Let us know what you think about this legislation that would ban trans girls from playing on girls' sports in high school. And remember, keep it respectful, please!

@siyacer

3 жыл бұрын

Self mutilation does not make you a girl

@AboveTheNoise

3 жыл бұрын

@@siyacer Confused by your comment. This video isn't about self harm or mutilation.

@siyacer

3 жыл бұрын

@@AboveTheNoise Yes

@thelegalsystem

3 жыл бұрын

@@AboveTheNoise theyre implying trans people self mutilate to be perceived as women, which is both hateful and ignorant.

@MrClassicmetal

3 жыл бұрын

Hmmm... My response, which is devoid of anything offensive, has been removed...

"there's more to sports than winning and losing"?? tell that to all the football scholarships

@sailorsister211

Жыл бұрын

Or any sports in general. I have seen transgender athletes make comments similar to this, it's just a medal or winning isn't everything. Comments like these are not helping your case, you're mostly screwing yourself over since in sports in general winning is everything. If you do college sports, if you cause the game, you best believed you will get death threats. Many jocks even take gym classes seriously. I do rmr during homecoming week, we did powderpuff games, the prize was the satisfaction of winning, the girls will still get intense and be very nasty with each other. There were a lot of insults and injuries. Even in kid's sports, I see parents, coaches, and kids get upset when they lose. My guy friend was an assistant coach for the 1st-grade team and he said the soccer parents were crazy. Plus in sports, if you suck or are holding the team back, coaches, teammates, and parents won't be afraid to tell you that you suck and they won't tell you in the nicest and most respectful way possible to not hurt your feelings, quiet the opposite. For a jock to say winning isn't everything many people will translate is I don't take the game seriously or I don't try hard enough.

You have very significant adventages if you are born as a male : bone density, lung capacity, higher natural testosterone level, squeleton structure etc... I know that there is more than this but that is already a lot. Trans atheletes who transitioned from male to female and crush the rest of cis females are not widespread and common but that could be due to exterior factors such as the way they are treated in society in general. It does not mean that it will never be the case, maybe hopefuly in 100 years when the quality of life will be the same as the rest of the population they could destroy the females categories of sports. A better alternative (in my opinion) would be to authorize people that transition before puberty which would make it a much more level plane field. Anyway, have a good day.

@Azlare9_9

3 жыл бұрын

Just make all sports not separated is my opinion for multiple reasons a big one is no one cares about the beat in a given thing like speedruns for example majority of people dont care about how fast you went glitchless majority just care about the fastest possible like how women sports are dieing well many factors like no one cares about the best of a given category they care about the best

@itsukisumeragi1816

2 жыл бұрын

Ummm. I was transgender since 8 so no that don't apply to me I am now 13

@LittleKittyMine69

2 жыл бұрын

So what about the female-to-males on Testosterone being forced to compete against women????????

@jeanniemaycrawford4466

2 жыл бұрын

@@itsukisumeragi1816 bruh, you barely went through puberty, please sit down

@jeanniemaycrawford4466

2 жыл бұрын

@@LittleKittyMine69 again, they need to stop using testosterone when competing as it's performance enhancing

i'm just the first video of this channel in and i'm already glad i've found out about this channel [found out about, through it's okay to be smart] keep up the great work on the topics and you're a great host xD thanks for the content.

@AboveTheNoise

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for checking us out and leaving a kind comment. We love It's Okay To Be Smart!

Typical Testosterone Levels 280 to 1,100 ng/dL for men 15 to 70 ng/dL for women This means that a man in the 10th percentile for testosterone has 4 times the testosterone of a woman in the 90th percentile. For all of the areas where men and women are very similar, testosterone levels is not one of them with virtually no overlap at all. Taking hormone therapy for only 1 year is a low bar for claiming biological parody. Sure, muscle mass and testosterone levels decrease, but testosterone during development affects more than just muscle mass such as bone density and there are other ways men may have the advantage such as height. 90ng/dL of testosterone would be considered "regular female testosterone levels" but would still put the athlete at basically the 99th percentile. You may as well legalize the use of steroids and doping. "While researching this episode, I haven't been able to find any highly publicized incidents of trans-girls dominating girls' sports..." When looking for evidence of anything, whether or not it's "highly publicized" is a terrible metric for judging veracity or applicability, especially when looking at a state like California. I expect more from a channel that claims to be "above the noise." Even if we accept the axiom that there isn't a systematic domination of transgenders in girls' sports--I have no reason to disbelieve the stat from The New York Times that only 50 in 200,000 college athletes are trans--that doesn't change the Fact that when a trans-girl does compete in girls' sports, they have a disproportionate advantage. There is plenty of evidence for this. I found these examples after about ~5 minutes of research: Mack Beggs, 18-year-old transgender: undefeated, wins tournament in Cypress outside of Houston. Laurel Hubbard wins gold at Australasian Championships. Jillian Bearden won the bicycle race El Tour de Tucson. Andraya Yearwood won girls 100-meter and 200-meter dashes at Connecticut high school. CeCe Telfer became NCAA Division II national champion in the 400-meter run. Terry Miller won 200-meter dash at Connecticut state open championship track meet. Even if we were to agree that keeping trans-women from competing in girls sports amounts to oppression, you still have to consider the affect that it has on the other girls involved. Are you going to oppress the one transgender person by telling them they can't compete with an unfair advantage, or the 50 girls they're competing against by taking away their chance of winning. To be clear, I am most definitely not saying that keeping trans-girls from competing in girls' sports is oppression. There are plenty of reasons that many people are not able to participate in competitive sports. You may argue that the government has no place regulating sports competitions and that these rules should be left to the organizations hosting the competitions themselves deciding what they think is fair or not. I would agree with this except when government funding is involved such as in the public school system, but that opens a whole other can of worms. As an anecdotal addition, I play on a local sports legue where teams consist of both men an women, but this isn't an issue because there's no pretending that we're giving a space specifically for women to compete. There is a reason men's sports and women's sports were separated in the first place and it certainly wasn't oppression. Reply how you want, I promise I won't insult anyone.

@ellioa3978

3 жыл бұрын

Simply going to say transmen are men, transwomen are women, sports are games that don’t really matter, theyre entertainment that requires skill. People try to mask their hatred with bs reasoning, not saying you, but these laws.

@MrClassicmetal

3 жыл бұрын

The heaviest weight ever bench pressed by a woman is 457 lbs. And she weighs well _above_ 200 lbs. www.powerliftingwatch.com/records/raw/women-world A male lifter who weighs just 132 lbs. lifted 465 lbs. www.powerliftingwatch.com/records/raw/world And those lifts were performed during UNTESTED events. So both the man and the woman were juiced to the gills. This is merely to demonstrate the _huge_ difference in strength between the sexes, even when hormones are no longer a factor. People who want trans women to compete with women often conveniently overlook those other factors, while solely focusing on testosterone levels.

@ellioa3978

3 жыл бұрын

@David Lightman you realize that scientifically there are more then two sexes for that exact reason right? Xx and xy aren’t the only chromosome pairings so try again.

@aster9809

2 жыл бұрын

transwomen take estrogen and hormone blockers, if they're on those (which cease the production of testosterone), yes they should play if they wna. also, yall love to talk about transfems but don't realize that there's literally transmen (ftm) who are on testosterone and are sent to girl's sports. since people with high testosterone levels can't play against people with high estrogen levels, talk about that for a second.

