I own 3 TRCs, including the Apocalypse, as well as several Fallknivens, including the A1 VG10. I recently ordered a A1 Pro. I love the Apocalypse, and carried it on a recent 2 week off road motorcycle trip to the Rocky Mountains. It is ~40% heavier than the A1: 20 oz with sheath, vs ~14oz for the A1 w Zytel, sheaths included in weight. It was the "monsoon season" in CO, so leather sheaths would be at a disadvantage, since they can absorb water. The A1 is 1" shorter, but has more cutting edge, due to the huge finger choil on the TRC. I paid $115 more for the TRC, than the "standard" A1. I'd say the TRC wins in cool factor/looks, and the A1 wins in practicality (6 oz lighter, more compact, similar capability, more edge). Ounces make pounds. There have been A1 destruction tests since, but "All Outdoors" did a multi-part A1 destruction test ~ 7 years ago, where they did just about everything you can imagine to the A1. The A1, even in VG10, is more than tough enough for any likely survival scenario. Next time I'm riding back country trails, I'll have the A1 Pro on my belt.

@khalidalonso2290

2 жыл бұрын

Instablaster.

@00lincoln

2 жыл бұрын

What about the Dark Timber Honey Badger?

@Wastelander13

2 жыл бұрын

Alloutdoor's destruction test of the A1 is insane and great to see what that knife can take. To me its about the best knife that exists, really hard to beat. Cheers.

Thanks for the video! I've been looking at both knives as so this is very helpful. :-)

@thecavemanknivesreview.8097

3 жыл бұрын

Glad that I can help. Thank you for your feedback.

Great review! Really appreciate the content!

You can use flat part on the tip spine to strike a ferro rod. Works great!

I'm fan of a both knifes but now you help me to take a decision. Thank you so much.

@thecavemanknivesreview.8097

3 жыл бұрын

You're welcome. I'm happy that I can help.

@gtrul3s387

3 жыл бұрын

Out of curiosity. What is tour decision?😬

Awesome review. A1 better for extreme cold weather and the laminate steel and convex edge goes through wood like butter. Trc fit and finish is incredible and that Elmax steel holds a great edge and balance is excellent. Agree with you that that fallkniven sheaths leave something to be desired. Trc sheath is awesome. If I had to choose one it would be the Trc!

@John-lr3ix

3 жыл бұрын

The dbk edition of the trc also comes with a convex edge

i dont know if its d added weight on d trc but the sound when it hits d wood feels so comforting

Great video brother. I love my TRC collection..

@thecavemanknivesreview.8097

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks brother. TRC knives are definitely in a high standard when we refer to quality. Imposible not to love them.

Great vid, keep up the good work! On top of the swedge of the trc apocalypse is a flat area to strike a ferro rod. It’s only a small area but it can be done easily in that spot. I got both knives except the apocalypse is the dbk edition with a convex edge instead of the standard v edge from factory. Having a convex edge on the trc makes all the difference. But either way you can not go wrong with either one, both are top tier designs. But if I had to pick, trc!!

@thecavemanknivesreview.8097

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the info. I just realized that after you point it out. Yes the TRC is superior on everything except the wood processing. But if you have your with convex grind, that make it better. Thank you for watching and commenting.

@tawaitai

3 жыл бұрын

TRC is a holy-grail or Legacy Knife, one that you would pass down thru generations.

@secretsquirrell13

Жыл бұрын

Oh yeahhh…..I noticed that the TRC lacked in the wood processing department and to me was more of a combat knife instead of a survival knife. So I took my $500 knife and hand ground a convex edge. Been sharpening and reprofiling for many years so I was reluctantly confident to do it. And…..it’s much better for wood processing now and in my opinion with the convex edge it’s a true dual use combat/survival knife.

I have the apocalypse and South pole and they are my favorite knives a close second is white river.

You're English is just fine. Keep up the good work!

Hi there from Greece. Very nice vid. Thumbs up from me. Two Awesome knives side by side.. I already have the fallkniven s1x as my all around companion knife. I am planing to buy soon the white river M1 backpaker for my edc fixed blade knife and for a bigger blade my choice would be the Trc apocalypse! My opinion is that every knife over 6" must have a finger choil for better control for smaller tasks something A1 pro or A1x hasn't. Trc would be my choice...

