No, the default assumption about what a person is in ancient greece is a featherless biped.

@nottrustworthy6361

5 жыл бұрын

BEHOLD!! A MAN!! 🍗🍗

@alyrar8002

5 жыл бұрын

Featherless is in no way a given lol

@nixtheclause9984

5 жыл бұрын

AH! IT’S A HUMAN!

@dropkicksofthemurphys9696

5 жыл бұрын

Diogenes begs to differ.

@VictoriaMeira7

5 жыл бұрын

*Diomedes has joined the chat

I'm a man. A manly man. I wear tights and roam around the forest looking for fights.

@RogueT-Rex8468

3 жыл бұрын

You look like a pansy.

@sunny-qk3uk

3 жыл бұрын

Link?

@slBrelaz

3 жыл бұрын

Tight tights! No link, it's from an old movie called Robin Hood: Men in Tights.

@harisankarkk2200

3 жыл бұрын

I like how you're named foxcat gaming despite that lol

@asimplethievingbat5978

3 жыл бұрын

Heh, I can appreciate that reference

I've always found it kinda weird that being a good cook isn't considered a manly trait when the culinary world can be one of the most difficult for women to get a foothold in due to it being such a dude-centric career for so many years. Ratatouille scratched the surface on this.

@bettyunicorn6132

3 жыл бұрын

Cool.

@CollinBuckman

3 жыл бұрын

It's because of the fame and prestige of it. Generally, cooking domestically is considered a feminine thing, while cooking professionally is considered masculine.

@justlesym9014

3 жыл бұрын

@@CollinBuckman yh simelar to (idk if its a purely European thing) To hairdressers and Barbers, most of them are female yet most Shops are Lead by men since the Stereotype insists that male barber is an "artist" while a female one is considered an airhead that couldnt get any other good work

@JohanKylander

3 жыл бұрын

It's like It's only feminine if you're bad at it.

@MrSirFluffy

3 жыл бұрын

I feel like this isn't a real stereotype. I think she made some pretty random assumptions. Even the picture of Vegeta she brought up was a good cook, he made some dope food instantly for Beerus. I think maybe this is a stereotype woman have, because dudes don't think cooking is feminine. Heck, grilling is considered very manly amongst men. I think this vid sheds a light on how WOMAN view men, and how they ASSUME we see things. I feel like half this video is wrong or misguided.

I believe Markiplier to be the default human. That's why there's a character in every piece of media who looks like him.

@diniiantares

2 жыл бұрын

I waited to watch this video until now exactly for your comment to exist.

@theplutonimus

2 жыл бұрын

@@diniiantares what ?

@cykesgaming393

2 жыл бұрын

I guess you have a point. Mark's whole look and personality just feels like the kind of person every man wants to be. But that kinda contradicts a few things, even if you use Mark's look and personality as the default human, that doesn't mean he HAS to be that. You can just be yourself, albeit good or bad.

@presochoclo6982

2 жыл бұрын

Markiplier is peak human evolution

@cherrycola542

2 жыл бұрын

Vander from Arcane:

“Totally lovable, weedy nerds who never really saw the point in beefing up” you can say Blue, it’s okay.

@XwX1001

4 жыл бұрын

He is best boi.

@creanatexincludes8605

4 жыл бұрын

Best

@Fishbiene

4 жыл бұрын

Megan Lange I don’t get the reference

@XwX1001

4 жыл бұрын

@@Fishbiene Blue's another host on the channel. He makes videos on history and culture and such, while Red here makes videos on books and tropes and such. His content's pretty good, too. If you need to research a part of history, he's your man!

@gustavowadaslopes2479

4 жыл бұрын

@@Fishbiene Blue is the other content creator from the channel and fits those characteristics.

“Making a mistake is like coughing; happens all the time in real life, not so much in movies” I literally haven’t recovered from that truth bomb after 2 years. Send help

@mynameiswritinwater

4 жыл бұрын

happens all the time in the movies. Big difference is, few people notice, even fewer point it out. The there is also the fact of "different morality" and perhaps the audience having meta-information^^ Also would like to point out that male protagonists fairly often screw the pooch, leading to a redemptive arc in the story. say... recent Star Trek (uhh also a female superior to poor Kirk), recent "the Expanse": less common in superhero movies though

@androkguz

4 жыл бұрын

@@mynameiswritinwater the expanse is very much into debunking tropes and gender equality and it's also a very recent story. We are only starting to notice those things and so there are more exceptions now a days than there were only ten years ago.

@mynameiswritinwater

4 жыл бұрын

@@androkguz well the Expanse was written, ahem published in 2011 so almost the decade so it is _NOT_ recent (ironically by the research assistants of GRR Martin most whose female characters fall into a more classic female role - with the exception of Brienne and Arya who are noted as "the exception") and I do not really think the authors started a trend, they were just picking up on life's realities... perhaps I know too many succesful and strong women also ... Red is again quoting rather selectively here to make her point. say "Ghost in the Shell"s protagonist is female, many of the Full Metal Alchemists protagonists are female ( on both sides ); Kyoukai No Kanata is filled with mostly female protagonists, all of which never try to take a cloak of feminism to grab for attention.... and one could extend that list at leisure..

@mynameiswritinwater

4 жыл бұрын

@@androkguz there is also another _unintentional_ problem at work here, the fact that the english language uses "strong" to both characterize physical strength (usually less present in most female characters ) and dominance of the plot/admiration of a story. it's different in other languages. say, In German Stark (strong) vs great (gross, grossartig)...pretty sure that holds true for many other languages. ..besides, there is the cultural bias that male strength is linked to beauty/handsomeness (with causing physcially weaker man "effeminate" ) while that is less the case for female (looking at most models here). And those female heroes who are "strong and beautiful" (say, Wonder Woman ) , it is usually magic/the force/superpowers that explain the brute physical strength on a smaller and well proportioned female frame ?

@androkguz

4 жыл бұрын

​@@mynameiswritinwater The books of the expanse are not exactly like the show, though. And a decade *is* recent. Specially when dealing with tropes such as this that are so long lived.

The Virgin modern masculinity: -"why would I read, that's nerd stuff bro" -drinks beer -only trait is being strong. -chases women - Just a farmer at best The Chad Roman Masculinity: - Owns a library -Ingests wine - Has a range of skills from running to sword fighting - Has a wife, and a boyfriend. - Owns a farm, is a senator, and had held a military position

@user-lv8dn8gw9z

3 жыл бұрын

Where did this "the Romans were gay" shit come from, I understand the Greek case (although it is massively overstated) but it just seems to come out of nowhere for the Romans

@cherrypopscile3385

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-lv8dn8gw9z well let's see: The fact emperor Hadrian had a boyfriend, who he literally deified after said boyfriend died Emperor trajan often having his way with men Sulla having Both a wife and a boyfriend in his retirement The fact Rome had a spesific insult related to being A bottom, instead of a top. The fact there were no laws around it until Jesus book came along is also a pretty good hint. How is the idea that a phenomenon that occurs in nature, with multiple animals, and a thing that is all but proven to not be a choice in humans, would be a common cultural thing in a society without Christianity?

@user-lv8dn8gw9z

3 жыл бұрын

@@cherrypopscile3385 Christ is King 💪

@AGrumpyPanda

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-lv8dn8gw9z It came from basically the same place as the Greek case. Some places it was more or less prevalent.

@mvmsma

3 жыл бұрын

@@cherrypopscile3385 Surely, if there were gay romans, that means all of them were gay

Red: "Being good at cooking is considered girly" Brock: "Oh, so that's why none of the women I hit on seem interested." Misty: "No, that's because you're a creep."

@zerosen1972

2 жыл бұрын

GET BACK IN THE SACK - Brock

@Spacebattler

2 жыл бұрын

This is Brock slander and I will not stand for it

@batrian4166

2 жыл бұрын

Brock slander is punishable by brocksimilation

@thegloriouskingkronk8422

2 жыл бұрын

"I'll use my trusty frying pan, as a drying pan!"

@fantasy873

2 жыл бұрын

Whenever there's a male character in anime or other forms of media that falls in love with every girl they see, I call them a Brock. Not sure what to call a female character that does that (but with men) though. Any ideas?

"I could go the rest of my life without watching another forced romantic subplot" Oh my god yes. Please stop forcing terrible romance into everything.

@cloudkitt

4 жыл бұрын

The worst part is that even if you don't, the fandom will :/

@thelordandsaviorgigachadrr888

4 жыл бұрын

@@cloudkitt cough cough sonic and amy. I am a scarred man

@paintbrushes9329

4 жыл бұрын

Yes!

@neileapenninan8706

4 жыл бұрын

Is your profile pic the bloodborne rune??

@ShadowZealot7

4 жыл бұрын

@@neileapenninan8706 Yup

We need more characters like the DOOM Eternal Doomguy, since he: A. Has no canonical love interest; B. Has several memorials for his late pet rabbit Daisy, including an adorable painting of the two together; C. Collects action figures, comic books and records, has the shareware versions of the original Doom games, and D. Considering the presence of the pun-filled cooking magazine, he can probably cook. Also he has a mech designed by the bloke who created the Jaegers, which helps.

@deadtempleknight.6332

3 жыл бұрын

Don't forgot the book about Moustache tending by one Mr. Fishbach

@wrenbeck3370

3 жыл бұрын

@zain mudassir Honestly I don't watch anime, so I wouldn't know.

@mslightbulb

3 жыл бұрын

I love fictional pet owner cute relationships.

@mslightbulb

3 жыл бұрын

zain mudassir ah, the amazing one track mind trope.

@taerikee

3 жыл бұрын

Wait a minute. Is Doom Guy a Mary Sue?

Just a clarification from someone that spent 7 years in the army. If someone is called something like "full metal bitch" then that is 100% meant as a compliment and not a pejorative. It's like "tough bastard". My unit was nicknamed "the lousy mangy dogs" and we wore the name like a badge of honor.

@gregjayonnaise8314

2 жыл бұрын

I feel like if I ever get called a “full-metal Bitch”, it means I’ve peaked

@blockhead134

2 жыл бұрын

I was gonna say that name is brutal as hell and would be more like a title than a mocking nickname

@mattpluzhnikov519

2 жыл бұрын

It caaaan be a pretty badass nickname/moniker, folks...but context can be VERY important in certain situations, and this? This is one of 'em. To the best of my recollection, other soldiers are contemptuous towards her character because the adversaries in the setting are just THAT hard to fight, so her being able to survive multiple skirmishes is 1) making eeeeeveryone else look bad, by comparison, and 2) actually pretty suspicious. The suspicious/weird nature of her longevity isn't an issue for the audience for long, though, as we, unlike the regular soldiers, DO get to see/understand why she's such an outlier when it comes to getting killed in combat.

@Fangs1978

2 жыл бұрын

@@mattpluzhnikov519 I have no idea how you get the idea that the other soldiers found her contemptuous. They were all in awe of her.

@johnmendez9525

Жыл бұрын

Full metal alchemist

The coughing thing reminds me of the Witcher when everybody is like „Princess Pavetta threw up, she must be pregnant“ and nobody is like „Well, we’re literally at a banquette, maybe she’s drunk“

@Alresu

2 жыл бұрын

She's a princess though. We all know that nobles do not get drunk.

