zacharycompton5624

Жыл бұрын

@@gagebatek1809 yeah they can still land plenty quality punches to the side and the top of the head.

@zacharycompton5624

Жыл бұрын

Wrestlers would be the people ending up at the top of a successful sprawl more often. In my humble opinion if we went back to original no gloves vale tudo no rounds style anything allowed, you would see grapplers dominate.

@angelsjoker8190

Жыл бұрын

@@zacharycompton5624 Strikes to the back of the head have a much higher effect because they directly affect the cerebellum responsible for vital functions and not just the frontal cortex. I agree with OP that this "grounded opponent" rule strongly favors grapplers/wrestlers. Also, the cage favors wrestlers/grapplers. Imagine the fight taking place on a football field where the striker always has enough space behind to stay out of clinch/TD range.

@gw1357

Жыл бұрын

@@zacharycompton5624 You're missing the point. Whether strikers or wrestlers successfully sprawl more often, its ALWAYS in response to a wrestler/grappler. Therefore, a rule that makes counter-striking after a sprawl less potent inherently favors wrestler/grapplers. Think of it like this a striking analogy. Spinning kicks are great. They generate a lot of power and that leads to knockouts. But they also leave you very exposed if you miss. So strikers spend a lot of time setting them up and only use them smartly. But, IMAGINE if the rules said "you may not attack a standing opponent from his rear quarter." After a spin kick, you'd have to wait until they reset and were facing you again. With that rule, strikers would throw spin kicks all the time with far less care for quality, because the rules restrict the counter. Its the same thing protecting the back of the head and a grounded opponent for wrestlers/grapplers.

You've included some great clips of old UFC to illustrate your points here!

Senator McCain’s (his wife) was highly connected to Bud Light, who was the main sponsor fir pro boxing at the time. He didn’t want UFC sales to interfere with boxing/bud light sales! That’s the only reason he was interfering!

@RamseyDewey

Жыл бұрын

I’ve heard that too. McCain was a life long boxing fan. He even competed in boxing in the Navy.

Great stuff coach, love how u tell Jack Dempsey stories . I reader that book thanks to you and my boxing level rise 100%. The mechanics are perfect and if u follow jacks instruction u will definitely get better

@RamseyDewey

Жыл бұрын

Dempsey’s book is exceptional!

IMO, UFC rules favorite grapplers more. They put too much restrictions on striking, particularly limiting what can be done on grounded opponent. The only rule really favorite striker is the round time.

@ryanspencer2412

Жыл бұрын

That Makes no sense

@silentassassin423

Жыл бұрын

Limitations of what you can do to a grounded opponent effects both sides. But the fact that every round starts with striking only favors strikers.

@kwanarchive

Жыл бұрын

@@silentassassin423 That's like saying the real world favors strikers because all real world fights starts with striking.

@silentassassin423

Жыл бұрын

@@kwanarchive No. That is different. Of course if a striker wants to win against a grappler, the fight has to start on the feet. But round system is different. Sometimes a wrestler gets a takedown and he works really hard for it. And the striker has no clue how to get up, so he just tries not to get finished and waits for the round to end. And they start on the feet again. Now the grappler has to work even more because the striker got saved by the bell. Even if there are rounds, I would like it more if fighters started the next round with the position they were in, in the previous round. If that's the case, then the striker wouldn't get saved by the bell, because they will start the next round on the ground. And the striker would have to use his own skills to get up.

@kwanarchive

Жыл бұрын

@@silentassassin423 That's not fair either, because the grappler had a rest. Maybe before the round finished, they were gassing out and would have let go. But because of the rest, they get their stamina back and hold on when they would have failed.

The original idea behind rounds in boxing was to prevent striking a downed opponent and/or groundfighting. Before the Marquis of Queensbury rules were introduced a round ended whenever someone was knocked down. If even a knee touched the floor, then the round was over and there was a break of up to 30 seconds. The Queensbury rules introduced the idea of a standardized round length, before then rounds could vary from a few seconds to 20+ minutes.

@RamseyDewey

Жыл бұрын

Yep. That’s why many of those old fights went on for over a hundred “rounds”. I have often wondered if those old boxers just took a knee whenever they needed a break.

@Stephen_Curtin

Жыл бұрын

@@RamseyDewey yup they did indeed drop to a knee sometimes just to have a rest. Old newspaper articles from the time mention it occasionally. It was fairly frowned upon though, and sometimes the two boxers even agreed before the fight that it was against the rules, and if the ref caught either man intentionally dropping to a knee he could stop the fight and disqualify the guy.

I've seen grapplers broken up and forced to stand. I've never seen strikers broken up and forced to grapple.

Whenever I explain MMA rules to anyone I basically say "Boxing with a little bit of grappling ducttaped on top." The way they score grappling is atrocious and arbitrary.