@SadMonkeyz935

2 жыл бұрын

Funny how the channel replies to everyone supporting them, but not to you even though you raised valid points.

This is quite the controversial topic, and here is my opinion on the matter. Firstly, in children's sports. My take is to just let the kids play. It's a kids league. Even if it isn't the kind that gives everyone a participation trophy, it's not a serious matter. Let the kids play in whichever league they want to play. Now on to the big leagues. This is where it gets difficult. In extremely physical sports like MMA or boxing, I feel that there needs to be a separation for reasons. Men have a distinct genetic advantage (hormones, bone density, ect.), although exceptions could be made, say for those that received hormone blockers before puberty. For the others, I think it's best to open a new division, one that is specifically catered to transgender athletes. Again, there will be some cases and events that will see us mixing those in the transgender division with the other divisons, but on the whole, all athletes will stick to their asigned division. This isn't out of malice or discrimination, rather as a health precaution. Before allowing trans men to compete against cis men, they need to be verified that they can hold their own. While we are talking about violent sports, we don't want anyone getting seriously injured or killed, god forbid. Same for trans women competing against cis women. The verifying would be centered around comparing their hormone, weight ratio, and other factors to those of the majority of the competition. (Other methods of verifying are possible, but that's not tge main point I'm trying to get across here.) Otherwise, things could get very messy. In these kinds if sports, while it is known that it's just a game, a living is a living, and when the check depends on success, things like sportsmanship, that are a big part of little league, just won't show up often, if at all. Finally, we get to team sports and the more athletic competitions. This is where things get really complicated. Think of the time when the 203rd ranked men's tennis player played against the top two women's tennis players back to back. He didn't just beat both of them. He wiped the floor with them, 6-1 and 6-2, respectively. Another time, a group of 9th grade boys played a game of soccer against one of the top women's soccer teams, and it wasn't even close. 15 year old boys vs. grownup women, and the boys won. As painful as it is, sometimes we need to recognize facts. However, these are team sports, and in such cases, I don't care how good you are, a single player CANNOT carry an entire team. The trans athlete may be the star player, but the team's success is to the TEAM'S merit, not just theirs. Keep in mind, many athletes in these sports have genetic factors that give them an advantage, like taller basketball players. I don't see any issue with trans athletes competing in the division that matches their identity. This is also the case when it comes to stuff like marathon running. Trans athletes wouldn't have an exact advantage over the others, since they are their own competitor. You race to improve your own time, not to beat someone elses. If it's a matter of claiming that they stole the women's 1st place from an "actual woman", tough noogies, that's not how it works. Everyone competes together, so it's not like you can really exclude them anyway. However, this isn't the case in Olympic events and other similar sports, like BMX, swimming, and other such events. In those cases, there is a clear competition, with single competitors taking on a group of their peers. In such cases, I think it's up for debate. Do we need to verify each trans athlete before they can be cleared to compete in their preferred division? Should we just chalk the male hormones as a natural genetic advantage pertaining to these athletes? Hard to say. There is no health risk here, and it's a competition between individuals, where you rise or fall based on your performance. This is actually the category of sports that has the most controversy regarding the trans athletes, and it's not hard to see why. There's no special health risk that comes up, and technique is more relevant than strategy. I've still yet to make up my mind in this regard, but feel free to drop your own opinion on this matter!

I agree with some of these bills. Boys during and after puberty DO have an advantage over girls of the same age. That is a biological fact. Identifying as another gender doesn't change your biology or body type. I am in favor of people transitioning if they want to, but I think the lawmakers are correct in getting ahead of this before transgender girls completely take over cis-girls sports.

@MrClassicmetal

3 жыл бұрын

There is no need to call it "cis girls" sports. Simply "girl sports" is fine.

@LisaBeergutHolst

2 жыл бұрын

Many trans girls take puberty blockers to avoid exactly the kinds of biological changes that would give them an advantage over cisgender girls in sports.

so any thoughts about lia thomas?

There are womens sports and mens sports for the same reasons Boxing and Judo and many other sports have weight categories. Advantage that would exclude the most people. A disadvantage of having a trans class or division in sports is that it would be small and a splinter devision. Since trans inclusion would knock out most bio women competition I go for the rights and inclusion of the way bigger group of women born in a women body instead of the inclusion of the small trans group who would dominate the sports.

@LisaBeergutHolst

2 жыл бұрын

"Trans inclusion would knock out most bio women competition..." *[citation needed]*

@Mordecaigut

2 жыл бұрын

@@LisaBeergutHolst up a couple comments to Caleb

@tarablue4472

2 жыл бұрын

@@LisaBeergutHolst No citation needed if not enough QUALITY research has been done.

@HughEMC

Жыл бұрын

@@LisaBeergutHolst you need only look at compition that has had cis females vs Trans females. You just watched this video that talked about two trans girls dominating the track & field compitions in their state & setting new records. Fannon Fox was a trans mma athlete that was pummeling cis females until they finally banned her. The most recent scientific studies indicate trans females actively on hormone treatment retain physical advantages over cis females for at least 3 yrs & its possibly longer because the study only lasted 3yrs. You gotta be fair to the next person sometime. You can't just side with a trans person because they've been poorly treated in other areas of life.

I'm starting to think that this host has never played Sports on the team or had a female family member that just so even he would be disappointed

your thoughts on Laurel Hubbard?

@marsoelflaco5722

3 жыл бұрын

She's the New Zealand record holder and ranked in the World's top ten. Even if her hormonal levels are in the allowable Olympic range she's still a big human being, 6'1" 200 lbs. Being proud of lifting your personal best is one thing, but is she really proud of beating biological females and setting new female records? I understand that her hormonal levels are allowable but I wonder how much of an impact these levels actually have on her performance/strength. Nonetheless, these victories and records seem hollow to me. It will be interesting to see what happens at the Olympics.✌🏽

@btk1213

3 жыл бұрын

The program lies by omission. The #1 tennis male under the same rules, will destroy the #1 tennis female in a competitive match. Laurel Hubbard as a male, transfemale, or any of the other imagined 50 gender self ID's, will be a record setter in female competition. Only misogynists will support transfemales competing with females. And same rules folks, female tennis is best of 3 sets, male is best of 5; basketball smaller ball for females; golf shorter tee distances, etc. Any female supporting this is cutting their own throats, and any male is a misogynistic moron.

saying biological male isn't misleading it's just true

Think of it this way. Wrestling, boxing, both have weight categories. The fairness is the problem. Plus, we are worried Just about trans feelings. There has to be a way to help all involved. If we are not worried about winning, then it takes out part of the want to play. Kids, and adults don’t join sports to just have fun. It’s part of it, but not THE reason.

@LisaBeergutHolst

2 жыл бұрын

So divide all sports by weight, height, strength, or other objective criteria. Problem solved.

@aldypranata393

2 жыл бұрын

@@LisaBeergutHolst do you really want that? there will be no woman in the first place of UCL or NBA

@LisaBeergutHolst

2 жыл бұрын

@@aldypranata393 So what lol

So Above The Noise? nothing on Laurel Hubbard? how about Sha’Carri Richardson and Laurel Hubbard? Any thoughts?