@catbatrat1760

2 жыл бұрын

@@Alresu Agreed. They drink plenty of wine if they're just that fancy, but getting drunk isn't fancy.

@coltonwilliams4153

Жыл бұрын

Fucking nobility. You can’t get dust in your eye without someone claiming that it’s a sign that your having debauched orgies with a dozen married people.

@XZaiter

Жыл бұрын

As I remember, case was not in fact that she threw up, but in her suddenly appeared magical power

@nataliaborys1554

Жыл бұрын

@@catbatrat1760 Okay, but tolerance to alcohol varies. Some people get 6 shots of vodka and function fairly ok,while others drink 2 beers and throw up.

"It seems weird to me that fictional dudes are either in a relationship, trying to be in a relationship, or trying to get over a relationship. I mean, god don't you get tired?" YES. YES I GET TIRED.

@josephdavis9234

7 жыл бұрын

All the freaking time. And I'm never even in the first state, just constantly in the second and third at the same time.

@stevepenn2582

7 жыл бұрын

I think it comes from the fact that we are expected to be the chasers. So if a character doesn't have a prospective girl in their life they are a failure of a male.

@stevepenn2582

7 жыл бұрын

I think it comes from the fact that we are expected to be the chasers. So if a character doesn't have a prospective girl in their life they are a failure of a male.

@katiehunter6877

6 жыл бұрын

It's especially bad when you're someone like me who prefers friendship over romance. Can a character not do something nice for another character without it being because of romance?

@hansbrackhaus8017

6 жыл бұрын

Think of "non heteronormative relationship BS" as "evil empires". This is Brunhelgatron, she is a warrior woman. She beat the big bad, hooray, she is a hero! aaaand cut! Alright, this concludes the movie! "But uh, what about the after story?" "Would you pay 15 bux to see a sequel of her dying alone, childless, eaten by her pet cats? No children no continuation and who would want to have a family with this gnarled sinewy meat slab of a pit fighter woman who lost her eye and one of her arms in the final battle? Not to mention the 9001 kicks and punches to the womb she suffered." Everybody looks at their shoes. Now, if the hero were a dude, then he could lose everything but his ballsack and tinklewutz in the final battle and we could probably see someone going "at least he can still be a father! Preserve those awesome hero genes!"

0:34 concerning this I've once seen a interview where George RR Martin was asked why Loras and Renly were gay, or why there were gays in general in his story and he said "well i noticed that there are gay people in the world"

@trap-chan

4 жыл бұрын

The reson why Peopel ask why is that carekter not streit,with,male is becouse thay normaly atatch an agender in the plot In the super girl show evry man is an bumbeling inkompetetnt jerk Evry female carekter is awsome and skilt The next problem is that divers carekters are often token carekters Mening that the careczers carekter is that he is gay and nothing more

@krankarvolund7771

4 жыл бұрын

@@trap-chan "In the super girl show evry man is an bumbeling inkompetetnt jerk " The three main male characters, Hank Henshaw/Jon J'onzz, Jimmy Olsen and Winn are perfectly able characters that help Kara by their own means. I mean, you have a super alien almost as strong as a kryptonian, a black love-interest who became a superhero despite not having powers, and a super intelligent hacker who can break down pretty muc anything and even impress an AI of the future, if this is incompetent character, I wonder what's a competent character XD

@givemeshrubs4295

4 жыл бұрын

@@trap-chan wow that is an interesting way of writing a comment.

@The_Bird_Bird_Harder

4 жыл бұрын

@@givemeshrubs4295 *impressively skilled way of writing a comment

@tttheemeraldsword7528

4 жыл бұрын

@@trap-chan ye gods

For an example of what happens when a male hero makes a mistake, look no further than Star-Lord punching Thanos in Infinity War. I don't think his rep will ever recover.

@masonjones7777

2 жыл бұрын

My biggest gripe is not that he did it, but that nobody bothered to stop him, nebula wasn't preoccupied and could have stopped him. I'm not mad at her either though, I'm simply mad at the writing leading up to that moment.

@Rayziyun

2 жыл бұрын

Star Lords flaws include immaturity and impulsiveness, and he's not the sharpest knife in the spoon drawer. So I'm not sure this applies as just a mistake, but I'm open to debate

@thedontpanic

Жыл бұрын

That's not what Red meant. She was talking about simple human error that is unrelated to a person's flaws of character. With Moana, she makes a mistake by simply misjudging whether or not she could make it past in time, and this is not really explained by any character flaw she is presented to have. She just screws up for no other reason than the plot being that way and has to deal with the consequences, albeit she gets a retry and succeeds. In contrast, Starlord is a known hothead, and he got riled up enough at Thanos to punch him, which made the whole team's efforts fall through. He's not good at keeping his emotions in check, even when literally half the universe hinges on him not freaking out. Red compared simple human error to coughing. In reality, it's commonplace, while in fiction, it pretty much only happens when there's something else important that makes the cough or the human error relevant or necessary.

@GamefreakNGC

Жыл бұрын

That was a character defined bad decisions, not what shes talking about

@peculiarcanine9443

Жыл бұрын

@@thedontpanic i mean, you can argue the moana example could be her positive traits manifesting negatively she's shown to be pretty stubborn and corageous throughout the movie, and has always succeeded up untill that point. maybe her misjudging is a byproduct of her confidence, just not explicitly stated as such

I had a manly man(tm) in a game of Pathfinder once. A Barbarian so lost in the manly trope that he wielded a magic mug in each hand that had infinite alcohol in them. As per his Drunken Rager archetype he got buffs for being shitfaced. He could use these mugs like maces in combat. So he never had a reason to put them down, and he never did. Real dudebro personality. Lumberjack's grit and Vikings stoicism, topped off with a frat boy's energy and a convict's patience. I wanted to see where I could take him as a character. Efficient as he was in combat, even while concerningly sloshed, I wasn't blind to how one-note he was. At level seven I took the leadership feat. Who should pop up in a tavern other than his own nerdy wizard son. The exact opposite of his father in every way. Pale, weak, underspoken, studious, knowledgable, could read, so on and so forth. I liked the dynamic between father and son. Throughout the adventure they changed each other. Manly man dad pushed his son, perhaps too hard, and often on purpose. His son began pushing back. Family means family, no matter what. By the end of the game manly man dad quit drinking and even grew more uh... personable. Meek son stayed a nerd, but learned to stand up for himself and be assertive, a simple act that made his father endlessly proud. In the end the greatest obstacle was for the Barb to accept his son for the nerd he was. A challenge made infinitely easier when he learned fireball and began nuking shit.

@SpaceSoups

2 жыл бұрын

chicken run?

@kaleoarnold3709

2 жыл бұрын

Ah, wonderful story

@EstebanW-zu8xb

2 жыл бұрын

*wipes away tears* It's beautiful...

@themicahman3741

2 жыл бұрын

Respect+++

@maxanderson3733

2 жыл бұрын

Why can’t this be a three hour movie or a TV series?

"fictional dudes are in a relationship, getting a relationship, or getting over a relationship. Doesn't that get tiring?" Yes, yes it does. For the fictional and real dudes both.

@lythist1849

4 жыл бұрын

For females too. It’s just annoying. Not everyone has to end up dating everyone at some point people like I get it maybe a they do end up together but it’s not a guarantee. One of my least favorite things that happen in a story is when every single character ends up with another one. Like every character has to have a girlfriend/boyfriend/non-binary relationship with someone. So annoying and predictable.

@mvmlego1212

4 жыл бұрын

As Lythist points out, it's annoyingly convenient when every protagonist in a story that has very little to do with romance ends up romantically paired off, because it's simply not realistic. However, that's a different thing than guys _pursuing_ romantic relationships. In real life, I think that most single guys are under the impression that if they don't take initiative to pursue romance, then they'll never get any.

@Hyperversum3

4 жыл бұрын

@@mvmlego1212 Well, that's a thing present at least in western culture even today. Basically: 1) A dude isn't complete or successful if he doesn't have either an happy family life or is a playboy. And even in this case, the older you get the less acceptable is to be a playboy with no Kids. If you did your job and got kids and then the marriage ends, you are again allowed to be an happy single playboy. 2) The man gotta do the first move most of the time, therefore if he isn't pursuing actively a romantic interest he will never have the woman fall for him and accept him.

@lescobrandon8443

4 жыл бұрын

Some of us "dudes" don't want a relationship of any kind. Just too much headache. Call me what you want. I just have no desire to be in any relationship, of any kind, including one night stand crap. I am proof not all men want a relationship. Not all men chase women.

@jamesfitzgerald1684

4 жыл бұрын

Seems like real life. I don't know one guy who either isnt in a relationship, looking for a relationship, or getting over a relationship.

"Fictional dudes are almost always either in a relationship, trying to be in a relationship, or trying to get over a relationship" I mean.... it's pretty expected of non-fictional dudes too

@clockworklemon9243

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah. Really is the male plight.

@YaGirlJuniper

4 жыл бұрын

Speaking as someone who formerly considered herself a dude, y'all do it to yourselves lmao.

@karfsma778

4 жыл бұрын

@@YaGirlJuniper I mean, I've been single for over five years lol. I was just saying it was expected, not that it was something we all were actually like.

@AegixDrakan

3 жыл бұрын

@@YaGirlJuniper Yes, yes we do. And we then proceed to do it to each other. Being Asexual at the very least lifts a whole lot of that burden once I can get whomever thinks my singleness is a "problem" to accept that, yes really, I don't care and, yes really, I'm totally ok with it. XD

@twoscarabsintheswarm9055

3 жыл бұрын

@@YaGirlJuniper I'm sorry what? So the idea that fictional and non fictional dudes are in or are getting over a relationship is this fault?

The superior non-toxic manly man is Aragorn. Kicks ass, loves poetry, strong leader, good to his friends and family. S tier role model.

@bjjkickboxing7876

Жыл бұрын

Issue: Would be the most generic and boring main character ever. Bro could baisclt be every red ranger ever

@daviddaugherty2816

Жыл бұрын

​@bjjkickboxing7876 In the books, I'll give you that. I found movie Aragon's self-doubt both interesting and relatable.

@bjjkickboxing7876

Жыл бұрын

@@daviddaugherty2816 yeah that happens a lot in adaptations. Directors and script writers reslise mid adaptations that those characters are one dimentional and uninteresting, and add a little spice to make it betta

I think my favourite exception to this one would be Aang from the Avatar: the Last Air Bender cartoon, he's super empathetic, is almost never fighting with brute force, and has a primarily evasion based move set, which is super uncommon in main heroes.

@elizabethshaw7472

Жыл бұрын

Yet another reason that show is the best

@jlinus7251

Жыл бұрын

Avatar is one of those shows that just somehow does everything right.

@wjzav1971

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing. This also goes for Zuko and Sokka. Neither fill the classic "manly man" stereotype. Sokka is a fighter, but he primarily fills the role of the goofball/nerd (given that he is the idea guy). And Zuko is more of the brooding rogue. If anything, the one in the Gaang that fits that trope the most would be Toph, since she is rather loud, brutish, sometimes gross and has a habit of boasting and taunting her enemies.

"Female mentors tend to have masculine traits." That does explain Cooking Mama's five o' clock shadow.