@RamseyDewey

Жыл бұрын

Basically. The 10 point must system doesn’t work for MMA. And so say that as someone who has judged hundreds of professional fights on the 10 point must system.

"Crap-pling". Solid gold, Ramsey. Just right on point. 😆

Insightful as always.

Great breakdown. There is at least one very simple fix to one of the (big) imbalances you are listing: the ref could start the new round from the position the fighters ended the prior round in. Not a lot of discussion, it’s done in BJJ tourneys the entire time, usually to bring the two competitors back to the center of the mat.

Great video Ramsey! For the most part in life, I have come to the conclusion that all perceptions of safety are an illusion that may dissolve at any moment.

Very much appreciate the history, sir. Didn't know any of that. Also appreciated the "security theater" comment... you clearly get it. Great video!

Very insightful Ramsey! A Fountain of knowledge! Osu! 🙏🥋🙇‍♂️

A+ Ramsey on the "Crappling" call out, brilliant play on words!

This man always has good views and you can tell he knows his stuff well. He's an interesting character.

Informative and interesting as always! It's annoying when you hear people talk about mma being "so brutal" but then boxing is all Well and good. Happens less these days though.

Good points, as usual.

I agree SO HARD on this. Striking makes for good business. Grappling makes for effective fighting.

@bobbyjoeyoung2becausesteph194

Жыл бұрын

Grappling was exposed in pride fc which is why they implemented all the modern day sissy rules which handicap strikers so quit lying and go watch some pridefc fights because its obvious grappling was exposed and its useless when a striker has all his tools to work with

@Boogieman618

Жыл бұрын

@@bobbyjoeyoung2becausesteph194 stfu lol you’re just mad that grappling is better than striking at every aspect. Pride fc is flawed simply because there were way more strikers than grapplers in the league.

@grappling.enthusiast

7 ай бұрын

@@bobbyjoeyoung2becausesteph194 The king of pride FC was Fedor, a judoka. so no, pride did not expose grappling.

Ramsey- I have a question for one of your Q&As: How much attention do you give to determining your opponent's timing and what techniques (like certain feints) do you find affective to help you gauge their reactions? I'd love to hear and see you walk us through your techniques and especially your mindset as you do this.

Yeah, most people really just want to see an active version of kickboxing, while most UFC grappling simply isn't good enough to be described as "a chess match". You just don't see too many fights of the quality of the 2006 bout between Parisyan and Sanchez. I think that, more than anything else, people like to see finishes rather than decisions and striking results in more finishes than grappling.

I'd love to see modern MMA competitions with no rounds and say about a 30 min. time limit

I remember getting into a discussion about this with the Oleinik vs Lewis fight. Just before the first round ended Lewis was in a very tight kimora and most likely would've tapped had there been no bell/started in the same position next round. But 2nd round came and Lewis won by tko.

@ryanspencer2412

Жыл бұрын

I was sad about that lol.

@lucasvana1821

Жыл бұрын

It’s the same thing with the more recent Brunson and Cannonier fight. Brunson was on his back looking for the RNC, and almost had it.

@memevarg2530

Жыл бұрын

So? Same can be said about the wrestlers who gas out quickly but get a takedown every round to win on the scorecards...

@JonAfrica-vg7xq

Жыл бұрын

@@memevarg2530 guys like colby and khabib dont gas dum dum. Wrestlers usually have great cardio

@memevarg2530

Жыл бұрын

@@JonAfrica-vg7xq those are exceptions. Them and gsp. I've seen more wrestlers gas out in the stand-up than strikers...

Excellent. Outstanding.

This is why I love Dewey, he breaks down common sense into scientific facts

@cortezfilms8511

Жыл бұрын

I agree with Dewey, but this just a discussion. Not a scientific fact, please don’t confuse the two they’re vary deferent.

Using the Thai clinch setting up knees and elbows has won me lots of thai fights but when I try it in MMA it doesn't last long in the clinch and often goes to the ground.

@RamseyDewey

Жыл бұрын

Yep, double collar ties have to be used very differently when you’re dealing with the level changes of wrestling.

Confirmed! The Ramsay Dewey Invitational will be Combat Jujitsu rules.

Hi coach. Great video. I agree 100% with your take on boxing. I would like to know how would you make the sport of boxing safer. What ruleset would you introduce if you had the chance? I love the sport, but certainly we could make it safer. Although i think it could cost money and that's why nobody tried (or maybe tried but did not accomplish any major change), i would like to know your take on that. Keep making videos! and sorry for my english.

I've been watching a few of the old ufc fights lately. Specifically the Gracie/Shamrock fights. Definitely the no time limit fights ended up not as dramatic for the average spectator. The rules version made the sport more palatable for the networks and sponsors. I also agree many of the rules are for the sake of safety theater. Thank you for your great commentaries and videos.

