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In the context of DGPT Europe Copenhagen Open, I would have liked you to talk more about the merging of European pro tour with DGPT, and its impact on visibility and growth of disc golf as a professional sport. I'd have liked you to review quality of the competition and and presentation of Copenhagen open, the atmosphere, camera work, commentary, etc. Because that matters when you try to grow the sport. You spent 15 minutes discussing whether the 18th hole in Copenhagen should be par 6 or not instead. It's not a good look to throw shade on European events when the sport is making good progress there; you talk like Jesse Nieminen didn't just beat the #3 in DGPT world standings. Props for acknowledging Eveliina Salonen and Kaidi Allsalu's exciting duel. More like that please and less negativity.

48 players 1000+ rated in copenhagen. 31 in LV. Historically pretty insane ratings in LV. And the endless segment of a moot par 6 that was requested by fpo players. Gonna be insufferable listening next year for anything worlds related..

The argument about the par 6 completely ignores that actual Copenhagen Open officials have stated the decision to keep the hole a par 6 for the FPO field was based on FEEDBACK FROM THE PLAYERS. Seems kind of unfair to go on and on about how the decision was lazy without knowing this.

@Ivypoison23

2 ай бұрын

Yup it was deliberately stated they were going to move it to a shorter teepad but the women liked the hole how it was so they just played it as a par 6

@hunterbruce3877

2 ай бұрын

Completely agree with you

@kingchuckfinley

2 ай бұрын

All they had to do was google it, the most minimal research, and they would have figured this out.

@strappstar10

2 ай бұрын

These guys don't do enough research. They quote reddit for God's sake. They're about clicks; brodie trolls Paul would have never let this much goofiness happen. Love jokes but come on, dig a little. Cole R situation is terrible reporting...they even said they made a channel for breaking news lmao kids

@kingchuckfinley

2 ай бұрын

@@strappstar10 the first thing I saw when I opened Reddit (the website is dog water full of insufferable people, but I need the fire to start the day) when the event started was the statement about the players wanting the hole to be a par 6. Literally the first thing, so they don’t even do that amount of research. They could hire someone to just do research, but I think the bad takes is the engagement they’re looking for.

Really dissapointed that you huys have to talk down the European players and events. It was two incredible wins and very entertaining to watch there can be multiple great events at once both have real winners with real struggles to overcome

I found the “Copen” to be very entertaining. Not only is the course a technical challenge, but it is beautiful. The crowds were huge, excited, yet polite, and the commentary was charming, and a refreshing contrast to much of the US coverage, with a very positive, upbeat vibe. FPO was really dramatic down the stretch on the final round, and MPO was really fun to watch, with technical rollers and some fantastic putting- not to mention Uli making a solid run at it! I can’t understand not enjoying the FPO game, or an MPO that is a bit shorter. Sure, I love watching young guns hucking 600’ but there is so much more beauty to be found in the game.

@rileybruce6772

2 ай бұрын

The only complaint about the tournament is the fact that American players decided not to travel to join the field, everything else was incredibly run and an amazing event, disc golf needs to push itself into being a world wide sport and criticism like this isn't helping. Critique the athletes not taking the opportunity to travel and play

@ryry562000

2 ай бұрын

It just didn’t make sense for the Americans to travel that far for 1 tournament and then not having the time they need to get back for practicing for the next tournament. In order for them to get more Americans they should have say two tournaments in Europe and no big ones in the states and do that a couple different times. Just like with the European Open having a few tournaments before and after

@PFMirror

2 ай бұрын

I don't think a course putting up 30 under really qualifies as a technical challenge

@eudyptes5046

2 ай бұрын

@@PFMirror You still need the lowest score to win it.

@fredi9204

2 ай бұрын

@@PFMirror ...you do realize if they dropped 1 from par of every hole from the course it would still be the same course, right? They don't throw golfers in shark tank for bogeying, so I doubt turning par 3s into 2s will have big psychological impact

I really like the podcast and everything about foundation dg, but this was kinda sad how they laugh at european discgolf. In my opinion it was a very professional event with much spectator. Events like this helps to grow the sports, and good players from Europe who can’t afford to travel to the US can get points and screentime also. But other than that, good episode and keep up the good work!

