Do you ride tubeless tyres? Let us know in the comments!

@Bendersnatchling

3 жыл бұрын

I did, won't try again. Maybe in 10 years when there are no narrow rims available. Just cleaned out a tubeless tire. What a mess. A TPU inner tube weighs 25g. A traditional tire+25g is lighter than a tubeless tire without any sealent. And I like the feeling of 7.5-8 bars. I love it actually. Riding with 6 bar in the tires feels muted to me. And I don't care about 1-2 watts. At least not if it isn't aero-watts XD

@dodge3048

3 жыл бұрын

The ability to run lower pressures with less risk of puncturing is a big plus in Scottish roads. On the one occasion I punctured a tubeless tyre I simply installed a tube in the same way I would have had I been using a tube from the start. A wee bit of mess but nothing to worry about. The performance vs weight vs comfort thing will differ for everyone though.

@philipcooper8297

3 жыл бұрын

#AskGCNTech How often do I have to replace the sealant inside the tyre?

@JayLato

3 жыл бұрын

I ran Schwalbe Pro One and I got too many punctures, made a mess, wouldn’t seal, and getting the tire off the hook was brutal/impossible on road I kept having to pump them up every few miles to get home. Went back to supersonic tubes and GP5000’s maybe one day I’ll try out GP5000 TL.

@Bendersnatchling

3 жыл бұрын

@@JayLato Don't. 5000 TL is so hard to get off. Took me 20 min at home with all the tools I wanted. (Mavic cosmic carbon sl for tubeless). I used Schwalbe sealant and it didn't work. Had a MASSIVE clot in my tube though. About the size of my thumb. If you ask me tubeless simply isn't the right solution for road bike application. The demand for high pressure prevents the sealant from working properly. It seals it, yes, when spinning the tire in the air. Put it back on the road and the hole is back. At least that's my experience.

A blind test would be cool to see, don't let the tester know which is set up on the bike.

@chrisvanbuggenum871

3 жыл бұрын

And multiple runs at a specific wattage to avoid effects of fatigue.

@joelyons886

3 жыл бұрын

big problem there is the pressure, tubeless way less pressure so would be easy to see and feel, M2CW I run tubolito inner tubes and they are just as fast as tubeless I also have the benefit of not getting gunk all over myself and wheels in case of a sidewall or major puncture downside minor nicks and punctures are way easier when running tubeless. So in summary for me it's all down to personal preference and what works for you...

@roberteltze4850

3 жыл бұрын

Do the tests by coasting down a descent to take the human factor out of the test.

@truetierra

3 жыл бұрын

Agree. There is way too much confirmation bias.

@GCNalex

3 жыл бұрын

Hi David, unfortunately I cannot ride my bike blindfolded haha.

Maybe it's an age thing. As the 'older' cyclist, I really couldn't be bothered with all the sealant, tape and crap and having to clean it out every 6 months etc. etc. etc. Run inner tubes for as long as I can remember and haven't had a puncture for over a year. It takes all of 5 minutes to replace an inner tube!!

@jellybeans786

3 жыл бұрын

And that’s 5 mins that tubeless riders don’t have to waste! Can just enjoy the ride

@DiscoParachute

3 жыл бұрын

True but with tubes I couldn't run 25c on my city streets without getting flats, now I'm running everything over. Glass, staples, crushed cans, absolutely steam rolls over everything

@nigelcrane5309

3 жыл бұрын

@@jellybeans786 I’m willing to bet when you do clean out the old sealant and replace the tape it takes more than 5 minutes!! Time we spend on the road 😉

@ChrisP978

3 жыл бұрын

@@nigelcrane5309 You don't have to change the tape unless you see it peeling up when you replace a tire. You also don't have to thoroughly clean out old sealant routinely, you can suck a little old sealant out through the valve stem twice a year, only takes a minute.

@zerocooljpn

3 жыл бұрын

Strongly agree. Tubeless are nice, but too much maintenance. I'm totally ok with getting a puncture from time to time, as I just need to replace the tube in like 10m if I take it easy. And I don't mind being a couple of seconds slower if that needs having to pay less and easier maintenance

Title is misleading. Should be “A cycling video on confirmation bias”

@kairb

3 жыл бұрын

Have to agree with you on this. A lot of gcns content follows this pattern

@AllanPhillips

3 жыл бұрын

Why? Are you suggesting that tubeless tyres aren't faster, aren't more comfortable and don't result in having to fix fewer punctures? If so then it's you that's demonstrating confirmation bias.

@jeffr119

3 жыл бұрын

@@AllanPhillips No, in order to have results of real value, the test of tubes versus tubeless would have to be a double blind test where the rider has no idea what tire setup they are using.

@AllanPhillips

3 жыл бұрын

@@jeffr119 There have been plenty of tests that have proved the benefits of tubeless tyres without involving riders at all. So I agree the testing in this video wasn't very scientific (I'm surprised he didn't even ride to a set power), but the results were still in line with what we know to be true.

@markusnanderod5934

3 жыл бұрын

You could hear in the cyclist's voice when he was starting the ride on tubeless that now he is going to put the hammer down.

I tried tubeless and loved it UNTIL I had a catastrophic failure which really should have been fixable with a plug but no, it just simply would not seal (it wasn't even a big puncture). I ended up having to call for a ride home with sealant absolutely all over me and all over my bike. Ride ruined, brand new Rapha kit destroyed (sealant won't wash out), sealant all over my bike - in every nook and cranny. - inside the rear derailleur, brakes, absolutely everywhere. I had to totally dismantle the entire bike to clean it all out properly. What a HUGE pain in the arse. I'm sticking with tubes thanks. At least if I have a major puncture I can just swap a tube without any fuss but in my experience you simply cannot do that with tubeless without getting absolutely covered in crap. So no, I do not ride tubeless, in fact I HATE tubeless tires - mine went straight in the bin.

@guidospanoghe8896

3 жыл бұрын

I use a relatively small amount of sealant in my tyres to prevent such mess. When the puncture doesn't seal you can either put in an innertube or add some sealant from a little bottle through the valve stem while you're on the go. Which sealant did you use? Because No Tubes sealant is quite easy to get rid off in comparison to Cafélattex.

@nwimpney

3 жыл бұрын

@@greabo9544 Or maybe tubeless is just crap. I've given it plenty of chances, and it's always let me down. It didn't ruin my gear, but did leave some nasty stains on my blue jeans, and a bit of a mess to clean off my bike. Has ruined a couple rides for me, though. Maybe you don't ride enough? I've tried tubeless on several bikes, and found it's garbage for anything high pressure/low volume (road). It's arguable on mountain bike/low pressure fat tire stuff, but still definitely a hassle without much payoff IMO, but I wouldn't blame someone for using it there. On high pressure road tires, it's just crap. I've blown rim tape, I've had flats that won't hold air, I've had early tubeless stuff that's impossible to take off the rim (And no, I'm not an idiot.. You try mounting/unmounting an early fusion 3 tubeless with normal tire levers. good luck) Not all are catastrophic ride enders, but the 3-4 minutes to change a tube has never ended a ride for me, so IMO, the odd flat tire that it might actually save me from once or twice a year (if it actually works) will never outweigh the hassle, and occasional gong-show when it doesn't work like it should.