Also the intro was hilarious !

Fantastic video Ramsey! Though I agree with many of your points, I would imagine rules, namely gloves rounds, and time limits are in place to encourage a more exciting fight for a casual audience. At the end of the day, the UFC and other fight promotions have to run a business and if more scrappy striking matches which have an urgency given time limits sell better, than that’s gonna be the product. Again, great video!

Your point about the gloves is spot on, gloves are basically a weapon. I mean like a level 1 weapon, but a weapon none the less, it would give you a distinct advantage over a bare handed combatant.

For self defense usually a Grappling focus is just better. Also biting, eye gouging, even headbutts are all at grappling range.

Quite interesting. Never thought about it that way. I'd love to be able to utilise all my striking from TKD but prob important to be competent in grappling. Which U used to do through BJJ.

"Reach out and touch someone with your fist" will make a good t-shirt though.

The smallest violine is playing right now (and it's trying to gain top control)

I thought they did that to make the sport more television-friendly; to kill the boredom and boost ratings.

Gosh, this video is semi brilliant

THANK YOU MR.DOO-WEE!

Hey Ramsey, what do you think about different enclosures for fights and which would you consider the most "authentic?" Like the ring MMA of Pride, the typical Cage and the Karate Combat pit.

@RamseyDewey

Жыл бұрын

MMA in the karate combat pit would make takedowns ridiculously easy. At least with a cage wall, both fighters have to work evenly when up against the fence. MMA in a boxing ring sucks. It’s just bad… nope. Anything bigger and more open than a cage, and you’ll just burn more time on the clock before the fighters run into the barrier again and test its limits.

What do you think about Rio Heroes tournament? They had no gloves, no time limits, allowed the headbutts, etc.

I wonder who or how there should be a push to change the rules based on modern knowledge to protect the fighters.

Coach if you were to make a ruleset that had less flaws than the current universally accepted one that favors both boxers and grapplers and didn't have any of the well intentioned dumb rules how'd you go on about it? I'm really curious and hope it gets picked on by people and hopefully more people come to realize it, anyhow thanks for the great content and keep on with it

In my opinion, it's good that the rules favor strikers for two big reasons: 1. Striking is usually more entertaining and fun fights are good for the sport 2. In a real fight you can NEVER go to the ground because you WILL get your head stomped on. Now don't get me wrong grappling has its place; for example, when you are trying to pacify someone without hurting them, and standing grappling is useful all around, but please, if you live in a dangerous neighborhood, don't learn bjj.

@katokianimation

Жыл бұрын

1. Mma is a real fighting. It is sucks to watch a streetfight it is sucks to be part in one. Mma shouldn't imitate street fights. 2. Ground and pound ends most of the street fights. What your plan after you got knock down or if somebody jumped on you. Do you eat all the stomping and wait untill they went away?

@Tigermaster1986

Жыл бұрын

@@katokianimation >>Mma should imitate street fights. --- Um... Have you actually seen a street fight? I'm not asking if you've been in one, because it's obvious that you haven't, but have you at least witnessed a fight on the street or in a pub, or anywhere in public outside the controlled environment of a gym or a sports hall? I have. People who fight on the street are, more often than not, absolute idiots, often drunk and/or drugged out of their mind, windmilling their hands uncontrollably, and often the fight ends not because one of the two morons is a better fighter, but because, being the untrained weak slobs that they are, they both get gassed quickly. Or someone's friends come to help and/or save their buddy. Or the security guards or the police break the fight up. Why the hell should elite fighters imitate that?

@katokianimation

Жыл бұрын

@@Tigermaster1986 it meant to be as an ironic statement. I Agree . A sport should be technical, fun to watch. And fun to do if you are into it. I have been in some brawl. And holding a person down until he is gassed out and yelling with his friends to bring him away from me is no fun. Fighting with noobs is never fun even if everything goes smoothly...

@Tigermaster1986

Жыл бұрын

@@katokianimation Oh. Sorry. English isn't my first language and occasionally I don't get written irony well enough.

@ondrejjavurek7748

Жыл бұрын

​@@katokianimation Yes mma is real, fair fighting, but street fights are almost never fair. Its almost always something like 2 against 5. And the problem is, when you say it's fighting, a lot of people think, "Ok every evening I walk through a dangerous area from work, lets see how can I defend myself? Hey mma has the most real fighting, but it looks a bit too dangerous. What about bjj, Joe Rogan said it's good for fighting, plus all the mma guys train it, lets learn that" That guy tries it when he gets in a bar fight, takes the someone down and gets socker kicked in the head by another guy. MMA will always be seen as real fighting, and people will think what works there is the best thing for them. That's all I wanted to say with the second point. Btw, I like bjj, its great 1v1; it just doesn't belong in a street fight.

