So, Tunic is like the Witness in that it has this secret layer of puzzles, but unlike The Witness, the secret layer isn’t an extension of the gameplay that already existed? Like, the Witness goes from being a puzzle game about limes to being a puzzle game about lines, but Tunic goes from being a Zelda-like to being a puzzle game. It sounds neat. I like games that are secretly way more than they appear

In russian d-pad is called "крестовина" (crest-o-win-a) which is similar to the word "крест" (crest) witch means "cross". So, in russian d-pad actually IS The Holy Cross. Not only by form, but also by its name. So for me it was mind-blowing reveal, that all of the time I had The Holy Cross in my own hands.

@kbarrettoh

Жыл бұрын

This is an unreal comment

@jmugwel

Жыл бұрын

@@kbarrettoh what? Why?

@kbarrettoh

Жыл бұрын

This is an amazing comment

18:18 there's a bombable wall hinted on the map not very far from this spot, which had the exact three flower pattern in front. I got to the dice room pretty early on in the game because of noticing this.

I played Tunic right up until I needed translations, at which point I promptly consulted Reddit. Still, it was really fun deciphering the Golden Path by myself; I even put screenshots of all the relevant bits of the manual on GIMP and pieced everything together like a puzzle. Great stuff.

@alexscriabin

Жыл бұрын

the translations are even more optional than the other optional puzzles

I will say, I had the latter opinion. Where after playing a game with combat and exploration I was extremely satisfied with the game I bought and played. I was happy. And so…I watched someone play it online. The puzzles, the golden path, everything. Looking back on it….I do regret doing that. It seems that this golden path thing was EVERYONE’S highlight with this game that I can no longer experience myself. But the sudden shift just caught me off guard enough to the point where it felt like it was going to be busy work. I’m Sad I did that ultimately, but I think I can’t blame myself or the game.

I am playing Tunic right now and loving it! Will return to watch this for sure when I'm finished (sometime this week? I dont really know how far I am) as I'm excited to see what you have to say about it.

Learning the language felt like learning to read for the first time. I'd slowly read a word out loud with a big goofy grin on my face, loving every second. :)

So I guess nobody's said yet, the clue that you can bomb that wall comes from the manual. It takes a couple steps to get there though. On the overworld map on the right third you'll see a dotted line going through a wall and over to a chest that you can see in game. There's a flower in front of that spot. If you've played a LoZ game then you'll assume to blow it up and sure enough when you do it opens up. Now you should associate flowers next to walls with bomb-able walls.

@SupremeDP

Ай бұрын

Thing is, I haven't played LoZ, so the fact that you can bomb walls was a NIGHTMARE to discover. Also the smoothest feather bs can *suck me balls*. Otherwise, marvelous game, lol.

Bro, what year were you born? Back in the day we used to spread the secrets of the games by word of mouth on the school playground and whatnot. You just had to know a friend who knew where the stuff was, or you had to painstakingly seek it out. And a lot of the time the manuals would have vital information. Now they just throw game-stopping prompts at you. I actually miss the days of the manuals. I used to love reading thru them to learn everything I could about the stories behind the games. There are definitely things about the original Zelda that didn't need to be quite as cryptic as it was, but it was awesome, and it's still awesome. I love how the last two Zelda games took heavy inspiration from the series' roots again, but I feel like they didn't go far enough, honestly. I'm disappointed that I didn't have to really seek out the dungeons. They weren't immediately quite as obvious as the divine beasts, and they didn't tell you about them right from the beginning, but they definitely strongly nudged you toward them, and once you got close enough, they were just as obvious. As far as Tunic is concerned, I waited for the physical release so I could get the physical manual and maps and stuff, plus I just don't do digital anyway because you can't resell or trade digital games, and you don't really technically own them anyway. And what's baffling to me, at least in the case of the Switch, which is the only "current" console I own, somehow the digital versions cost the same or more despite not having any manufacturing or distribution to deal with. Tunic is awesome. I just wish it was longer and had a way to eventually understand the strange language it uses(aside from painstakingly translating it yourself with a pen and paper, although at the same time I love that they did it the way they did, I just don't love having to actually do it myself).

I put Tunic down after getting the good ending. I'm happy with my experience, but also kind of thirsty for more puzzles? I'm waiting for some friends to finish the main game as well, and then I want to translate the language as a group and maybe we'll start into this ARG thing. Which I did not know existed, but absolutely suspected was out there. Good video, thanks for sharing!