@wickederebus

3 жыл бұрын

*Opens FGO* Scathach Lord of Shadows Boudica Da Vinci Marie O. Sanzang I mean, there are counterpoints, but these are the supporting examples. . .

@wickederebus

3 жыл бұрын

@@Alexeon im aware. That is part of the joke.

@Padrier958

3 жыл бұрын

I don't necessarily agree with this. Being strong is a manly trait? Like Olivia in FMA? She's strong and ruthless, set in her ways. But I always saw her as just a strong character. Saying it is inherently male to be strong will inherently cause almost all female mentors in any media manly. Why? Because most media is of action. FMA is about fighting, and military. Edward and Als mentor is also a strong woman, masculine because she fights? Boss from MGS3 is an insanely strong woman. Is she masculine because of that? Why is "being strong" equal to being a man? It's like the trope talk completely missed that, even though it made mention of it earlier.

@inazuma2332

3 жыл бұрын

@@Padrier958 and thats literally the styreotype put as manly in the first place by western media

@inazuma2332

3 жыл бұрын

@@Padrier958 and masculine has already been grouped into the styreotype of being badass, very strong, yada yada yknow. Its all grouped, so thats why ppl no matter the gender , identify if its a masculine or feminine trait , for the term "manly/girly" its probably because of how we sued to assume what girls and boys typically fall into tho now you should accept that its not bad if youre into these "girly" or "manly" stuff

“You just need to push the right buttons to get them to do what you want” Me: “So it is a dating simulator”

@kingkasdin9767

3 жыл бұрын

As a matter of fact, the niceties still exist, people just stopped bothering with fake after they caught on to the fakery and the fakes got upset and became sore losers and tore down their own enterprise to spite and prevent genuine people because no one was buying it. That's what changed.

@kingkasdin9767

3 жыл бұрын

Well technically also those buttons are more, turn ons and turn off, etc, but that's other things. Likes, dislikes, oxytocin, dopamine, endorphins, pleasure, confidence, trust, risk, bravery, honesty, etc all are factors, and play a part. The little things matter. These may count as buttons. But psychology is full of these references as different than they are typically used or meant. But they still count more accurately than crowd chatter.

@rodrigomateodelgadodelacru8154

3 жыл бұрын

A B now you are sword

@hailghidorah2536

3 жыл бұрын

@@rodrigomateodelgadodelacru8154 excellent

@cookie_enjoyer

2 жыл бұрын

I am so bad at any social interactions I fail dating simulators.

People don’t think Frodo is a badass? He resisted the one ring long enough to get it to mount doom That requires a ridiculous amount of willpower

@nachomolaolivera7580

Жыл бұрын

Also he is definitely not that physically promint, which makes all he is done even more badass.

@orangeinkius7257

Жыл бұрын

Ehh it's kinda complicated, being a badass and being a strong character aren't always identical, but there is a lot of overlap, plenty of characters are "strong" without ever having to fight anyone because their strength is in a way that's not physically fighting, like they're very brave and strong-willed or they're great at diplomacy and keeping people on their side or they're just really smart and make a habit of outwitting people, the badass archetype is much more... punching and shooting centric

@thisstatementisfalsenothin5312

Жыл бұрын

@@orangeinkius7257 nah Frodo is still a badass He’s not physically imposing he’s one other smallest races in his world but resisting the one ring alone is insanely impressive

@orangeinkius7257

Жыл бұрын

@@thisstatementisfalsenothin5312 I feel like you're equating badass with "cool character who I like", a badass is someone who's fluent in violence not just any character that's cool or impressive in Any way imaginable, theres just a lot of overlap beacuse physical violence takes up like 85% of all fiction ever

@thisstatementisfalsenothin5312

Жыл бұрын

@@orangeinkius7257 no you’re just too limited in your thinking of what a badass is You don’t have to be good at hurting things to be a badass most badass stories are stories of incredible will power Look at Hugh Glass he was mauled by a bear and left for dead but he dragged himself dozens of miles to survive that’s not just violence it’s will power Same with say Batman going out and fighting after having several bones, including his spine broken that’s not just violence it’s willpower John wick fighting with 3 movies worth of injuries The most badass moments come from displays of sheer will not just violence Homelander from the boys is violent but you wouldn’t argue he’s a badass Frodo is weak but he’s still a badass because he could resist the one ring which is so tempting that literally anyone would fail to resist it but he got it to mount doom Another example of a character who’s not very physically strong but is still a stone cold badass is Gus from breaking bad They were being shot at by snipers and Gus walked out in plain view of them and just stared them down

Goosebumps “My best friend is invisible” is actually a great story of how you perceive characters in your mind despite there being no factual evidence that they were ever that way.

@edisontrent618

2 жыл бұрын

That was easily one of the best books I read as a kid. That and "The Blob That Ate Everyone".

@whatismylife6927

4 ай бұрын

Oh Goosebumps… I used to be terrified of the machine/doll/puppet dude in a suit and the pink poodle, though now I can’t remember their names.

I personally find it weird for a male protagonist NOT to be able to cook and sew. My dad taught me these things, and drilled in my head that a proper man supports his family more than just earning money to afford things. A man should be capable in many things, not just a select few. Being a "badass" doesn't just have to mean that the protagonist/antagonist male is a skilled fighter.

@Dekunutcase

5 жыл бұрын

I find that the men I know who crochet usually are the buff, independent types. They are secure in their manhood enough to be able to fix their own clothes or make their own beanies or whatever.

@2MeterLP

5 жыл бұрын

I can cook better than my mom but I cant sew at all. This whole "proper man" thing makes no sense.

@chaosblues7869

5 жыл бұрын

There is no such thing as being a “proper man”

@welshbandit7208

5 жыл бұрын

Yo Everybody, stop feeding the troll!! They're really not worth the effort. Also, how are you all gonna sleep on Joseph? Dude did drag w/o batting an eye, failed a bluff check against Straitso, and only ever shed tears over his month long Italian lover Cesar!

@ReddwarfIV

5 жыл бұрын

I was never taught to sew, but I've still done it to fix things like coats and flags.

"Cooking isn't considered manly" Gordon Ramsay would like to have a talk with you

@whafflete6721

4 жыл бұрын

*_Puts two slices of bread besides red's head_* "What are you?"

@jslblaze8290

4 жыл бұрын

As would Sanji.

@brianfrommars

4 жыл бұрын

in Stall _AN IDIOT SANDWICH_ 🥪

@basilofgoodwishes4138

4 жыл бұрын

@@jslblaze8290 Dude, he is a loser, screw him.

@PsychoSavager289

4 жыл бұрын

Correction: Gordon Ramsay would like to shout expletives at you.

"I know my fair share of totally lovable weedy nerds that never really saw the point in beefing up" *blue has been summoned*

Oh my goodness yes. Fanbases go crazy when characters make mistakes. Every character has to be perfect! No, they don't, and their flaws are what make them beautiful.

@JohnBread69

2 жыл бұрын

You're still talking about written 'character trait' flaws, X person wasn't able to do Z because they were overconfident or X person is forced to do Z because they physically/mentally/morally can't choose otherwise and not they just fucked up because it was a 50/50 shot anyway. We don't stub our toes because we are pridefilled and don't take into regard safety or something, you stub your toe because it just happens. Fanbases go crazy when characters screw up for no reason, not because they're not perfect, they want everything to have meaning to the characterization of the protagonists.

@alexandraguardian9840

Жыл бұрын

Not necessarily beautiful, but I get the point. Everyone makes mistakes but the important thing is do more good things than bad things. And whetever someone success or fails, it can make a good, relatable story when handled well.

@robbieaulia6462

Жыл бұрын

I think it's more like a lot of these characters just straight up making a mistake just for plot obligation since a lot of characters that made this pitfall usually has never been established to make human errors before. So it is key that before the all important moment where they make an error that they have been established to make mistakes before. I think Yoichi Isagi from Blue Lock is a great example of how to do it right, when he makes mistakes he usually don't have all the information necessary which led him to miscalculate or he just straight up not good enough to do what he set out to do because it wasn't part of his skill set. He makes human errors regularly which makes it feel natural that he can lose because of human error. In the end if you want to use a plot device with good results, it has to be build up either subtly, obviously, or thematically.

@KiwiMeowo

Жыл бұрын

@@robbieaulia6462 didnt expect blue lock in this comment section, pleasant surprise

@wjzav1971

Жыл бұрын

I think it depends on what the mistake is and if it was out of character. If a character that was set up to be smart makes a mistake or falls for a trap that the audience could see miles away, it becomes frustrating.

I need a t-shirt that says "Proof by contradiction does not work on literature". I'll wear it to all my classes that require papers.

@westwind1388

7 жыл бұрын

Rebecca Gaskins I completely agree! :)

@alexsere3061

7 жыл бұрын

Rebecca Gaskins I dont think that is what proof by contradiction is

@arcylano4912

7 жыл бұрын

Rebecca Gaskins yeah me 2

@RoberttheWise

7 жыл бұрын

It would actually need to say "Proof by counterexample does not work on literature". I think, proof by contradiction is one of the few that might actually work in literature.

@alexsere3061

7 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Proof by contradiction is basically the following: Assume X is true Show the if X is true it leads to a logical contradiction Thus X is false Ex: Assume you can divide by 0 2*0=1*0 -> 2*0/0 = 1*0/0 -> 2=1, but 2 is not 1 Thus you cannot divide by zero

Why is this a video about manly men but there’s not a single clip of Jojo bizarre adventure

@TheBaldingPied

5 жыл бұрын

Jojo is actually full of super effeminate men if you go past part... 3 i think. Well the end of part 3 had effeminate men too.

@kasidon7808

5 жыл бұрын

The Great Me-sama what dio is not an effeminate man and even after part 3 there are some manly dudes araki just toned it down but I mean there’s is still a lot manliness in jojo I’m just surprised there wasn’t a single reference to it not even a piller men clip

@TheBaldingPied

5 жыл бұрын

@@kasidon7808 There is a ton of manliness but if you look at the art... Kinda effimnate af. vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/jjba/images/c/c5/JosukeProfile.png/revision/latest?cb=20190117181938

@4ndr3c3s4r1n0

5 жыл бұрын

You were expecting a clip of Jojo... but it was me, DIO!

@kasidon7808

5 жыл бұрын

4ndr3c3s4r1n0 is that a JOJO REFERENCE

Reason why straight white male is the norm is that most of the writers that get published (especially in olden days) are/were white straight males. If I would write a novel I would make the protagonist like me (as a default, I would change it if the plot demands it), and since pretty much all my friends are white males, the supporting cast would also be such. I would argue that if a black woman starts to write a novel, her protagonist won't be default white male. And since minorities have started to get published more, we might see a culture sift in the near future.

@thomasfplm

2 жыл бұрын

One thing I noticed is that female authors tend to right both male and female protagonists, but male authors more rarely have female protagonists.

@josephcarpenter1452

2 жыл бұрын

Ya I noticed that as a kid when playing a game where you make the character. My friend started making a character that wasn't like mine. Then it hit me.