Stand ups after a “stalemate” on the ground also favors strikers

@RamseyDewey

Жыл бұрын

By “stalemate” they usually mean “boring grappling that the casuals boo at”

@Mike_LaFontaine75

Жыл бұрын

@@RamseyDewey So, how long shall we be treated to two grapplers locked on the ground waiting for an opening? 10 minutes? 15 ? An hour?

@gagebatek1809

Жыл бұрын

@@Mike_LaFontaine75 however long you think it would take for you to get up against a ufc fighter lol

@Mike_LaFontaine75

Жыл бұрын

@@gagebatek1809 Good luck with that, I'll watch boxing action instead.

@gagebatek1809

Жыл бұрын

@@Mike_LaFontaine75 it was a joke not serious 😒 but boxing is boring its too repetitive and it's way more dangerous

But most the rules also help the grappler. Had fights where I can't take the guy round 1, talk to my corner next rounds I can take the guy down and keep them down after resting and analyzing a different approach. Gloves allow me to punch harder during ground and pound.

@grappling.enthusiast

7 ай бұрын

they help both - just strikers benefit more from it

@TinyTitian

7 ай бұрын

@@grappling.enthusiast I will accept this take.

I don't think so, grapplers can get away with more mistakes than strikers due to rules. I'd wholeheartedly agree with you if they removed the "down opponent" rule. Edit: this is only slightly related but what do you think it's the safest combat sport? I'd say olympic fencing.

@cahallo5964

Жыл бұрын

I'd go as far as saying that crappy double legs are to mma what inactive clinching is to boxing

@httohot

Жыл бұрын

I really dont think you realize how often and fast fights would end die to broken hands if there were no gloves in mma or boxing. Think about having every striker lose 30% of their power if they removed gloves. Another thing you gloss over is the existence of rounds, they give strikers time to rest and strategize. It forces grapplers to be more cautious and pace themselves more. There is a reason most street fights devolve into grapling. Striking requires a rules set to exist outside of thr initial aggression of a fight

@cahallo5964

Жыл бұрын

@@httohot the first thing you said is stupid. I agree with the rounds argument, coach Ramsey didn't say anything wrong, he just downplayed what I said in my comments.

@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812

Жыл бұрын

@@httohot the broken ha.fs thing, yes is a valid point but only because they currently do not train to punch properly. And certainly don't train to fight without gloves. But their training would be affected and they would adapt over time . Once they figured it out they'd be hitting harder than they were with the gloves on. And alot more open cuts to the face and less knockouts , your really not likely to actually knock someone unconscious without gloves, it's the gloves that help that to happen in the first place.

The rule that actually protect wrestlers/grapples is strikes to the back pf of the head not allowed. They are viable since the cage helps to defende the takedown, be it punches, elbows or even karate chops. And yes, strikes to the head would make defending a TD against the cage much easier. Hard to push thru a td while your cerebelum is being hammered.

what rule set would you implement if you had agency to replace what UFC currently uses to regulate fights?

@YearsOVDecay1

Жыл бұрын

MORTAL KOMBAT

@David-lk1hq

Жыл бұрын

I do not think it is possible to read that and not hear it screamed in your head kzread.info/dash/bejne/ZZyF185wZ7CwqKQ.html

Union rules also favor strikers. WORKERS UNITE!!!!

How do you feel about strikes to the back of the head in MMA? Some people think it should be legal, but I'd need to see empirical data and studies about that type of blow to decide.

@bolieve603

Жыл бұрын

In boxing tradition (and we just had a video about boxing tradition and its flaws) it is an aphorism that most deaths come from strikes to the back of the head.

Do you take any supplements? and if so which have you found to be worth the money?

On the eight count front, sports like BKFC and Muay Thai often wave the fight on knockdowns which the referee considers to be sufficiently severe. As we move to a world where many referees ref multiple sports, and most don't start in boxing, this practice is starting to trickle into boxing. Did you know that in Douglas vs. Tyson people say that Tyson received a quick count when in reality the referee waved the count before it reached ten? You can watch it slow motion on KZread. Horrific knockdown, btw

,,Striking is touching each other too! Didn't you know that, guys?" awesome

I don’t necessarily agree with your title but I do like your points that certain rules favor certain styles.

"Crappling" is such a great term, and it is entirely what I do 😆

7:08 I remember seeing that live on pay per view. I was like "Whoa!"

I do find the 12 to 6 elbow thing weird considering all other types of elbows use the same body part to attack the same body part...

UFC rules favor strikers because Mark Coleman and Mark Kerr used to combine grappling with headbutts and there was really no way to counter it so they just banned it and started adding more rules

@KrigRaseri

Жыл бұрын

A shame, or else Lethwei would be knocking on the door. I would love to see headbutts being used in MMA.