@danielhall3895

3 жыл бұрын

@@greabo9544 Yeah he really sounds like he's shilling for "Big Tube"... A lot of people have these problems with tubeless road tires, they seem to be less prone to these problems on thicker tires used on mountain and gravel bikes, which seems to be why mountain bike and gravel riders are mostly happy with them. Roadies find them, as a group, to be a mixed bag mostly not worth the hassle. I can see the benefits for off-road use, where they function better, but if you want lower pressure on a road bike, I really don't see the superiority to using tubeless over upgrading to tubs. Tubulars seem to be the upgrade that has withstood the test of time and just works for roadies that want something lighter, and lower pressure than a clincher. Oh and to put your conspiracy to rest, why is it that almost every pro that listened to a sponsor and tried out tubeless in a race situation, wound up with similar failure described by op, ruining their day, and they stick to tubs or clinchers?

@M.Cossie

2 жыл бұрын

After experiencing exactly the same problems with tubeless, I couldn't agree more.

@user-nu5fx6en9h

Жыл бұрын

That’s sad, for me is the opposite my sealant always get the job even with deep or big hole 😁, unlike my tube tyres always get puncture and need to change on the spot which is really annoying.

And now a video on how fast it takes to fix a tubeless flat vs a tire with a tube flat. Love to see that one.

@der_Passfahrer

Ай бұрын

As a huge fan of tubeless tires, I must admit, if the sealant doesnt get the job done, it’s pretty much game over. The tire is so stuck on the wheel, I can‘t remove it without tools… But since I run tubeless I never had an issue.

Not a completely balanced video, IMO. Didn't really address some of the counter-arguments. I've gone tubeless on winter bike and probably will continue. On the summer bike I have Vittoria Corsas with latex and can't see a change occurring soon. Here's the shoot-out: Weight - the Corsas with latex are lighter than a GP5000 TL with sealant ✅ Latex 1 - 0 Tubeless ❌ Feel - honestly, the Corsas with latex, even at 90psi, are so plush I can't tell the difference over tubeless. Also, read discussion online that tubeless tyres are less supple than their clincher counterparts = Latex 1 - 1 Tubeless (call it a draw, though could be a narrow win with latex) Speed - the rolling resistance of the Corsas with latex is as good as nearly any tubeless set-up = Latex 1-1 Tubeless (call it a draw) Puncture resistance - I've had one puncture on the Corsas+Latex in two years. I've had more than that on my tubeless including a complete tyre slash. For me, in summer at least, it's just not an issue. = Latex 1-1 Tubeless Faff - once you're experienced with tubeless I'm sure it becomes easier. Though trying to get a GP5000 tubeless tyre on was ridiculously hard. Add in the mess, upkeep, checking of sealant, it's surely more faff? And it's not 'set and forget'. The only real faff with the latex is that they deflate quickly, though I pump tyres before every ride (even tubeless), so not an issue ✅ Latex 1 - 0 Tubeless ❌ Ride Gear - most people probably still take a tube out with you on tubeless set up and possible extra gear (sealant, bacon strips) to try to possibly repair tyre damage. So potentially there is added faff and weight with gear and repair of a tubeless set up ✅ Latex 1 - 0 Tubeless ❌ Results, just in... 🏆 Latex 6 - 3 Tubeless 🤷🏽‍♂️ Victory for Clincher with latex 🎉🎊🚴🏾‍♂️💨

@CerveloS5rider

3 жыл бұрын

Checking the sealant faff? Once every 6months I change it. Really quick job. Deflate tyre, remove valve core, suck out old, add new, add valve and pump up. I don’t carry tubes as in my opinion it’s pointless, any hole big enough not to seal the tube is gonna breach the hole. I’ll just Uber (or wife) it home if needed. Although in 10,000 miles I’ve never not finished, had to top up with co2 a hand full of times. If you choose mavic wheels the tubeless setup is easier than tubed. Not with other brands to be fair. WHEN you get a puncture tubeless seals, tubed you need to find the thing that caused the puncture or you puncture again straight away. No experience yet with fitting my TLR Vittoria yet because on bike from new and they are pretty much fit and forget.

@chrisvanbuggenum871

3 жыл бұрын

I run latex too. Love them.

@Sprocketboy1956

3 жыл бұрын

Never used latex tubes but the Corsas are just so sweet!

@glennoc8585

3 жыл бұрын

100% analysis totally agree.

@jamesp.1784

3 жыл бұрын

I got sick and tired of having to pump my tyres up every ride with the latex. My first foray into tubeless was a disaster with ultra flimsy super light tyres that were fast but just not durable enough for road use. Since converting to Vittoria Corsa and Corsa Control for my two main bikes and I love them and the confidence of normal punctures self-sealing is fantastic.

Tubelss is great when it works. However, it doesn’t take much of a hole, for the sealant to give up. Meaning you will have to plug the whole, by the time you realise that a plug is needed, and get it sorted, the tire may already have unseated due to loss of air, and you have no chance of seating it again, by the road side. Then, you find yourself covered in sealant, trying to empty out as much as possible, from the tire, before putting in the tube you bring anyway, just in case. Besides this it’s recommended that you replace your tire ASAP, once it has been plugged, as the plug compromises the integrity of your tires. Now you can find yourself replacing a month old tire, because of one single puncture (or switching back to inner tubes) ... Then you can spend the next 3-4 washes cleaning out sealant, from all nooks and crannies, of your frame and your drivetrain. So again, as long as the sealant does its job, then Bob is your uncle, happy days, and if not, you have yourself a potential road side sh:t-show.

@cleggycyclist

3 жыл бұрын

I have ridden over 2,000 miles after plugging a tubeless road tyre, no issues at all. MTB'ers likewise.

@benjaminw4385

3 жыл бұрын

My new Pirelli P zero race TLRs lasted a whopping 3 rides before this happened to me. Funny enough, seating the tires was never an issue but they did eject my tire plug twice.

@mrziplineds5257

3 жыл бұрын

@@greabo9544 sounds like he forget to refill/maintain his tires with new sealant... then got mad at the system he failed to maintain

@paddyotoole2058

3 жыл бұрын

@@greabo9544 Stop being so emotional, immature and triggered ffs. 🙄. The OP is allowed to have his opinion. It’s based on his real world experience. If yours differs then that is fine, but his is no less valid than yours.

@johnseabrook1703

3 жыл бұрын

@@paddyotoole2058 I thought his argument was good, it sounds like you may be emotional.

My new bike came with Tubeless tires and on the 3rd or 4th ride, guess what, I got a flat. I spent 30 minutes trying to get the tubeless tire off and I could not. I had to call my son to come pick me up. We drove to the bike shop. It took them 20 minutes to get the tubeless tire off. They had to get the tire completely wet, then cover it with dishwasher soap to get it off. When you get a flat with clincher tires. It is still much easier to fix by yourself.

@abduraghmaandaames6751

Ай бұрын

Gator skin 622's wired tire is 1 of the best tube tyres period im using mavic aksuim removing them are verry easy

Riding tubeless for 4 years now, and will never come back

What I want is the absolutely minimum maintenance and when they do require any work then I don't want anything complicated at all. So when you're squirting that sealant liquid stuff and messing around with that, that is one complication I don't have, I have the most simple inner tube and clincher. Simple is better.

@dpstrial

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. I tried tubeless and frustratingly spent a lot of time trying to seat tyres. I questioned why I was doing it, when I could have my normal tyres on the rims in a few minutes. It is the same with disc brakes: centring or truing rotors and freeing pistons is a real faff at times.

@JMcLeodKC711

3 жыл бұрын

Did you see the mess he made seating that tire?

@biglegcatluvr

3 жыл бұрын

on the same page here

@michaelmechex

3 жыл бұрын

It's better for You. Tubes are clean and tire pressure pretty much doesn't matter. Hovewer, the feel that Alex describes is truly amazing. Also the chance of having to stop in a very unpleasant weather to change a tube with frozen hands is much lower. (Yep, happened to me before) It's not for people who see maintenance of their bike as necessary evil, tubeless is for people who like to tinker with their bike and benefit from it on the ride.