@eudyptes5046

2 ай бұрын

I never saw so many spectators in a US event, except worlds.

What a sad take guys, I wish the DGPT focuses more on Europe in the future. We need to get a big European swing each season. Like 1 month and only have European events during that time. US disc golf is clearly not the future. If the entire field was here in Copenhagen and the event didn't happen during one of the biggest sporting events in Copenhagen, the crowd would have been double, easy. At the exact time the lead card went off, the two biggest clubs in Denmark, both are in Copenhagen, played each other. Just bad luck, but 100% missed more spectators because of it. And yet, still an awesome crowd, with basically only euro players. You guys are dividing disc golf with these kind of takes IMO. US disc golf is stagnated, even going backwards it seems, in terms of spectators

It is not events fault, that the field is not strong enough. Everybody made their decision and who went and won good places got good points. I would say, if top20 in mpo travels, then doesnt matter, where turnament is field wise as European top is the same level as US21-.... in MPO and in FPO the field is same if TOP10 would travel. If we dont have at least 1/3 of a elite series in Europe in few years we make broke half again, because it is unfair to put all the travel to europeans.

MDG media is great. I enjoyed their coverage of the NZ tour.

@kingchuckfinley

2 ай бұрын

It was very good, and I was particularly happy to even get coverage from there. Really cool events

Placing events with prestigue and bigger purses in other places than the US is the best way to grow the sport. It will motivate more younglings to go pro when they see that you can make a living out if it in Europe as well. At the moment DGPT is the top organization that actually drives growth and I love it. But what can you do as a media company? You either invest your focus, expand your knowledge and get on the band wagon early. Or you can try to ridicule it and hope that it will go away on it's own.

@ztsb_koneko

2 ай бұрын

Bingo. As it has been, you can't earn enough in EU to tour here (if there was a tour) and there isn't really a unified scene, no path of progression for players to challenge themselves with tougher competition. For a European player the only real step forward is US, but that's a huge leap. A third party is exactly what's needed to organize and fund the sport here, so that our players can get better naturally before hitting the US, then further drive the competition over there, and eventually offer more great opportunities for US players over in Europe as well. It's all investment in the sport, funneling all of the money into US be terribly short-sighted... You can even see proof of how well this funding boost had paid off in the FPO, people don't realize how much their level of play has skyrocketed over the years.

I dont think its unforgivable that a really young person has moments of immaturity. That's how you learn. Repeated similar actions are what become unacceptable

@nanadolphin

2 ай бұрын

Agreed, every does goofy stuff when they’re young. The next few years determine his image

@ryry562000

2 ай бұрын

I think the way he did it is what has people up in arms, making a video and laughing and joking about it wasn’t a good look but like u said he’s young and everyone does stupid stuff and I’m sure he will learn from this

@routhy46

2 ай бұрын

Part of learning is getting called out. He’s a professional.

Par 6 is true disc golf. Frisbee wants to be thrown not putt

americans complaining about the europe part of this years tour, what else is new. the us pros not bothering is their loss, if they wanted the points they should've gone, the world of disc golf is expanding and americans can either accept it or they can lose alot of points to europeans competing in the europe part of the tour.

Also, they have par 6s in golf. Rare but they have at least one on a nice course. I saw it on TV. They had those back then

I hope Europe becomes the main Pro Tour in the next five years! As a spectator, it's just better in almost all aspects: travel, courses, prices, people, and food. If their MPO level of play rises as their FPO, compared to the US, this will make the transition much more valid.

@johanhulten8155

2 ай бұрын

I hope that we get a true world tour in the next ten years.

