This is why nobody can ever plumb the depth of the Gospel, it just gets More Glorious every time we hear it! 🙏🏼

@loganross1861

5 жыл бұрын

Especially if you lead people away from the gospel over and over.

@ethanbolen4425

5 жыл бұрын

@@loganross1861 what does that have to do with anything

@loganross1861

5 жыл бұрын

Ethan Bolen, the sermon talks about how the “Gospel Centered” preaching movement tends to and has dissuaded obedience and works. Piper starts out by acknowledging it, Saying that it goes wrong, and that the Gospel is also about Holy Spirit driven works and obedience (not for salvation, but called for nonetheless). So the gospel piper is pushing forward is so awesome, especially when you get pulled away from and reintroduced to it by “gospel centered” preaching over and over. I’ve seen it first hand, was dissuaded from a desire for works and obedience (not for salvation) but because i was excited about my salvation and Jesus and wanted to do more. I was dissuaded as though I was confused about the Gospel. I was not “Gospel Centered” and trusting in the freedom from the law or whatever. Then later they start to flip back to the actual Gospel which never changed in the first place they were just puffed up kind of like the Corinthians. I’m kind of frustrated, if you couldn’t tell. It’s like joining a gym to get in shape because someone saved your life and wanted you to take care of your body, but when you show up at the gym they discourage you from working out or “trying to earn” your physical fitness with diet and exercise. It’s their gym so you assimilate but later find out yeah that really was a retarded, wrong mindset. Became Christian in 2011 and was constantly dissuaded against pursuing righteousness, holiness, etc. now things are turning back to obedience. GOOD. But dang it thanks for the cognitive dissonance and time wasting and gas lighting all those years 🤦‍♂️.

@ReadRomans10

5 жыл бұрын

Logan Ross well said!

@loganross1861

5 жыл бұрын

Read Romans 10: 9-14 thank you the situation is otherwise very discouraging these days.

When he spoke of Christ’s hospitality, it really moved my spirit. I need to grow big time in that area. And im not talking about simply letting people into my home. It’s about welcoming others into the goodness of God

Simple correction in 0:57 - 1 Peter 2.24 God bless you all

@underestimatedgiraffe6249

5 жыл бұрын

I was trying to figure out how this was somehow the greatest translation difference ever witnessed. Thanks!

@dr.pawankumararyan4892

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks for correction, as I w listen I jumped to 1 Pet 1:24, Disappointed and became hopeless. You kindled the hope..

Awesome! A preacher preaching against sin. Make me want to get my shout on

Some people are going to call Piper a heretic after this, when this is actually the gospel. My goodness - that title to this clip was brave. Desiring God has done a good thing here.

@ArugaPH

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah starting to think he is.

@imdilyn

3 жыл бұрын

@@ArugaPH fr

@dmuller7601

3 жыл бұрын

Gal 2:16

@poppyozark

2 жыл бұрын

Christ died to purchase the Spirit? Around the middle of the 6:00 mark.... I'm struggling with this one

@StrivingMen

Жыл бұрын

@@poppyozark I would think he means to say that Christ die to purchase us , and with it we have the right to receive the Spirit. I think everything we have is contingent upon the fact that we have being redeemed.

"The cross can be diminished by highlighting the cross alone."

@ArugaPH

3 жыл бұрын

Says who? Satan?

help us to listen and apply this to our lives Lord

If that’s all you think is that Jesus came to give his life for our sins your only getting part of the gospel. The gospel is repentance, the Kingdom of God, and Jesus.

This is mind blowing 😮

Again ! Thanks to Jesus a lot for this, Amen !

Thank God for the work of God in John.The vital truth that is the heart of Christianity: the power to be Godly

First is Justification then Sanctification.

Thanks to Jesus for this, A LOT ! Amen !

WOW! Thank you...Amen! 💗

Very good teaching.Very fundamental too.God bless him.Thank God for him.

I SO appreciate these points. Thank you John Piper. I really agree that amazingly we can go too far into those things. Missing the more often made emphasis of scripture.

Ephesians 2:8-9 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast. We can do nothing to add to salvation...Jesus perfect blood sacrifice paid it all...our righteousness is for rewards in Heaven...not to keep our salvation from leaving us .

@HotelCharliHill

5 жыл бұрын

Of course. But if we cannot submit to God and exhibit any of that holiness or righteousness because we're a slave to sin, then we aren't born again. It is an amazing work of the Spirit of God within a man to transform him. The whole New Testament must be read together, not piece meal. Read Ephesians 2 verse 10....

@pfrodigal

5 жыл бұрын

Eph. 2: 10 For we are God’s workmanship, created in Christ Jesus to DO GOOD WORKS, which God prepared in advance for us to do.

@scubaguy1989

5 жыл бұрын

Ryan Jackson No way Ryan, Paul writes about making sure to finish the race, which means that some who start don’t finish. Galatians 5, live like that and you won’t make heaven. You can’t earn your way in, but it doesn’t follow from that that you can’t discount yourself with unrepentant habitual sin ... the “practice” of sin as Paul puts it. The price of salvation is too high for our works to pay, but God’s grace is nonetheless ‘conditional’ on our repentance (that doesn’t mean repentance earns it)

@MrRyjax99

5 жыл бұрын

@@pfrodigal good works are created in advance for us to do because we love our God, NOT for our salvation

@MrRyjax99

5 жыл бұрын

@@HotelCharliHill I'm pretty certain you still sin...even Paul admitted that he still sinned. You cannot lose your salvation, only the rewards that God has for you for doing the good work.

Amazing! I am so blessed to have been able to hear this wonderful message

Preach it now that's true word and obedience ty💪💪💪💪💯🙏😇

Please pry for me so that i can Love God from my heart

@Festusband

5 жыл бұрын

You have the spirit of God bringing conviction and hunger for a deeper richer walk with Him. But to know Him, to know our sin and desperate need of salvation and to know what He did for us on the cross, is to love Him. Offering back to Him what He’s given to us and revealed to us of His character and attributes... is worship. He loved us and put this love on our hearts to love Him. We thank you Lord for changing the disposition of our hearts to follow after you. Your grace alone. I pray dear Heavenly Father we come before you through our Lord Jesus that you reveal yourself to us in a life changing way. Open our eyes, ears and heart to see you as you are. To know and walk in your truth all for the glory of God. Anen

@coveredinblood827

5 жыл бұрын

@@Festusband amen couldnt have Put it better. Thanks For the Time and effort. Apprechiate IT. Be blessed in Jesus Name you and all your family

@Festusband

5 жыл бұрын

CoVeReD iN bLoOd thank you

@HenT8991

5 жыл бұрын

+CoVeReD iN bLoOd May I add unto what has been said. You know there's the saying before you can run you need to learn how to walk first. Start at the source of all that is good and love, which is God. Before you can do anything answer this question "Do I truly know how much God loves me?" Do you know that God loved you first even while you were a sinner, an enemy of God? Is it just words to you, or is it something you trust, something that is a reality for you where you can go to sleep knowing you are right with God and that he truly loves you as your very Good Father? If you don't like your answer search the scripture of God's love/charity. To start with look up John 3, 1 John 4:10, Romans 8, 1 Cor 13, and 2nd Samuel 9. Grace, Peace, and Mercy to you in our loving God and Savior Christ Jesus.

@coveredinblood827

5 жыл бұрын

@@HenT8991 Thank you too be blessed in Jesus Name you and all Your family... I will ASK God to reveal that to me If i havent got that yet. Thanks

This is really huge.