@TheAdwills

3 жыл бұрын

@@michaelmechex up to a point. I ride around 1,200km a month, so will replace a set of tyres every 3 months or so. So no need to clean out old sealant and replace, etc. Pirelli P-Zero Race TLR SLs are pretty easy to fit to my Hunt 44UD wheels, and I have a flash pump so seating is easy. And I have 6 small nicks in the front tyre after nearly 4,000km that the sealant has fixed, so that's around an hour standing at the roadside saved... I've had big cuts in the middle of nowhere on the MTB and the gravel bike that wouldn't seal - a plug (I use Dynaplug) fixed each one in about 30 seconds 👍 So I'd say I probably spend less time fixing / tinkering with tubeless vs clinchers. Which is a bit of a shame as I love tinkering!

“Why I’ll never ride with inner tubes again” : .......Because it keeps the sponsors happy???? 😃

@Livlifetaistdeth

3 жыл бұрын

Beat me to it.

@zzhughesd

3 жыл бұрын

Like it

@metallusmelandril7380

3 жыл бұрын

Yeha BUT I also like tubeless. Less time spend on the side of the road with flat tires Sooooooooo YEHA

@johnandrews3568

3 жыл бұрын

This is it in a nutshell for tubeless and disk brakes. The bike industry solving problems that don't exist so they can sell more kit. And the cycling media eat up the nonsense with a giant spoon because sponsorship and ad revenue.

@2wheelsrbest327

3 жыл бұрын

@@johnandrews3568 Agree John . Brought a Gravel bike which has tubeless but I still have tubes in them and discs. Don't like either. Grandson had a puncture in his gravel bike tyre the other day and it was a nightmare to get off. How you do it at the side of the road I don't know. As for discs give me rim brakes every time as as I don't fly down hills anyway. Thinking of building another bike up but rim brake frame sets are getting rarer to get hold of. Ok I am a Luddite but I am happy.

"Setting up your tubeless tires is actually a fairly simple proces" :D :D :D :D

@Dakiller1243

3 жыл бұрын

It gets easier each time

@nicholkid

3 жыл бұрын

Can be trivial or nearly goddamn impossible. Depends on the tire. My conti mtb tires took me hours of wrestling and pumping, but I just put vittoria gravel tires on my bike and I did the whole thing in 30 mins and never swore once.

@portland675

3 жыл бұрын

Super easy

@ronstewtsaw

3 жыл бұрын

@@nicholkid 30 minutes is unacceptable in many circumstances.

@jonpoon3896

3 жыл бұрын

Simple doesn’t mean easy... it depends on the tyres

yeah ever since I went tubeless on my gravel bike a couple of years ago, I converted all my wheelsets to tubeless. The peace of mind and comfort is priceless for long distance riding on and off road

@fazlee712

3 жыл бұрын

@@stuartchester6899 good for you! I run 32c on my endurance bike at 50 psi, it's still super fast and super comfortable 😁

Not trying to be pedantic, but to quote Alex’s own words: “installation is - fairly - simple”. And that is still a very significant factor for many people who don’t live close to a bike shop or are not technically inclined. There’s no argument as to the advantages of tubeless but for non-pros or many weekend riders, ease of installation is paramount. On a personal note, I’m a regular rider using tubes, in a rural area with mid to low quality and roads, and my Conti gatorskins have yet to experience a puncture in over a decade. So, I’d be hard pushed to be sold on additional puncture resistance.

@willek1335

3 жыл бұрын

Conti gatorskins?

@SuperDeinVadda

3 жыл бұрын

@@willek1335 continental gatorskin It's a popular roadbike Tyre

@CerveloS5rider

3 жыл бұрын

Mavic tubeless are easier than tubed. GCN did a video on them and I’ve setup some too.

@stephenang499

3 жыл бұрын

Same here almost a decade on Gatorskins and no punctures, only one minor puncture but was a slow leak and only discovered it when I took the bike out again for a ride but I had no issues of reaching home when I had the minor puncture.

@johnandrews3568

3 жыл бұрын

The advantages of tubeless still don't outweigh the advantages of tires/tubes. No thanks... ever.

You need to test how to seat a tubeless with a handpump and how get all that hardened rubber spray off your bike and clothing, when you had a big puncture.

@TheAdwills

3 жыл бұрын

Stick your finger on the hole until you can insert a Dynaplug or similar. At least 10 times faster than swapping out the inner tube. And any sealant that has sprayed onto the frame washes off easily when you clean your bike. You do clean your bike regularly, don't you??

@thomaswallace3776

3 жыл бұрын

So I recently noticed one of my Mavics had punctured but was able to seal. I use Orange sealant. All I had to do was literally grab it and peel it off like a sticker. C'mon dude.

@TheAdwills

2 жыл бұрын

@vicinius if you're riding enough kilometres then you'll be replacing your tyres long before the solid gunk forms. If you're riding casually then I agree that tubeless isn't the best option for everyone. Sorry to hear you've ruined your wheel stickers; I've only experienced sealant spray 4 or 5 times (most small punctures seal without the spray) and every time it's washed off easily with washing up liquid in water ,and a sponge 🤷‍♂️

Fantastic scientific method by GCN! One run each, knows which ride is on his favourite tubeless (placebo effect). Ooh, 7 secs difference; is that a significant difference, or just down to random variation? Who knows? Different PSI's, traffic, weather, power output? Come on GCN, think it thru first, you can do better. If tubeless had turned out to be worst, would you have even posted the video?? Eg. Tubeless Convert! | Why Alex Will Never Use Inner Tubes On His Road Bike Again Even Though They Are (Objectively) Slower Than Latex Inner Tubes

@robertsutter7588

3 жыл бұрын

I agree! Where is the power data?

@danielmoorhouse6506

3 жыл бұрын

Their videos are great or utter s**t. This one the latter I'm afraid.

@aad493

3 жыл бұрын

Another "GREAT" GCN "science" based test, just like the great "science" done in the test of "aero" wheels against "shallow" rim wheels...doing that one over again, eh? You didn't use the lightest "light" tubes, as the tubolito tube is lighter than the ones you use. Further, you don't have to pump tube tires up to 90psi. I run my Contini GP5000s with the tubolito tubes at 65 psi with no problems - so much for the "comfort" idea. I use both tubeless and tubed tires, the latter are much more efficient and lighter!

@mickgtir

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, this one has to be one of the worst comparisons they've done. No controls too many variables.

@GCNalex

3 жыл бұрын

@@robertsutter7588 hi Robert, each run was ridden between 265-270w.

As if anyone has ever setup a tubeless wheel as stress free as that....

5 reasons why I never even watch such videos about tube vs tubeless comparisons (Love tubes!;) )

@portland675

3 жыл бұрын

Said no one ever

I appreciate how as GCN has become bigger and more corporate, is maintaining its appearance of honesty and impartiality by simply being totally shameless in its shilling for the bike industry and their revolving carousel of passing trends.

@Sprocketboy1956

3 жыл бұрын

Unfortunately, the "passing trend" of making things more complex and expensive is not a passing one!

Inner tubes are great and they work. They will be around for years, Alex.

Did you hold exactly the same power with the three models? I see a lot of sprints which suggests non constant delivery of power.

I'm impressed by the fact that you could reduce pressure by 35lbs and still be faster. My experience doesn't mirror that sadly. My testing wasn't as extensive as yours but to remain similar in speed, my decrease in pressure was closer to 10psi going from tubes to tubeless.