@dj_koen1265

2 жыл бұрын

I think woman tend to be more confident in writing multiple genders And i think men tend to try to avoid it because they feel like they are better equipped to write a male character I think it fits into the cultural shift that portrays girls as enigmatic and the stereotype that man don’t or can’t understand girls as described in the video

@kabinet0

2 жыл бұрын

@@dj_koen1265 I fully agree, I actually do feel inadequate to write a female character in most situations, likely because of that cultural shift, I just worry I might get something wrong, or offend someone, I don't know.

@NeinKyori

2 жыл бұрын

It's kinda obvious that authors prefer to write character similar to themselves or where they live, it's part of the "write what you know" mindset but somehow people don't realize this and complain all the time. It's like asking why anime shounen MCs are asian boys and shoujo MCs are asian girls

Just realized that "in a relationship, trying to be in a relationship, or getting over a relationship" basically describes my entire existence during highschool And yes, it was extremely tiring!!

@Alex-ru4rv

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, fairly standard for dudes even into their early 20's, honestly...

@siriuslywastaken

Жыл бұрын

I'm a woman and I also might be some form of aro-ace and I simply do not understand a constant need to be in a relationship

@daviddaugherty2816

Жыл бұрын

As a guy who's been romantically alone since high school: wanna trade?

@MatthewTheEmperor

11 ай бұрын

@@siriuslywastaken Same here and I'm a guy! I don't understand this never-ending desire to be in a relationship with someone either...

@Skip6235

4 ай бұрын

This describes my entire existence since I was about 13 and hit puberty and has no sign of stopping now that I’m 33. And yes, it is exhausting. If I could shut off the “serial monogomy” part of my brain I would. But just as ace people can’t magically make themselves allo, us allos can’t make ourselves ace

What's manlier than TWO MEN?!

@Waspinmymind

5 жыл бұрын

THREE MEN

@midnight8341

5 жыл бұрын

AMEN! Oh wait, that didn't work...

@therando115

5 жыл бұрын

5 men in a bar talking about football, beer, and emotions that society says we don't have.(like depression)

@TheCaliMack

5 жыл бұрын

@Timtim Gaming Why not Sea Men?

@misterminish239

5 жыл бұрын

TWO ALEX LOUIE ARMSTRONGS

Wrong, people in fiction also cough whenever a cloud of dust appears thanks to either someone blows it off a very old object or a big structure collapses

@kanushiasuper1186

3 жыл бұрын

Funnily enough, I read your comment and got to thinking about it and I don't remember very many of the characters that coughed for that specific reason actually living to the end of the narrative they were in.

@butterskywalker8785

3 жыл бұрын

@@kanushiasuper1186 coughing actually kills

@tortis6342

3 жыл бұрын

That could be qualified as somethign wrong.

@FreshZCORD

3 жыл бұрын

@@butterskywalker8785 covid

@JaelinBezel

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, if they didn't we might start wondering if they breathe at all.

The thing about "default" and "modifiers" is an excellent point. This is also why media about non-default identities has an unfortunate tendency to either feel forced or be completely about those modifier identities in lieu of actual plot. Simone de Beauvoir explores this explicitly in The Second Sex

@nathanjereb9944

Жыл бұрын

Also that seems to be a growing trend nowadays in the film industry, just throwing modifiers onto charaters to make up for their shallow writing. Don't get me wrong, it's great to see diversity of all kinds in media. But its just the icing on the cake, it dosnt matter what icing it is, there's still got to be a cake under it otherwise it's just a blob of icing

An interesting case of a male character having a female boss can be seen in Alucard of Hellsing: Ultimate. The dynamic between the two is interesting in that despite Alucard being subordinate, it sometimes seems like he's trying to mentor her into being a more competent leader.

@OrDuneStudios

2 жыл бұрын

Well shes liek 20 and he is Dracula

@dj_koen1265

2 жыл бұрын

Balalaika from black lagoon is also an example of a likable female boss character

@valecipo410

2 жыл бұрын

well he was a chick in the fourties so i don't know if you can say that he's an example of a man with a female boss

@nachomolaolivera7580

Жыл бұрын

That is because she is not his boss, she owns that mofo.

@sudimara7731

4 ай бұрын

Is the female mentor from Grisaia no Meikyuu anime count? I mean it's a harem show based on an eroge, so it's obvious to have as many female characters involved in the MC life.

In Full Metal Alchemist, their teacher was a housewife. That was cool, especially how it built into what they'd already lost.

@zusfrankenstein8561

4 жыл бұрын

Izumi Curtis, the most badass housewife that ever housewifed.

@SingingSealRiana

4 жыл бұрын

She is just the best, love how dismantles yakuza and military and answers the question who she is to do so with: "a housewife"

@DioBrando-yk5up

3 жыл бұрын

Fma 2002 or fmab

@jordank6961

3 жыл бұрын

@@DioBrando-yk5up brotherhood for sure, there is first a reference from izumi, then a reference by brigg about izumi, then she lets herself get captured saying it, and then at the end of show she says to the enemy XD. I haven't seen fma in a while, gotta rewatch it

@samt3412

3 жыл бұрын

@Ancient 6.6 I can't bring myself to call Lust a queen. She helped kill Hughes. She killed the best husband in the whole series and therefore, Mustang has good reason to pop off on her

I've got to say, I LOVE the brief cuts of the monster battle with the "expected reactions" imposed over the fighters, gets a laugh out of me every time.

@CrazyLikeUhFox

7 жыл бұрын

I don't, personally. It's really run its course at this point.

@corrigal1859

7 жыл бұрын

CrazyLikeUhFox it has run it's course, but to me it's welcomed

@artloveranimation

7 жыл бұрын

Dutchy the Second But really, how many of us subscribers react like that anyway? Isn't it more like a loud minority?

@awsomesaucekirby

7 жыл бұрын

Dutchy the Second #neverstoppacificrimming

@clarabellem4097

7 жыл бұрын

Me too. Every time.

"I mostly got weirded out when characters kissed on screen or when girl characters were weirdly lacking in autonomy" - Red explaining why I almost always gravitated to the male-presenting or tomboyish characters with no romantic attachments. Also, "I could personally go my entire life without seeing another forced romantic subplot" - I feel seen :D

A lot of these story tropes are also unjustly expected of men in the same way, expected to be physically strong, have manly interests, be constantly in a state of chasing romance, and expected not to have a woman superior in work or otherwise. It kinda sucks honestly, I know there's a lot of unhealthy stuff expected from women but it is nice to see the bad and unhealthy forced stereotypes of men talked about to. It helps make men who don't fit the traditionally manly ideal feel a lot more valid so I'm glad it's being talked about!

Omg I lost it when you brought up the coughing. WHAT IS IT THAT AS SOON AS A CHARACTER COUGHS THEY ARE GONNA DIE??? THIS FRUSTRATES ME TO NO END

@alexread6767

7 жыл бұрын

Not always. Sometimes a cough is for comedic effect in a long awkward pause, sometimes when a secret door opens all dusty-like and the character leans away and coughs while the dust settles for the big reveal.

@HappyFir3

7 жыл бұрын

Because mentioning every cough or sneeze inbetween scenes will break flow. This is more in books, where you really have to be careful with how information is given to the reader, as too much unnecessary mentionings can get quite annoying or simply boring to the reader (See food in Game Of Thrones).

@pheonixrises11

7 жыл бұрын

HilariouslyScary I never knew about this, and I find it hilarious that it's a thing

@BalkyBartokomous2525

7 жыл бұрын

In real life, much of the stuff around you doesn't mean anything, it just is. In fiction, everything that you see or read about must have some meaning to the story, hence when a character coughs, it must have meaning. It doesn't have to mean that they will die, but the cough must lead to something.

@barsni4779

7 жыл бұрын

Because if there is a rifle on the wall, it will shot at third act or something. Also it usually way to show tuberculosis. Except it can be also hint to nursing arc in case of romantic plots.

the five man group part made me understand better why main characters are almost never my favorite characters in a story

@keegster7167

7 жыл бұрын

protagonists are usually the most boring characters.

@melodyclark1944

7 жыл бұрын

Side characters can be more interesting.

@spazzmaticus1542

7 жыл бұрын

Side characters can definitely be more interesting. But, if anyone has read the Belgariad you would know that the manly man can be a side character if the main character is a kid.

@canadious6933

7 жыл бұрын

Except Geralt of Rivia and the Master Chief. Nice characters with the job in mind only. No side shit unless it's plot related. XD

@rhyzvanic3660

7 жыл бұрын

Im a fan of the lancer in most cases. Though if we're naming off TVtropes, I think my favorite is the noble demon archetype.

"Stop forcing stupid romance sub plots," I actually turned one of my characters into a reoccurring dark joke because I noticed they were a boring love interest. They are now a glitch that can only stay connected to reality if you draw a pentagram with cheese wiz.

@jchinckley

Жыл бұрын

Oooh, now I have a reason to go out and buy more Cheez Whiz. I may use this romance subplot summoning ritual in my own writing. hehe...

"I personally could go my entire life without watching another forced romantic subplot..." Same, those get annoying after like 2 of them.

On the Sam and Frodo thing: Lord of the Rings was written in the late 1950s and it's important to recognize the historic implications. In WWI, many of the upper class men went to war with with a butler/servant/etc. While they wouldn't normally be good friends in their lives outside of the war, there are many accounts of these men becoming like brothers. While some of them could have been gay, Tolkien's intention was probably to mirror the bond between these soldiers. He probably wouldn't have even considered Frodo and Sam's relationship as an actual romance, but it does appear that way to a modern audience. Additionally, specifically for the movies, Ian McKellen did give Sean Astin some advice that basically boils down to: Don't be afraid to look a little gay.

@keegster7167

7 жыл бұрын

Tolkien said that he did not want Lord of the Rings to be an analogy. In fact, he hated analogies and often argued with C.S. Lewis about them. Now saying that, I do not believe that they were ever intended to be homosexual. Even if someone wrote that nowadays, not everyone would think that: I would never have thought of it myself, even though I am a part of the modern audience.

@canadious6933

7 жыл бұрын

Yes! Thank you for pointing that out. (now I don't need to). In the 50's and before, actual friendship was more than "hey, lets get a beer" but more as support like an actual friend. Today, it's considered weird....I don't know why

@LuckyHodgepodge

7 жыл бұрын

King Keegster I think you miss interpreted what I was talking about (I was unclear, sorry!). I didn't mean to imply it was an analogy to WWI. The series in no way directly mirrors WWI, but that doesn't mean he didn't base Sam and Frodo's relationship on the soldiers. Tolkien used a lot resources as inspiration for certain aspects of LotR, and that wasn't limited to creatures and places. Rereading my comment, my phrasing did imply it being an analogy, but I wasn't thinking about it like that. Sorry for being unclear!

@keegster7167

7 жыл бұрын

+ImagineHodgepodge Oh, okay. Yeah, I can agree with that.

@maxthepaladin2147

7 жыл бұрын

I honestly don't know tho could seriously interpret Sam and Frodo relationship as a romance. Being good buddies and caring for each other doesn't mean that they have a romance

I feel like the women in Princess Mononoke actually do a fantastic job of circumventing the whole "woman in charge must be manlier than the manly men" thing. Lady Eboshi is pretty feminine, being able to handle herself in a fight aside, she still isn't directly super masculine or challenged by her male underlings. Just thought it'd be an interesting thing to point out. However come to think of it it's not technically a Western produced/written film but still.