Please pray for me to find more joy in God. I see how joyful people like Piper gets when talking about Jesus, but i struggle with it

@ernievanboven4396

5 жыл бұрын

You are not alone Matthew Keith. Unfortunately, Piper's focus on joy comes from his "Christian hedonism" which is an unbiblical doctrine founded upon a twisting of the catechism Q and A, and scripture out of context. True joy is found in resting in the Gospel of Jesus Christ and what he has done for you. I know Piper comes across almost like a guilt trip if you don't have the "joy" and "desire" and "passion" etc that he has, yet Piper gives no assurance of salvation, because his doctrine of salvation includes God judging your works on the last day, instead of Christ's works in your place. If you have no assurance of salvation because of Christ's work alone, then how can you have joy? Piper is a mess of confusion. It is very sad. As a pastor, I have spent countless hours counseling people who are disciples of this man, and straightening out the false ideas of salvation and sanctification. So please don't feel bad.

@HotelCharliHill

5 жыл бұрын

@@ernievanboven4396 "Faith without works is dead as the body without the spirit is dead." Don't give people false assurances. Your kind has killed the church and led it into apostasy.

@ernievanboven4396

5 жыл бұрын

@@HotelCharliHill Umm...yup. Totally agree with James, just don't agree with Piper's twisting of the catechism, which is obvious and documented, and with all the scripture he rips out of context to force his "Christian" hedonism upon the church. As a shepherd, I have had to deal with too many Christians who have been totally screwed up by his false teachings. Biblical sanctification is so much better than Piper's new ideas.

@HotelCharliHill

5 жыл бұрын

@@ernievanboven4396 What Piper teaches about sanctification is plainly laid out by the apostles and CHRIST HIMSELF. Why do you think Jesus said "The path is narrow and it is difficult!" Most professing Christians want it easy, to "do as thou wilt" and be their own gods. John has a good grasp of this. The only thing I find disagreeable about his positions is that he doesn't see the covenant with the remnant of Israel so plainly spoken of in the New Testament (ie: Romans, Revelation, etc), but that's not what we're talking about. Too many of the "christians" you counsel don't have joy, not because of teaching like this but because they do not have God in them and are slaves to their own sin. To live that life is an empty and painful guilt-ridden existence. They aren't saved.

@AnHebrewChild

4 жыл бұрын

I used to follow Piper - Early 2000s as a young Christian. I'm glad I no longer do. Thankful to God for freeing me. "My sheep hear my voice and they know me and follow me, and a stranger will they not follow, for they know not the voice of strangers." If you compare Piper's book "Future Grace" to his "Future of Justification" or "Counted Righteous," you will see how his articulation of the Gospel is flawed, and as one commenter said "a mess of confusion." He often contradicts himself from book to book, from sermon to sermon, and sometimes even within the same sermon. Christian Hedonism? Better to stick to the Word and what the Word actually says. Don't waste your life? I wasted hours of mine listening to *hundreds* of this man's sermons; whereas I could have been listening to the audio bible. I read a dozen or so of this man's books; I could have been reading the Book of Books.

Thank you, Sir

I just love this particular sermon of dear Pastor John Piper... Thank you pastor. Korean church REALLY REALLY needs to hear this!

Bottom line: when "Christ-centered" preaching is no longer apostolic preaching, it ain't Christ-centered. Dear church, don't settle for a truncated view of the gospel. Jesus is so much more than our justification!

This was a good one!

Jesus bless you

So true ! The Lord Himself showed me that through His Word many years ago. Unfortunately many christians don't want to hear it

Grace has two definitions. We often hear the first definition but not the second: 1. Grace = unmerited favor. 2. Grace = the divine influince upon the heart and its reflection in the life. We need to preach them both because their two halves of one gospel.

@clandestine792

5 жыл бұрын

the divine influence upon the heart and its reflection in the life is called GRACE. What a powerful and meaningful definition!!

@arcanum3882

10 ай бұрын

@@therighteousnessofgodinchr2530is it?

True 💯🔥🔥❤️

....watching this for the second time

I was waiting for him to reference Psalm 119 where David spends a lot of time and ink telling us how wonderful God's commands, statutes, laws, etc. are; but then I realized for the extent of this video he was focusing only on the New Testament.

Messiah said this how many times? "I have not come to abolish the Torah but to fulfill it." Celebrating the weekly Sabbath is VERY important! Paul & the rest never stopped the Sabbath after Messiah was crucified.

We can't uphold the Ten commandments. 100s more....... Thank Jesus for his saving grace and mercy. Romans 7:15-20. God bless.

@Spikenard777

10 ай бұрын

Holy Spirit’s work is to convict us of our sins first, give us a broken and contrite heart , then in a broken spirit we call upon the name of our Lord! And the Spirit will transform us by the power of the Word!

problem isn't only the preachers, but that the people do not read the Bibel by them selves

@1991jj

5 жыл бұрын

The church was unable to read the bible for themselves for 100s of years because of illiteracy. It was read in community. So maybe its not a problem.

@michaelharder9737

5 жыл бұрын

@@1991jj Well if you have the Bible and don't want to read it, what does that say about the state of your heart?

@1991jj

5 жыл бұрын

Michael Harder I never said not to read it. Im saying it was never that way for most of christian history. Were they still following Christ? Yes. Where they bringing kingdom to earth? Yes. Be sensitive to your own christian heritage. Youll see alot of dogmatic thinking around how we do faith are recent interpretations not neccessarily the best, right or even that helpful. Before you reply read carefully and try not to put words in the mouth of those you disagree with 👍 discussion can be more productive that way.

+Micheal M..Jesus has been the First and the Last in my Life. I first remember Him Helping me when I was six years old..then people with the bible stepped in and confused me badly. I suffered much from this for most of my life. I finally called out to Jesus. He brought me the bible He wanted me to read and He Showed me what verses that were True and Helped me understand. I am now Healed. He Saved and Freed me from mens opinions..in the bible and out. Jesus, Personally was the First..and Jesus Personally is the Last!

I just taught on the gospel this past Sunday and left out exactly what pastor John was talking about here. Huge sigh....

@HotelCharliHill

5 жыл бұрын

Don't worry, you're forgiven. Christ preached the perfect gospel for you at the cross ;) Kidding. But in all seriousness, God has helped you see the truth. He loves you, and He'll help you grow in the teaching He's called you to.

@TheOpinionatedGuitarist

5 жыл бұрын

leroypowell3 Just make that part two of your teaching!

@AChunkyDog

5 жыл бұрын

Always next Saturday, right?

@saved6655

3 жыл бұрын

@@AChunkyDog Saturday?

Wow this is amazing!

"... by only circling back to justification ..." what a terrible thing to say. terrible

The Father loves the Son. The Son loves the Father. The Holy Spirit creates love in our heart Gal 5:22. Only God gives perfect love therefore the Trinity loves perfectly. Matt 22:35-40 are commandments. They are a paraphrase from the Old Testament. We cannot love perfectly yet we are commanded to. God is immutable and therefore cannot ask anything of us that is less than perfection. We cannot meet God's demands or keep this standard. We needed grace. God provided it and therefore we operate on this basis. His commands have not changed or compromised nor could they.

+Emmanuel A..After much suffering listening to men. I discovered Matthew 6:33. I Seek Jesus FIRST. He brought me the bible to read and Helped me with every word. I marked what He Showed me. Those are the verses I read. The rest i leave alone. I now Know What to do. Jesus is my Teacher. He Saved me and Freed me from men..like you and John Piper.

@russelljokela4522

5 жыл бұрын

kathleen Wharton You only read some versus that Jesus supposedly showed you and the rest you ignore? I warn you-you may be partially led astray and deceived by demonic spirits. Test every spirit to see if they are of God. All Scripture is God-breathed and inspired by the Holy Spirit. Any spirit that says otherwise is not of God.