I once punctured my front wheel - the hole was too big for the sealant to seal. With every turn of the tire, the entire sealant was nicely spread all over the bike and myself. Cleaning was horrible. I am totally fine loosing a few seconds and not risk having such mess again. I am sticking with inner tubes.

@georgelousaysonph5480

2 жыл бұрын

I rode with my friend running tubeless and saw first hand the nightmare when he got a huge puncture on new tyres, the sealant went all over his face and cycling gear and 12k usd bike...you are the amount of sealant thrown was a nightmare and its very visible on his matte black frame

@RedCommunist

2 жыл бұрын

That's why they make plug kits for tubeless, which will seal a hole that is too large to self seal. The Dynaplug system is so simple, the repair can be completed within five seconds of hearing/seeing the puncture. And the lightest weight plugs are light enough that carrying one as part of your tubeless system still allows the whole system to be lighter than a tube based system.

@Nostalgiaforinfi

Жыл бұрын

​@@RedCommunist duhhh plug the hole before it happens.

Switching (for a short time) to tubeless tires on my road bike was one of the worst and expensive decisions I ever made as a cyclist. I'm riding 20-25 TKM a year on a bike, so to be on the safe side (less punctures, more comfort, less weight and lower rolling resistance) I decided to change for tubeless. I wish I never did it, because: - the worse puncture problems happened to me while riding tubeless... * valve failure caused immediate pressure loss and left me swearing on the roadside 100 km from home, * puncture (yes, they also happen on tubeless) caused all the glue-milk sprayed me and my bike on a longer trip. Have you ever tried to clean it on the next day? Beside much more problems while riding, it was a stupid idea to switch to tubeless also because: - you need a compressor to be able to inflate tubeless tires, which means there's no way you will make it on the road, if the pressure drops for any reason, - you need to buy and keep at home a lot of additional stuff (milk, lubricant, compressor) or waste money and time on bike mechanic every time you want to change a tire or even to add some milk (every few months), - tubeless tires (+ all the stuff you also need to buy) are more expensive and I didn't notice the more comfort or more speed bonus. Maybe when you're racing it makes some difference, - tubeless tires are much harder to mount on the rim, - if you use, on an emergency, a tube to get home somehow, be prepared you will ride on an egg, because tubeless tire has harder and less flexible wals, which causes the tire will not properly sit on the rim, and you'll be literally jumping next 100 km like a grasshopper, - changing a tire is such a messy process, After experiencing many problems with tubeless tires on my road bike, about 40 000 km ago I switched to tubes again (Conti Gatorskin 25mm + 100g Conti Race tubes) and no problems with punctures again. Of course a spare tube, just in case, travels always with me. Tubeless? Never again. I learned it the hard way...

@MrDienowlivelater

2 жыл бұрын

Odd. I always ride tubeless ready tires with tubes and there is no jumping.

@M.Cossie

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrDienowlivelater Every tire is different. I'm only telling what I experienced.

@MrDienowlivelater

2 жыл бұрын

@@M.Cossie fair enough)

@doriangray2020

2 жыл бұрын

This is about as much rubbish as the video.

2:34 I used super-light inner tubes one time in a time trial, flatted it in both wheels. Have never used them again.

I'll never go back to tubeless again. I tried tubeless for 1 1/2 years and it was a complete disaster of a system. I tried different compounds but I got slimed within every 3 rides. HATED tubeless. Went back to tubes last year and haven't regretted the decision and never looked back.

@nwimpney

3 жыл бұрын

Same. Tried it several times through the years after being told "It's gotten way better than it used to be" But it's still totally awful on road bikes.

Tube type tyres with latex tubes feel best of all in my experince without all the mess and time wasting of tubeless. Yes you have to top them up with air before each ride, but you have to do that with tubeless as well. Will never go back to tubeless!

What was you AVG power on each ride? The devil is in the detail.

@MaximeTurcotte1983

2 жыл бұрын

It can't be compared without at least this info ....

@3akpy4uBau

2 жыл бұрын

Ask sponsors)

Would have been good to see the power numbers.

@decidrophob

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly, other videos in GCN control the power identical in each setup. This particular video is rubbish in this respect.

For a fair comparison, should have included power numbers. Or you should mention up you rode at constant power. I recently switched to tubeless and noticed the increased comfort and smoother slicker ride. No idea whether they are faster. The avoidance of pinch flats is probably a benefit as well as auto-plugging of any holes

@BurgerTime7441

10 ай бұрын

This is GCN. Their tests are purely for entertainment. Heck, I could argue that it appears they faked the tests entirely. No charts or Power and speed? Fake test. He didn't even do it.

*two and three watts?!* Shut the front door! I must go and drop £1000 on some tubeless rims and tyres right now! 😅🐸 Yeah... no.

@wdadwawdadawdwdwa4133

3 жыл бұрын

it might be 3 watts per tyre, in a racing situation that is easily a deciding factor, also your scenario assumes the wheel isnt tubeless compatible already. also also: how would you arrive @ one grand`?

@metallusmelandril7380

3 жыл бұрын

My 300€ rims a TL ready Soooo :)

@ollieb9875

3 жыл бұрын

Yes I pulled £1000 out my bum, but I'm thinking if I upgrade at all it's gotta be carbon and last time I looked they're all very pricey, especially deep section ones. 🤔 Unless.. AliExpress or something no name. 😳

@blataquad

3 жыл бұрын

@@ollieb9875 hunt wheels are really really good for the money, somewhere around £700 for tubeless ready deep section and tyres+ sealant. This difference is astronomical. I used continental gp5000

@ollieb9875

3 жыл бұрын

@@blataquad too much money! I wouldn't pay that for a car! 😅🙃

There is no fucking way you would loose 15 seconds with a butyl tube! This is ridicilous on a whole new level from gcn.

@cristibaluta

3 жыл бұрын

15sec on an entire tour de france stage maybe.

Raise your hand if you have been on a ride and someone with tubeless gets a flat that does not seal and they have no idea what to do?

@nickporter3531

3 жыл бұрын

Oops... stick a tube in 😆

@rhoelalvarez7208

3 жыл бұрын

My friend Scott stopped using tubeless

@notreally2406

3 жыл бұрын

@@rhoelalvarez7208 my friend Scott also stopped using tubeless

@francisling3196

3 жыл бұрын

And been behind them when the rear tire punctures badly at speed.... gunk everywhere

Wish you’d shared your average watts for each tire setup

@Rabarebane

2 жыл бұрын

Should have done a blind test, where he doesn't know which tire system he is riding. Personal bias is hard to avoid, even when trying to stay neutral.

Can you demonstrate fitting GP5000TL tyres onto Hunt rims please 😂

@cshigley

3 жыл бұрын

I have to admit getting GP5000TLs on to Hunt wheels is a challenge, nearly snapped a tire lever but the struggle was worth the effort- they have been lights out since!

@peterdraper1478

3 жыл бұрын

How do you like you Hunt rims? I'm getting some next week (and on the balance of comments here I think I'll stick with tubes).

@cshigley

3 жыл бұрын

I have the Aero Wide (24 wide 31 deep) rims which replaced the stock Bontragers that came on my 2018 Trek Domane SL5 and love them! I’ve heard concerns about Hunt having loud free hubs but mine are quieter than my old wheels. They sure are a lot lighter, shaved over 700 grams of weight off the set.

@o0260o

3 жыл бұрын

regular gp5000 were pretty hard on my mavics as well

@anotheryoutuber_

3 жыл бұрын

do an install with no cuts... most folks will click off before one is ready to ride, let alone a set. tubes are fine.