Happy to see you getting criticism in the comments on your europe-take. It is growing the sport, if pros want to travel to get points they can, like Uli did. It is also a way for europeans to stay competitive while beeing able to see their own home and culture between stops. Europe stops being pro tour relevant is a great way to spread the sport and you come off as elitist, entitled pricks in this one. 'Murica, fuck yeah...

Enjoy your hot takes. Keep up the good work.

Great episode fellas

There's amateur and college championships listed as majors, and the first european event is the one where the complaining of event status begins. I thought Brodie was the heart of euro hate in foundation... Pre season everyone is for growing the sport world wide, but just don't take anything away from the us. Besides, if the us events had a hundred more europeans touring every year, the copenhagen field would feel stronger because of everyone knowing the players...

@joshuaholzmann854

2 ай бұрын

Finally someone who understands it. Thank you. ❤

Holier than thou take on europe from the i fixed my putt guy is a bad look.

Strokes gained tee to green is a Calvin Heimburg Stat!

MDM coverage is great.

They should make a course with one hole, a par 64.

@Bestpolevaulter

2 ай бұрын

That would actually be pretty entertaining. Would you want it to be just a straight line? Lots of Mandos? Or lots of trees that make “going for it” really dangerous/impossible?

@jamesbabcock9841

2 ай бұрын

@@Bestpolevaulter It was a joke but actually it would be kinda fun just to see it happen once.

@ronjones-6977

2 ай бұрын

@@jamesbabcock9841 3.6 miles would be just about right with each shot around 300 feet. Could be a pain in the ass to keep an accurate score.

@slickmitch

2 ай бұрын

@@Bestpolevaulter 5 miles through a downtown area would be fun.

@PeteEH

2 ай бұрын

Play off hole after a tie.

What do you mean the parks around LA aren’t big enough? There’s 2 full 18 hole courses plus a ton of other space at La Mirada. They could absolutely design a pro level 18 using the whole park and host a great pro tour event there…

Legit vs "non legit" wins is an asinine discussion. The governing body of the sport sanctioned the event as an Elite event, Jesse won, end of discussion.

Hmmm, so it’s almost like Par DOES matter. 🤔

Dang that is crazy Connor Roc won. I went to watch the last round on Gatekeeper and saw that Gannon was like 10 strokes ahead of everyone starting the round, and I just turned it off. Should have watched it 😂

Such an immature way of covering the happenings at Copenhagen open... Real sad! Talk about the good stuff so we can have a stronger field next time, because the course and event was real entertaining. No need to make fun of the win...

You guys have Ashley Plantation golf course near you that has a par 6 in Daleville Va. Nice course too.

Make a video of playing that course. My boy Conner might wupp you

I don’t think DNF’s are a problem if you legitimately have an injury or think that playing the tournament will injure yourself. But it’s an issue is people are dropping like redalen

You could make every hole a par 10 and it would change absolutely nothing. The poont is to complete the course in less shots than the competition, par means nothing

Masters cup lass weekend too

Hunter "I had to do the math backwards" Me "subtraction"

The video from Cole was lame but the discourse around it has definitely reminded me how much the disc golf community loves to beat a dead horse. And how goofy and over the top the fans can be.

Great take from Trevor about par driving how players attack the hole

Lets go guys!

How many people still say TV?

Yes for the drive home !

It's so sad to watch most the US-based tournaments which have basically no crowds compared to the European events. And the courses are so much more beautiful in Europe as well. It's comical that these guys think the US version of the sport in somehow superior.

Why do you keep saying that LVC had a stronger field than Copenhagen Open? You never provided any proof to this. To prove the opposite, Copenhagen open had 48 players over 1000-rated, whereas LVC only 31. I don't think it's fair to call it based solely on the presence of a couple top pros, when there's plenty of young talent in Europe capable of shooting 1040-1050 golf over three rounds.

@GripLocked

2 ай бұрын

statmando.com/rankings/field-strength/mpo/2024

a good solution would be a suspension from the next "registered" event. there's not enough money in the sport for fines. there's a ton of reasons why a suspension would be good like losing our on payout, and giving someone on the wait list a chance to get their name out there

Lol Trevor's brain short circuited at 20:30

I’d argue trail running has a “tour” to some degree. Check the UTMB qualification process.