When we decided to accept Christ us our only way and saviour,God doesn't expect us to be a perfect a Christian.Sin regardless what they are the same and the wages of sin is death.We will never live the way Christ lived on earth,who whas sinless.Just like an an alcoholic,a drug addict the process of getting out of this pit is a process or you'll end up having withdrawals or worse end up hurting ourselves and same goes to a Christian.Tho Abraham was a sinnner,his righteouness bec of his faith in God,not by his works..There will always be a Christian out there struggling to get rid of his/her addiction and again there's no easy process to go through it...Dead to sin means,we stop treating ourselves as sinners( even if we still technically sin) but instead think that we are already righteous and children in the eyes of God bec of the blood of Christ and this doesnt mean we stop sinning..If a we lose our salvation or if God is going to use this verse against us then what happens to a Christian who hates and is full of anger and unable to forgive her/his father out of a long term abuse?..Sometimes we need to be careful and examine what they mean and how they apply with the help of the Spirit to give us the wisdom to understand the scriptures.Even Paul admits to his struggles--->“I am of the flesh, sold into slavery under sin. I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate.… I can will what is right, but I cannot do it. For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I do” (Rom 7:14-15, 19)...Thanks God by His Grace through the blood of Jesus Christ,we have been saved,bought and now become righteous and worthy to be called children of God.Remember we still l this body until Christ comes back and give us that new eternal body dont expect any Christian to live a perfect and sinless lifeThe Spirit work in us is tonhelp us walk the right way and think the right way all focused on Jesus and again its going to be a long journey until Christ's comes back to redeem us from this body.God Bless us all!

Please watch these videos

John Piper is your preachers favorite preacher.

So what does 1 John 2:26-27 mean?

I dont get his message. Anyone can explain the other point simply?

@haydenhowell1647

5 жыл бұрын

Mel Oon Not only are we forgiven and justified when saved but, by His sacrifice, we also now have the ability to live differently (sanctification) He’s saying there is always focus on the first part (justification forgiveness) but the gospel is two fold because afterwards we get to walk in freedom and follow His commands which are joy-producing

I respect and truly admire his knowledge and preaching skills, contents and clarity. But I don’t know if its just me, every time I hear him- he left in me is a certain feeling of discouragement because somewhat he has this defensive premise and assumptions that listeners are all wrong and need to always be castigated. All due respect to him, but If I attend his church for sure I will go home head low and discouraged because nothing-no no nothing will ever be enough for him. Whether you’re doing your best to serve- no you’re still nothing. Not until you exceed or on par that of apostle Paul’s track records- no you’re not worthy and not enough- that is the feeling I am getting from his teaching. There are good ones of course lol 😂 It just bothers me that there’s always this “in your face inadequacy” resounding overtones in his sermon style.

@sarahxDjiggzz

5 жыл бұрын

I understand what you mean, and sometimes I feel the same way when I listen to John Piper. I think sometimes he highlights "works" in a way that makes us feel as though we need to follow those commandments in order to be right with God. Jesus says "If you love Me you will keep my commandments" not "If you keep My commandments then you love me." It seems the same but it is very different. In the true Word, love for Christ is first and because we have a sincere and true love for Christ we WANT to keep His commandments. Yes we fail at times, and it is not a license to sin willingly, but if we've truly had a heart change our love for our Father causes us to want to honor him in every way. Which makes us turn from sin. The way John Piper describes it sounds more like the second phrase "If you keep my commandments then you love Me." This is work based in hopes that if we do enough good then that will be good enough to show God we love him. That is just not scripture. Those who are born again have had a heart change. Sin hurts us now because it hurts our Father. When we sin now it is a tool to show us that we are drifting from our Precious Lord and to turn back to God. Like a child who gets too close to the cliff and gets scared and runs back to his/her father. We are to run back to our Father when we sin. May our Lord Jesus Christ bless you and always give you peace and clarity.

@ernievanboven4396

4 жыл бұрын

@@sarahxDjiggzz John Piper teaches an "initial justification by faith alone" that doesn't get one into heaven. To get into heaven he says, our works have to be taken into account judicially on judgement day. It is a false gospel which keeps believes of it on pins and needles, not knowing if they have enough "fruit" to prove the authenticity of their faith. JP says that on the last day, we will be saved, "through that fruit and that faith". If I am saved "through my fruit" in any way, I have no hope. On the last day, Christ's righteousness imputed to my account through faith alone is the only fruit that will save me. Does a believer produce fruit? Of course, but that is not what gets me into heaven. JP is a false teacher and keeps people in bondage just like Roman Catholicism. It is very sad. But be encouraged Sarah, and trust in Christ's righteousness alone, for in Him you were created for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them.

@sarahxDjiggzz

4 жыл бұрын

@@ernievanboven4396 thank you, Ernie. God bless you, brother.

@charliespleen

Жыл бұрын

I think there's a way in which someone can misunderstand. Out of all the preachers I've ever listened to, he's the one who highlights the most the importance of being joyful in the Lord (The joy of the Lord is my strength) and that joy comes through obedience of God's law, which you can't do if you're not delighting in God to begin with. His preaching isn't that you're insufficient, and in this clip, he pretty much says the Gospel is so much more than just getting eternal life at the end, but a constant and ever present satisfaction in God that leads to increased obedience in the power of the Holy Spirit. It's less, "I gotta do these things for God cause I'm inadequate" and more "I wanna do these things for God because I love doing them because He purchased my ability to not only do them but also to love them"

How do we love our enemies?

@HenT8991

5 жыл бұрын

I'd say just start off learning how much God loves you. May I suggest reading 2nd Samuel 9 with the idea in your head that you are Mephibosheth the grandson of David's former enemy Saul? I'd love to hear your thoughts from reading it.

Zack, Matthew 22:35-40/ Mark 12:28-34/ Romans 3:24-25/ Deuteronomy 6:4-5 Good idea to read all of Romans 3 but look at verse 20 as well/ no deeds of the flesh. Law exposes our sin. Then the law is established. We do not operate under law. We operate under God’s grace. If we try to follow the law perfectly we will and have failed. God brought about a new covenant. Luke 22:20. Old covenant was a bilateral agreement that God had with the Israelites. Jeremiah 31:31, 33. In response to Old Covenant see Hebrews chapter 7....12

Romans 8

@fulllifeministry4766

5 жыл бұрын

Romans 8 is a beautiful statement of justification. There are other scriptures in the bible beyond Romans 8 though. That is the point of Pipers message. Everyone just dwells on their justification. God does more than that. He empowers a life of sanctification that is realised.

Can someone tell me what commandments he is talking about? Its not just the 10 commandments cuz he said hundreds. sorry for being so simple and not know x.x

@gloriaalfonsinautrera-guti8808

5 жыл бұрын

Allí te comandments un té new testamento. GBY

@Fireangelo3

5 жыл бұрын

@@gloriaalfonsinautrera-guti8808 English?

@ronda5511

5 жыл бұрын

Hey, Angelo. Not simple at all. I completely understand. I had to start reading the Bible with a sensitivity to figure out when God was giving us a command or giving us a promise etc. So I hope this helps. When the disciples are with Jesus he often will say to them things like God seeks mercy. Therefore the command is to be merciful. Or he will say have faith like little children for the kingdom belongs to such as these. He is commanding us to have that kind of faith. Or faith as a mustard seed can cast mountains into the sea. Command to believe. A little faith in our God according to his will accomplishes much. Also many commands are scattered throughout the old testament and then brought up in the Epistles. For instance John Piper brings up grumbling. Not exactly pointedly laid out in the ten Commandments but by example God kills thousands in the desert for grumbling and murmuring. Paul brings it up in one of his letters in the New Testament ( can't remember which one). By reading the Bible searching for the commands they start to pop out to you and you realize God is saying my beloved children walk this way by my Spirit. I hope this helps a bit. Pray when reading and God will show you. He loves to download us with wisdom.

@gloriaalfonsinautrera-guti8808

5 жыл бұрын

@@Fireangelo3 sorry about that

@sojou.RN.