Blah blah ,,,, when it comes to that inevitable time when you have to replace a tyre or sealant, it is *drastically* more PITA running tubeless. You did your best to make a conversion look like a walk in the park, but that is massively disingenuous and simply doesn’t reflect the realities of pain points which can go with getting the tubeless tyre on/off that rim - nor did you cover the price differences in short medium or long term.

@DaveShishkoff

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly this. If you want to run road tubeless, you should have a second set of tube wheels on the ready. While MTB is definitely more reliable, the high pressure of road tubeless means things are more likely to go wrong, and when you go to ride, there's a good chance a valve will start losing air, or the tape has shifted, and neither will reseal, requiring a full go at setting up again (which means missing your ride, unless you've got that second set of wheels.) If your rim has a solid lining (no spoke holes), that helps a lot, but you still can end up with a fussy valve. I want to love road tubeless, been trying it on and off for the last decade (since they first came out with those awful Hutchinson tires), but so far inevitably I keep going back to tubes because it keeps screwing up (and missing rides with friends). But when it is set up, it does make for a better ride, and has saved my butt a few times sealing punctures. (Including a nail in a tire, which I just left in, and was able to ride 30min home and dealt with it there.)

Alex, I guess you plan on doing a lot of Uber in your future! LOL!

Tubes still have one use in my workshop, to seat the tape after I have retaped a rim, they compress the tape beautifully ;)

@cleggycyclist

3 жыл бұрын

heck yeah, I do that too

When I bought my bike it came setup as tubeless and I was really happy about that. After a bunch of punctures and a few different tyres trying to find ones that resisted punctures better I moved back to a tubed setup and have had way fewer punctures since. You can still run tubed tyres at lower pressures than that indicated on the tyre (there is a video on youtube called something like "your tyres are lying to you" that explains it), although maybe not quite as low as tubless (not sure on that one). However, I am not a racer and can put up with some discomfort when required but the puncture issue is a killer for me (hate trying to sort out a puncture on the side of the road when I'm trying to get to work/home).

Can Alex do a video on how to put on and remove gloves while riding?

I’ve ridden tubeless extensively, even on Lejog. They are a PITA to set up in my experience and a right PITA when you do get a flat (which you still do) you have to fight to get the tyre off the rim, get covered in sealant and put a tube in. Latex tubes in summer, regular in winter .. sorted 👍 Leave tubeless to the mountain bikers folks.

@Andy-sj2dv

3 жыл бұрын

Not with latest wheels , you should watch this all the way; kzread.info/dash/bejne/Z5lnzruJYdOYhbA.html

@TheWoogeroo

2 жыл бұрын

Different tubes in winter? what? Latex tubes are more puncture resistant than butyl anyway. You do not ever need to remove a tubeless tyre once installed if you carry the right plugs. Anything that can't be handled that way would end any tyres life

I have been running tubeless on all three of my road and gravel bikes for the last five and a half years. No issues that a tire plug couldn't deal with, no mess from sealant spray, comfortable ride with the lower tire pressure, superior grip for the same reason. Seated all bar one pair with a frack pump and I used a Co2 inflator to set up the "difficult" set. As Alex would say win, win, win.

I love tubeless for off road, on road tubeless is a disaster! I've seen more riders trying tubeless return to tubes, than stick with them. I've left riders with tubeless to wait for their partners to pick them up, because they can't plug the hole and can't get the tyres off the rim to get a tube fitted.

@Andy-sj2dv

3 жыл бұрын

Later rims are much better , I love mine but when the tyres wear out I'll let the bike shop replace and do the work lol. kzread.info/dash/bejne/Z5lnzruJYdOYhbA.html

@portland675

3 жыл бұрын

I raced latex for years, but as a mechanic, tubeless is so much easier.

@TheAdwills

3 жыл бұрын

Dynaplug for big holes! Takes 30 seconds 😁

@brijlunine6416

3 жыл бұрын

One can always bring a standard tube to avoid getting stranded.

@davidmartin305

3 жыл бұрын

@@brijlunine6416 only yesterday a friend of mine had a puncture that wouldn't seal even with a plug, lost a lot of sealant. He or his riding partner, couldn't get the tyre off the rim. Ended up phoning his wife for a ride home. Wouldn't happen to me with my two spare tubes, puncture repair kit and tyre jacks. Never been picked up for a puncture after 90,000km (as recorded on Strava)

I’ve had more chaos in the last 18 months on group rides because of tubeless tyres than anything else , closely followed by annoying squeaking disk brakes , both totally unnecessary.

I think they're actually almost the same weight between the two tire setup correct me if I'm wrong. Tubeless tires are heavier, sealant + valve makes back the difference.

I'm a recent convert and I shan't be riding tubes again. Although I'm not running low pressures and fat tires, riding 23/25mm Vittoria Corsa Speeds, tubeless makes them practically usable despite the superlight construction and these are so, so fast.

I tried tubeless for a while last year and though I had no problems with them I did have a few concerns, the main one being tyre levers! It’s not so much that it’s one extra thing to carry it’s I don’t like using them. With the combination I was using, GP5000 TLs on DT Swiss rims they are simply way too tight to fit without levers. That’s fine in the workshop but at the roadside, I don’t think so, added to the almost certainty of pinching the inner tube when using tyre levers. I’ve gone back to standard conti 5000s with latex tubes run at 80/70 psi and I cannot feel any difference. However I do know that if I do need to fit a new tube at the roadside I can guarantee to do it quickly and without pinching . So while tubeless is fine for some, sadly not for me.

"it certainly felt nice and comfortable" - you can only feel this when you get paid to feel it.

@poxcr

3 жыл бұрын

You can definitely feel the comfort of lower pressures, but I'd challenge anyone to accurately tell if they're running tubeless or not in a blind test...

@peanutbutterjellyicecream

3 жыл бұрын

@@poxcr yep, that would be a good test if the effect are really noticeable..

@TheAdwills

3 жыл бұрын

I can only say that, at the end of a long ride, I felt beaten up after 4 hours or so running clinchers at 95psi, but much less so with tubeless at 70. However, it's a different bike (Émonda SLR vs Pinarello F8) so obviously more than 1 variable. However after nearly 4,000km on tubeless in 3 months I have had zero punctures, but there are 6 small nicks in the front tyre where sealant has visibly sealed the hole. So that's 6 lots of not having to stand at the roadside for 5-10 minutes.... Agree mostly re ride feel and a blinded trial, though the lower pressures reveal themselves pretty quickly on some of the roads I ride on (again, more than 1 variable)

@mattshane8409

3 жыл бұрын

It’s nearly a night and day difference. You can easily tell if you’re running tubes or tubeless. If you can’t then you’re not “in tune” enough with your bike. I’ve made the switch and now wonder what took so long since I’ve been running tubeless on my MTBs for at least 5 years.

@scuckplexity

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheAdwills and yet, I would still prefer the tube

“Inner tubes are rubbish. I hate them and I am going to tell you why.” “Because I get paid for convincing you you need tubeless tires which leads you to want new wheels that are tubeless compatible, which I just so happen to also market for major cycling brands.”

@GCNalex

3 жыл бұрын

I wish that was the case, haha. 15yrs of being paid to promote tubeless tyres would be amazing. Just trying to give my perspective as someone who has used both tyre types extensively and finds tubeless a lot better all round.