@AboveTheNoise

3 жыл бұрын

What does Sha'Carri Richardson have to do with this topic? As for Laurel Hubbard, her historic inclusion in the Olympic games has been met with a lot of hate and politicized commentary instead of a more thoughtful discussion that is evidence-based. This article is a good starting point to find some additional research and sources: theconversation.com/why-the-way-we-talk-about-olympian-laurel-hubbard-has-real-consequences-for-all-transgender-people-163418

@onelungg

3 жыл бұрын

@@AboveTheNoise chemistry and standards have to do with. do I have to elaborate?

@onelungg

3 жыл бұрын

@@AboveTheNoise also "theconversation" sounds like an opinion piece. do you have any more scientific links?

@AboveTheNoise

3 жыл бұрын

What are you looking for scientific evidence of, exactly? That there is a scientific basis for these laws banning trans girls from girls’ high school sports (the topic of the video)? Or do you scientific basis for

@AboveTheNoise

3 жыл бұрын

…for why Laurel Hubbard doesn’t have an unfair physical advantage for competing in the Olympics? When we did research for this episode there was no data available for transgender athletes competing at the Olympic level and a couple of small studies from the UK about college level athletics. This research is all very new and still developing.

If we allow trans people to compete to compete with the sex they were not assigned at birth, why don't we make all sports coed? And just seperate people by body type and and weight?

@jessiejade5616

3 жыл бұрын

.. No

@Ender586

2 жыл бұрын

Because at to level sports the male body of the same weight as a female one will win. In some sport by a lot, in certain sports by a little less.

Thank you for making this Video!! A 3/4 like ratio probably means you changed a bunch of peoples views! I was expecting a lot more hate

You're declaring facts as opinions and that's the start of misinformation.

@LisaBeergutHolst

2 жыл бұрын

What "facts" would those be? Please have a reliable source to back them up. Kthxbye

@mckenzielangendorf1437

3 ай бұрын

This is an old comment but I do genuinely want to know, where do you feel that opinions are being stated as facts? I believe that even the most well-intentioned people can do that accidentally, so when I saw your comment before I started the video I was curious, but I didn’t find anywhere that I felt something opinion-based was being stated as factual, at least not in anything beyond the realm of common sense.

Congrats bro, you didn’t get cancelled.

I think the entire issue boils down to the following question: If you were able to compare performance between the average trans mtf population and cis female population, and it was found that there is a statistically significant performance increase in the trans mtf population, would it be okay for them to compete still? What if it's found the advantage is only a 1 or 2 point advantage? What's an acceptable %? Wholesale, it seems largely unfair to me, but I doubt it will have significant impact overall. The way I view it is, say someone is a male with an 80/100 skill level at a given sport in the men's league. If they were to play in the women's leagues, they'd be a 90/100. Post 3-year transition, I'd think that same person would be an 81/100 in the women's league (and a 70 in the men's league). We classically go to Michael Phelps as an absolute unit at swimming. If he kept the same regimen and transitioned, chances are he'd also be top of the women's swimming competitions as well. All things considered, that seems fine to me too - had he been born a female from the beginning, he would have been top of the female competitions anyway, right? One area that's worth mentioning is, cis women do have to deal with periods, while those who transitioned do not.

Why can't females who transform the males are equally skilled at sports or dominated the way transgender males to females dominate. Women's sports?

Trans women have different hips as born in a women body. Skelletal structure is different. When you transition you lise some of the advantages but not al. The female body is a comoromise between mobility and using calories for work vs. the ability to grow a child and birth them.

@LisaBeergutHolst

2 жыл бұрын

People are not "born" as men or women. People are born as babies and become men or women at puberty.

This has to be one of the most interesting videos, as soon as I read the title I realized its exactly what I wanted to learn. Thanks for the video. I myself was biased months ago watching the news with titles "Biological males winning in girls sports" and so on, im glad this video taught only facts and no opinion. Also, I laugh at those morons who disliked the video without even watching it lmao

@AboveTheNoise

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the love. We needed it after reading all the comments on this episode!

@nodruj8681

2 жыл бұрын

Only facts, is literally payed for by partisan companies..

@brennanwn

2 жыл бұрын

Nice👏🏻

When the girl said the thing about the track girl being male it hurt me so much. I'm sis myself but I have two biological dad's who are still together with each other.

@Platinum1812

3 жыл бұрын

Facts don't care about feelings. You shouldn't expect anyone else needs to lie to make you feel better.

@jakobbruhspenning

3 жыл бұрын

I am not saying that the person isn't correct to say that they had an advantage, but if your drivers license says female, she could have at least tried.

@Platinum1812

3 жыл бұрын

@@jakobbruhspenning people should be free to identify however they want, dress as whatever gender they want, but the drivers license shouldn't lie either. If biological sex and gender are now separate then separate them into two categories on the driver's licenses. We can have female women and male women, and female only sports that only females can compete in. That is as close to a solution that annoys everyone that I can think of, but often that means it may be a good comprise.

@krispykicks7766

2 жыл бұрын

@@Platinum1812 what about trans men who are biologically female, do we keep those same people who are taking testosterone on the same female teams?

@Platinum1812

2 жыл бұрын

@@krispykicks7766 it's confusing how you state that question. Are you asking if females should be able to take performance enhancing drugs and still compete in sports? The answer is very simple. No. You see when you don't lie it is easier to see things clearly. They can dress up however they want because it's a free country. But performance enhancing drugs are banned already, and for good reason. Perhaps you are too young to remember the East German swimming teams that took androgenics. It ruined their lives, their ability to have children etc... they were generally victims because they were just told to take these pills everyday without being told what they were. I'm not sure what is going on with young people today. Just 40 years ago nobody was born in the wrong body. I think that is still the case. People are very confused, but you were born a human. You can't suddenly decide to be a dog or even a chimpanzee. Sex is determined by the same thing that makes you human and not a dog. DNA.

This whole video is countering very real science-based global concerns with exceptions and fringe cases. And it's treating sports only in its societal aspect. I'm pro-LGBTQ as a whole, but the question of sports should be treated as its own thing too, seperate from society. Not exclusively, because sport is also a societal construct, of course. But sport IS about fairness and competition at its very core, no matter at what level. A few points that seemed very dishonest to me (and sorry if I simplify the ideas in this YT comment that's already going to be too long): -The physical differences between boys and girls is lesser than in adults. > So what? The differences still exists. And it'll get more and more prevalent as these people grow. So what's the idea here? Where do we draw the line where the difference becomes unfair? Do we tell people "OK now, you have to compete against people of your sex, not your gender, even though you already had an advantage before? -Sex is complex, and made of many different factors. > True but the male/female classification, while simplistic, still works perfectly fine for the vast majority of people. Rejecting the notion entirely (or acting like it should be ignored) because of the exceptions is not serious. -There is hormone therapy. > Again, so what? Many trans people don't use hormone therapy. Simply because that's not what they want, or who they are. Do we ignore all the people who don't follow a hormone therapy? That's dishonest. Do we force it on everyone? Yeah I know that's a horrible idea. But you have to be honest, and once again take everything into consideration. When you talk about hormone therapy and make it look so obvious, you're not even helping your own cause, really. Sorry, this has to be one of the very worst videos in this channel. 90% of the video is centered on ONE side of the debate, never developing opposing arguments, only stating them to dismiss them on the spot. It's a cesspool of cherry-picking and false equivalences. This not serious journalistic or scientific work. It's an opinion piece that uses only what research it needs to push its narrative. This channel is supposed to be about impartial research and healthy debate. I'm very disappointed.