5 жыл бұрын

God’s warning against grumbling from the Old Testament which is prevalent throughout the books of Exodus and Numbers is reiterated as a command in the New Testament in 1 Corinthians 10:1-14, as mentioned above. It is also addressed at least twice more in Philippians 2:14 and James 5:9.

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This is a confusion of law and gospel. 1 Peter 2:24 is saying something akin to Pauls argument in Romans 6. We died perfectly 100% to sin WITH Christ. We live perfectly unto righteousness - Jesus', not ours (cf. Philip 3:9, 2 Corinthians 5:21, 1 Corinthians 1:30).

@JonathanGrandt

5 жыл бұрын

Jason Thompson I have so many things to say about this ridiculous message from Piper. I don’t even know where to start. How about the fact that he doesn’t quote all of the verse he wrongly uses and leaves out “by His wounds you are healed.” Well geez, Piper! You totally misunderstood the point of the verse. But remember, Calvinism and context never go hand in hand. He was proof texting his ideology. Calvinists believe they have the authority to use scripture out of context to make their point.

@michaelm254

5 жыл бұрын

@@JonathanGrandt Psalms Chapter 119 תְּהִלִּים 115 Depart from me, ye evildoers; that I may keep the commandments of my God. 124 Deal with Thy servant according unto Thy mercy, and teach me Thy statutes. 126 It is time for YHVH to work; they have made void Thy law. 127 Therefore I love Thy commandments above gold, yea, above fine gold 135 Make Thy face to shine upon Thy servant; and teach me Thy statutes. 151 Thou art nigh, O LORD; and all Thy commandments are truth. 155 Salvation is far from the wicked; for they seek not Thy statutes. 163 I hate and abhor falsehood; Thy law do I love. Colossians 3:16 “Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.” nouqetountes nouthetountes G3560 vp Pres Act Nom Pl m admonishING Strong's Greek Lexicon Search Results Result of search for "3560": 3560. noutheteo noo-thet-eh'-o from the same as 3559; to put in mind, i.e. (by implication) to caution or reprove gently:--admonish, warn. Strong's Greek Lexicon Search Results Result of search for "3559": 3559. nouthesia noo-thes-ee'-ah from 3563 and a derivative of 5087; calling attention to, i.e. (by implication) mild rebuke or warning:--admonition. Proverbs 28:9 “He that turneth away his ear from hearing the law, even his prayer shall be abomination.” I pray that this is a Blessing Bless you

@michaelm254

5 жыл бұрын

Acts 13:29 “And when they had fulfilled all that was written of him, they took him down from the tree, and laid him in a sepulchre.” Luke 24:44 “And he said unto them, These arethe words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, ………………concerning me.” ……………………. He does not say that all that Moses wrote was fulfilled…….. Just what Moses had written about And the prophets And what is in the psalms About ……… ………….. Aleph Tav……………….. Deuteronomy 19:15 “One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth: at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall the matter be established.” 2 Corinthians 13:1 “This is the third time I am coming to you. In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established.” Matthew 18:16 “But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.” I have two witnesses on what is ………. Fulfilled ……… Bless you

@HotelCharliHill

5 жыл бұрын

@@michaelm254 I gotta say, this would be a greater blessing if it didn't have such massive gaps between lines. It's like you copy-pasted this off a badly formatted website or our of a saved document you have on your computer. Other than that, it is a good word. People HATE that Jesus said "The way is narrow and DIFFICULT" so they curse teachers like John Piper. How sad.

@michaelm254

5 жыл бұрын

Hotel CharliHill Bless you Some times we have to look at One word at a time so we can Hear what He is saying. Bless you

+Russell Jokela..Thank you for your comment and concern. When I Ask for Jesus..I am Not given a stone. That is His promise. And when you Ask for Jesus Alone..you get the Truth. The bible is not Gods Word. It is the words of men..and Jesus shows you which words are True. Jesus Never said the bible was Gods Word. That was Paul who said that and he is a man..a murdering Pharisee who had to be knocked off his horse and made blind..and still did not see. Paul did Not teach what Jesus taught. Jesus taught His Revelation to each and every person who Seeks Him. There is no need for an apostle. Paul's definition of church is a body of men with titles and a Hiearchy. That is Not Jesus Teaching. Paul went back to Pharisee crap..and Christians believe Paul and throw Jesus under the bus. Why? when I can go direct to Jesus and get the Truth..would I ever go back to listening to men again? Jesus said..it would be like a "dog going back to its vomit." which is what Christians have done. I will Stay with Jesus..Thank you.

Que duele a usted

I incorporate evangelical Gospel-Centered message in every sermon I preach and after people come forward to receive Christ, they are followed up on, discipled and taught going forward. Just because Piper's version of "Gospel-Centered" preaching does not include what he thinks it should does not give him the right so arrogantly mock others. And if he is going to use references like "It's like 99% of the time..." then he needs to back that statement up with references to the messages he is talking about. Without knowing the context and content of those messages he's just blowing smoke. There is a lot more to the New Testament and there is a time and place for every message and teaching in it and it is not Piper's place to judge what God laid upon another minister to share.

@charliespleen

Жыл бұрын

All he's saying is that it needs to be presented together fully at all times. Presenting a half Gospel gives people the wrong idea about what it means to be saved.

The gospel is the GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM! Jesus is going to return and set up the kingdom of God ON THE EARTH! God’s government ON THE EARTH! God resurrected the Messiah! The Messiah will resurrect his people! The destiny of the Messiah and his people is to be ON THE EARTH! The renewed restored earth! God also dwelling with them! Rev 21 Matt 24 14 And this gospel of the kingdom will be proclaimed throughout the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come. Jesus said the Father is the only true God! John 17 3 And this is eternal life, that they know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.

People preach about forgiveness more than new testament commands because it's tough to get excited about adding more rules. When people think of "the good news" few of them immediately think of new commandments, they think of John 3:16.

@HenT8991

5 жыл бұрын

Rules tend to give people some standard of righteousness that they think they can achieve. What they don't realize is that their works(the best of their works) is as filthy rags to God. Also the strength of sin is the law. You tell someone not to do something they'll have the urge to do it more than if you had said nothing. Thank God all we have to do to have Eternal Life is just trust Jesus to have sacrificed himself as payment for our sins and that we've been justified!(Cant say it enough) And after we've already been saved He gives us good works already prepared, to walk in for rewards in heaven. And don't be worried about loving each other as Jesus loves us because 1)We simply can't love the way God loves us. His is absolutely limitless and undeserved or unearned. 2)With God residing in us it is His Love that springs up in us, not our own. 3)When you understand Grace and just how deeply God loves you no matter what you do, then I would wager you'll begin to grow into maturity in The Lord.

PART WAYS WITH THAT DEVIL RICK WARREN

Confusing title lol

Christ died to purchase your obedience to hundreds of commands! Is this guy serious? Christ died so that we could be forgiven our sins. The Gospel is the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of our sins. We read the Gospel in 1 Corinthians 15:1-4.

Hundreds of commandments? Hundreds? List them! Site them! All “hundreds” of them. Here’s a “list” for you. (Acts 15:29). 1. Abstain from meats offered to idols. 2) and from blood, 3) and from things strangled, 4) and from fornication: from which he keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well. These preachers are so full of themselves. Or, hows this: “thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like unto it, thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these TWO commandments hang ALL the law and the prophets”. Preaching the gospel of Jesus Christ and teaching the Bible is bad for the business of “churches”.

@fulllifeministry4766

5 жыл бұрын

Yes “all” so Jesus doesn’t come to aboish the law, he comes to fulfill it. Those two commands to love God and others don’t negate the law if “all” the law “hangs” on them.

@jeffsherwood5259

5 жыл бұрын

Jesus fulfilled the law. “But if ye be led by the Spirit, ye are not under the law.”

Satan is speaking thur you with 1/2 truths using bait and switch

What is this old man talk about? Did he understand the bible?