TRC is totally on a different level. Material wise, craftsmanship and even durability of the cutting edge as you have shown in the video.

@bossmodus5020

7 ай бұрын

💯

Thanks for the Great Video Brother 👌

@thecavemanknivesreview.8097

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you brother. For watching and commenting.

What about the handle, as in, which one feels better in hand? Which one would cause fatigue faster doing tasks?

The Fallkniven grind is so low, that is more of a scandi-vex, rather than saber-convex. TRC knives and Beckers, especially the BK7, also the Terävä Jääkäripuukko 110 and the Skrama, are the way to go, for good survival knives. Bark River, make great hunting knives, like the Fox River. LT Wright is more of a camping, companion knife. Adventure Sworn and Jacklore, make some of the best Bushcraft knives. Morakniv makes the best budget bushcraft knives, great for wood carving. Don't forget your Victorinox SAK and or Spirt X multitool and you have the best production tools! PS Axes. Fiskars,Gransfors Bruks, Fenix... some of the best, for any budget.

@lyman135

3 жыл бұрын

Well, that was one long, subjective, generalization.

If I had a disposable income I would definitely buy the TRC they are on another level if you ask me. I find Falkniven to be way overpriced especially for the materials. Vg10. I liked some of their designs but can't justify the waste of money when plenty will do the same job for less then a1/3. The other thing that blows my mind is people worrying about using a ferro rod on a knife. Ferro rods were for survival in my day, they are very soft even if you used your edge you wouldn't hurt anything. I don't see designing a knife for something you never use. Plus every ferro rod has a striker. But I guess these are the same people pay hundreds of dollars for a knife they most likely will never use.

@magnuskarlsson2924

3 жыл бұрын

The steel in the Fallkniven A1-pro is Lam Cos. A cobalt steel that takes a razor sharp edge, keeps it well and is fairly easy to sharpen. It is way better than VG10. Besides that the TRC is okay in a mild climate. But you would never want to use it in harsh and cold winter conditions. Both knives have their merit. But the Elmax in the TRC is a pain to sharpen. Unless you have a belt grinder.

@richardhenry1969

3 жыл бұрын

@@magnuskarlsson2924 mine is more in the prices. In my experience I've got everything done and done well with 5160, and 1095. Mostly on cheap knives. Seems a few years ago all the very good cheap knives went way up in price. What blows my mind is they are the same materials just way more money. I just can't justify $200 on a knife when a$30 will do the exact same job.

@richardlouis4412

2 жыл бұрын

The A1 Pro is CoS, not VG10.

@magnuskarlsson2924

2 жыл бұрын

@@richardhenry1969 Well the edge retention on 5160 is rather poor. It's not comparable to Lam Cos. One thing to remember is that the Fällkniven knives are laminated. That is a complicated process that makes their knives expensive. I use both cheap and expensive knives. A Mora will do the same job as a more expensive hand made knife. But my favourite knives are all hand made in my favourite materials. They are just more fun to use, have better ergonomics and a good steel sure does keep an edge better. But each to their own. If you are pleased with cheaper knives there is no reason to pay more. I wouldn't spend money on something I don't think is worth it either. I sure don't when it comes to most things. But knives and other tools are the kind of things I actually do think is worth the extra money.

@richardhenry1969

2 жыл бұрын

@@magnuskarlsson2924 I personally think knives are get ridiculous for what it is. Really my favorite knives for chopping are carbon steel. But for other tasks I use folders. I’m a person that has worked with steel and metals my whole life. So I guess it’s hard to explain how the market has people fooled. The price of material is not what your paying for. That’s how China is stealing the market in everything.

Good informative video. Don’t sweat it regarding your English, it’s infinitely better than my Spanish..😜

@thecavemanknivesreview.8097

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you sir!

great review brother!

@thecavemanknivesreview.8097

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you brother!

Two awesome knifes. have/had both

@thecavemanknivesreview.8097

3 жыл бұрын

Yes they are. Thank you for watching and commenting.

Great review. In my experience convex grinds baton through wood much better than flat grinds, so the A1 should be superior in that aspect.

Good video bro, thanks.