@jonathanthompson4077

3 жыл бұрын

Hmmm, I don't much about you but I can at least use some basic concepts in philosophical arguments to show the weak points in yours. There are a couple of strawman fallacies I noticed especially towards the end and a bit of hasty generalizations in yours, which is a bit ironic since that the claim you are making. I would suggest checking your points and looking through the references again to bring across a better counter argument. You won't be as convincing if you make the same fallcies you claim others to make, at least to those who are neutral.

@DanoLefourbe

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanthompson4077 Thank you master. If you could have enough intellectual integrity to explain precisely what you're talking about (like I did) instead of throwing vague and gratuitous philosophical terms in the air, I would be very grateful.

@DanoLefourbe

3 жыл бұрын

@@Silly81737 -True. But my point is (and maybe I presented it poorly): At what point should we start considering the person's sex, and how fair is it to make that switch? Because that switch will have to happen when they are older, whether they are in a strictly competitive environment or not - in the name of fairness. -I'm not sure I agree about the effect of the persons' sex. There IS a reason why all sports that rely on strength and stamina differentiate between sexes, and looking at sorts where competition is well developed for both sexes make it pretty obvious I think - even considering disparities in the economy between sexes in a given sport. Also, illness is a totally different topic. I don't follow the logic here. -I agree on that. Having each sport make their own set of rules in the matter seems like a more open, fairer, and smarter way. "Carpet bombing" might not be the solution, and maybe this shouldn't be the law's domain if it's avoidable.

@jonathanthompson4077

3 жыл бұрын

@@DanoLefourbe See now you're using sarcastic language as a defense to not take the advice. Which again, makes you seem less mature and more biased. Which also implies that you are dismissing potentially knowledge that could help you improve because...psychological defense mechanisms I guess, maybe?

@DanoLefourbe

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonathanthompson4077 Yeah, I'm being sarcastic, because you're not giving any advice or info at all, really. You're not saying anything because you don't want to take the time to be specific. If you're not going to invest yourself in the discussion, why waste everybody's time? If you want to debate, no problem. But be honest, serious, and specific instead of throwing generic meaningless words around. What you're doing until now can be done by anyone with a philosophical glossary, and it doesn't lead anywhere. You need to take one argument, debate its value, and make a full counterclaim. Then repeat until you've covered everything. And please stop trying to make an analysis of me from the 20 lines you read from me on a specific issue. It's just... oof.

Trans rights should not infringe on cis female rights and opportunities since sex and gender are supposed to be equally protected but also separate by distinction. To not do so is inherently against feminism while also ensuring that the equity gap between males and females remains unchanged. It is perpetuating male dominance on females even more by also not recognizing the struggle women go through themselves. In the end the trans community needs to accept that gender is a construct that isn’t confirmative to hetero-normal standards and that sex isn’t gender but rather an unchanged biological distinction. Trans females are real females and should be treated as such by gender but definitely not by sex when it comes to things like sports.

@Ruby_V_

2 жыл бұрын

Pls that's TERF logic. And the sex-based characteristics of trans athletes are very much changed in transition. >"But what if they're not changed enough?" that's for the organizers and athletes of each sport individually to decide-not you.

I've seen very few videos that adequately discuss the science behind this issue. The best is probably "Do Transgender Athletes Have an Unfair Advantage" by Rationality Rules. It's worth a watch. As for the bills in question, they're obviously motivated by prejudice and a desire to win the culture wars by brute force. Otherwise, they'd seek to address the nuances of the situation in accordance with our best understanding of it.

How about make a new sports category; Boys, Girls, and Steers?

@TomAtkinson

3 жыл бұрын

That would be epic. Maybe make it so you can also take steroids. It would get pretty messy mind.

@chrishaven1489

3 жыл бұрын

@@TomAtkinson I'm not entirely sure steroids have anything to do with this issue.

@TomAtkinson

3 жыл бұрын

@@chrishaven1489 Testosterone is one of the main steroids I reckon. Just sayin'. :)

@chrishaven1489

3 жыл бұрын

@@TomAtkinson It's also naturally occurring. According to this, trans women (man to woman) take hormone blockers to stem that testosterone and they have to take it for a year before they can compete in the olympics. In other words, they 'nerf' themselves before they can compete. That's kinda the opposite of a steroid.

I think a few of your points are missing the point. Saying that being a trans girl doesn't mean that you'll necessary be stronger than the cis girls isn't doing any good to the argumentation, as is saying that sports isn't just about winning, you can say that with boys vs girls but for fair competition we know we need the differenciation there. On average, boys are just stronger Very good points about the advancement of hrt and such, that was interesting Finally, the fact that this is school and not necessarily pro comps is hard to debate imo. Why would some school comp be treated differently than pro comps? That's a recipe for delusion and I think the government should be careful about that

People who fight for trans women to be banned from women's sport are mostly the same people who then forces trans men to either compete against women and then when they win, they use them as a supporting argument for trans women being banned from sport (Mack Beggs being one of the biggest cases of this). Now, the thing is one half of the possible advantages are either reversible after longer period of time on HRT (bone density, muscle mass) or even preventable with puberty blockers or strictly controlled (testosterone levels - all female atletes have to meet the limits, no matter if they're cis or trans, you can find both cis and trans women who were prohibited to compete because of their testosterone levels being too high). The other half is a natural part of the world of sport (lung capacity or height, which is not always an advantage, depends on the specific sport). There are plenty of athletes who were born different in a way that gives them an advantage over other people in something, including sport. They're not banned tho, but why? Because it's a normal thing. Do you ban people with exceptionally high IQ from intelect based competion? Of course not, the same way you don't ban cis women who are a lot taller or have higher lung capacity than average from women's sport and the same for men in men's sport (both cis and trans, because trans men don't exist when a debate like this takes place somehow). People cry about trans women making women's sport unfair for cis women while in fact sport has been ALWAYS unfair for basically everyone. But for women more, not because of the whole trans women argument but because female athletes are paid less than male ones and are taken less seriously. Everyone knows who's the fastest man on Earth but name the fastest woman on Earth. That's how much people actually care about women's sport. One thing I want to mention before I get totally destroyed for it in a responses. I've mentioned bone density as one of the things that can be reversible with HRT. And yes, that is true. When we talk about hormones, trans women on HRT are in this case very similar to post menopausal women who are at higher risk of developing osteoporosis. Studies have been done that confirmed that trans women are in fact also at higher risk early in their transition. And while oestrogen can be used to lower the risks of osteoporosis, the thing which HRT actually does and the real prevention is maintaining hormone balance. When it comes to male-to-female transition, HRT initially does the exact opposite, breaking the old hormone balance in order to create a new one with different levels. In the beggining of their transition, trans women's bone density actually goes down the same way it does for cis women after menopause. And one thing to add into the topic of bone density, there isn't a variety only for different sexe's but for races too. And no one is using it as an argument for segregating sports based on skin colour. What people likes to forget, the biggest difference is made by practice. Do you think that a female wrestler (profesional or not), that trains regularly can be taken down in a robbery for example by a random man just because he has a biological advantage over her? If so, think again. Such man would regret his decision of choosing her as the victim. Now, a little bit of storytime. I'm a cis woman. When I was a teenager, I was a part of my school soccer team. However, our school didn't have enough girls to form any girls sport team (seriously, we had just 27 girls in a whole school of 300-and-something students at that time), so we (me and two other girls) had played with the boys. The only disadvantage we had was being always late because we had to change in bathrooms as there was only one changing room near the soccer field, which was reserved for the boys, changing rooms for regular PE class were even further away than bathrooms. In fact, we may have even had an advantage over boys only teams as they didn't think we were any rivals for them and didn't even try enough (turtle and rabbit kind of situation). Overall, no one cared. No one said a thing against us competing with boys against other boys. Then, there's another related story of one of my classmates. She was asigned male at birth but has never developed any visible secondary male sex characteristics (nor female while we're at it) while puberty blockers weren't a thing for trans kids at that time and place. In our last year, she came out as trans girl and people in the school went mad. This 5'2 tall, underweight 18 year old who was always mocked for feminine appearance and voice was now referred to as a big scary man in a dress and a threat to all girls and girls sport in our school. Wanting her to be banned from girls PE with the argument of her having advantages over us. There wasn't even any competition in regular PE class. Initially forced her into the boys PE class untill she got beaten up by them in the changing room. After this incident, they went to us girls, have asked us separately and multiple times about our opinions of a trans girl joining our class (even tried asking multiple times with different phrasing to get a negative opinion from at least one of us, not even joking, they've actually went this far) until the've finaly resignated and allowed her into our class for safety reasons. She was prohibited from changing with us tho, had to either wait until all of us were done changing or change in the bathrooms like we had to for our soccer matches. They expected her to be the top of our class so her almost failing PE was a big surprise. Turned out the teacher who has lead boys PE class would give you extra marks from playing games while our teacher only marked us based on our results in individual disciplines such as running, jumping or strength/endurance based excercises and nothing else. And despite all of the complainers' believes, she wasn't the "naturally good biological male athlete" as they claimed, she was far behind us on all of that. The only thing that saved her from an F mark on a report card wasn't testosterone or bone density, it was training and training hard. Practise has made the most important difference, that's a fact that people didn't have a problem to acknowledge when three girls were playing soccer against boys but refused to even consider if it would have meant allowing trans girl in a non-competitive PE class with other girls. Double standards much?