Jesus IS the Gospel. He is ALL you need. If you Seek HIM and HIS Righteousness..you will Never have to be confused by mens opinions (like this one) again. The Only mistakes I ever made in my life was listening to men like this one. I Stay Close to Jesus. He is the Only Safe Place.

@2pe318

5 жыл бұрын

I have seen your comment now on multiple short videos. Are you suggesting that Christians should not submit themselves to one another as one body? Jesus commands that we not give up on meeting with one another. Paul says in Corinthians to seek to build up the church through teaching, preaching, prophesying, etc....

@TxMeme

5 жыл бұрын

kathleen Wharton if listening to these “ type of man “ has been your only mistakes in life, it sounds like you have lived an almost perfect life. Are you sure you need Jesus Christ at all ?... How do you even know the entity you are walking closed to is Jesus, the God of the Universe? With out the Bible and everything it’s says, including the God given commandments that reveal so much of God himself, you wouldn’t know Jesus if he knocked you off your horse.

@ifacedownworship

5 жыл бұрын

I understand what you mean by *Jesus IS the Gospel.* I wholly agree with you on that. If you believe you have been misguided by some (including John Piper), please let me know how. What specific things did they present the Gospel in a wrong way? Kindly let me know and let us have a talk about it in a modest and loving Christ-centered way. Let me know thru my email ifacedownworship@gmail.com Thank you!

@michaelm254

5 жыл бұрын

𐤀𐤕 / אֵת / Aleph Tav / Alpha Omega the first and the last the beginning and the ending From Genesis 1:1 to Revelation 22:13 In the Tanakh……… The 𐤀𐤕 is in Genesis 668 times. In Exodus 651 times. In Leviticus 429 times. In Numbers 439 times. In Deuteronomy 435 times. In Joshua 320 times. In Judges 310 times. In Ruth 39 times. In 1 Samuel 408 times. In 2 Samuel 339 times. In 1 Kings 425 times. In 2 Kings 390 times. In 1 Chronicles 284 times. In 2 Chronicles 367 times. In Ezra 23 times. In Nehemiah 94 times. In Esther 75 times. In Job 30 times. In Psalms 139 times. In Proverbs 25 times. In Ecclesiastes 70 times. In Isaiah 167 times. In Jeremiah 533 times. In Lamentations 6 times. In Ezekiel 387 times. In Daniel 37 times. In Hosea 36 times. In Joel 12 times. In Amos 35 times. In Obadiah 8 times. In Jonah 12 times. In Micah 12 times. In Habakkuk 4 times. In Zephaniah 16 times. In Haggai 9 times. In Zechariah 85 times. In Malachi 19 times. Total of 7326 times in the Scriptures. John 1:1 and 1:14 He is the living Alphabet 𐤉𐤄𐤅𐤄 's Alphabet Isaiah 46:10 “Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:” That was in the beginning ……… GENESIS 1: א בְּרֵאשִׁית, בָּרָא אֱלֹהִים, אֵת הַשָּׁמַיִם, וְאֵת הָאָרֶץ אֵת / 𐤀𐤕 / Alpha and Omega Is in the middle of Genesis 1:1 Hebrew or Greek He is still the First and the Last Revelation 1:8 “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.” Revelation 1:11 “Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.” Revelation 1:17 “And when I saw him, I fell at his feet as dead. And he laid his right hand upon me, saying unto me, Fear not; I am the first and the last:” Revelation 2:8 “And unto the angel of the church in Smyrna write; These things saith the first and the last, which was dead, and is alive;” Revelation 21:6 “And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.” Revelation 22:13 “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.” Aleph is Infinite Eternal Omnipotent One who causes to exist Tav is Absolute Enacted Ratified Commissioned To be enforced without compromise Covenant I pray that this is a blessing. bless you All glory to 𐤉𐤄𐤅𐤔𐤏𐤟𐤌𐤔𐤉𐤇 YAHUSHUA haMashiach 𐤉𐤄𐤅𐤄 YHVH 𐤀𐤕 Aleph Tav 𐤀𐤌𐤍 Amein

According to the Hebrew Scriptures not the English Bible. Many are called few are chosen to understand what you are about to read. Here is how subtle and crafty your adversary really is. Genesis 3:1 Now the serpent was more subtle and crafty than any beast of the field which Father YAHweh had made. And he said to the woman; Has YAHweh indeed said: You shall not eat of every tree of the garden? God is only a misleading TITLE not a name! Proverbs 30:4 Who has ascended into heaven, or descended? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has bound up the waters in His garment? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is His Name? And what is the Name of His Son? Tell me, if you know! "How can we know that Satan is the God of this world (2 Corinthians 4:4)?" Answer: The phrase “God of this world” (or “god of this age”) indicates that Satan is the major influence on the ideals, opinions, goals, hopes and views of the majority of people. His influence also encompasses the world’s philosophies, education, and commerce. The thoughts, ideas, speculations and ALL religions of the world are under his control and have sprung from his lies and deceptions. Satan is also called the "prince of the power of the air" in Ephesians 2:2. He is the "ruler of this world" in YAHchanan (John) 12:31. These titles and many more signify Satan’s capabilities. To say, for example, that Satan is the "prince of the power of the air" is to signify that in some way he rules over the world and the people in it. This is not to say that he rules the world completely; Father YAHweh is still sovereign. But it does mean that Father YAHweh, in His infinite wisdom, has allowed Satan to operate in this world within the boundaries Father YAHweh has set for him. When the Scriptures says Satan has power over the world, we must remember that Father YAHweh has given him domain over "unbelievers". True believers that are called out of the STRONG DELUSION ( 2 Thess. 2:1-11 ) are no longer under the rule of Satan the father of lies YAHchanan ( John ) 8:44 ) (Colossians 1:13). ALL unbelievers, on the other hand, are caught "in the snare of the devil" (2 Timothy 2:26), and lie in the and under the control of "power of the evil one" (1 YAHchanan (John 5:19), and are in bondage to Satan (Ephesians 2:2). 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11 tells us Satan has a STRONG DELUSION for those who love lies more than the truth, so Father YAHweh allows Satan to deceive those people with a religious delusion. They really believe the religion they joined or that they are a part of is the right "religion". That is a very subtle way to deceive. ( Genesis 3:1-5 ) So, when the Scriptures says that Satan is the "God of this world," it is not saying that he has ultimate authority. It is conveying the idea that Satan rules over the unbelieving world in a specific way. In 2 Corinthians 4:4, the unbeliever follows Satan's agenda: "The God of this world has blinded the minds of ALL unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the message of the glory of Father YAHweh's resurrected Son and our Messiah." Satan's scheme includes promoting false philosophies in the world-philosophies that blind the unbeliever to the truth of the message. ( 2 Cor. 5:18-21 ) Satan’s philosophies are the fortresses in which people are imprisoned, and they must be set free by Father YAHweh's Son YAHWEHSHUA the resurrected Hebrew Messiah. An example of one such false philosophy is the belief that man can earn Father YAHweh's mercy by a certain act or acts. In almost every false religion, meriting Father YAHweh’s mercy or earning eternal life is a predominant theme. Earning salvation by works, however, is contrary to the revelation found in the Hebrew Scriptures. Man cannot work to earn Father YAHweh's mercy; eternal life is a free gift (see Ephesians 2:8-9). And that free gift is available through Father YAHweh's Son and Him ALONE ! YAHchanana (John) 3:16; 14:6). You may ask why mankind does not simply receive the free gift of salvation (John 1:12). The answer is that Satan-the God of this world-has tempted mankind to follow his PRIDE instead. Satan sets the agenda, ALL the unbelieving world follows, and mankind continues to be deceived. It is no wonder that Scripture calls Satan a liar (John 8:44) And the father of ALL lies? Satan the God of this world has deceived man with the many man made religions based on the traditions of men, religious men love lies more than the TRUTH. Every church house is built to worship the very being that has deceived them. That is how subtle your adversary is, you don't know what you are worshiping. You miss the warning back in Genesis 3:1-5 and you do not believe Revelation 12:9 or 2 Corinthians 4:4. Most folks will die trusting that God will save them. WAKE UP. Acts 4:12 really does mean what it says. Acts 4: 11-12 11 This is the stone which was rejected by you, the builders, which has become the Head stone of the corner, 12 Neither is there salvation in any other, for there is NO OTHER NAME under heaven given among men by which we must be saved. facebook.com/Hallelu-YAHWEHSHUA-560548060673707/?ref=settings