Lmao, we're two different kind of people, TUNIC got me immediately in five minutes when the conlang isn't clearly dollar store substitution cypher but you still notice that it clearly can make sense...and there is clearly something fucky with the world. I think i'm one of the people that translated it midway game by myself just because it was so enthralling lol

Hi, Nice Video, thank you. Today we know a bit more about Tunic, just a some knowledge we have to day. - Tunic has a Spoken Language. The Written Language you can learn is also spoken. All ferry speak to you, the even break the 4th Wall and make jokes about the game devs. The Main Menu sound when you lad or start a new message tells you something. I think that is incredible, how deep it is. - Than we have hidden Messages in the Sounds, When you put some sounds into a spectrograph, you can see hidden messages. - The world building is also even deeper as we saw at the first look, one of the main characters was the boss from the library that tried to break the cycle. I think Tunic is a unique experience and I love to see what the people will find out during the coming years.

thanks for making that language translator! I used it before I watched this video, you're a legend

Thanks for the video :)

Nice vid man. I’m going to check out more stuff from your channel, hope you get big!

@nottucks

Жыл бұрын

Also peep FEZ. It’s also cool.

I’m obsessed with this game and the music Is 😱 beautiful!

@potatopower2144

2 жыл бұрын

You should try Deaths Door.

Oh thank you so much for that website! Very useful when hunting down the last few secrets.

I'm surprised you didn't mention FEZ at all. That was the original "looks like one thing but it's actually cryptic cheat code puzzles" game. Even the name of the game is a homage to FEZ and there are iconographic references. I think Tunic executes the idea much better though.

I love Tunic's puzzles! As a seasoned puzzle game and Zelda player, I am very attuned to Puzzles/Secrets I Don't Have the Right Item or Information to Solve Yet, so I was noticing a lot of clues early on and filing them away for later. It wasn't a surprise when the the game became all about the puzzles and told me what the clues were for, I was very excited to find all the ones I hadn't already noticed. I do have an upper limit on how much time and effort I'm willing to put into a given puzzle and that stopped at solving for the language cipher. Like another commenter, I noped out after trying a basic alphabet substitution and went to Google. That was up there with the Tome from Fez. I was also just as disappointed at the anticlimactic result of solving the Glyph Tower.

Some of this reminds me of playing the myst games? Specifically like the middle myst games (because I was too young for the first one, and ended up playing it through the first time or so with my father), where it was important to purchase the games manual or walkthrough at the same time as you purchase the game, or you and a friend each purchase the game and one of you buys the manual, because there were absolutely going to be puzzles that were too much for you to get without help, or there was going to be supplemental material, like learning the Dn'i numeric system or something that was technically present in the game but is a lot easier to do when you just can read about the backstory. And that was a game where half of the fun was drawing out the puzzles on paper and having all of these really cool sort of esoteric looking notes. Because you didn't know what was going to be relevant later on and what you would have wished you had done a rough sketch on while you were looking at it.

I loved the end of tunic and I didn’t even bother to do the end game puzzles cuz that’s not for me but damn that twist ending is amazing

I love this game. I like this channel. I hate that you are spoiling parts of the game even for people who agreed to go past the spoilers. They didn't know, man! They didn't deserve that!

"OR WOULD I" lol

Thanks for the warning at 9:36. I'm told this game is one of those games that it's really best to go in blind.

The lack of boss fight at the end is more like a throw back to the beginning, Tunic starts as a Dark Souls game, bringing mostly players that just want to fight bosses etc., but leaves you with something else, that normally they wouldn't pick up.

I'm leaving a comment just to feed onto the algorithm. Love your Video. Okay bye

So I'm confused, is paper good or bad? haha in all seriousness I loved Tunic, but I really wish I enjoyed some of those puzzle elements more in games personally. I think I feel about them kind of how you describe ARGs. I love reading about them and seeing others like you enjoy them so much, but I get tired of them quickly.

The whole of Zachtronics do provide manuals, and boy are those needed. But as you said, not anymore ... so sad.

Here after the Adam Millard shoutour. Great stuff! Big Hbomberguy vibes (Common british Harry thing i guess) Commenting to appease the algorithm gods

why do you sound british

@VideoGamesAreBad

2 жыл бұрын

😠

13:47 So when I played Tunic, I didn't really understand how the trinket system worked, and since the scavenger shows up as a card like the other trinkets and not as a physical object, I never realized the option to stop the gradual damage existed, and had to beat the buildup to the mines dungeon no-hit. Took me so long and it sucked so much, and I felt like an idiot when I realized how the trinkets worked and realized I had the tools to make that area bearable the whole time. (Also, I also did that area before I did the librarian too)

Wow your humour dude is underrated! 22:05 was gold.

I beat the game and got the bad ending and then saw that I was missing 7 pages. I went back and got to the exact same point where you see the information about having to go through the whole game again looking for the things and I was like "NOPE!" bad ending is good enough for me.

@Epicawesomeness64

Жыл бұрын

good for you, honestly. even as an advocate for the satisfaction of Manual Translation, you gotta find the point where you stop

@Lazypackmule

Жыл бұрын

lmao you misunderstood what the video was saying completely, you don't have to go through the game again at all, and the game even goes out of its way to allow you to go back to your original save before beating the final boss for specifically that purpose You just don't like puzzles or looking for things, which is why you skipped doing all of it and got the bad ending in the first place, and that's okay

Blessed by thr algorithm

Lol what if at the end of the ARG you get an NFT.