@aldypranata393

2 жыл бұрын

not gonna read that shit

As the WNBA coach says that their are clear pay disparities, and just generally less opportunities for women in sports and for coaching, these people clearly aren’t that concerned about “making women’s sports fair” but just trying to push their own prejudices into the law.

@LazyGoose872

3 жыл бұрын

what are you on about? the WNBA doesnt make money, so of course there will be a pay disparity, and having trans women in female sports only makes it more difficult for biological females...

@marsoelflaco5722

3 жыл бұрын

@@LazyGoose872 Agreed, 100%. They are playing the same games but they aren't generating the same revenue.

@MrClassicmetal

3 жыл бұрын

@@LazyGoose872 Exactly. If it weren't for the financial support of the NBA, there wouldn't be a WNBA in the first place. The WNBA has been LOSING money from its inception.

@brianstokes6110

Жыл бұрын

The money women or men make should be proportionate to the money they bring in. If your worth more you'll get more but people just aren't going to watch women's games it's unfortunate but that's the truth

It's literally just transgender oppressions because there are ciswomen with PCOS and high levels of testosterone naturally that are still allowed to compete in women's sports. There are also men who have the male phenotype of PCOS with naturally high estrogen that are still allowed to compete in men's sports. Because they're cis. If it had *anything* to do with testosterone levels, they'd just make it a requirement to have bloodwork done and if you have "normal levels" of testosterone for either party, you get put on the matching teams. Then those with PCOS would get put in men's teams and those with the male phenotype would get put in women's teams. Hormones and genetics are complicated. This is the simplest solution without causing harm to people. It also keeps those with the male PCOS phenotype from being bullied for not being able to keep up with their peers and it keeps those with PCOS from the same. Male PCOS phenotype: I'm saying this in terms of cispeople. There are transmen that have PCOS so I'm not discounting them but there is evidence of a condition that is similar to PCOS in cismen, the symptoms of which have been linked to premature androgenic alopecia but there's no concrete condition that 100% matches so it currently has no name. There are quite a few articles about it: pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16752800/ pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16552990/ pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17419309/ There's no "two sizes fit all". Endocrinology is complicated but the solutions to these problems are simple. Just do blood tests. Use testosterone and estrogen serum levels to determine teams. Take male and female out of it.

So, if I just say I identify as a woman I should be allowed to play on a women’s sports team? Is this the argument?

@jessiejade5616

3 жыл бұрын

No. Only real and true women. Not fake ones or wanabes. Aka trans women

@dolfinreal

2 жыл бұрын

No, you also have to be on hormones for at least a year and meet the criteria of (lowered) testosterone levels

In sports where developmental differences count, like wrestling, they already have weight classes. This is a non issue created whole cloth by legislators. Let kids play sports.

@LazyGoose872

3 жыл бұрын

if you think having weight classes solves the physiological gap between male and female athletes, you really do not know as much as you think you do look at all weightlifting records, a considerably lighter male athlete outperforms a super heavy weight female athlete, this will transfer over to physical and contact sports also, i as an 80kg male lifter can qualift for the olympics in females olympic weightlifting in the 92kg+ category, and i dont train olympic weight lifting this is a genuine issue for many reasons

@thelegalsystem

3 жыл бұрын

@@LazyGoose872 you're talking about developed adults vs kids.

@LazyGoose872

3 жыл бұрын

@@thelegalsystem your point was that weight classes solve developmental issues brought about by sex differences...? im responding to that, neither us made a point regarding age..? you just said "let kids play sports" that doesnt connect to your initial point

@thelegalsystem

3 жыл бұрын

@@LazyGoose872 your claim is weight classes dont solve the physiological gap, but your evidence for this is looking at records for adults. It is a non argument.

@LazyGoose872

3 жыл бұрын

@@thelegalsystem weight classes do not account for physiological differences and perforance differences as a result of sex, the fact they are adults has nothing to do with it the point? My wvidence, as you put it, is looking at the records of competitors across different weight and sex categories, the age is irrelevant. a male athlete in a middle weight class is able to out perform a female athlete in a heavy weight calss

the issue is testosterone and muscle development. one year of hormones is not going to erase years of muscle development. No one cares about what gender a person wants to be or feels they are, that's their decision. But forcing girls to compete against someone who has a biological edge, is just not fair. Where are the people lining up to defend girls and young women......lets keep the playing field fair and stop trying to label people. If you feel you're trans, more power to you, live your best life, but lets just support female sports and our young women.

Thanks for explaining to me gender is purely ideological

Live and let live, but I agree with Caitlyn Jenner...it doesn't seem like fair play. This subject will "spin" even more when trans athletes start earning scholarships, sign professional contracts, win championships and begin to bump their non transgender counterparts off of teams. People's tune may change when it happens to them. All of this is in its its infancy, time will tell. ✌🏽

@AboveTheNoise

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and sharing your opinion. So far, in California and other states where trans girls are allowed to play on girls' sports teams, we haven't see seen trans champions dominating girls' sports (especially high school). But you are right that things could change as more trans girls feel welcome and comfortable playing on sports teams - or not, depending on how this legislation develops.

@Ruby_V_

3 жыл бұрын

@Marso ElFlaco Could you share some reflection on why it doesn't seem like fair play to you? Even given the restrictions on hormone levels internally decided by the likes of the olympics and so forth?