Brethren, please listen. No one's Blood can cleanse your sins, don't be deceived by evil lies. You shall be saved by repentance and obeying Jesus' Holy Law of Love whose foundation is " Love one another and all the creatures of God. Love is the fulfilling of the Law for Love is of God and God is love. Here is the Holy Law of Love given by the Son of God. 7. AND Iesus said unto them, “Behold a new law I give unto you, which is not new but old. Even as Moses gave the Ten Commandments to Israel after the flesh, so also I give unto you the Twelve for the Kingdom of Israel after the Spirit. 8. “For who are the Israel of God? Even they of every nation and tribe who work righteousness, love mercy, and keep my commandments; these are the true Israel of God.” And standing upon his feet, Iesus spake, saying: 9. “Hear O Israel, JOVA, thy God is One; many are My seers, and My prophets. In Me all live and move, and have subsistence. 10. “Ye shall not take away the life of any creature for your pleasure, nor for your profit, nor yet torment it. 11. “Ye shall not steal the goods of any, nor gather lands and riches to yourselves, beyond your need or use. 12. “Ye shall not eat the flesh, nor drink the blood of any slaughtered creature, nor yet anything which bringeth disorder to your health or senses. 13. “Ye shall not make impure marriages, where love and health are not, nor yet corrupt yourselves, or any creature made pure by the Holy. 14. “Ye shall not bear false witness against any, nor willfully deceive any by a lie to hurt them. 15. “Ye shall not do unto others, as ye would not that others should do unto you. 16. “Ye shall worship One Eternal, the Father-Mother in Heaven, of Whom are all things, and reverence the holy Name. 17. “Ye shall revere your fathers and your mothers on earth, whose care is for you, and all the ‘Teachers of Righteousness.’ 18. “Ye shall cherish and protect the weak, and those who are oppressed, and all creatures that suffer wrong. 19. “Ye shall work with your hands the things that are good and seemly; so shalt ye eat the fruits of the earth, and live long in the land. 20. “Ye shall purify yourselves daily, and rest the Seventh Day from labour, keeping holy the Sabbaths, and the Festival of your God. 21. “Ye shall do unto others as ye would that others should do unto you.” Brethren, Blessed are they among you who will obey this Holy Law for they shall be Saved. Peace and love be with you all.

@ronaldgibson4052

5 жыл бұрын

I am a Messianic Gentile. The law was not given to the Gentiles but to the Jews, and where there is no law sin is not counted against you. Sin is the result of breaking a law. Therefore, what do I have to repent of being no law was given the Gentile? As a man the sin nature given by the fall of Adam gave death to me. But God promised a redeemer. That Redeemer was Jesus, he paid the price required for sin. I now have been restored to the Father as if sin never happened. Relationship and fellowship totally restored. Thank you Jesus! Never put the laws or the punishment of the Jews on the Gentiles as it is not theirs to carry.

@zackbeni9215

5 жыл бұрын

@@ronaldgibson4052 Brother Ronald, it hurts me to see people believing in such deadly lies. who told you you are not supposed to follow the Law? Did Jesus tell you that or Paul told you that? Ronald, what you are saying is a deadly lie. For how can Heaven dwell in the lawless and impious ones? Is that then Heaven or a den of sinners? Ronald listen. Read Matthew 5:17-19 and see what Jesus says about the Law. Not even a jot shall be removed from it. And those who break one of the least commandments shall be called the least in the Kingdom. Furthermore, read 1 John 2:4, He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a iar and the Truth is not in him. Beloved of Christ, please listen. Jesus was not blood sacrifice for atonement of your sins. That is a lie from Satan. you shall Only be saved by repentance and amending your ways to Jesus' Holy Law of Love whose foundation is " Love one another and all the creatures of God. Love is the fulfilling of the Law for love is of God and God is Love." Ronald, I assure you that those who don't follow the Holy Will/Law of the God will be lost forever. NO one can enter the Kingdom unless he Obeys the Holy Law of Love. Peace and love.

@ngdavid3925

5 жыл бұрын

@@zackbeni9215 What Bro' Ronald posted is correct to the tee. As for your posts, they have many errors. You deny the cleansing power of the Blood of JESUS, but apostle John and Peter testified of it openly. 1Jn.1:7 1Pet.1:18-19 When you reject the TESTIMONIES of the apostles whom JESUS sent, you are rejecting CHRIST that sent them. Matt.10:40 The problem with Christian ministers today is that they do not preach according to WHAT IS WRITTEN. Even our LORD in resisting the devil 3 times, fell back on the WRITTEN WORD. If one thoroughly examines the gospel, one would understand how it works. The GOSPEL was presented in a nutshell by Paul in 3 phrases. Rom.11:36 1. Of HIM - CHRIST died FOR us so that we might be reconciled to GOD by HIS Blood Rom.5:1 2. IN HIM - CHRIST lives in us so that we have the Righteousness of GOD by FAITH Phil.3:9 This FAITH is the outcome of believing that GOD has raised JESUS from the dead. Rom.10:9-10 ; 4:25 There is a FAITH which believes in the Death of CHRIST for sins, and another FAITH which believes in the Resurrection of CHRIST for Righteousness. But preachers only preach the FAITH that comes by the Death of CHRIST and seldom or none at all preach the FAITH that comes by the Resurrection of CHRIST. There is another FAITH that comes by the GLORIFICATION of CHRIST. Since the preachers themselves experienced only the 1st FAITH, so they are able to preach this FAITH. But without themselves experiencing the 2nd FAITH and 3rd FAITH, it is not possible that they can preach Righteousness of CHRIST and the GLORY of CHRIST. 3. TO/FOR HIM - We are stewards/ministers of HIS MANIFOLD GRACE giving GLORY to GOD 1Pet.4:10-11

@zackbeni9215

5 жыл бұрын

@@ngdavid3925 Brother David, if you have not listened to what I told Ronald, you will not listen to anything I say further. Jesus was not a blood sacrifice for atonement of your sins.That is vicarious atonement and is a lie from Satan. No blood offering, of beast or bird, or man or woman, can take away or wash sin clean! For I say unto ye, how can the conscience be purified from sin by the shedding of innocent blood? Nay, it will only increase the condemnation, for it is sin against the holy law God giveth first unto Adam, Enoch and Noah. Save by repentence and amendment only, there can be no remission of sins!” Brother David, I truly feel sad for people of this generation who are ignorantly blinded by the lies of Satan and Paul. Peace and love be with you.

@ngdavid3925

5 жыл бұрын

@@zackbeni9215 You are reasoning in your own conceit. 1Jn.1:7 '........and the Blood of JESUS CHRIST HIS SON, cleanses us from all sin.' Are you not going against the words of the apostle John? Heb.9:14 'How much more shall the Blood of CHRIST, WHO through the eternal Spirit offered HIMSELF without spot to GOD, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living GOD.' It is obvious that your statement about the Blood of CHRIST contradicts the New Testament TRUTH. Our guilty and dead conscience is made clean and alive by the Blood of CHRIST. Heb.9:22 'And almost all things are by the LAW (of Sacrifice) purged with blood. And without the shedding of blood, is no REMISSION.' Heb.8:12 ; 10:17-18 '.....and their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.' We cannot formulate any doctrine of our own. We must agree and accept the WRITTEN WORD. It must be GOD's WAY, not man's way. JESUS CHRIST came to take away the SINS of the whole world. This was GOD's WAY. Jn.1:29 Matt.1:21 If you reject HIS WAY, there is no more WAY that can remove all your sins.