All the people talking about The Witness when talking about Tunic have not played FEZ If you played FEZ and 100%ed it, the Witness is a fucking joke FEZ as much as Tunic has an in-world language (and numbers-/counting-system) that you need to translate (as much as you can translate the script in Tunic) and you need to heavily think outside the box for it. I wrote so many fucking pages of paper full of codes and stuff for FEZ It was fucking rad. And what I loved about Tunic is that it's a Zelda-Darksouls with a good dose of that.

Zelda was the first game I picked after Mario bros that came with the SNES. I picked it because I liked the box. Lord have mercy on my four year old soul, I didn't beat the game until "how to win at video games 2" told me how to solve the graveyard.

I'm late to the game, forgive me, what's an ARG in this context?

@VideoGamesAreBad

Жыл бұрын

An ARG stands for an Alternate Reality Game which is a fancy way of saying a puzzle that exists in the real world. So in this case, Tunic's ARG takes you to this website with a bunch of clues on it for the community to follow. AFAIK, I think it lead to a few cool easter eggs but I'm not sure if it's considered fully solved yet - there's probably information out there if you want to know more (likely buried in various Discord Servers 🙃)

@doggfite

Жыл бұрын

@@VideoGamesAreBad thank you! I have never heard of that and so i thought it stood for augmented reality and i was beyond confused how that would even work!

The ARG has been solved. Spoilers below... The runes are not the only language of TUNIC. _There is a second language embedded in the sounds and music of the game._ It's *breathtaking.* To me, WAY more awesome than a secret boss. You've gotta look into this, man.

I agree tho, 7/10 is a good score it's just that game review scores are really inflated

Well I know one of the persona 3 fans, but who is the other?

Me, half? way through this game: "eh I put it down a while ago probs not gonna finish lets see the spoilers" *2 seconds later* THE MINES ARE THE LAST THING TO DO?!?!?!?!?!? 14:02 just gonna come back later cus wtf is thats meant to be the last section I clearly missed something obvious, time to go find a graveyard

15:43 (SPOILER ALERT!!!!! click/tap on read more if you don't care/have beaten the game) note: you only need most of the fairies to be able to solve the Golden Path puzzle. i know this because i solved the Golden Path puzzle before 100%ing the fairies. they give you the final page you need after you get most of them (check back at the secret fairy place behind the waterfall after getting a couple of fairies)

majoras mask is significantly better than ocarina (to the point where sometimes it feels like a rom hack in how unconventional & obscured it's cool stuff is), rly hard to explain without giving away the game, outer wilds is obviously inspired by the time loop but there is a lot more in that game which it draws from in terms of information/knowledge/the way that themes r presented, it's a game which i think even most adults barely understood which is super weird to me. rly rly feels like the team forgot abt money and being a company and the fact they make games for people that aren't going to dissect and analyse their game bc its Zelda obviously they wont, real cool stuff (i don't think it's the best game ever or anything, i don't really care about zelda it's just way way way better than the rest by a weird amt to me)

I feel like you would get a kick out of the old lucasarts game Loom, also non non algorithm go brr have comment

"(I) Haven't played Majora's Mask." Tell me that's been fixed by now, correct? OOT you can skip because of internet osmosis, ie you can see everything it has to offer by watching other people. Majora's Mask needs to be experienced.

"I like Zelda but Ocarina of Time wasn't for me" 🤔How do you not like the best one?😆

4:28 this is anti emulation propaganda lol

Just a heads up of another that had this kind of gender twist, and I would like to spread the word, is Fez. It starts as a platformer with some cool mechanics and ends up really deep. Just a recommendation ;)

Tunic needs an easy mode.

@channelremoved32

Жыл бұрын

it literally already has one. it has multiple. did you even look at the options menu

Tunic is absolutely not a good Zelda game lmao, it just wears some of its surface level trappings as a skinsuit without making them really work, the same way it does with Dark Souls The game is exceedingly mid or has incredible missed potential with every single mechanic or idea outside of the manual itself and everything that stems from that The combat is bare minimum, the mechanics are barely explored and leave tons of obvious ways they could be expanded lying on the table untouched(some of the few ways it IS are even invalidated or outright removed from the game with later upgrades!), the level design literally just has hidden shortcuts going for it and genuinely with no exaggeration nothing else at all, the enemy/boss design is surprisingly good given these other factors but the game doesn't do enough with them, even the endgame puzzles that everything was building up towards are muddled with poor progression and padding and very few unique ideas past the initial reveal and next to no actual reward for engaging with them, etc.- and no amount of fangirling over vague notions of 'vibes' and 'subverted expectations' can truly make up for that Tunic is a great game purely for the few unique things it does really well, and every single other thing in the entire game is just throwaway set dressing for those ideas And hey speaking of the concept of hiding a secret boss behind ARG stuff, uh, for absolutely no reason at all unrelated to this I'd just like to bring up that Death's Gambit is a game that is also really good, specifically in a lot of ways that Tunic isn't