@thecavemanknivesreview.8097

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching.

I'm surprised at how bad the edge stability of the A1 pro is. It took big rolls from the pipe cutting. And the thickness and scandi-vex geometry should produce a strong edge. My only explanation is that they heat treat the steel softer because it is supposed to be a survival knife.

Hi, great videos! Have you had any problems with the Elmax microchipping?

@thecavemanknivesreview.8097

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. And no. No problem in the times that I used it.

Thanks alot! Very nice video. I tried to find smth like this compare, but there is nothing. This will be very usefull for all.

@thecavemanknivesreview.8097

3 жыл бұрын

Glad that I can help.Thank you for watching and commenting.

How is your Tier1-C holding up hermano

Do you say apocalypse micarta handle for blue? Because I see many google images with grayish but a lot of video with blueish color.

@thecavemanknivesreview.8097

3 жыл бұрын

Is Black Micarta.

👍👍👏

Either one would do. Man you must have some bucks!!!!

That wood chopping test depends on your aim. Which wasn't to good.

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Bro, you just like me....dropped out of measuring school!🤣😂

@thecavemanknivesreview.8097

2 жыл бұрын

Lol.

Have you stropped or resharpened de a1 pro before testing it ?

@thecavemanknivesreview.8097

3 жыл бұрын

Yes sir. It was lightly stopped.

@maximebey5729

3 жыл бұрын

@@thecavemanknivesreview.8097 and did the edge behave better than esee6 or other 1095 knives against chipping in hard wood during choppipng and batonning ?

@thecavemanknivesreview.8097

3 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't know. The only damage it got was from cutting the pipe. It have better edge retention than 1095 for sure. 1095 is probably stronger.

@maximebey5729

3 жыл бұрын

@@thecavemanknivesreview.8097 ok so you didnt have any problem after chopping on hard wood ?

@thecavemanknivesreview.8097

3 жыл бұрын

No sir.Is a great blade.

What is funny is that I dont feel confused because I own them both, The fallkniven A1 Pro survival Kit and the TRC Apocalypse Apo Finish just because ;)

@lloydjacobson1812

2 жыл бұрын

Which do u prefer overall ?

@zeewa1992

2 жыл бұрын

@@lloydjacobson1812 well mate I bought the Fällkniven first and I used it, very good knife indeed and very well made . However it has this mass produce looks in it ( not cheap at all but generic look). However, when I had my hand on the TRC Apocalypse Viruses Addition, mate the knife feel like a piece of art, well made and looks amazing. One difference is that the TRC feel more balanced in hand and has better steel. They both quite heavy knives. Back to you question, yeh I do have both, I used my Fällkniven A1 Pro and it is amazing. But I bought the TRC APOCALYPSE Virus and it is so good that I didn't used it and kept it as collectible. If I have to chose one, then the TRC will be the way to go. the only problem with TRC that it doesnt have a shape adge other than the cutting edge to light the flint for fire. Hope that helped

@Tom_367

2 жыл бұрын

@@zeewa1992 the trc has an area near the tip where you can strike a fire steel. DBK shows it in their video.

Wow, that is some old computer paper!

TRC anytime. Thanks for the review.

DBK reviewed the TRC and gave it a 8/10 for fire starting

@thecavemanknivesreview.8097

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe the finish on this specific edition. Or maybe the DBK where trying to sell it. Never mind they do sell it.

@danyboyg1535

3 жыл бұрын

@@thecavemanknivesreview.8097 i think it is the blade finished it has

@John-lr3ix

3 жыл бұрын

@@thecavemanknivesreview.8097 where the knive gets thicker towards the tip there are 90° on the spine

@thecavemanknivesreview.8097

3 жыл бұрын

@@John-lr3ix it is, but the finish doesn't let it scratch properly.

@wikimrozinska6342

11 ай бұрын

​@@thecavemanknivesreview.8097 well there is few inches where you can use it for fire starting

It been way too long! Please, pretty please bring the blade as close as possible to the camera when showing the edge damage. It's super interesting.

@thecavemanknivesreview.8097

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the input. I have a dilemma when making the video. If I record with my Canon 5d ,the voice is very clear but I struggle with the video because I have to adjust manually. And if I record with the Gopro the wind makes the sound annoying. I will try to get a external mic for the Gopro and maybe get better close up of the blade. Thank you for watching and commenting again.