@francisco.mrsm.22

5 жыл бұрын

She is definitely a great character, and a good example of a Woman in Charge, but it's still interesting to me that she's not actually in power over the protagonist. She leads over her villaige, and our protagonist certainly has no power over her, but she isn't directly his superior. The only two examples I can think of that break this trope are The Ancient One in Doctor Strange and Haldo/Leia in the new Star Wars movies. In the former, she's the straight up mentor that is show to have more power and knowlege than Strange in every way. In the latter, both women lead the armies well and the only point where they're seen as untrustworthy is when Po is being suspicous because of his fragile ego. Still, for the most part they're seen as worthy leaders and seem to slide into the typically male role pretty well.

@jmercedesd

5 жыл бұрын

Studio Ghibli is the exception to all stereotypes and tropes. Miyazaki-sensei himself was a big proponent of girls/women being able to do amazing thing just by being themselves. Heck, he applied this to all of his characters, but the Ghibli Woman is her own special category. :D

@SaintStryfeArgentEngraving

4 жыл бұрын

@@chaoticgood12 Not really. There's a subpart to this trope that if the woman is older, she can get away with being in charge strictly due to seniority, as she's gotten around "in a man's world" (and she will need to explain that at some point). Being older will also eliminate any sexual tension. Also, she'll generally act male or genderless - the fact she's a woman won't matter much. M fits all parts of this - she acts tough as nails, her gender is mostly non-important, and she's older, so Bond is not going after a sexagenarian.

@matthewbaugh5560

4 жыл бұрын

Miyazaki is good at that. His characters are beautifully developed.

@viktorbagic5516

4 жыл бұрын

@@SaintStryfeArgentEngraving this would also include Tsunade from Naruto.

I have a side character in an action story who is huge and ripped, being stronger than most of the main cast in terms of raw power. But he is absolutely not a fighter, he doesn't like conflict, it stresses him out and he just wants to stay in his quiet life. I figure just because someone has the physical capability to fight doesn't mean they can handle it psychologically.

@Gloomdrake

Жыл бұрын

There's a character in Xenoblade Chronicles X who's just like this. He's as big and bulky as the mech suits of the setting, but he would rather work in construction than have to fight

@TheDCbiz

9 ай бұрын

Also usually most men that look like Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson or Arnold Schwarzenegger in his prime just simply don't fight. Look at most athletes who fight. Weightlifting which usually makes big looking guys is a different skill than fighting. For one, weightlifting makes muscles big in repetitive exercises. Fighting requires more mobility and typically more improvisational so most fighters aren't that big. Even heavy weight boxers don't look like weightlifters because their fighting/weightlifting kinda determines which muscles get bigger. Bruce Lee was very lean and mobile, maneuverble etc..most weightlifters or big guys aren't usually violent as they express rage typically with weight lifting or doing hard manual labor. Big men more frequently in contact sports like sumo or judo or football might be more violent since they get big by dominating an opponent during high stress periods. And obviously not all big men in those areas are violent just because they do those activities just to clarify

The No.1 tip I could ever give is quite simple: “Different doesn’t mean better”

@michealforguson5317

2 жыл бұрын

Ah. The wise words of the Cheshire Cat from American McGee's Alice: Madness Returns. "Different denotes neither bad nor good. But it certainly means not the same."

"bad at ... understanding other girls." *shows Naked Snake and The Boss standing in a field, about to duel to the death* I'm wounded, Red. *Wounded*

@Markvdorow

4 жыл бұрын

Gotta say, I don't think it's Snake's fault for not understanding a Kojima plotline

@ArtianSetS

3 жыл бұрын

@Manek Iridius I feel that most people get confused on the plot due to background elements and dialogue that are either ignored or go unnoticed by the player, and how the games don't follow a linear timeline. 1 is in the middle, 2 is after 1, 3 is the first, 4 is the last, and 5 is after 3, with minor games such as peace walker, portable ops, and ground zeroes also being plot relevant. Not complex, just either vague or boringly expository.

@8-bitsarda747

3 жыл бұрын

not as wounded as The Boss is about to be

@greywalker505

3 жыл бұрын

@@8-bitsarda747 STOP!!

@8-bitsarda747

3 жыл бұрын

@@greywalker505 no

A "manly man" is one who voluntarily ventures into the underworld and slays the dragon of chaos. That can be literal, metaphorical, or psychological. Or, if it takes place near a river delta, it can be littoral.

@sofiacapella

3 жыл бұрын

this ... this is poetry ... thank you

@flyingspacebrainedidiot

3 жыл бұрын

???

@expositiondump8320

3 жыл бұрын

Jordan Peterson is pleased to see this comment

@stacyowl1658

3 жыл бұрын

but if the character befriends the dragon of chaos, does it make them more or less manly?

@sofiacapella

3 жыл бұрын

@@stacyowl1658 none, that would just be... *irrational* "tu-tum tss!" :D ... ok sorry ;_;

The never making mistakes thing was actually a really interesting observation.

I really like when a character makes mistakes. He looks more human this way. Fatal flaws ad "what have I done?" moments, of course, but just simple, human mistake is great too.

It might fall under the "detectives can be wrong x amount of times" trope, but I really like the bit in Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows where he goes through an extensive process to stop what he think was Moriarty's plan, and is jut flat-out wrong. Not only was he wrong, he was wrong in the exact way that Moriarty expected him to be wrong.

@rdsasuke1

4 жыл бұрын

Yes that was a glorious scene.

@vay5540

4 жыл бұрын

Spoilers!!!

@Shifterwizard

4 жыл бұрын

Wouldn't that fall under "getting tricked", then?

@mvmlego1212

4 жыл бұрын

@@Shifterwizard -- Yes, but I think it's still in the category of mistakes that male heroes aren't "allowed" to make. I think the point that Red was trying to get at was that male heroes are expected to be and portrayed as perfectly _competent_. Consequently, for a male hero whose primary job is to do detective work, getting fooled is a form of incompetence, and thus a forbidden mistake.

@Azhi_Dahaka

4 жыл бұрын

But that counts less as being wrong and more as being defeated, its common to not win every fight to give more weight to the stakes of the conflict, but not to be wrong just because. If is was expected by Moriarty, it isn't "being wrong" it is being outwitted

When you realize Red's avatar has more muscles than Blue's... STEREOTYPE BROKEN!

@NeostormXLMAX

5 жыл бұрын

RitsarStudios maybe shes actually buff in real life, she mentions doing dem pushups

@carlosrosado6130

5 жыл бұрын

Fucking *Nice*

@urfork1

5 жыл бұрын

i was thinking pokemon i was like what the fuck

@melchid8448

5 жыл бұрын

No it is actually just another stereotype

@arandomzoomer4837

5 жыл бұрын

Please chill on gender topics.

Regarding the "dudes making no just plain mistakes" bit: Upon my second or third viewing of this, some five years later, I'm reminded of the sidebar in The Annotated Chronicles, wherein Margaret Weiss and Tracy Hickman talk about how someone at a con said they were shocked reading the Dragons of Autumn Twilight because they'd never seen a piece of fiction where an elf shoots an arrow at a goblin and just misses.

I love how Rick Riordan actually played this expectation to his own ends. He wrote The Lightning Thief featuring a straight white trio (who are nevertheless also representative of a minority group in having ADHD and dyslexia) to make it more attractive to mainstream publishers, then once the Percy Jackson series got hugely popular (i.e. too big for Hyperion to bitch about) he introduced a massive cast of POC and LGBTQ+ characters IN POV ROLES come Heroes of Olympus, Kane Chronicles, Trials of Apollo, and Magnus Chase

@WaywardVector

3 жыл бұрын

Hmmm. I don’t remember any lgbtq characters? But I liked frank because Asian so yay.

@annakrawczuk5221

3 жыл бұрын

@@WaywardVector I don't remember any in POV roles, but iirc Nico is gay. But I haven't read the Apollo and Magnus stuff so there might be others

@user-lv8dn8gw9z

3 жыл бұрын

I can't remember any gay or lgbt characters in the kane chronicles, then again been years since I've read any of them. Lgbt wasn't really a thing when the original PJO books came out either

@shikharsrivastava4922

3 жыл бұрын

@@annakrawczuk5221 Apollo is very bisexual and there's definitely characters in magnus chase that are lgbtq and magnus explains this quite rationally.

@shikharsrivastava4922

3 жыл бұрын

@@annakrawczuk5221 Nico did have a perspective role and so did piper (who is bisexual)

The real average is a middle-aged, gender-fluid, Han Chinese person.

@Ren-pn6pk

4 жыл бұрын

Bro why you reveal this fact

@charlx8979

4 жыл бұрын

Id like more fiction with that as the protag Im sorta getting sick of late teens to early 20s guys Gimme a grumpy old middle age person

@viktorbagic5516

4 жыл бұрын

@@charlx8979 "I'm sorta getting sick of late teens to early 20s guys" As far as I've read, that's the main target group in todays media, so ...

@danielbailey211

4 жыл бұрын

With 1 testicle and breast, and named Mohammad Li

@charlx8979

4 жыл бұрын

@@viktorbagic5516 i get that, doesnt make it less boring to always have the exact same generic protagonist look at the generic harem anime protagonist trope, all exactly the same and a lot of the time with the exact same voice actors

I was under the impression that Moana's "mistake" was based around her character flaw of pride. The entire movie she is telling Maui that the ocean chose her and that returning the heart is her destiny. And while this attitude has helped her in the past, it leads to over-confidence at a crucial moment. That's why the song that happens afterwards is about regaining her self-confidence, because her pride was shattered.

@danthelowblood2653

6 жыл бұрын

In the true story of Maui Maui dies. Because he fails to fulfill his final test which is to gain and give humankind immortality he passed a multitude of tests but failed this last one why?because of a birds tweet...... SHOW ME YA MOOVES

@shushia1658

6 жыл бұрын

Or her character flaw of humility? Assuming that she was chosen to fascilitate Maui in his heroism, then came the musical number where she goes oh actually maybe I can put the heart back myself. I am clever and persistent and don't give up in the face of hardship, my ancestors are strong and awesome and support me.

@justinmargulski2687

6 жыл бұрын

I think it's also worth noticing that Maui flat out makes a mistake too. Taking the heart of Tefiti has the exact opposite outcome of the one he intended. But what does Maui do when he's faced with the fact that he's a screw-up? He hides in a cave. What does Moana do when she realizes she's a screw-up? She picks herself back up and tries something else. In the moment of truth, she didn't quit, she kept moving forward.

@acrow5

6 жыл бұрын

Well, she did quit. That was the whole point of the musical number, to help her pick herself back up. Maui didn't have someone to tell him he could fix the problem, so he sulked in a cave. But Moana had her grandmother and the whole musical number. And that is what Moana did for Maui, she got him to try again.

See, I don’t know if I’ve replied this before, but when I make my characters they start as an asexual non-binary entity until I’ve ironed out what role I want them to play in the plot and story and then decide WHAT they are based on what personality, culture, and family life they live with. Then I do the final touches on their personal likes and dislikes(and sometimes even gender) based on the way I want them to interact with the rest of the cast. What you are is like the color and shading of a character. You COULD go without but it makes it more vibrant, lively, and gives depth.