Once again Piper is caught out with his inconsistencies in teaching the truth of God’s Word. In this video Piper proclaims, ”Christ died to purchase your obedience to hundreds of commands.” And yet, when Piper teaches on God’s sovereignty he says, “God meticulously determined all the heinous desires and subsequent evil actions of every creature who has ever lived in such a way that they could not have done otherwise, including the rapes of children, the holocaust, slavery, torture, EVERY SINGLE EVIL THOUGHT AND EVIL INCLINATION because that was what He planned and ultimately desired to come to pass in order to bring Himself glory.” On the one hand Piper is saying that Christ died to purchase our obedience, and yet, on the other hand, he says, God meticulously determined EVERY SINGLE EVIL THOUGHT AND EVIL INCLINATION. Reformed pastors cannot avoid this unenviable situation when they attempt to teach the truth of God’s Word in the light of their shocking understanding of God’s sovereignty. How is it possible to say that Christ died to purchase our obedience, when, in fact, according to Calvinism, God determined all our evil actions?

@elitecaosuk3141

5 жыл бұрын

One is God's divine decree( that which we do not know as it is in the knowledge of God) and the other is God's prescriptive will ( that which we has instructed us to do). You don't need to put these in opposition with one another, as a believer you are entitled to do what is commanded of you. However, we acknowledge the sovereignty of God over all that goes on in creation.

@gregjay9933

5 жыл бұрын

@@elitecaosuk3141 I understand the need Calvinists have to defend their views, but at what cost! Consider for a moment what you are saying. You are claiming that God has 2 wills, or a divine decree and prescriptive will which are both contradictory. You have just made God double minded. Holy, Holy, Holy, is the Lord God Almighty. Non-Calvinists understand God’s sovereignty to mean that He has the power and authority to do whatever He wants; but He is not the cause of everything that happens. In the Lord’s Prayer Jesus said, “Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven.” God’s will is not always being done on earth in this age; however, we distinguish between what God wills and what He decrees. We believe God has decreed that man will have fee will, therefore, the evil that men perform is within the sovereignty of God. And what God decrees can never contradict what God wills - The LORD is good to all, And His mercies are over all His works.

@elitecaosuk3141

5 жыл бұрын

@@gregjay9933 Brother, I don't think you understand what I'm saying, I say this with sincerity with the unity of the body at mind. I haven't said God has two wills but rather God has one will, the two things I described above are two parts to that will based on his revelation. That which he has revealed to us and that which he has not revealed to us. Let's just look at the whole verse you have quoted, Matthew 6:10 - "Your Kingdom come, your will be done on earth as it is in heaven". I believe you will agree with me that God has decreed for his kingdom to come, yet we are still being told to pray for his kingdom to come. Some will raise the question what's the point of praying for it to come when he has already declared that it will come. This is where his divine decree and prescriptive will comes into play. Yes his kingdom coming is part of God's divine decree and will come regardless, however us praying for it to come is his prescriptive will for us to do, it is how he uses us as a means to bring it about. In regards to God's will we acknowledge that his will is being carried out and we pray that his will may be done on earth as in heaven, not assuming that it's not being done but in agreement that it is and asking that it continue. Few verses pointing at God's will being done on the earth, For I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is no one like me, declaring the end from the beginning and from ancient times things not yet done, saying, "My purpose shall stand, and I will fulfill my intention (Isaiah 46:9,10). And He does what he wills with the host of heaven and the inhabitants of the earth. There is no one who can stay his hand or say to him, "What are you doing?" (Daniel 4:35). God's will and decree can not be thwarted. We both are defending what we believe in the end of the day, otherwise we wouldn't share our opinions on the matter. Nonetheless, I can appreciate the grace of God in your life regardless of whether we disagree in this area of our theology, let us hallow the name of God in all that we do to the glory of His wonderful name.🙏🏿

@gregjay9933

5 жыл бұрын

@@elitecaosuk3141 At first I found myself agreeing with the things you spoke about but there are 2 issues I believe need to be challenged. 1 [God's will and decree can not be thwarted.] Clearly, God’s decree cannot be thwarted. One only has to glance at this world to see that God’s will is not always being accomplished. Surely you don’t believe that all the wickedness, suffering and injustices that occur in this world are God’s will. This is what I mean when I quote Matthew - God’s will is being accomplished in heaven but it is not always, as yet, being accomplished on earth. 2 One part of God’s will cannot contradict another part of His will. This is why I challenge Piper’s understanding of God’s sovereignty. Piper often introduces contradictions to, what you refer to as, two parts of God’s will. On the one hand Piper is saying that Christ died to purchase our obedience, and yet, on the other hand, he says, God meticulously determined EVERY SINGLE EVIL THOUGHT AND EVIL INCLINATION. It is this type of contradiction that I have never had satisfactorily explained.

@rolysantos

5 жыл бұрын

@@gregjay9933 "[God's will and decree can not be thwarted.] Clearly, God’s decree cannot be thwarted. One only has to glance at this world to see that God’s will is not always being accomplished. " If are saying that God's will CAN be thwarted, as evidenced by all the wickedness we see around us, then you are INcorrect; "There is no wisdom, no insight, no plan that can succeed against the LORD." Proverbs 21:30 But like Elite CAOs UK said, "One is God's divine decree( that which we do not know as it is in the knowledge of God) and the other is God's prescriptive will ( that which we has instructed us to do). " Yes, they contradict each other ONLY IN THAT MAN contradicts God's Prescriptive will (that which God commands us as what is the right thing to do) with his (man's) evil actions. YET, the fact that men do their evil actions IS God's DIVINE WILL to accomplish HIS Purpose. Remember the words of Jesus in Mathew 18:7; "Woe to the world because of the things that cause people to stumble! Such things must come, but woe to the person through whom they come!" It is God's prescriptive will that only good things which do not cause people to sin occur (ie. Love Your Neighbor and Love God and all the commands that fall under these two commands). However, the things that cause people to sin MUST come (this is God's Divine Will) but WOE to the people through whom they come! In other words, people like Pharaoh and the People who killed Jesus WERE violating God's Prescriptive will, yet, at the same time, they were accomplishing his DIVINE WILL! Look at Acts 4:27-28 27 "Indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together with the Gentiles and the people of Israel in this city to conspire against your holy servant Jesus, whom you anointed." (This conspiring was EVIL and against God's Prescriptive will! Proverbs 17:15 says "Do Not Condemn the innocent" " Acquitting the guilty and condemning the innocent-- the LORD detests them both." So by codenemning Jesus they violated God's prescriptive will) 28"They did what your power and will had decided beforehand should happen." (So even though The Lord says Do Not condemn the innocent, Yet, it was HIS WILL that evil men WOULD condemn Jesus in order that his sovereing plan of salvation would take effect. BUT, those who conspired were still guilty before God for their wicked deeds!) So, at one and the same time, evil men violated God's prescriptive will while fulfilling God's Divine Will, and no, God's will was NOT thwarted! For another example like this one, Read Isaiah 10: God calls the King of Assyria "An Ax in MY Hand" and says "I SEND HIM...." against a disobedient nation. (God's Divine will) Yet, the King of Assyria violated God's Prescriptive Will because for His (the King's) own selfish purposes he went in and killed "innocent" people. So, in summary, the King of Assyria violated God's fulfilled God's Divine Will, while violating God's Prescriptive Will, and then, when God was finished using him to do His (God's) will, God said "Im' going to punish him for what he has done!"