@LazyGoose872

3 жыл бұрын

@@AboveTheNoise cece telfer? ranked ~350 as a male and now national champ, there are several other trans women athletes whos names escapes me at the moment, and there are lots of examples in senior and professional sports these cases do occur and will occure more and more as time goes on

@LazyGoose872

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ruby_V_ hormone levels arent the only advantages biological males have over biological females there are many others reaction speed stride length pelvic allignment wingspan bone density muscular distribution avg height hormones arent the be all and endall of this topic

@marsoelflaco5722

3 жыл бұрын

@@LazyGoose872 Do these "achievements" really make trans women proud? As men/boys they were mediocre at best best, but now as women/girls they are nationally ranked/world class. It seems cheap and hollow to me. Not fair for biological females. ✌🏽

It's mixing in "intersex" for no reason (noise). The question of unfair advantage is about male bodied people competing in women's sports. As for arguments such as "it's not really happening on a large scale and therefore it's not gonna be a problem" - that's not facts, that's just feelings. Or "with hormone treatment the advantage goes down"? - first of all there has to be an advantage for it to "go down" but also - it doesn't really go away. In the attempt to be nice facts are being discarded and feelings are replacing them. That's not a scientific approach.

@LisaBeergutHolst

2 жыл бұрын

Please define "male bodied" in 10 words or less.

@Ender586

2 жыл бұрын

@@LisaBeergutHolst "With male body" If there's some uncertainty about what does the word "male" mean, check: Jussi Lehtonen, Geoff A. Parker, Gamete competition, gamete limitation, and the evolution of the two sexes, Molecular Human Reproduction, Volume 20, Issue 12, December 2014, Pages 1161-1168 Again not sure where did my comment go but second try...

There are some fair points made in this video, honestly I dont care about middle/highschool sports and if letting the kids play wherever they feel most comfortable will help them, Im all for it. However, sex really isnt a espectrum, and chromosomes arent "a factor" but, by definition, genes DETERMINE your sex. Gender can, and should, be whatever each individual is most comfortable with. So, my point is that when we start talking about professional sports, sex does matter for purely fairness reasons, and to me, the most logical solution is to either add two new categories for transmen/women, or to compete in the category your sex (genes) belong to.

@tranarchism

3 жыл бұрын

He explained how sex is a spectrum tho. XX and XY are not the only possible combinations. People fall between and outside of those binary options. The only possibility left is to define it as a spectrum

@jogold867

3 жыл бұрын

I mean, high school sports aren't always just for fun. Some are trying to get recruited / a sports scholarship.

@tranarchism

3 жыл бұрын

Also, most professional sports leagues already have rules for this. The olympics have allowed trans people to compete in the segment that matches their identity. A trans person has never won a gold medal

@irleck

3 жыл бұрын

@@tranarchism Could you explain to me how can you fall outside the human genome? The 23 chromosomic pair has two possible combinations, XX and XY, which determines the individual being male or female. There are no other combinations to be made, and everything else he is listing as "factors" in determining sex are either predetermined by genes and thus redundant, or feelings/opinion based that would make it a gender issue, not a sex one. Sex is binary in humans.

@tranarchism

3 жыл бұрын

@@irleck I will link the scishow video if I can find it. You can be born with one X or an XXY or XXX or just Y. Lots of combos there

Let's just get rid of the whole gender sports in general and let them all just go at it. Let's see who comes out on top. Personally I only want to watch the highest level of sport anyways. Your points were cringe by the way

@LazyGoose872

3 жыл бұрын

@give him some milk what are you on about? rowing!?!?!? you could maybe make a case for dressage as the horse does all the work, so being smaller and lighter would be an advantage beyond that youre clutching at straws haha

@benjaminyes6308

3 жыл бұрын

@give him some milk and???

So transgendered bodybuilders should compete in the Olympics let's argue please

This is my first video by this channel. Is every video left leaning?

@AboveTheNoise

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and we hope you subscribe. We aren't left-leaning. We're all professional journalists working for PBS, and as such, we look at these issues from multiple perspectives and rely on peer-reviewed science and research. We are trying to help break down complex topics that our youth advisory board tells us matter to their generation. We don't give space to false debates or false equivalencies, and we avoid partisan agendas. That said, we are human and try to be transparent about how our own lived experiences influence how we see certain issues. And we always stand up for respecting human rights, human dignity, and protecting the environment.

@Platinum1812

3 жыл бұрын

Newflash: you and trans "activists" purposefully complicate gender. 99.8 percent of births are not ambiguous. Sex is the most biologically significant human factor known to researchers. Don't believe me, name one that is more significant.

@anindobose9012

3 жыл бұрын

This video is most definitely left leaning

@cmckown7932

2 жыл бұрын

Most of his videos or left-leaning however he does occasionally touch on some right wing points. But it rare

@AboveTheNoise

2 жыл бұрын

@@cmckown7932 Does everything have to be categorized left vs. right? What about trying to get beyond those rigid categories and look at complicated issues from multiple perspectives, while being transparent about our own experiences and how those influence our viewpoints? All the while keeping it VERY open to hearing from our audience and THEIR own perspectives. We're honestly trying to invite respectful dialogue and critical thinking about issues that often get distorted because of politics.

7:30 if it was actually about sportsmanship and fairness, they would respect trans people's gender identity and use proper pronouns, but they dont, because its not. It's all just a façade to persecute trans people.

I think that the rule that trans athletes have to have been on hormones for a certain amount of time, checks out. As he said. There's a reason sports are usually separated into men and women teams. But if the (mostly) male advantage is gone, there's no reason not to include trans people.

@MrClassicmetal

3 жыл бұрын

The male advantage is NOT gone when you take away the hormones. Do you really think that's the only difference between men and women?😏

@afhdfh

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrClassicmetal Well, if the hormone therapy begins before puberty, the physical differences are really negligible. Later in life I can't say but that's something people can conduct studies on.

@MrClassicmetal

3 жыл бұрын

@@afhdfh Hormone therapy _before_ puberty? Is that even legal? 😏 Kids are not allowed to drink booze before 21, they can't get a tattoo before they are 18. But they can use chemicals that cause irreversible changes to their bodies before puberty?🤔

@afhdfh

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrClassicmetal Here kids can drink when they're 14. Doesn't matter though. What I mean with hormone therapy is temporarily stopping from getting into puberty until the kid is old enough for actual hormone therapy (happens only, when a psychologist actually confirms that the child is transgender). If they stop taking the puberty inhibitors, they go through puberty like everybody else. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

@MrClassicmetal

3 жыл бұрын

@@afhdfh That is not how it works with puberty blockers. When you are genetically predisposed to have 4 years of puberty, and you take blockers for 2 years, you will NOT get those full 4 years. Puberty can't be put on hold like that. Messing with the hormonal system is very tricky. It can have serious long-term effects on the body, like for example brain development. Uninformed proponents talk about it as if it's nothing, whereas it's _much_ more complex than that.😏

Why would you lie and call this science? This I the problem.

@jessiejade5616

3 жыл бұрын

They wanna try and normalize this and get children involved. That's why

So why don't they have a third category if it's so goddamn important to them. Don't Force themselves into female sports but why not their own team

@AboveTheNoise

2 жыл бұрын

Trans people are not "their own category" or something separate from cis-gender people. They are seeking acceptance and the right to determine their own gender identity based on how they feel inside. Trans advocates (and many respected medical professionals) say that creating a segregated athletic category instead of taking a more inclusive approach would only further isolate these young people and cause more harm.