@sadnessofwildgoats

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah same, but in real life too. I assume someone is agender, aromantic, and asexual until told otherwise.

@blackchibisan8116

3 жыл бұрын

@@sadnessofwildgoats And I am happy to say that despite what inevitable differences you and I probably have, we are United in this one completely unprejudiced manner. Assume nothing of others and view them as people before anything else.

@pyrocinematics6649

3 жыл бұрын

The character does not start as the Straight White Male. The character starts as Space Dust.

@blackchibisan8116

3 жыл бұрын

@@pyrocinematics6649 I am offended you would imply Space as their origin. For all you know they are a quasi trans dimensional awareness..... I mean, that’s the brilliance of fixtion

@axios4702

2 жыл бұрын

Its always funny to see how different creative process can be. The characters I come up with are often more or less completely defined since the moment they pop up in my head with just details that need "ironing out" as you say.

7:50 If you want to see an amazing subversion of not only that rule but also the "never mess up" rule, see Rick Riordan's "Trials of Apollo" series. From book one our dudely protagonist Apollo (who had been given mortal form as a punishment) is directly under the control of his boss for the rest of the series, a Traumatized, prepubescent girl named Meg McCaffree, who frequently dresses in eyeball-scorchingly mismatched colors and while she is a badass with shortswords, she IS just a little girl who's been traumatized and is now in charge of dudely dude. Also, Apollo messes up A LOT in that series, from barely being competent in a fight to missing his first shot of an arrow when fighting the final boss. And yes, former god of archery apollo can miss shots in this series.

@VictoriaStarratt

Жыл бұрын

Small nitpick, but Meg’s last name is spelled McCaffrey. I actually thought she was a daughter of Athena, because her full name was the first thing I heard about her, and her name is spelled the same way as the Author of the Dragon Riders of Pern books’ last name is spelled (Anne McCaffrey, btw)

@VictoriaStarratt

Жыл бұрын

Small nitpick, but Meg’s last name is spelled McCaffrey. I actually thought she was a daughter of Athena, because her full name was the first thing I heard about her, and her name is spelled the same way as the Author of the Dragon Riders of Pern books’ last name is spelled (Anne McCaffrey, btw)

@user-cm8di3eb2t

5 ай бұрын

Apollo got turned into a pudgy teenager with acne.

“Nor am I straight.” Oh so _THATS_ why everyone in your art is pretty. edit: guys just because she's ace doesn't mean that she can't appreciate pretty people. i don't want to fuck a sunset, but i find them gorgeous. same rule applies. edit 2: holy fuck guys please

@Kat-gp6gj

4 жыл бұрын

She's said she's asexual

@anne-zh2kd

4 жыл бұрын

@@rdsasuke1 Wow... that is just stunningly shitty. Congrats, you just pissed on the entire asexual community.

@PhyreI3ird

4 жыл бұрын

@@rdsasuke1 It most likely doesn't

@jaojao1768

4 жыл бұрын

@@rdsasuke1 probably not

@eldridgeleeds2145

4 жыл бұрын

@@anne-zh2kd I'm not ace, but Imma hop on that being peeved train-

I watch flamboyant manly men doing manly things while fighting other flamboyant manly men, who are also doing manly things.... While posing.

@serialkillerwhale

6 жыл бұрын

Sadly, the manly part of that was removed in part 5.

@thetruestarking20000

6 жыл бұрын

Whom then summon spiritual manly men to beat up some other manly man’s spiritual manly man.

@galadrielfalciani6748

6 жыл бұрын

ToxicAndSalty What was it, The Ginyu Force?

@BlazingMagpie

6 жыл бұрын

Anime called JoJo reference

@galadrielfalciani6748

6 жыл бұрын

BlazingMagpie I know but it also sounds a lot like the Ginyu Force! I mean, fighting and posing is kind of their thing too.

7:50 Author Rick Riordan seems to have subversion of this trait down pat, from Magnus Chase being under direct supervision of a female frequently, to Apollo being subservient by magic to a little girl named Meg.

@user-cm8di3eb2t

5 ай бұрын

The best thing about the Magnus chase series is that Magnus and Samirah aren't in a relationship. They're more like siblings,and as a Muslim,I am incredibly thankful to Rick for doing this, as making them be in a relationship would have been incredibly disrespectful to Islamic culture, norms,and values.

@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606

5 ай бұрын

@@user-cm8di3eb2t I don't know enough to agree, but I am also tired of "male protagonist gets the girl".

@user-cm8di3eb2t

5 ай бұрын

@@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606 Yeah, sibling-like dynamics are much more fun. Especially when you're a younger reader, who can't really relate to the whole 'romance' stuff.

@user-cm8di3eb2t

5 ай бұрын

I wish Meg gets featured in a sequel. Maybe she can finally get to meet her mom, or reunite with Apollo? But seriously, imagine. Another demigod being legit confused when they meet this OP tween/teen with plant powers, seven OP servants, and a unicorn, watching as Meg destroys her enemies and orders around the god of the sun,who ACTUALLY FOLLOWS SAID ORDERS?! A new demigod meeting the imperial household, being rescued by Peaches and Luguselwa, wondering if Dionysius has cursed them with insanity...

Everyone knows that Avatar is always in these videos because it’s amazing, but I’m starting to realize that Moana is also FANTASTIC in a way I didn’t fully appreciate before.

I don't mind tropes as long as they're well written. A stereotypical manly man can still be interesting, if not on their own, but on the environment and other characters. Take a super muscle bound guy being a protagonist, total stereotype, bad cook, lustful, oafish, and stupid. Pretty two dimensional character. But put this character in an environment that requires not physical strength, but mental strength. Giving him challenges he can't easily overcome with his abilities forcing him to lean on the other characters in order to help him overcome them. A good writer can make even the flattest of characters interesting. But that's just my opinion :P

@elizabethhuang8450

7 жыл бұрын

Maybe Later Completely agree. It's not about the character; it's about the opposition. Take Superman, for instance--he's as stereotypically masculine as it gets. In any other situation, he'd be a dull character, but Lex Luthor serves as his foil because he's smart, someone who Superman knows he can't just beat up with his fists. Any character can be intriguing with well-written opposition. It's a shame we don't see more creativity in the template.

@albertzinger7132

7 жыл бұрын

My favourite example of what you described is the protagonist of Alfred Bester's sci-fi novel Tiger! Tiger! It's amazing.

@yourmom9931

7 жыл бұрын

I like basically manly men characters. Take Takamura from Hajime No Ippo. He's pretty much a manly man but he's so well executed that no one notices. And yes he fulfils all these roles and solves his problems with his strength.

@About37Hobos

6 жыл бұрын

Maybe Later YES thank you tropes exist for a reason and when well executed it can be very interesting

@torrinmaag5331

6 жыл бұрын

Maybe Later I think she mentioned this at the start of the series. Tropes aren't bad or good; they just are.

Normal Person: Is wrong... whoops Protagonist: Has been decieved by a dark magician in the ancient army of the underworld through artificial delusions and general trickery... Task: Answer a math problem

@Felipe-rt4dd

5 жыл бұрын

That's Don Quixote in a nutshell.

@CH-nn1nf

4 жыл бұрын

SirMan McDude you see you take the x which equals 5.3 then you proceed to multiply that by 526352.322222 then you.... five hours later, and you end up with the answer of 3. So Mr.math teacher what was the true answer and yes I remembered to show my work.

@chrishansen1842

4 жыл бұрын

@@CH-nn1nf I hope you have a proper case then. I hear your work has a crack team of lawyers and is friends with every judge in town.

@CH-nn1nf

4 жыл бұрын

Chris Hansen lol I didn’t notice my typo! I need to learn to type slower, and to double check for the main reason my fat thumbs are get in the way!

@chrishansen1842

4 жыл бұрын

@@CH-nn1nf lol it's cool though and I thought the sentence "I remembered to sue my work." Was pretty funny.

im just gonna say this: manly-a quite powerful character who makes a butt ton of human error: mark watney in The Martian

I think Ejiro Kirashima is a terrific example for a male "manly" character who is respectful, relatable, awesome and inspirational for all the audience.

6:38 "Uh can we date?" "Not until you aswer me these questions three!" Best part

@spadelemon

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

"Interacting with girls" * *Picture of Naked Snake facing down The Boss* * You cut deep. DEEP.

About the romance thing, I've noticed that I don't give like 90% of my characters love interests, and then I look at them, realize that I could just make them asexual and aromantic and just skip that nonsense, and think, "Hmm... this works!"

@Totallynotredtail

4 ай бұрын

This is so relatable hmgdhtthtfg (half of them are aroace )

I think that ANY character making a mistake is kinda like going to the toilet, it only really happens when its plot relevant even though it happens all the time irl, and we all just roll w it because it makes things easier

8:13 "The lancer, big guy, smart guy, and *chick* can then be any gender" Amazing, let's go

@Danielle-fm2tj

5 жыл бұрын

That's originally what the role was called, though it has recently been renamed to the "Heart" Go watch the five man band episode, very good

@j2dragon109

4 жыл бұрын

Danielle Tv Tropes still uses chick I believe

@artofthepossible7329

4 жыл бұрын

@@j2dragon109 It depends on the group. As they straight up use Red's artwork it's mainly the chick, but the role of the heart (keeping the group together) is often interchangeable with chick.

@mynameiswritinwater

4 жыл бұрын

@@artofthepossible7329 probably because it is called a Harem if the roles are reversed (at least in Anime which is like...hmmm 5% of culture ?)

@ryanweible9090

4 жыл бұрын

it actualy works, frequently if the guy is the "chick" they are simply not particularly manly, still can be technically straight, but they generally will be characterized by non manly characteristics.

3:34 It's funny that we keep degrading women in combat to being archers, because in truth archery takes a lot of upper body strength. It's borne from this mentality that "women are weaker, so they should be archers" when in truth that's a very physically demanding form of combat. Especially in a medieval or fantasy setting where they don't have compound bows.

@TheTendermen

5 жыл бұрын

I don’t think it demeans women per say, as being racist physically weaker isn’t really a bad thing (mainly on average women are physically weaker weaker then men in terms of upper body strength and overall endurance, though they make up for it in other areas which I can’t name on top of my head), but a simple cultural misunderstanding of how medieval weaponary works

@hedgehog3180

5 жыл бұрын

It's like an idea that women have to be protected so they stay behind the front line because apparently they can't take a hit, which y'know is not true even remotely. When it comes to literal material strength men and women are both made of the same flesh.

@cadunkus

5 жыл бұрын

Anyone of decent physical strength can wear mail and swing an axe, but marching for very long times would be a lot easier if you had- I don't know- stronger lower body strength for childbearing.

@helltaker6865

5 жыл бұрын

Well hasn't someone seen shadiversity?

@helltaker6865

5 жыл бұрын

Well hasn't someone seen shadiversity?