Not in every situation. How about when someone is bent over, pinning his opponent to the cage trying to get a takedown and the back of the grappler's head, neck, kidneys and spine are open, BUT its against the rules for the striker to elbow/punch them. There's a lot of occasions where the grappler is bent over, grabbing the legs and they're back and neck is completely open and incredibly vulnerable in a real fight, but you aren't allowed to strike there in MMA. (And when I say the grappler is bent over, it also could be a "striker" who shoots the takedown and is in a vulnerable position to be struck, but protected by the rules)

@RamseyDewey

Жыл бұрын

If you have your back against the cage because a halfway competent guy is in on a double leg or a single leg, the reason you would still be able to remain standing is under hooks and over hooks. As soon as you release that in an attempt to strike, you’ll go down. I wish they would legalize 12 to 6 elbows just so the world could see that it is not the game changing move people think it is because of the taboo.

@stephanwatson7902

Жыл бұрын

@@RamseyDewey I've seen Israel Adesanya in that position where his legs are sideways against the cage, he had an underhook and his opponent is bent over and Izzy still had a free hand where he could elbow the back of the head, neck and spine. It's not even about 12:00 to 6:00 it's about how vulnerable the back of your head, neck, spine and kidneys are and how many positions those are actually open. Not saying it would have stopped Khabib, but watch the first takedown against Conor. Conor knees Khabib and then sprawls and Conor has one hand free and tries to hit Khabib and has a lot of open targets, but none of them are legal. Khabib is in a turtle position holding a leg and his vulnerable back and neck areas are wide open. There's a reason kidney blows, hitting the spine and back of the neck are illegal it's very dangerous to get hit there and that 100% favors certain grappling positions

@stephanwatson7902

Жыл бұрын

@@RamseyDewey I don't entirely disagree with the premise of the video tho, there's plenty of rules and stuff in MMA that favor strikers. Gloves and wrist tape favor strikers, not to mention the gloves make it just a little harder to choke your opponent. Plus if there were no gloves at all, people would have to be a lot more careful throwing punches

@RamseyDewey

Жыл бұрын

@@stephanwatson7902 striking the kidneys is NOT illegal in MMA. That’s a myth.

@stephanwatson7902

Жыл бұрын

@@RamseyDewey myth must have come from that rule that didn't allow heel kicks to the kidneys from Guard. Still follows my point, its very effective to elbow or punch the back of the head, neck, spine and kidneys and the head/back of neck/spine, are illegal and that does benefit people in certain grappling positions

Coach Ramsey, Chael Sonnen has made multiple videos talking about how ineffective kicks are in a fight. I’m curious if you can comment on that. He basically says kicks carry more risks than rewards and it’s better to just punch in a fight.

I haven't been able to find any real stats of any kind, but I think it's very possible that striking leads to more finishes than grappling. Are more fights finished by striking than grappling? Any stats on that?

@RamseyDewey

Жыл бұрын

Almost 50% of UFC fights end via TKO, the remainder are fairly evenly distributed between KO, decision, and submission

@Malt454

Жыл бұрын

@@RamseyDewey - Thanks! It's interesting when one considers how well grapplers did, overall, in the UFC before the round system was introduced. It's also easy to see that if, within a set time limit, a bout is as likely to end by decision as by submission, grappling isn't seen as being as "decisive" as striking today. Given no time limit, the early UFCs were a good argument, not for the "superiority" of BJJ, but for the idea that grappling was an effective way of neutralizing a single opponent. Even though that's still true, imposing any kind of time limit on bouts in the interest of showing more fights was a natural evolution, not of fighting, but of the business of selling fights within a predictable timetable/format. In the fight world of today, it's an interesting question as to whether, without rounds and in a non-tournament format, UFC events WOULD show more, or even better, fights than they currently do. Even though he won almost as many fights by KO/TKO and decision as by submission (8/10/11), no one really had an answer to Khabib Nurmagomedov's grappling, even WITHIN the rules of the UFC as they currently stand and in an era when takedown defense is seen as fundamental as any other fighting skill.

Hey Ramsey I was curious if fighters grease themselves prior to a fights to make it more difficult for their opponents to grab onto them?

@RamseyDewey

Жыл бұрын

Muay Thai fighters and sanda fighters do that. Turkish oil wrestlers do it. And it’s illegal in MMA to apply any oil, ointment, lubricant or liquid to the body prior to a fight. The only thing allowed on your skill before you enter the cage is your own sweat.

Ramsey which do you think is easier to takedown? (wrestling) a) tall lanky guy in your weight class b) short stocky guy in your weight class

@RamseyDewey

Жыл бұрын

The one who doesn’t know how to wrestle is easier to take down.