I tried watching the coverage, after the 1st round i just couldn't do it any more. Made me question if i actually love disc golf or i just really love watching certain people play disc golf. The event just felt so blah. Im not mad about it though, i dont have to enjoy every event. I hope the europeans liked it at least, if not then whats the point really.

@samz1108

2 ай бұрын

I tried watching both events and I got bored by both the course and the commentary of LVC and bored of Copenhagen due to the weaker strength of field.

Of course Las Vegas has more views postproduced - Copenhagen was live on DGN! for me Copenhagen was the best watching experience outside of the majors.

It wasn’t on tour because Jeff Jacquart wanted the stop to be more about the players and Jeff Spring didn’t.

Maybe an unpopular opinion but the “Everything is a par 3” mentality is so annoying to me.

@FuckGoogle2

2 ай бұрын

Par 4 holes are the future.

@MrDong101

2 ай бұрын

It's all in your head. Strokes are strokes.

@Bestpolevaulter

2 ай бұрын

@@MrDong101 and that’s annoying to me. There’s nothing wrong with playing the actual par, and saying I got a birdie on the par 5 rather than getting a bogey on a par 3 is just much more accurate to what golf is supposed to be.

@MrDong101

2 ай бұрын

@@Bestpolevaulter I play on courses with 290 foot par 4s. Feels ridiculous claiming an eagle.

@Bestpolevaulter

2 ай бұрын

@@MrDong101 yeah we have a course like that too, but that’s when they made the pars with the dog frisbees in mind. That course here has the correct pars on UDisc (only 2 par 4’s 500+) so I use whatever UDisc says. There’s obviously a point where common sense takes over. But I’m not gonna play a 1000 ft hole as a par 3. And then just say that I got a double bogey.

Salt Lake City has a larger population vs Emporia or Jonesboro. We also have a course 30 min north that held a world championship event. The SLC area has a lot of disc golf passion (not to mention infinity discs in N Utah). There should be a pro tour event here.

Kevin should focus on disc golf and worry about music after his disc golf career is over...

Connor really doesn’t know who Connor Rock is? C’mon man, even I know who Connor Rock is

More reporting, less long-winded opinions.

A lot of par 3s should be par 2.

Crying in Brent Hambrick Memorial Open

Cole Redalen should be forced to play a full C tier as punishment

@MrDong101

2 ай бұрын

Then dnf while leading the final round.

I dont agree with what Cole did, but why arent we talking about how unacceptable it is to wait at a tee for 45mins? This channel often complains about the length of time it takes for a tournament. If players are waiting 45mins because of a playoff thats terrible planning, and people should be upset at the DGPT too. Id be furious if i paid to play and then had to sit for 45mins getting completely out of my tournament mindset because the DGPT didnt plan in any buffer time in case the new playoff structure they chose happened.

1:02:19 sister in-laws boyfriend? walk me through that bc wouldn’t it be your brother’s wife.

@Falcon888

2 ай бұрын

I would assume it’s his wife’s sister’s boyfriend…

@ryandoherty7994

2 ай бұрын

@@Falcon888 Haha idk how i missed that lol ty

I think part of the West Coast being dropped had something to do with Natalie Ryan situation

Tell Trevor to iron his shirt

@johnjenkins9445

2 ай бұрын

dude has a baby! a clean shirt is already a miracle!

@jonathanparker7801

2 ай бұрын

@@johnjenkins9445 I have a baby and have clean shirts and even clean underwear 🤯

@chrisproffitt6198

2 ай бұрын

Who irons T shirts, thats a stupid ass take

@scottw5253

2 ай бұрын

People who care about their appearance and how they are perceived by others, iron t-shirts.

@feelthepayne88

2 ай бұрын

Lol

Trevor stop interrupting hunter please