My take on each trope. 1-Badass: Most common in action stories. Since your character is constantly getting himself into fights, being competent, physically fit and overall a "badass" is an requirement to justify your character getting alive in the dangerous situations that he will get himself into. If the protagonist is your "every man" with average physical strength and no special skill, he will use plot armor and deus ex machina a lot more. A lot of the female characters that you talked about are also physically fit like the genetically-engineered soldiers and martial artists (there a lot of male characters that fit these categories). 2-Romance: It does get exhausting, but writers refuse to stop doing that. While some stories don't have the romance subplot, it is very common. I guess it is because pretty much everyone will be looking for a relationship during some point in their lives. 3-No comments, it is pretty much true. 4-No girl boss- I think it is just a forced a habit that will just change over time. 5-Not allowed to be wrong- I think there is something to due with how stories work. If there is some sort of stake such as the future of the world, then the character is hardly ever allowed to make mistakes, since making them puts the "world" or whatever it is at "stake" at risk. If a character makes a mistake that is not related to their character flaw and it just a "human error" then not only do you remove the change to do a character arc focusing in the character flaw(since there were no mistakes made because of the flaw), you also just waste time since your character just made an error that will have no use in the story. There is a risk that the human error will just halt the story progress and will serve no purpose. A lot of stories do not have the time to waste making an "human error" that will not progress the story or give character development since the error itself is just natural with no manipulation, flaw and sometimes no negative consequences.

"fictional dudes are at all times either in a relationship, trying to be in a relationship or trying to get over a relationship" that happens with people irl and not limited to dudes

@janesullivan692

2 жыл бұрын

In high school, love is always in the air, something which I consider entirely pointless.

My general rule is don’t write characters write people

@ijotit5668

4 жыл бұрын

Nice quote, I agree

@josephmartins1067

4 жыл бұрын

Can you explain that for me

@ijotit5668

4 жыл бұрын

For his quote he explains that when you write characters you dont just make up a person you reinvent a person

@YourBoyNobody530

4 жыл бұрын

@@josephmartins1067 How I see it is when your writing a character think about them as if they were a real person you could physically talk as an a real person rather than your own creation heck make a few tables then roll a dice to see what happens then roll with the corresponding results that seems to work for me.

@CreeketsCreek

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah!

'Men are typically bad at childrearing' Picture of Goku. Me: ... Accurate.

@SonofSethoitae

5 жыл бұрын

To be fair to Goku, he's bad at everthing else that doesn't involve punching people or preparing to punch people too

@laurie1183

4 жыл бұрын

Statistics for single motherhood vs single fatherhood pretty reliably show the opposite actually. Women alone seem to be abysmal at it.

@Arcaneraven

4 жыл бұрын

child...rearing... *ring, ring* Yes, FBI?

@UnfamiliarIntimacy

4 жыл бұрын

Laurie She's probably talking about the trope in fiction and not the ones irl. If not then you're right, and she's contributing to a stereotype.

@laurie1183

4 жыл бұрын

@@UnfamiliarIntimacy Most fictional tropes are based on ones in real life that have been exaggerated for comedic purposes and then de-exaggerated for the purposes of writing and deconstruction. The 'men aren't good at childrearing' thing is half true, in that of a married couple the wife is better at minding and looking after the child, but it's very wrong in that children who are raised without a father are very likely to do very badly in life.

"- are either in a relationship, trying to be in a relationship, or in a relationship." Yes, this is exactly what its like being a straight guy.

This video has inspired me, above all else, to make my characters occasionally just cough. No questions asked, no zombie virus, not even much attention drawn to it, just a straight cough. To me, nothing is more immersive than seeing an everyday thing like that occur in a character for everyday reasons.

@joshuatony.5353

4 ай бұрын

LMFAO 😭😭😭 I don't know you but I love you so much

At 13:16: *Red:* “She miscalculated” *Azula:* “No, *YOU* miscalculated! You should have feared me more!” Edit April 2022: Wow! Thanks for the 1,000+ likes!

@FreshZCORD

3 жыл бұрын

*Captain* : " *I* get that reference"

@TerryBradstreet

2 жыл бұрын

I don't understand how Moana's mistake isn't Hubris? Maui is her senior and teacher in the art of sailing, and he told her that she couldn't make it, but she ignored him and tried anyway despite not being able to see or know anything he didn't see or know. Thinking you Know Better is the very essence of Hubris.

@JJJSmit9026

2 жыл бұрын

@@TerryBradstreet the hubris was not changing her mind when Maui said it was a bad idea, but the miscalculation was not exactly hubris

@TerryBradstreet

2 жыл бұрын

Elijah Colie Luke Skywalker miscalculated that he could beat Vader and save his friends, and his hubris was ignoring Yoda telling him he wasn’t ready. He lost his fucking hand.

@dhivaansalig6398

2 жыл бұрын

*Doc Ock*: She couldn't have miscalculated. It was working, wasn't it?

As a general rule of thumb, if two male characters are good friends and neither or one of them have lovers/spouses, people are going to assume that they're in love with each other, taking every little small attention they give each other as signs of attraction instead of as, you know, actual friendship. It's odd to consider that female characters are awarded a lot more freedom in that regards when they are close to female friends. If two male characters have small cares for each other, people jump to conclusions a lot easier than when it's two female characters. It's a weird trend that's fun to look at.

@meli2066

6 жыл бұрын

My good sir, have you ever heard of *drumroll* femslash?

@yaumelepire6310

6 жыл бұрын

hi it's tweety, No I hadn't. However, after summary research, I can say that the existence of this kind of fan fiction reinforces my earlier point. Think about it, you had slash fan fiction, where two fictionnal characters of the same gender were portrayed in a romantic relationship despite the canonical lack thereof, but since everyone just wrote it about male character, they had to create a sub-genre of that to portray those kinds of things about female characters, and one that is rather more niche. It's really weird! Not the genre, the fact that they had to create a sub-genre...

@yaumelepire6310

6 жыл бұрын

P Ciprian, Of course it depends on the said attentions. But you know, the Internet sees everything in fiction as potential romance these days which can be funny, or terrifying, depending on your perspective.

@yaumelepire6310

6 жыл бұрын

P Ciprian, I'm not sure why that is relevant, but, if you say so...

@yaumelepire6310

6 жыл бұрын

P Ciprian, Okay, but what side is this?

One of my favorite anime’s, Black Lagoon, does a gender swap were all the women are violent badasses, while the men have more non-combatants roles. The main character, Rock, never fights at all, instead using his intellect to put smart his enemies, and relying on the main female character whenever he needs a fighter. Other male characters are either the smart guy or the leaders who can get violent but usually don’t have to. Another interesting thing is the male characters tend to be the emotional core who keeps the female characters from getting too trigger happy. They gender swap that as well

@sudimara7731

4 ай бұрын

A psychotic girl in anime or manga is kind of its own trope. Different from the Yandere trope, because Yandere involved love. But it definitely has enough examples of it. Kakegurui is just a bunch of psychotic girls doing gambling. High Rise Invasion is about psychotic girls killing each other. Dead Tube manga, the girl who does all the killing while the guy who strategies it.

the fact that red used trollhunters as an example makes my life complete

I have to disagree with you on Frodo when you said Frodo is not iron-willed (4:55). Gandalf doesn't dare touch the One. Boromir was driven to attack Frodo without carrying it after brief exposure. The mere presence of the One corrupts the Council of Elrond. Frodo saw the Witch King and held off the stab wound from the Morgul blade and still carried the One all the way to the Cracks of Doom without breaking until the very end. Frodo's willpower is his only form of traditional manly-man strength, but it's off the chart.

@iPhoneeditor

5 жыл бұрын

Quick note on that. The ring enhances the power of the wielder, the morning powerful they are the more dangerous the ring is to them. Hobbits on what would basically be the middle Earth power scale are pretty much at the very bottom as far as intelligent beings go and as such the power of the ring and it's influence are vastly stifled. Gandalf comments that if he were to take the ring he would likely use it in attempt to do a great amount of good but in doing so would inadvertently fall under the rings influence and his actions would turn against middle Earth and be quite disastrous. It is also one of the many reasons the eagles do not get involved as they are beings of immense power being what are effectively angels for the god Manwë and with the ring could likely be a greater threat than Sauron. Frodo does have tremendous will power and his bravery is up there with the rest of the fellowship, but he only succeeds with tremendous aid and because he is a Hobbit.

@emperoroftheuniverse5950

5 жыл бұрын

@@iPhoneeditor Not necessarily, the ring doesn't have a scaling power ratio, it is just that hobbits have a natural tolerance- or perhaps lack of corruptibility, that wizards and eagles (both of which are agents of Manwe, not just eagles) do not posses. The reason for his ability to carry the ring was a result of him being a hobbit, not a personality trait. In that part I agree PS: The eagles of Manwe with the ring would not be very much of a threat, similar to how Tom Bombadil wouldn't be much of a threat with it. They are more elemental than present. Nor are the eagles very powerful. Even at their height it took their king all of his strength to free Mandos from chains on the top of a mountain and bring him down. (Either to the Sindar or to Gondolin, I do not recall.)

@lazyscholar7932

5 жыл бұрын

Already stated that the stronger you are, the greater the rings power to corrupt you. Because power corrupts and shit. Hobbits are made to carry the ring because they are so weak.

@hadeskingoftheunderworld7010

5 жыл бұрын

In other words he would be a great green lantern unless he has ring PTSD

@TheWildmanden

5 жыл бұрын

It's not really a question of willpower, though it also plays a part, but the main reason hobbits make good ringbearers is because hobbits have absolutely no ambition to do anything remotely important. The ring promises you power to achieve your wildest dreams, but hobbits don't want power or money, they only want enough to live a comfortable life and pretty much nothing else. For instance, when Sam briefly carries the ring, it tries to convince him that it can make him the greatest gardener in the world, which Sam thought was ridiculous. This is why someone like Boromir was so easily affected, because at the time he had so much to lose and so much responsibility. Boromir was easily swayed because he was the greatest among them and had the most ambitious goals (maybe except for Gandalf, but he's a special case). Willpower plays a part, but ambition is the deciding factor.

I'm kinda surprised you didn't mention Izumi Curtis, especially considering you used Olivier Mira Armstrong. Izumi is the mentor of the MCs, terrifies them, and is shown to be strong both in FMA's world's power system and in traditional physical abilities (and emotionally strong too, but that's another subject). But she also announces herself as a housewife, cares for Ed & Al like her own sons, is deeply characterized by her actions in the past as a grieving mother, and is in basically permanent honey-moon mode with her husband; an equally badass bear of a man.

@Levsa399

2 жыл бұрын

One of my favorite lines from her besides her proud declarations of being a housewife, is when she’s complimenting Alex Armstrong on his bravery saying, “You’re a fine man. Then again, I’ve already got a man a million times finer then you.” She’s in the middle of a war zone, but she takes a moment to talk about how much she loves her husband. Then proceeds to yeet Sloth through the air so her husband can hit a home run. Relationship goals.

@Drip_Wooper

2 жыл бұрын

plus the fact that ed and al got a head-cannon that Izumi and her husband(whose name I almost always forget) fell in love when Izumi was rushing not to arrive late to where she was going, and accidentally dropped her bear and he helped her with it, I always laugh at that scene

@catsinwonderland7473

2 жыл бұрын

Best moment was she she beat the MC’s asses then proceeded to hug them.

@WinterPains

2 жыл бұрын

@@Levsa399 just more evidence as to why Fullmetal Alchemist; Brotherhood is great.