Hey Ramsey, do you prefer having a beard or a shaven face? Always a question that's been on my mind

@Taekwon-Brando

Жыл бұрын

I guess neither? Alright then

Hi Ramsey, if you were to write a rule set for UFC what would it include?

@jonnytunmore8791

Жыл бұрын

Add what would you disallow?

@Ramsey Dewey I would actually be interested in the history of rounds in boxing itself. Why precisely 3 and not 5,6,20 etc. Why 3 minutes and not more etc.

@RamseyDewey

Жыл бұрын

3 rounds is a carryover from kickboxing tournaments. Originally, pro kickboxing had 4 to 15 round fights like boxing. But when kickboxing single elimination tournaments started like K1, and the fighters had to compete multiple times in the same night, they shortened the fights to only 3 rounds. The UFC originally used a single elimination tournament format, so they used the K1 three round system.

Ramsey what type of video games did u play as a kid and as u got older ....like type of consoles

I understand the complaint about knees to the head of a grounded opponent but what about spiking and small joint attacks (especially if they got rid of gloves/wraps) Wouldn’t strikers have a hard time if their fingers and wrists were getting broken all the time?

@RamseyDewey

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@RamseyDewey

Жыл бұрын

Spiking: kzread.infoD21kqfG93n4?feature=share kzread.info/dash/bejne/fGl2sKR7YLCphsY.html

@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812

Жыл бұрын

Well generally that's when they would learn to not break them lol

@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812

Жыл бұрын

But as I'm sure his replies point out those other things you mentioned are legal in UFC

@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812

Жыл бұрын

As with all things like that tho, it would greatly alter the training UFC fighters undertake and the techniques they use. I'm just personally not a fan of competition but that would definitely make it alot more realistic, although the reality of a fight is what they are attempting to get away from by having the rules they do.

Had some ideas, there's no real MMA schools or fight clubs here other than a karate school. This place would be perfect for a center like you have!

I don't know I think they favor grapplers because they promote them so heavily

Of course it does. Why are there rounds otherwise? So many fighters are saved from submission by the bell or just stall when they are on bottom.

Personally wouldn't like it if grapplers are also limited in what they do and I say this as a Muay Thai enthusiast.

I thought this was obvious from most scoring details(a judge would most likely award a win to a striker that opened a cut on his opponent vs a grappler with good top control but no submission) but the only rule I know that can benefit grapplers is the inability to knee/kick an opponent once a leg is down. Also idk how many fake grappling people have seen to think they would be able to 12-6 elbow someone on a takedown attempt unless maybe to the top of the skull/back of the head, which is already illegal. While I do think it makes sense due to the fact that many "fans" do not appreciate grappling on a technical level outside of an imanari roll/choke/kimura, it also does require the strikers to learn some grappling because if any boxer with zero MMA or grappling training had to fight under ufc rules against someone from a jiu jitsu background they would just get rag dolled

@IncredibleMD

Жыл бұрын

"Top Control" is almost as meaningless and subjective as "Octagon Control".

@ElijahLoganmaztrpeac3official

Жыл бұрын

@@IncredibleMD if you agree that UFC is geared towards strikers, you should get that something as meaningless and subjective as "top control" is going to be a lot easier for grapplers to be scored toward. A great example is early in Khabib Nurmagomedov's fight with Al Iaquinta, but I'm curious what you think would be a better method to score towards grappling advantage that would be able to apply to judges trying to score a fight

@IncredibleMD

Жыл бұрын

@@ElijahLoganmaztrpeac3official The problem with grappling is that it's a lot more binary than striking. It either worked or it didn't. Punch someone in the face, and he'll feel that for the rest of the fight. A submission attempt doesn't do anything, in the long run. If it had been effective, it would've been finished. Six submission attempts and zero submissions just means you got your offence totally shut down a half dozen times. Counting submission attempts is like counting dodged punches.

@ElijahLoganmaztrpeac3official

Жыл бұрын

@@IncredibleMD that's why I was asking what you think would be an effective way to score points because realistically a decision victory is going to the more effective striker

@IncredibleMD

Жыл бұрын

@@ElijahLoganmaztrpeac3official Effective grappling doesn't need scoring, because if the grappling was actually effective, the fight would've ended in a stoppage. You can punch someone, and not knock them out, and still do damage. But a hold doesn't really do damage until the point the ref will stop the fight over it. Choking someone half-unconscious is the same as not choking them at all. That's how BJJ gets away with training full force on each other and choking each other hlf-unconscious a dozen times in a session without ill effect.

Hey Ramsey I have been practicing K1/Dutch style for 1,5 years and i also did some Karate when i was younger. Yesterday i had a conversation with that friend who is a judo guy but also has some Karate experience (he did private Wado Ryu lessons and i know for a fact that he has never had a striking sparing session in his life). He sent me a 30 second video of Kyokushin highlights and started saying the usual staff that a TMA guy would say like: "This is real fighting for the streets! You Combat sports wimps can't even fight without your wimpy gloves and headgears! Any karate guy would finish you in seconds... blah blah blah" Isn't it funny that the guys who know nothing always have the most loud mouth? And also don't you think that 5 rounds of sparing with experienced fighters would change their opinion a lot?