+Mike Lechuga..I read the bible cover to cover once. When I read Matthew 6:33 Jesus Said To Seek HIM And HIS Righteousness FIRST..I did. Jesus Helped me read the bible the second time and I marked what HE Showed me. The bible is written by men..no different than we are. That is precisely Why Jesus said to Seek HIM FIRST. the bible is Not the Word of God. Jesus is the Word of God. He is a Personal Savior Who Helps you as an individual. You do not have to go to past men in a book from yesteryear.

@russelljokela4522

5 жыл бұрын

kathleen Wharton - you are in danger Kathleen. The devil is after your soul. I beg you to submit to Christian community near you, and to all of Scripture. The LORD JESUS affirmed all of Old Testament Scripture as being trustworthy and divine. He also appointed the Apostles as leaders of the church. The Apostles were not acting in mere human authority-there authority is from God. Kathleen, you are in danger. The devil is real. Please, seek help from Christians who you trust, and who have showed themselves to be loving. You can’t trust everyone, but you can trust some people. There are good Christians out there who will love you. Believe me. I’m praying for you.

He keeps mentioning "these preachers," but he never names them. Not good.

I've never seen someone so close yet so completely far and away from what Jesus actually did. He is preaching bondage, not freedom.

@user-iq2rj1gr1z

5 жыл бұрын

He appears to be referring to a Journey with God, being actively transformed into the image of Christ by His Spirit. Those instructions Paul and others gave (nearly all directly relating to walking in His Love), are indeed possible to literally walk out day to day by the Power of the Holy Spirit that dwells within you! =D Don't you think it would be a bit silly to disregard the God inspired instructing given in the gospels? I can certainly see the Joy He is talking about, since He (Jesus) is the word, reading (and obeying) His written word goes hand in hand with being directly led by the Spirit. It's all part of our Beautiful relationship (I don't however Jesus Died to purchase our obedience to commands, so much as to 'know' Him "This is eternal life") with Our Father, Yeshua and His Spirit! 😁 When I've listened to Him directly and Headed His written word, He empowers me to actually live it out, I've never felt more free!!! His ways are the BEST!

@user-iq2rj1gr1z

5 жыл бұрын

@@parkerseymour6046 I agree with everything you just said. It did cross my mind after I posted, that I may have missed what you were focusing on. :P It is amazing How He has made us 100% the righteousness of God NOW before we do anything! 😄 Praise our Awesome Father for the Blood of the Word who became flesh and dwelt among us! 😄😄 Thanks for the reply Parker, I Love these chats. 😉 I just realized it may have sounded like I believed freedom comes only when you obey, although yes everything He has for us is from a place of freedom, I know His Freedom is freely given upon recivibg His sacrifice by grace through Faith. Freedom is indeed ours WAY before we make the move.

@parkerseymour6046

5 жыл бұрын

@@user-iq2rj1gr1z me too! 😁

@charliespleen

Жыл бұрын

Actually he's preaching the highest form of freedom imaginable.

This is just incoherent ramblings verses are all out of context,

Christ does not purchase our obedience at the cross,. he purchases our Justification. The fruit of Justification is new obedience but that's not what he is teaching here. He is teaching that Christ actually purchased our relative obedience to the law at the cross. The Reformers have always taught that sanctification was a necessary state of being, a fruit of our justification. Piper sets up sanctification as a necessary condition added to the instrument of faith for final salvation. That is drifting back to Rome.

@fulllifeministry4766

5 жыл бұрын

I think he is saying what the bible is saying. The cross did purchase our justification, but it also gives us the means for sanctification as well. We aren’t just forgiven at the cross we called to live a new life from it. Nowhere does Piper say we aren’t justified by God’s work on the cross.

@stevewhite5560

5 жыл бұрын

@@fulllifeministry4766 Nobody is saying that God doesn't also sanctify us, but what Piper has said elsewhere is that we are justified by faith, but final salvation is by faith and fruit. So the view since the Reformation has been that that Christ's work for us justifies us, and saves us completely, and that is secured, then as the fruit of that justifying work for us, He also works sanctification in us, but that doesn't get added on as an additional condition as if God looks at our works and the faith that He justified us by on the judgement day and figures out if He will let us into heaven or not. There is a name for that view. It's called Roman Catholicism. So, what the Reformed position is is Christ for us, and Christ in us both happen, but Christ-for-us secures salvation, and Christ-in-us happens as the fruit of all that. Christ-for-us is absolute and definitive. Christ-in-us produces relative results that are not part of our justification or meeting a bar for salvation before God. Piper is a mono-covenentalist. So he disagrees with the Westminster Confession of Faith, and other Reformed standards such as the 3-Forms of unity. He's basically a biblicist, meaning he is a self-styled bible interpreter who sometimes borrows from those who came before him, but his problem is that he has effectively setup a second stage of justification by adding fruit as a co-instrument along with faith for a concept he calls "final-salvation".

@stevewhite5560

5 жыл бұрын

@@fulllifeministry4766 Piper said this in 2017 "In final salvation at the last judgment, faith is confirmed by the sanctifying fruit it has borne, and we are saved through that fruit and that faith."... Do you see how he makes works a co-instrument along with faith for an effective second stage of justification?

@stevewhite5560

5 жыл бұрын

@Brad Nadeau He does more that that. Here is something he preached in 1999: “God’s verdict of not guilty and his imputing of his own righteousness to us at the beginning of the Christian life is by faith alone… that’s how we get started. James is answering the question ‘does the ongoing and final reckoning of Abraham’s righteousness depend on works as the necessary evidence of true and living faith?’ James’ answer to that question is ‘Yes.’ And Paul’s answer is also ‘Yes.’ Gen 15:6. If you ask them, ‘Does justification as an ongoing and final right standing with God depend on the works of love?’ …So when Paul renounces ‘justification by works’ he renounces the view that anything we do along with faith is credited to us as righteousness. Only faith obtains the verdict, ‘not guilty,’ when we become Christians. Works are not acceptable in the moment of initial justification. But when James affirms ‘justification by works’ he means that works are absolutely necessary in the ongoing life of a Christian to confirm and prove the reality of the faith which justifies..…For James, ‘justification by works’ means “maintaining a right standing with God by faith along with the necessary evidence of faith, namely the works of love.” JOHN PIPER “Does James Contradict Paul?”(8 August 1999)

Bible is talking more about how to do stuff ?? Then you make Bible the codes of law not the book of grace. How to do stuff comes naturally only when you firlmy founded your faith and understanding upon what Jesus has done on the cross for you.

@colesellers4529

5 жыл бұрын

You're forcing that view onto the Bible and slanting the positions to strawman what bro Piper is saying.

+Paul Hoffman..Jesus is All you Need. Jesus definition of "church" is personal revelation to each individual from the Holy Spirit. That is how Peter "Knew" that Jesus was the Christ. Paul's definition of "church" is a group of men with a Hiearchy. They are different definitions. Since Jesus is God..I am going to go with Him. Paul is a man..A murdering Pharisee who had to be knocked off his horse and blinded before he could See and He still didn't see Who Jesus IS. Jesus said nothing about meeting together.

@mikelechuga4226

5 жыл бұрын

kathleen Wharton Ma'am you either believe the whole bible or you don't. We're not allowed to pick and choose from the word of God. We either believe HE is GREAT enough to inspire it all or I believe we're selling God a little bit short

@russelljokela4522

5 жыл бұрын

kathleen Wharton - Kathleen, I don’t know if you have any real relationship with the true Holy Spirit. You may. However, I do know that you have formed a relationship with another spirit who has lied to you. This spirit is not your friend. It is a demonic spirit who is seeking to destroy you. He has promised many great things and he has made you feel his close company when others have betrayed you, but this spirit is betraying you worse than any other man ever has. Do not trust this spirit. Break off your relationship with this spirit before it goes any further. It will be painful, but the sooner the better. Open up to a Christian friend. I know you long for true fellowship. Trust some Christian family again. There is a spirit who has been lying to you.