@matthiasschmitt2311

3 жыл бұрын

@@GCNalex I rode tubeless for about 2 years because we where sponsored by schwalbe. You are right, they feel very smooth, fast and give you a lot savier feel while you corner much more agressive. And it saved a race because I once rode the last 20k with a hole in my tyre. BUT if you puncture the sealant is a big mess on the frame, that is very hard to clean. So after we switched to continental as tyre sponsor I had the choice between tlr and normal tyres and change back to normal tyre with latex inner tubes.

I've run road tubeless for over 5 years, about 5000 miles a year. My first tyres were Vittoria, pretty poor, used Giant SR0 or SR1 faultlessly since, never had a puncture on the road that didn't seal until I mashed a sidewall and that got me home at least, I average over 3000 miles per tyre at around 75psi, now trying Conti 5000 and these seem also very good. Handling is far better than tubes, yes the slime is messy, yes I have a compressor, yes I resort to plastic levers at times, yes they need more topping up and yes I replace the slime once a year. But with the roads in northern England and the improved handing and reliability, I'll be on tubeless until they invent something better. I carry a spare tube and a cartridge just in case along with a valve extension and a valve extractor, same as I would for a tubed tyre. Good article, thanks!

LOL, you left out the part where you spent 2 hours setting up the tubeless tires, either because they were too tight and would not go on the rim or too loose and would not seat, even with a compressor. Seriously: I use road tubeless, but it is a huge pain compared to latex tubes.

@CerveloS5rider

3 жыл бұрын

Not if they are Mavic

@ElliotFlowers

3 жыл бұрын

@?????? You don't pay a bike shop to pump up your tyre. Or do you go men only disco's on the continent. With your mum.

@ElliotFlowers

3 жыл бұрын

@?????? I clean up after meself mate. Whether in the shower or the public toilets. Do you think you can own a mechanic just because you have tubeless tyres. Who do you think you are? Richard bloody Branson.!

Alex you are a great addition to the GCN presenter line up! Made the conversion to tubeless look easy too - but are they hard to get on t9 the rims and properly seated?

@alexwipe

Жыл бұрын

Because it is easy 😂

To be honest using certain tyres it's almost irrelevant whether you've got tubes or not! I've had Schwalbe Durano Pluses fitted to my bike for a while now and haven't had a puncture in literally years despite riding around the city constantly. They go over shards of glass and crush them into a fine dust!

@onezweithree

3 жыл бұрын

Sure, but those tires feel like crap and are heavy as hell. The advantage of tubeless is, that you can enjoy light and nimble tires without the increased risk of punctures.

@philipcooper8297

3 жыл бұрын

@@onezweithree That's always the dilema when choosing tyres. Puncture protection vs efficiency. Now, that being said, I can't go tubeless because I wouldn't be bothered to check/replace the sealant everynow and then. With a tube system, all I have to check is the tyre itself and tyre pressure and off I go. I use 28x700c tyres 6 Bar front, 6.5 Bar back, a plenty of comfort.

@onezweithree

3 жыл бұрын

@@philipcooper8297 you are totally right. I am somewhat between the fronts here. On the one hand, tubeless saved me last week on my ride across Germany (500+km in one go). I had two punctures in the front, which both got sealed by the sealant without the need to refill air. On the other hand, my rear tire won’t hold air very well. It will lose around 1bar per day.

@Londoncycleroutes

3 жыл бұрын

@@onezweithree yep fair point if you're using the bike for racing or something like that

Nicely balanced presentation with pure objective data

Tubeless tyres don't stop you getting punctures, they just seal it and often you're not aware of the puncture! Always check your tyres after every ride, it's too late checking them just before heading out with your mates!

@richardh7774

3 жыл бұрын

Tubeless will flat less as they wont pinchflat, they will also be more resilient to punctures as with less pressure than tubes they’ll allow more deflection from debris on the road before allowing a cut. Yes, you should always check your tires at the end of every ride , and check the pressures before you start the next one.

@tobycolin6271

3 жыл бұрын

@@richardh7774 you forget tubeless burp when you hit a square edge pot hole.

@ps6149

3 жыл бұрын

@@richardh7774 Yes. Having to check the pressure before each an every ride is already anoying with my new tubeless setup. They loose aiir much faster than tubes.

@TheAdwills

3 жыл бұрын

@@ps6149 you may not have enough sealant in there - I had the same issue with the road bike. Lost 20-30psi in 48 hours. New tyres will absorb sealant as well as some being used up filling minor leaks. Popped another 15ml in each tyre, now I just have to top up the pressure once a week, no different to my bike running clinchers.

@ps6149

3 жыл бұрын

@@TheAdwills Thanks! I'll give a try!

I converted to tubeless a couple of months ago and I'm with Alex; never going back. People complaining about ease of use are mad; make sure you get compatible tyres and you're good to go. It took me about 15 minutes to setup initially. Tubeless fo' lyfe!

@KoenMiseur

3 жыл бұрын

Don't talk bullshit it's not only about fitting it's also about maintaining it, needing to replace the sealant every 3 months, the shit you have to deal with when the sealant doesn't seal the leak and you need to put in an innertube! I don't know how much flats you have but even in Belgium (where we have very bad roads) I only flat max 5 times a year!

@cleggycyclist

3 жыл бұрын

@@KoenMiseur 3 months? Dunno where you live but I am in the UK and I have ridden over a year without changing sealant and it was still good in that time.

@guidospanoghe8896

3 жыл бұрын

@@cleggycyclist Which sealant do you use? Cafélatex tends to dry out quite quickly in summertime. No Tubes seems to last longer and is easier to clean off.

@cleggycyclist

3 жыл бұрын

@@guidospanoghe8896 Stans

I'd guess the time differences shown in this test are well within the variability range should you have done multiple runs with each setup...

That's a very bold, opening statement there, Mr. Paton 🤣

pretty persuasive. I'm about to give these a go on my new gravel bike. Fingers crossed!

You should do the test at the constant power rating to remove your fatigue from the equation, say one set at 200, then 250, then 300. My only problem with Tubeless is the mess with the sealant an still having to carry a tube in case (which I didn't do for 4500 Kms last summer). Not sure if I will continue the adventure. Furthermore, the constant cost of sealant...

I must admit Alex makes getting the tubeless tires set up on the bike look really easy. I'm not sure how representative that is of most people's experience. I've been using tubeless for a couple of years and I find it's almost always a real hassle. Once they are set up they are great.

@dpstrial

3 жыл бұрын

My experience is not good. To seat my Schwalbe Ones, I had to buy an Airshot cannister to assist my track pump; and even with that combination I could not seat the replacement Hutchinsons. Just in case I had a major mishap out in the wilds and my tyre(s) became unseated, I had to carry backup inner tubes anyway. Also, the Schwalbes wore very rapidly; and although they felt good off-road, on-road they were far too spongy. I now use standard Continental 4 Seasons and they rarely puncture and don't impact my speed too much.

@philipcooper8297

3 жыл бұрын

How often do you replace the sealant?

@dpstrial

3 жыл бұрын

@@philipcooper8297 I used to inject some sealant in about every three months, because it eventually dries and sticks to the tyre wall. Whether this was optimal or not, I can't honestly say. It depends on the ambient temperature and usage, I suppose.

@philipcooper8297

3 жыл бұрын

@@dpstrial Seems like too much work for me.

@dpstrial

3 жыл бұрын

@@philipcooper8297 Topping up the sealant is the easy part. I just removed the valve head and used an ear syringe (of all things) to inject it. The problem was that some rim and tyre combinations just did not work, and they could not be seated without a compressor. MTB tyres, being wider, seem to be much easier to seat from what I have seen on YT.