I know I am rather late to a party, but as a long time DM in DnD groups and a worker in services, I have noticed that it may be partialy becuase people in real life will respect someone as a higher up only as long as he/she acts display masculinity. And that is not only limited to men, some women will not respect a feminine higher-ups as well...

Jim Lake being an expert cook is such an important character trait tucked safely away in the background until it suddenly becomes a wonderful highlight of how things have changed by the end, for lack of spoilers. If you know, you know.

@user-cm8di3eb2t

5 ай бұрын

You realise they're stuck in a time loop now, right?

Beowulf looking at the modern manly men: "Pathetic."

@user-co3uc8vt7e

3 жыл бұрын

Note that Beowulf in the classical poem is stated to never be married in his life, might as well mean he didn't have any relationships at all.

@wickederebus

3 жыл бұрын

Looks at Siegfried/Sigurd. Huh, loving wife, badass, fought a dragon, invincibility only slightly worse than Achilles.

@robbieaulia6462

3 жыл бұрын

@@wickederebus Seriously? Achilles best friend died because Achilles refused to give his wive that he just got as "trophy" to his commanding general. And then Achilles died because of his own greed.

@wickederebus

3 жыл бұрын

@@robbieaulia6462 you seem to misunderstand what I said. His invincibility is worse than Achilles. Nothing else was being compared

@derekskelton4187

2 жыл бұрын

@@robbieaulia6462 "Best friend" next you're gonna tell me they were roommates

Haha. The "woman = archer because less manly weapon"" trope is funny because, in reality, using a bow takes way more physical strength than using a sword. A sword is a sharp metal bar that weighs a few pounds, and if you hit unarmored people with it, they get sliced open. A bow requires exerting a force equal to roughly half your body weight with each arm, all while doing the non-trivial task of aiming a projectile.

@km1dash6

5 жыл бұрын

It goes back to the ancient Greeks. Women are, for some reason, able to hold the archer stance better than men, so the Greeks used skilled female archers as a police force, or as hunters, while the men were out at war.

@simeonrice6047

5 жыл бұрын

This is true. I have tried to shoot a bow as a kid. It was way harder than swinging my plastic lightsaber. Heck, I couldn't even fully pull it back without help. My sister could though...

@xertris

5 жыл бұрын

The sword may be easier for a woman to handle, but a male opponent at close range is not. Men are stronger so they can: break their guards more easily, grapple them more effectively, have more stamina for longer fights, and can take any hits given to them far better than women can. In short placing a woman mono e mono with a guy at close range puts her at a severe disadvantage. Anything that puts distance between the women and men evens the odds. Though a man can use higher powered bows, arrows are arrows. If it hits it hurts with only a marginal difference in effectiveness. A better weapon set for a woman is a spear or other polearms. Spears can be fairly light, and create good distance between the woman and man. The sharp point and natural lever minimizes the amount of force required to do damage. For a longer range option a sling or crossbow seems better for woman. A sling is more dependent on the weight of the projectile being swung rather than the strength of the operator. Crossbows, once loaded can be aimed with ease. the more powerful crossbows even have mechanical devices to assist in loading.

@carlirvinenicolas7874

5 жыл бұрын

Bow? Unmanly? Look at Archer!Shirou, he's specified for being great with a bow.

@DivadRovert

5 жыл бұрын

I always thought the trope was more; "Ranged weapons are less manly than melee weapons because X".

I knew since I saw the title that this was going to be a fun video. The rigor and professionalism with which you tackled the topic was amazing! You did not disappoint.

"We need to have our tips touch for warmth." - Manly Men

@ToxicBastard

2 жыл бұрын

"Gingerly"

I think the reason why characters in stories rarely make simple mistakes, is because human error is generally not interesting to read about and does not promote character growth. If a character makes a mistake because of a character flaw such as fear or hubris, that mistake can be used to develop their character to be braver or wiser. The only time human error can be used to drive the plot along is if the character's mistake results in major consequences that force the character onto a completely new track. For example, the character oversleeps and as a consequence misses their boat. This forces the character to take an alternative route to their destination which opens up the possibility of meeting new characters or getting embroiled in new adventures along the road.

@Rynewulf

7 жыл бұрын

But what about humorous mishaps? I'm looking at you Avatar! Sometimes characters muck things up by complete accident or clumsiness and roll with it. When done right it's very interesting, adding a lot of variety and vitality to what otherwise can easily become dull routine in fiction (chase scenes, fight scenes, stealth/ambush, falling/climbing...how many turn out in the same way with the action heroes just beating people up?)

@kirstenpaff8946

7 жыл бұрын

26CLT, humorous mishaps are certainly a fictional mainstay, but they tend to have very little impact on the overall story. The mishap is used for a bit of comedy and then is forgotten for the rest of the story. Often the mishap occurs to the comic relief character, rather than the hero, unless the hero is set out to be socially awkward or is interacting with his love interest. Avatar was an amazing show that put some serious effort into subverting tropes and creating complex characters.

@phoebesulistio6830

6 жыл бұрын

I would figure that human error makes for a more relatable character though no? I mean, I understand why people don't write their characters going to the bathroom or most other biological processes that can't be written to include other characters, but writing in instances of human error is always something I appreciate because it notes that the author remembers that their characters are human too (in instances where they are actually human of course).

@jerrycan1756

6 жыл бұрын

I have never seen a book where a character forgetting something, or oversleeping, or tripping, or whatever, is treated as serious and important and it doesn't come across as really forced. The closest I've seen is a character who died after falling down a flight of stairs, but he was running down the stairs with a broken leg while crying. People don't read books to get a dose of the life they already lead down to the annoying problems with no real solution.

@jackmanleblanc2518

6 жыл бұрын

Yes Nick Johnson your last sentence is the most important part. People don't read stories to get a dose of life, because life overall is boring. It's mundane. Nobody wants to read characters making those kinds of mistakes because the only thing they succeed in is frustrating the reader.

WELL KNOWN UNIVERSAL FACT: You can do nothing without offending someone, somewhere.

@-hello6177

5 жыл бұрын

FUCKING ASSHOLE, WHAT ABOUT THE ALIENS WITHOUT BIG ENOUGH BRAINS, YOU'RE DISCRIMINATING BY NOT ACKNOWLEDGING THEIR EXISTENCE

@ravenfrancis1476

4 жыл бұрын

Doesn't mean jackshit. You can still try to not offend people, and if something you do is offensive to a minority or a persecuted group, then fucking change it. It's not rocket science.

@DeepCFisher

4 жыл бұрын

@@ravenfrancis1476 offense is percieved. Cowtowing to a mob is an excellent way to have no ability to speak

@ravenfrancis1476

4 жыл бұрын

DeepCFisherman Caring about people’s feelings isn’t “cowering to a mob”, Richard Spencer.

@DeepCFisher

4 жыл бұрын

@@ravenfrancis1476 I specifically said cowtowing for a reason. Lol nice use of "everyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi"

Let me just list out my favourite "non-masculine" soft male characters here: - Steven from Steven Universe: Empathetic, emotional, likes cheesy romance shows, has dressed up in a skirt and makeup, etc etc (please don't say "bUt iN SU fUtUrE" that wasn't strength, it was pain) - Aang from ATLA: Again emotional, kind hearted, likes jewelry making - Sokka from ATLA: Likes poetry, dressed in the Kyoshi warrior uniform and makeup to train "like a girl", vulnerable when he wants, not the best at combat, likes rainbows and pretty stuff - Bow from She-Ra: crop tops™, emotional, understanding, usually the one who breaks up fights, mom friend - Milo from Atlantis: skinny, bad at combat, not best described as "heroic" or "chivalrous, probably the first non-buff, non-courageous male lead in a Disney movie? - David from Lilo and Stitch: Likes children, helps Nani with her work and taking care of Lilo, understanding, patient, knows the meaning of consent Wow, funny how most of these "feminine traits" are just natural human emotions? Toxic masculinity really is something.

@kosimiki

2 жыл бұрын

Just think about this. Being emotional is not the same as having natural human emotions. Being bad at combat is treated as feminine because in all of history men were the ones who did the fighting. Dressing up as a girl is surely not a natural thing, since dressing as a girl is a cultural thing. I don't know anyone above the age of 10 who still likes to make jewelry (outside of WOW :D). A common toxic masculanity topic is that man should not cry. I think this has lost its meaning. In older times a man was responsible for his family in terms of livelyhood and safety. In though times the husband or the eldest son was supposed to show to the rest of the family that someone is in charge, they are safe. Don't cry means when your family has a reason to cry, you should be the one to comfort them. Just think about how hard was it for a woman at the strat of the 20th century, dying at birth giving was common, there are no period products etc. If you live a life like that with three children you don't need a 4th, a grown up man who always complains and offers nothing but misery.

@footlong7980

2 жыл бұрын

@@kosimiki like most figurative comparisons, I don't think the OP literally meant that a man should be emotional and always prone to tears in order to be portrayed as naturally humane. I think it's more of "these things can also be addressed as possible in occurring in a man, because they CAN happen, not because they SHOULD happen. That's the point of being natural. We don't always have to pretend that they're not there, and we should be open to the other feasible possibilities.

@skyhideaway

2 жыл бұрын

@@kosimiki Crying all the time isn't ideal for either gender. But the whole "men shouldn't cry and instead comfort others" force men to bottle up their feelings and eventually boil over. Even if they are the head of the family, they need comfort and love too. They need a shoulder to rely on. An emotional man does not automatically equal to a man who just mopes and whines all the time. It just refers to someone who is human. Emotions are chemicals in our brains, you literally cannot and should not repress them. That's just basic knowledge.

as an aside, your ability to satirize youtube comments had me in absolute stitches

Believe it or not the Frodo-Sam thing was how straight relationships were perceived back then and the standards just changed so people see them as gay

@DeathnoteBB

5 жыл бұрын

Corvo@AZ You know gay people exist right?

@cadunkus

5 жыл бұрын

Anyone who's dumb enough to think Sam is gay wasn't paying attention to at any point in the movies/books mentioning Sam's already existing relationship.

@DeathnoteBB

5 жыл бұрын

EvilUnicornLord Bi and polyamorous people exist

@cadunkus

5 жыл бұрын

DeathnoteBB And Sam is neither.

@spectrum3808

5 жыл бұрын

@B T not only that he was writing of relationships born of trial and pain. you become very close with someone when you rely on them to keep you alive.

We are men, manly men.

@videogamebomer

7 жыл бұрын

in tights

@horseenthusiast1250

7 жыл бұрын

In tight T I G H T tights

@USSAnimeNCC-

7 жыл бұрын

High Ground blowing bubbles, chasing jellyfishes, singing goofy guber song, we're goofy guber

@jklinders

7 жыл бұрын

we roam around the forest looking for fights.

@devildavin

7 жыл бұрын

*sings* Men Men men Manly men men men

When I watched Moana, it seemed as though the mistake that almost got them killed was that Maui didn't trust her and wouldn't back her up. The second time around, we see that Moana had the right idea, because the only thing that changed was that Maui decided to help instead of telling her she can't do it.

These trope talks are single-handedly inspiring loads of actual characterisation in my ongoing writing struggles, both with side characters who i couldnt decide on ways to flesh out, and in characters who've already got tons of nuance but maybe not enough straight up personality outside their inner thoughts