@RamseyDewey

Жыл бұрын

Oh, guys like that generally don’t make it past 30 seconds of sparring, let alone a full round, IF you can get them to agree to spar at all.

@AngryGrape1337

Жыл бұрын

Which is funny because Kyokushin and Judo are combat sports. So is Taekwondo, and even Kung Fu (Sanda). All a combat sport is in essence is you make a sport of any martial art by adding a ruleset to it. I could make a ruleset for Fujian White Crane or Wing Chun if I wanted. Back then, Judo and Karate didn't have rules or a sport, it was reality based self defense except it's actually based in reality.

gloves actually make punching more dangerous and cause more concussions, same with rounds. Literally the opposite of the Safety they wanted.

2:14 "super physiological level" a picture of deltoid Derrick would have fit so nice here

@RamseyDewey

Жыл бұрын

Hahaha!

Ramsey, does every country have their own martial art? Why I mean is, it seems there are tonnes of versions of grappling, e.g. Pancration, Greco Roman, believe there is a Chinese and Mongolian but they all have specific names. Is this the same for all martial art types? Furthermore seems to be Chinese boxing, etc. Heard a guy on YT claim 70% of Korean martial arts are kicking?

So what should be the solution?

My favorite. Not being able to kick your opponent if he has a hand touching the floor. Specially when you're on your back...

Though actually there are very few techniques on the grappling side that are illegal, basically only “spiking” so grappling has the advantage in allowed techniques ;)

@BrainFuck10

Жыл бұрын

No also headbutts, Make Coleman would wrestle guys and just smash them with headbutts the technique worked too good so they banned it

@gagebatek1809

Жыл бұрын

Also " spiking " probably isn't what you think it is

@MJRLHobbyStuff

Жыл бұрын

@@gagebatek1809 you mean it’s not lifting an opponent off the mat holding in a position where his hips and spine are directly over his head, then dropped the opponent straight down on the top of his head, basically a pro wrestling pile driver/tombstone?

@MJRLHobbyStuff

Жыл бұрын

@@gagebatek1809 John McCarthy said “as long as the head spine and hips travel in some kind of arch on the way up and down, it’s not spiking.” Whole body off the ground, held straight upside down, dropped straight down on the top of the head, is that right?

I think the rules favour mixed martial artists instead of fighters with just one fighting style. If you’re a world class striker with zero grappling experience and you fight someone that just knows how to take you down you’re going to loose

@RamseyDewey

Жыл бұрын

This guy gets it!

@cortezfilms8511

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

The Pride FC tended to favor strikers as well. edit : i remember someone told me how the final bout of the UFC 2 was lame because ''Royce Gracie took his sweet time to submit". and the fight you mention, Orlando and his wife literally told on a French tv it was barbaric, and David Douillet (2 time judo olympic champ) highly critized the other guy by saying ''he s not a good judoka, i didnt know he was a good brawler".

@Mike_LaFontaine75

Жыл бұрын

What was that Gracie fight where the wrestler was in his guard for 45 minutes? Yaaawnn.

@grappling.enthusiast

7 ай бұрын

King of Pride was Fedor, the Judoka so i have no idea where this idea Pride was a strikers pit came from

Ramsey your right about the unspoken rules in the uk 😂🤣🤣

(Before Watching the Video) UFC rules are biased against grapplers, especially wrestlers. The majority of banned strikes could only be fully utilized if the opponent is on the bottom or ground. A good grappler/wrestler is more likely to be the one standing up or in top control, thus being in a better position to utilize these strikes. You can't kick someone when they're down unless you can take them down to begin with. Same is true for knees to the head. Downward elbows are only really useful in top control. Strikes to the back of the head are often only available if you have your opponent's back. That's not even including the rules about gloves or rounds that negatively effect grapplers. Gloves and wraps prevents wrist submissions, makes holding onto the wrist harder and allow strikers to punch harder without the fear of breaking their hand. There have also been many fighters who were saved by the bell when they were in a bad spot on the ground. By comparison, a flying knee to the face which is a danger for wrestlers is allowed by the ruleset. Grapplers, especially wrestlers, win despite the rules of UFC, not because of them.

@MyCommentsGetGhosted

Жыл бұрын

I'm glad that there is now a good video I can point to concerning these points.

Good content as always! But man, that bloom is hurting my eyes 😑

5:56 I mean strikes to the fist with a round elbow doesn’t sound safe, but I don’t think I’ve seen anyone do that in MMA.