Tubeless have saved me multiple times. Last weekend I set out for a super long ride. I was unprepared (gloveless) for the blizzard conditions so when I has a bad puncture only half way around and 40miles from home where nobody could have picked me up from, they held pressure at around 20psi for another 20 miles. I carry a spare inner tube, but it'd have been impossible for me to change them when I had no feeling in my hands. It's good to find a combo that is easy enough in normal conditions to stick a tube into if needed. Some wheel/tyre combos are so tight you'll be there ages trying to get the tyre off and on again. They've also self-healed a few times before and it's just a wonderful thing to be able to keep riding!

@why3011

3 жыл бұрын

300 feet down the road from my house I heard and felt sealant spraying as soon as I passed this truck. I just let it seal for a moment and then went for my ride.

I run tubeless in the rear and latex up front, and carry a spare latex tube. This is satisfactory for me because the main advantage of road tubeless over latex is puncture resistance, and you get most punctures in the rear. This is a gravel bike so a tubeless rear tire eliminates snake bite punctures. I didn't set out to do it this way, but after the rear tire set up flawlessly, the front setup was leaky and lost pressure overnight, even though the wheel had tubeless tape preapplied at the factory. In my experience when a tubeless setup doesn't go flawlessly with a tire/rim combination right from the get-go, that combination is always going to remain troublesome. I feel it is important to run lower pressures with tubeless, not just because you can, but I think there's a real danger of blow-off if you go higher than 60 PSI. If you think about most tubeless tires -- in cars, or mountain bikes -- pressures are far lower than road bikes. It might not happen to *you*, but I've had road tires blow off the rim at 65 PSI, fortunately while I was inflating the tire and not riding. Most tubeless tires -- on cars, mountain bikes etc -- run at far lower pressures. When you get to typical historical road bike pressures you need a really precise fit between the tire and rim, which isn't always achieved even in tires and rims from the same manufacturer that are rated for road tubeless.

I also have issues with tubeless. It can be a big mess

Good video, but any attempt at at an accurate test is futile. Too many variables to control for.

@christianmerrett2833

3 жыл бұрын

agreed. way too many variables, also unconscious bias

@chrisvanbuggenum871

3 жыл бұрын

@@christianmerrett2833 need a blind test with a specific wattage, Alex wanted tubeless to win, and so it did.

@thegrowl2210

3 жыл бұрын

@@christianmerrett2833 Unconscious?

@christianmerrett2833

3 жыл бұрын

@@thegrowl2210 yep. Unconscious bias. It’s in all of us.

@thegrowl2210

3 жыл бұрын

I'd say it was fairly conscious bias in this case.

I have mostly used Gatorskin tires. Last year I bought a new endurance bike, and have used GP 5000 with a tubeless setup. In the last 2 months I've had more punctures than the previous 40 years, I think. Yesterday I had two punctures in less than 30 miles. Plus, I had sealant all over me and my bike. Today, I ordered a pair of Gatorskins, and tubes.

Mounted a set of tubeless Scwalbe's to my Hunt wheels, but they rubbed my brake. Needed a C-Clamp to break the bead and remove them. Put the GP5000's back on with supersonic tubes 50g ea. If I ever had a flat on the Schwalbes, I'd be done for on the side of the road. (However, the gravel bike is tubeless!)

I use Schwalbe Aerothan inner tubes and Pirelli Pzero clincher. I think I won’t switch to tubeless for a while. Cheers guys!

Have been using tubeless for a few years now. My biggest complaint is the price and the durability of tubeless tires. I love the feel and prefer it over normal clinchers. However, I find tubeless tires have a shorter lifespan than clinchers.

@terrywrist6427

2 жыл бұрын

thats where they make thier money

@TheWoogeroo

2 жыл бұрын

Is it that you're riding more performance tyres since you switched to tubeless, becuase you can get away with it due to the sealant? I can't see how a mid-range tubeless tyres like a Vittoria Rubino would wear faster in tubeless vs tubed versions. I will say that tubeless tyres are presently massively overpriced, and also most of the common durable armoured tyres that people use for utility / commuting are not yet available tubeless.

Been running schwalbe tubeless for 6 years on three wheel sets now and would never go back to inner tubes. Must have is a tubeless specific track pump to blast the air in fast to seat the tyre. I had punctures but have never noticed until I got home. Only had to repair the large punctures on a few occasions as they could sometimes unseal then seal then unseal as you ride. Repaired with normal puncture kit. Originally tried the park tool instant patch but although they do work they degrade after 6 months. The times i have had to wait for mates during a ride who puncture. Does give me a rest to be honest. There is a technique to getting them on and off but that comes with practice and I can take on and off now with just one park tool tyre lever in seconds. Best bit though is the feel of the ride which is sort of a buttery feel at the lower pressures. 👍👍👍

I've put hundreds of miles on a couple non tubeless wheels set up tubeless with zero problem no tire unseating it self or anything. I've also done over 1000 miles of riding on tubeless wheelsets with again zero problems. Personally I think it's really easy to set them up once you grasp the concept and there are so many benefits.

@trepidati0n533

3 жыл бұрын

Probably the biggest problem with tubeless...people going in with a negative attitude.

I started running tubeless on road bike a few months ago and am very happy, but... when do you know when it's time to add more sealant? My Schwalbe tubeless tires regularly have small beads of sealant permeating through the sidewall - apparently this is normal, but clearly is reducing the amount of sealant in the event of a puncture. #AskGCNTech

@daveheys2699

3 жыл бұрын

Do you make sure you shake up your sealant like crazy before adding it, and keep the bottle upside down when adding sealant so you're not just pouring liquid in? There might be a few bubbles when you first add the sealant and go for a test ride etc but these should solidify and you shouldn't really see any more (unless you get a puncture). That's my experience anyway

@LifeInJambles

3 жыл бұрын

@@daveheys2699 Really depends on the tire and how the sidewall is constructed, but if they're intended for tubeless, then yeah it should seal up.

@cjohnson3836

3 жыл бұрын

Typically I only pump my tires back up on the weekend. If I notice I'm having to add air every 3 or 4 days, I add some more sealant.

Next week, show us how to replace a broken spoke in a tubeless wheel/tyre.

@aidanf2610

3 жыл бұрын

How often do you break a spoke… seems like a nonissue.

Running on 28mm Hutchinson all weather tubeless tyres for a week now. Ride smoothness and control in descents have both improved. Coming from mountain biking, I was missing both of these. So very glad overall. I do however fear the day I have a puncture and have to repair ir on the road.

I've been using tubeless tyres on my roadbike since 4 years and have a longtime experience with latex innertubes and tubulars as well. It makes most sense with wider TL rims and tyres with a diameter of 25 mm or larger run at 5 bar or less. Biggest advantages : less pinchflats and less rolling resistance especially at comfortable ( lower ) tyrepressures. The 2019 Schwalbe Pro One TL are less supple than Vittoria Corsa with a light inner tube though.

Confirmation bias/motivation ("I didn't want to prove myself wrong")

Agreed. The term blow out comes from when cars had inner tubes that could, and did, deflate instantly like a kid party balloon, causing crashes. Cars switched to tubeless tyres because they deflated slowly by comparison. The last thing I want is my front inner tube going instantly flat when I'm hurtling along at 40+ mph downhill. I'd rather have latex sealant on my clothes than road rash, or worse.

I am with Alex on this one. Last April I switched to tubeless and for the first time ever I had zero punctures!!! It made me so confident that I even kept the (light summer racing) tires on during winter riding. Normally I would go to something more robust and slower rolling (and still get flats). I can also agree on having more grip and more comfort but sadly, maybe because I was using latex inner tubes before, I am not faster. Still worth it, though. Not going back.