@offandsphere6788

2 жыл бұрын

@@AboveTheNoise uh but aren't athletics kinda a place where you're not supposed to care about social stuff and just try to win against people with similar physical aspects from birth i mean sure you can make friends from athletics but i think sports should be based around being able to figure out and execute a plan to win at the sport at the end of the day, not socialization

@kerycktotebag8164

Жыл бұрын

@@offandsphere6788 no, sports have never been anything other than a social institution

It's crazy I can't just call myself a boy I got to call myself a cis boy to be politically correct I have my rights too y'all people are trying to fight fire with Magma

@jessicakeefer5077

3 жыл бұрын

No, you can call yourself simply a boy. Full stop. However, if you can to differentiate yourself from a trans boy/male/man then you "can" say cis.

@turnupwater

3 жыл бұрын

@@jessicakeefer5077 identifies has tried to take my identity

Sports should be separated based on sex and not gender. How are my physical abilities affected if I prefer to wear a dress and put on some lipstick?

@aster9809

2 жыл бұрын

homie... you do know that transwomen can take estrogen and hormone blockers right? that literally affects their biological features and their muscle mass decreases.

@TheCrossfire951

2 жыл бұрын

@@aster9809 Can

this video is so good and i feel like explains the topic very well!! thank you guys for making it, love your guy’s content

@AboveTheNoise

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

Peeps should also check out Mokgadi Caster Semenya's case, it's a great example of how these attempts to categorise athletes according to sex characteristics are blunt and discriminatory.

@MrClassicmetal

3 жыл бұрын

So do you think it's ok for men amd women to compete against each other in combat sports?

@AmbivalentDreams

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrClassicmetal do you think women should be barred from sport because their bodies produce more testosterone than some pencil pusher thought was "normal"?

@MrClassicmetal

3 жыл бұрын

@@AmbivalentDreams What a weird question.

@AmbivalentDreams

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrClassicmetal it's like, the central question in Mokgadi Semenya's case. If you're not going to bother learning about the subject we're talking about, then don't comment.

@tarnw3301

2 жыл бұрын

Semenya, a biological XY man with testes and who produces testosterone as an average man, should have never been allowed to participate in the female category. Seriously, his intersex condition is one which allows him to be the biological father of his two children.

Great job explaining the topic. Thank you.

@AboveTheNoise

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Why are so many people acting as though sports are important? I mean, there are so many important areas of life where it MATTERS, to waste times on sports is just... ugh!

@dangermouse9348

3 жыл бұрын

I dare say the people who either make a career or hugely enjoy competing would disagree with you and would consider sports very important. Just because you don't think they're important doesn't make it so.

I'm a bit disappointed that the following question is only barely suggested at the end: Why do we even have male and female competitions? I think that basically it all comes down to what's enjoyable. Both to play and watch. And gender is just a confounding variable. We split by gender because it used to be an easy criterion to make the competition interesting for people with less biological advantage. But many sports didn't wait to have different categories for different body types. Most martial arts have weight-based categories. Many ball sports like football (soccer) or volley-ball have "leagues". In an era where we acknowledge the existence of a gender spectrum, wouldn't it make sens to get rid of the gender as a classification criterion? In the end, the governments should probably stay out of the issue and let the sport federations decide what would make their sport enjoyable for most.

@jimc9516

2 жыл бұрын

We have male and female competition because males have higher muscle mass on average. I'm sure someone will point out examples of some women being stronger than some men, that's why I'm saying ON AVERAGE. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_human_physiology#Muscle_mass_and_strength

@Ceelvain

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimc9516 yes, that's an average about the entier population. It does not necessarily reflect the reality of the individuals. That's why it's a bad criterion.

@tarnw3301

2 жыл бұрын

We also have age based categories because we want the most people to have a fair shot. Why is female category (a category which allow 50% of the human population) be erased just to coddle the feelings of trans identified people?

@Ceelvain

2 жыл бұрын

@@tarnw3301 It' not about coddling the feelings of anyone. Have you actually understood any of the words I said?

@tarnw3301

2 жыл бұрын

@@Ceelvain there are only two sexes/genders:male and female. You suggest to erase the female category because you don't want to make some men feel bad when the rest of us don't play pretend and coddle their feelings.

I love this video. Thank you so much. It's made so clearly.

@AboveTheNoise

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and this kind feedback!

As always Miles, an eye-opening video. Thanks for all that you do. As a cis guy, these issues seem so nuanced to me. So instead of blanket bills, why not a take step back and talk this through? One can dream, right?

@AboveTheNoise

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and leaving a comment. It's definitely a really complex topic!

@MrClassicmetal

3 жыл бұрын

There is absolutely nothing eye opening being covered here. It's the same old recycled stuff about testosterone while overlooking other factors, using the emotional angle, with some semi scientific language thrown in to give the arguments some validity.

@MrClassicmetal

3 жыл бұрын

@@AboveTheNoise There is nothing complex abput it, really. This is what you and others who make these videos always say. In a way its understandable because you don't want to step on the wrong toes and have your content demonitised or banned. But by not standing firm this whole mess is only going to get worse. Notice that when it comes to transgenders in sports, the part where it gets tricky is ALWAYS trans women competing against women. NOBODY ever points out the elephant in the room; trans _men_ competing against men. It NEVER comes up. Now be honest, do you think that's deliberate?😏

5:10 "It's how you feel inside." This is the problem. Rules and laws can't be made based around what somebody feels inside. And, exception to rules can't be made based on feelings either.

@krispykicks7766

2 жыл бұрын

They sort of can, Rules and law can be made around transgender people, and "it's how you feel inside" is a simplified term for gender identitys. Obviously nobody can know everyones thoughts, but when someone expresses those thoughts in a way we can use that as solid ground to take actions & such

@ianalvord3903

2 жыл бұрын

@@krispykicks7766 That doesn't make any sense. Could you imagine if people could bend the rules of sports on the grounds of religious freedom? "Expressing thoughts" isn't enough.

Surely there are more pressing legislative concerns?

When I read the title I had a lil "oh no" moment, thinking you'd give a 'both sides' argument. But no you actually went after the facts and dismantled the Idiocracy of transphobes, thank you

@CaptainTae

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah. They didn’t give both sides. They just lied to you. How brave.

This whole video must be a joke. You are so wrong on both science and history.

@jessiejade5616

3 жыл бұрын

Explain then

You know, in the beginning, ATN used to be great. These days, however, it seems to be just as biased as all the other "noise" it claims to be "above." What's sad is that I don't even think ATN is actually aware of it.

@wyldcardsam

3 жыл бұрын

Biased? Because 5he facts don't line up with how you feel?

@AboveTheNoise

3 жыл бұрын

We're bummed out that you feel this way about our approach to the topics we cover. We're curious to hear more: what specifically has made you think that we are now biased than we were before? We pick topics based on what Gen Z viewers tell us they want to learn more about (we have a teen advisory board and also work with youth reporters from diverse communities around the U.S.). Then, we investigate those topics, looking at the research and talking to people directly impacted. We aim to include diverse perspectives on these issues, and consider all the angles. We DON'T present false equivalencies, like arguments based on racist, sexist or homophobic/transphobic or religious viewpoints. That said, we are also humans with our own lived experiences that influence our reporting - so we strive to be transparent about those biases and let viewers decide for themselves what they think based on the arguments we present.