@willtherealrustyschacklefo3812

Жыл бұрын

They aren't really able to/don't train to use that kind of technique, plus it's kinda dumb to be trying to hurt people in a competition, thus it's honestly kind of dumb to take part in such a "competition" tbh

2:22 that glove topic is so obvious i didnt even realize

It's like cricket, the rule changes usually benefit the batter, simply cos some one smashing 6's over the fence is entertaining to the masses. It takes a fanatic to appreciate the intricacies of spin bowling that no-one can score off. Likewise a smash & basher with armoured hands is more exciting to watch than a couple of dudes writhing on the mat

Crappling is the word of the Year 😂😂

I think grappling doesn't dominate as much as it used to, due to literally every fighter having some form of Juijitsu Wrestling or Judo ect training. At the very least they know how to defend takedowns. I see your point about gloves too, and rounds too.

Absolutely. Just the concept of a "standup" in general is so biased toward striking it's insane. Many fights would be over just because one guy got top position. Once.

The only thing I can really see in this that favours the strikers is the structure of the rounds. Even that I have to take with a grain of salt because by that logic every grappler should have won every fight in Pride but that simply was not the case. Strikers had the ability to strike with a lot more freedom on the ground. Knees and 12 to 6 elbows to a grounded opponent were allowed. So were soccer kicks to the head if they were just attempting lazy takedowns to try and get a rest. I think realistically with the rules that are in place. If you're a grappler predominantly you're going to feel like the rules are in favour of the strikers with the energy that you have to use going for takedowns. As a striker you're gonna feel like the grapplers have a rule advantage with the fact that you're not even allowed to strike with your full arsenal. I mean Demetrius Johnson got knocked out with a knee while he was trying to grapple in one championship because they allow knees to head on a downed opponent. But as you said, without a bell to save you from some of these takedowns that you're not fighting to get back off the ground from. What are those fighters gonna do then ? PS. I'd love to hear people's thoughts and opinions on this if anyone's got anything to add or challenge in this.

@katokianimation

Жыл бұрын

It's favors wrestling and the standing game. Only slow and technical submission grappling suffers from this round structure. You have to quickly throw some reckless elbows and haymakers to score points with the risk of them slipping away. But for wrestling the 5 minutes round is perfect. You have time to take them down and you have a little break. And probably this is on purpose. People want to see a kick-box match with takedowns and g&d. They don't want to watch them hugging on the floor for 10 minutes fighting from two guy sitting on each others leg, to two guy sitting on each others leg slightly differently wich really matters according to a bjj nerd. Instead of fuck i don't care if the position isn't secure enugh i have to run for the submission because the clock is ticking

If a 12-6 elbow is illegal but any other angle is OK has anyone actually got away with doing for example a 11-5 elbow or a 1-7 elbow? Or does the angle of the strike have to be dramatically different for it to be counted as anything other than being 12-6?

@RamseyDewey

Жыл бұрын

It’s got to be different enough to convince a referee that it’s not a 12-6 elbow.

Mma rules will always be discussed among mma fans but I do think that they are not that bad. What Ramsey is looking for are rules for a "perfect fight", as close as a "real fight" can be. But when we watch mma, we are not really watching a fight, we are watching a sport. It is not only about fighting, it is also about entertainment, fair competition, tv logistic, ritualisation, creating a fan community, and so on. For exemple, who does not appreciate an athlete's comeback after a strong speech from his coach after a disputed round, even if this make no sens when it comes to pure fighting? Also rules are the same for everyone , so wreslers can vert well change their game and include more striking if it is more efficient due to those rules... which is not really what is happening in mma. Agree on the 12/6 elbow though

I stand to be corrected, but I’m pretty sure an 8 count is when a fighter gets held up by the ropes when they would otherwise have been knocked down. A normal knockdown receives a 10 count.

@RamseyDewey

Жыл бұрын

No. The standing 8 count is an anticipated rule that was abandoned by most boxing organizations in 1993 (some kickboxing shows still use it though) where the referee had the liberty to stop the action when it otherwise would have ended in a TKO, abs give the losing fighter 8 seconds to recover. It had nothing to do with being held up by the ropes. It was a very stupid rule, and it ruined a lot of fights.

@lambchop83

Жыл бұрын

@@RamseyDewey I don’t know the history of the rule but I mentioned it because I remember Povetkin getting a standing 8 count against David Price - I could be remembering this wrong. I’ve had a brief read just now and from what I can see, there are still a few places/organisations that use it. *ive just rewatched it and the count happens right at the end of the round so it may just have been a 10 count and the commentator didn’t know the rules.

I don't want to watch holding whether it's standing or on the ground

I still remember your first rounds and gloves kill fighters and then looked into it and yeah it dose . However if I ever get rich enough too have my own island I’ll bring back no rules fights and different combat arenas .