Alex, I have run tubeless for about two years and love it, converting both bikes. But I have an observation and question for you. I run 25 x 700 on my road bike. If i spin my tubeless front tire inflated 85 lbs after mounting with no sealant they spin for 2 mins 15 seconds consistently. With sealant 1.5 oz carefully done per specs and swishing the sealant around in the rim, they either spin for 55 seconds or even less 45 seconds under two experiments. Can you explain this? I not feel I am losing speed...sadly, but don't really know on the road. Thank you

@tman5634

Жыл бұрын

This is an easy explanation & one that should have been answered by now. It's a shame he's not bothered to do so, unless he can't fathom out the answer for you. Let's give him a few days more. A clue is, the more sealant you add, the quicker the wheel spin will stop.

whats the relative power spend between these three? or how about blind testing to remove any pushing harder bias thats inevitable

Tubeless is so good now I just carry mini pump and tyre worms for emergencies. Most punctures seal themselves and tyre worms sort the rest 👍

@benschuttenbeld

3 жыл бұрын

Which brand of tyre worms do you use for a racing bike? It seems that most of them are for mtb's...

5 years tubeless on my mountain bike. No punctures. 2 years ok the road bike ( about 10,000 miles ) no punctures. I’m sticking with it. But carry a tube, just in case !

I was all in for tubeless tires on my road bike, after all, I've been using tubeless on my MTB for years now. But a couple years ago I bought this kevlar tire liner, installed them, and flats were thing of the past. I use tires to wear, even with big cuts that tubeless tires couldn't handle.

@jeremysart

2 жыл бұрын

Got a link, model number or brand name? I'm interested.

I 'm more into latex innertubes, because I can fix em on the road. Rolingresistance is also low, I guess ! ? Enjoy your show. Hello from Berlin. Torsten

@SergioGarcian_n

3 жыл бұрын

How do you fix a Latex tube, just use a regular patch for butyl tubes?

@ytyehyeh

3 жыл бұрын

@@SergioGarcian_n Yes.

@torstenkother3987

3 жыл бұрын

@@SergioGarcian_n A normal 'Tip-Top-patch' works perfect.

I run tubeless exclusively now and love the comfort factor and the fewer punctures👍🏼

I got into cycling again 20-odd years ago l, I'm now 58 so a bit traditional but willing to try new things cautiously. I bought a gravel bike 2 years ago which came already setup as tubeless (3T Exploro Ltd with Hunt wheels). 1st time I had a puncture that was too big for the sealant to fix convinced me how brilliant they are - used a Dynaplug and fixed it in about 30 seconds, no need for a tube. Bought an MTB a few months ago, same scenario, running about 25psi. Soft sand etc just isn't an issue. So I bought a new road bike recently - Trek Emonda SLR with Hunt 44UD wheels and Pirelli P-Zero Race TLR SL tyres, tubeless of course. 3,700km later they are almost down to the wear limit, there are 6 small holes in the front tyre that have all self sealed (so that's 6 sets of standing at the roadside putting a new tube in that I've avoided) and the increased comfort is astonishing - longest ride was 6 hours and I felt fine whereas the previous bike (OK not just the wheels and tyres that were different) left me feeling beaten up after 3-4 hours. Think I'm running too high pressure though - 25 psi on the MTB, 40psi on the gravel bike but 70 on the road bike 😅

I have a road bike that came with tubeless. I had a thorn in my tyre that I didn’t notice until I got home. So I was happy initially, yes it costs much more, there is much more maintenance and it only saves 0.4 watts over a tube. But not having to fix a puncture on a cold dark rainy night made it worth it. Subsequently I have also had 2 punctures from glass that made a hole too large to plug. So I ended up taking about 30 minutes each time to fit a tube. On my other bikes I can change a tube in be on my way in 10 minutes. On the roads I ride it is usually thorns in hedge trimming season or glass in towns that causes punctures. I think I will keep them on my bike for the time being to get some more experience with them, but I wouldn’t recommend them to anyone who can easily replace a tube on a road bike. I have paid for all the extra equipment now so I have some sunk cost in tubeless. If you are on a budget definitely avoid or if you are not good with maintenance again definitely avoid.

Great work guys My question is this, why do some pro riders on the tour use clincher with inner tubes?

@johnandrews3568

3 жыл бұрын

Most pros still ride tubs. Good reason for that.

@ytyehyeh

3 жыл бұрын

The claim I've heard is that the ones doing so are generally using the absolute lowest rolling resistance setup for a time trial, and for now, that is still a clincher and latex tube. There might also be some riders whose team wheel sponsor's maximum aerodynamic setup is on clinchers only and they either aren't allowed, or aren't gaining anything, running a competitor's tubular (or I suppose tubeless) aero wheelset.

@ElliotFlowers

3 жыл бұрын

From over a million subscribers, some gibberish must rise to the top.

@adrianyuen

2 жыл бұрын

They're using high end clinchers with latex tubes. Latex tubes have a nice ride feel, but they're expensive and don't hold air very well in my experience. And it hurts when they flat. They can be repaired but are way more finicky than regular butyl. And they're not good with heat.

@ElliotFlowers

2 жыл бұрын

Because they hold it in when you over a bump. Two layers of protection against that cold hard bitch of a road they call 'the race'.

New bars on the Orbea Orca? They look a bit like Gravel Bars.

@neelsahay5227

3 жыл бұрын

This style is super popular for fixie crit, been around decades tho

I run tubeless with my Giant SLR 1 wheelset. I get my LBS to fit my Conti GP5000 TL when they need replacing, which he does for £12. I’ve only had 2 punctures in 3 years of riding tubeless, love it.

Been tubeless for almost a year, but had to ride a tube in my rear the last week and surprised I really felt it. I mostly love the lack of flats from the little things like thorns and glass and pinches!!

A friend told me that the only time they have walked home after a puncture was with tubeless, that puts me off

@cjohnson3836

3 жыл бұрын

Counter anecdote. I've had 3 punctures on a 10km commute with tubes. Was walking home. Had 1 puncture over the entirety of last year on my tubeless bike (that runs many more miles than the one with tubes).

@carolinelief9132

3 жыл бұрын

@@cjohnson3836 good to know, thanks

@portland675

3 жыл бұрын

10x as many issues with tubes than with tubeless

Seems like you should do this blind - without knowing which tire you are on!

I agree with you 💯, besides the obvious smooth ride and the incredible difference of 20 pounds or so, the chances of getting a flat just seem lower. I still carry an inner tube in case the puncture sealant fails ! Great video

Have read much about the conversion, still I am not sold on the idea. Happy that you like tubeless. Nice comparison, nice ride and video. God Bless, stay safe.

Tubeless yes on mtb and gravel, HELL NO on road, I maybe have 5 flat tires in a year it's a lot easier to replace a tube than to maintain tubeless tires and to replace an innertube when u do have a flat that your sealant can't seal (if I look at my flats that could happen a few times a year)!

Would be interesting to attach a couple of accelerometer data loggers to the front and back and get actual numbers for the differences in g forces from the road impacts

I love your style of posts dude. Informative and very clear. I agree about tubeless too. Like riding on a silk road!

I have just done the change to Tubeless Tyres, only 2 rides in so far but I can feel the difference all round. I was skeptic about the change, I was running Continental 5000 but had a number of punctures in a week, I thought I would give it a go. My Easton wheels were already TL ready, they had the tape in and the bike came with the valves. ProBike selling the Cont 5000 TL cheap at 79 for a pair of 25c. So went for it.