@topfueljunkie100

3 жыл бұрын

I second this! Good suggestion! And thanks Caveman for this video. Very good and informative! I LOVE that you did not only the wood chopping comparison but that you did more of an extreme edge test by chopping the copper pipe. I wish more people did this as it really shows more about durability of the edge that a user is likely to see with repeated use. Just doing some light feathersticking and batoning won't stress the edge much and therefore isn't as useful in telling us about edge retention and the like. Thanks again!

@sheltermonkey6065

3 жыл бұрын

@@thecavemanknivesreview.8097 If you have time, check out Stassa23's Quiet Carry Drift Thumbstud version review video. He tests the edge on a lot of different materials.

Caveman hahahab What a great name We should create yt universe, where is ricky

The A1Pro would be stronger for prying because it's laminated. The TRC could possibly break.

@thecavemanknivesreview.8097

3 жыл бұрын

Probably right.

@bossmodus5020

7 ай бұрын

🤣🤦

I'm sorry, but I can't see this cutting metal rod part. Really very effective way how to destroy the blade. And also firerod on the sharp edge, brrr

@thecavemanknivesreview.8097

3 жыл бұрын

Not worries brother. The test is not for everyone. That's is a little extra test I do to give a hard use situation to the knife. Any knife can cut wood. But not any can cut metal. Even though if is not made for that. Both of the knife are offer as a trust last resource. Is good to know how far you can push it before it fail. At least that's my opinion. But I get it. Is not everyone opinion. And by the way. After menor sharpening they are like new. Nothing destroyed. Thank you for watching and sharing your opinions.

Is this chevato talking english??

Two different steels. Convex is thicker if you made the trc grinded into a secondary convex it would beat the V edge in strength.

@thecavemanknivesreview.8097

3 жыл бұрын

V edge is stronger than convex.

@vagabond4576

3 жыл бұрын

@@thecavemanknivesreview.8097 Sure buddy thinner is stronger than thicker. You just broke the laws of physics. The V edge I do admit is sharper to start with because its thin but it will dull faster than the thick grind. You got your video but theres a lot more vids out there that proves convex last longer for a reason. Not gonna repeat myself nor further the argument if you close your mind to your favorite grind.

@thecavemanknivesreview.8097

3 жыл бұрын

I just said what I have seen on my test. I don't think that stronger and edge retention would be the same. The V edge is stronger than convex because it has a limit. Convex dosen't, is similar to scandi just a little more ticker before reaching the cutting bevel. I don't have a favorite grind. And obviously we have different options. I respect yours and I based mine on my personal experiences. I'm not trying to make a knife or brand looks bad. I don't earn anything of it. Have a good one. And thank you for watching and sharing your opinion.

@vagabond4576

3 жыл бұрын

@@thecavemanknivesreview.8097 Opinions... Worst starters on the debate on facts vs opinions. I get what your saying but that still is like saying a finger is stronger than a fist. But I get it. Your OPINION is misleading because when it all comes down to in TESTS is how it lasts. Your going on about intended use. But not strength. I cant change your opinion but you gotta make it more clearer and concise. In real your edge cuts sharper. But not last longer than a convex which in real most people that go for long uses on durability. That is the strength. That it wont dull. A sharper knife has its uses but its still not stronger. It is sharper. I also admit it cuts better for intended use like food prep. But wont last long in the bush. Im not gonna read more of this since your dead set and I already kinda get what your saying but its like saying a finger while I can be accurate by poking someones eye instead of a fist. That makes a finger stronger than a fist. No the finger is not stronger. Its a use intended better for the purpose. Opinions is never a good thing to say on debates. Its a dead conversation when you say opinions. Dont bother replying. Im just ending my two cents and get to what your saying. I just couldnt rap around your Definition and opinion. Wont read another of your definition of Strength or stronger. Opinion not fact. Limit vs not limit? WTH? LOL. Good day to you too.www.knivesandtools.com/en/ct/knife-grinds.htm#:~:text=Remarkable%20about%20the%20convex%20grind,edge%20and%20still%20cut%20smoothly.

@thecavemanknivesreview.8097

3 жыл бұрын

Whatever you said buddy. You are based on other people's tests and opinions. I based my opinion on own experiences. If you want to see the strength of convex vs V edge. Check the video of Bark river JX5 real vs clone on my channel. Bark River is 3v and the clone is Pakimascus. But then again. Is your opinion.

If you are in a survival situation and you pick the wrong one of these two knives - you die instantly. INSTANTLY!

@thecavemanknivesreview.8097

9 ай бұрын

100%

@whynottalklikeapirat

9 ай бұрын

@@thecavemanknivesreview.8097 Happened to me on several occasions😐

Just wish TRC would make a apocalypse virus version in satin finish, with black g10 handle.

Nice review.?

@thecavemanknivesreview.8097

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you.

Hola hace un tiempo me hice con un apocalypsis pero algo más raro si acero es el rwl 34 nunca vi ninguno en tienda siempre lo he visto en m390 o elmax es un cuchillazo aunque algo elevado el precio

@thecavemanknivesreview.8097

3 жыл бұрын

Hola Alfonso. Tienes una pieza rara. Yo nunca he visto uno en rwl 34. Y sí, los trc son espléndidos cuchillos. Pero el precio es bastante elevado como dices. Un saludo.

@alfonsoknives522

3 жыл бұрын

@@thecavemanknivesreview.8097 si por lo que tengo entendido son de las primeras piezas que se sacaron no sé el número exacto pero tampoco yo he visto ninguna aparte de la mía que si viene grabado en el lomo un saludo

@thecavemanknivesreview.8097

3 жыл бұрын

En mi opinión tu cuchillo va a ganar valor como coleccionable,porque yo nunca he visto uno en ese acero. Y creo que tu fuiste uno de los primeros en darte cuenta que tan buena es la marca.

@alfonsoknives522

3 жыл бұрын

@@thecavemanknivesreview.8097 si sí para mí es una pieza muy coleccionable se quedará en casa en la vitrina jeje gracias un saludo

@thecavemanknivesreview.8097

3 жыл бұрын

Saludos

Trc 9 , Falkniven 1 for convex

TRC !!!

How do you afford all these expensive blades?

@thecavemanknivesreview.8097

3 жыл бұрын

I don't save much?

@lyman135

3 жыл бұрын

Rude

@gtrul3s387

3 жыл бұрын

By not being poor

@tawaitai

3 жыл бұрын

@@gtrul3s387 🤡

@gtrul3s387

3 жыл бұрын

@@tawaitai it’s the sad truth! Maybe you can’t! But he can!

This guy tries his best but he does not even realize that when you measure something with a ruler or tape measure- you start at ZERO.......not at ONE INCH.

@thecavemanknivesreview.8097

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you. Maybe I didn't measure right on the video because I knew the measurement already. But believe me. I know how to use a tape measure. I used it almost every day for my job. Electrician. Sorry if I didn't do it right on the video. But you are right. I do try my best.

@tawaitai

3 жыл бұрын

I noticed that also.

You took two expensive tools and intentionally damaged them by batoning metal?! Glad you have the money to play with foolish tests.

@thecavemanknivesreview.8097

2 жыл бұрын

I take 2 survival blades and tested them to see if I could trust them in an situation where I need to used them more than taking pictures for Facebook. I'm glad that you can afford not to use your knife because you are scared to damage them.

@floppinfish

Жыл бұрын

@@thecavemanknivesreview.8097 Spot on. Couldn't have said it any better. These people save up forever to get their favorite knife. Then never use it cause they don't want to damage it. If I spend $500 on a knife. You bet I'm gonna get my money worth out of it. It's gonna be a high mileage knife. If I break it. Oh well. Guess I'll have to get another.

Hi good comparison but it is clear the Fallkniven may get more damage it is because of the V10 core this steel is brittle but anyway both of them are superb.

@thecavemanknivesreview.8097

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the comments. But the Fallkniven is Laminated COS. Is supposed to be better steel than vg10. But obviously not better than Elmax.

TRC any day of the week. Falkniven are crap . The handles are to soft. But comfortable for all the backyard adventures!

Trc. No no doubt.

Great review! Really appreciate the content!

@thecavemanknivesreview.8097

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!