@lovelyotter8390

2 жыл бұрын

@@AboveTheNoise The main problem is you guys are saying the same things every single other media outlet saying. It’s like an echo chamber. When presenting things, they should not be in a biased way but in a way that is open to interpretation and open to discussion.

@AboveTheNoise

2 жыл бұрын

​@@lovelyotter8390 Thanks for your comment. We do strive to show multiple perspectives on all of the issues we cover on the show. For instance, in this video, we explained what transgender identity is and how it's different from sex or sexual preference, but we also looked at both "sides" of the issue of whether or not there should be legislation passed to ban transgender athletes from playing on female sports teams. Why did you think it was biased?

@lovelyotter8390

2 жыл бұрын

​@@AboveTheNoise Hi! Thanks for replying. Maybe I was being unfair. I think the reason I think it's biased is because this is the opinion that is popular right now. It's popular to want transgirls to compete in sports, and sometimes I feel like when people disagree, they're called bigots and anti-trans. I could be wrong, of course. This is just the impression I got. However, I do agree that the bills may not have been approved because they were trying to make sports more fair, but perhaps were just approved because of trans hate. Also, not sure if you addressed this or not: what about transwomen who get onto hormones later in their lives? Will they pose an unfair advantage or will it be the same as if they went on hormones as a teenager?

Well that was a little, lop-sided.

@AboveTheNoise

2 жыл бұрын

What makes you think that? In all seriousness, we want to hear how you think this was unbalanced or biased reporting. Thanks!

@jmsunday

2 жыл бұрын

@@AboveTheNoise I deeply respect you for this comment alone. Although I might disagree from time to time, you have my respect.

@LisaBeergutHolst

2 жыл бұрын

Two months later, and no response to the channel's good-faith request to clarify your objection. I guess it was all about your feelings lol

Cultural norms and stereotypes are a byproduct of people's behavior, not the other way around. Boys and girls don't go into certain professional fields or express certain character traits because of society's expectations. Given free choice and natural differences in temperament mostly due to hormone levels, people naturally sort themselves out into certain categories at a statistically significant rate. This experiment has already been conducted in Scandinavia.

@LisaBeergutHolst

2 жыл бұрын

"Cultural norms and stereotypes are a byproduct of people's behavior..." Then why are cultural norms of one time and place different from those of another? Did European men stop wearing wigs and silk hose because their "hormone levels" changed?

@kerycktotebag8164

Жыл бұрын

Scandinavia still has gendered culture though

You're not assigned as sex you are identified as a sex

Winning isn't everything it's the only thing.

Such a difficult subject because on one hand we really don't want to exclude but the other hand it does exclude some athlete women from athletic scholarships, I think the 1 year being on hormone blockers rule is the best compromise.

@MrClassicmetal

3 жыл бұрын

No it's not. They will still retain many physical advantages.

@juddstrudd7018

3 жыл бұрын

@@MrClassicmetal this true just looked up that there are other physical advantages, such a hip bones being wider on girls causing them to be slower

Simple solution, have boys, girls, and trans leagues. Boys that only want to compete against other boys can continue to do so, girls that only want to compete against other girls can continue to do so, and boys/girls/other can compete in the trans league, no questions asked... whats wrong with that!?

Very helpful video for me. I think the solution is clear: instead of thinking of it as male v female leagues, it should be based on those who are 'doping' on Testosterone and those who are not

@AboveTheNoise

3 жыл бұрын

Glad the video was helpful. And yes, doping is a whole other issue we didn't get into, but definitely impacts fairness in sports.

The problem isnt necessarily trans in sports, but its the method. If gender and sex dont matter, then push for co-ed teams. If it matters then push for your own teams because trans boy does not equal boy and trans girl does not equal girl. Interesting how this tiny community wants the majority of people to make them feel comfortable and included while simultaneously not caring how uncomfortable and excluded they make everyone else in the process. Ya'll are wild.

@ml5923

Жыл бұрын

exactly

@ml5923

Жыл бұрын

tbh i feel like it’s mostly about the world affirming them because they don’t themselves. they heavily push for acceptance bc they don’t accept themselves so whether that be by bathroom or trans sport issues, they feel widespread social acceptance is a replacement for self acceptance

This video is mostly noise. How ironic.

@AboveTheNoise

2 жыл бұрын

Do you think that because you didn't learn anything from it, or because you disagree with the content? Just curious to get more specific feedback.

@CaptainTae

2 жыл бұрын

@@AboveTheNoise Both. Also, do you think you are imparting knowledge or taking partisan talking points as truth?

@AboveTheNoise

2 жыл бұрын

@@CaptainTae we researched this topic and interviewed both trans athletes and cisgender athletes about their experiences.

@CaptainTae

2 жыл бұрын

@@AboveTheNoise Ah. Anecdotal evidence. You’re basically a scientist. 🤣🤣🤣

"Assigned female at birth"

@abcdef-nk1ti

Жыл бұрын

Whats wrong bro

This views as propaganda. Is this publicly funded?

If you don’t play sports or we’re never an athlete, you’re not entitled to an opinion on this topic.

I prefer the Olympian approach, which is to require them to have been on HRT long enough for their hormone levels to be comparable to that of a cis girl

@LazyGoose872

3 жыл бұрын

average female Test. levels are about 3-5 times lower thna what the IOC require in a transwoman i believe, so really not the best boundry to set

@MrClassicmetal

3 жыл бұрын

@@LazyGoose872 Exactly, I was about to post the same thing.

@EnigmaticLucas

2 жыл бұрын

@@LazyGoose872 Then have more a realistic requirement

So this is just trans prop. Got it.

what about a cis boy who doesn't like sports. is it fair to put them up against someone who plays sports as a hobby? I agree the bills do not make sense. There were plenty of girls when I grew up who could beat me a sports any day.

@LazyGoose872

3 жыл бұрын

you are completely missunderstanding the issue, overall on average male athletes have a clear advantage over female athletes, it doesnt matter that some women can beat some men, thats a red herring of an argument im afraid

@MrClassicmetal

3 жыл бұрын

That's purely anecdotal. You can't use that as an argument.

I'm a trans woman. I'm really tired of this... If we can't play with man or woman, we just don't play sport ? While I understand the concern of fairness, we're just talking about school sport. If you are concerned about student grant (which is already quite weird as anyone should have access to education), just give two grants instead of one. The amount of hate we have to endure just at school is unbelievable, just let us have fun from time to time.

@AboveTheNoise

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching and sharing your perspective! What do you mean, though, but "student grant" ?

@ameliadurbec6892

3 жыл бұрын

@@AboveTheNoise Hey sorry, I'm not a native english speaker. I meant college scholarship given to athletes.

@AboveTheNoise

3 жыл бұрын

@@ameliadurbec6892 That makes perfect sense - sorry I didn't catch your meaning. You raised really good points! Thanks again for watching!

@yomama9538

3 жыл бұрын

You're a man

@ameliadurbec6892

3 жыл бұрын

@@yomama9538 First, it's not okay to say that. Next, thank you for proving my point.

So it's how you feel. And that's called trans? No, it's called fantasy!

@AboveTheNoise

3 жыл бұрын

Do you feel the same about gender identity as a whole? Or are you saying that your sense of gender identity is dictated by biology? What role do you think society and culture play in how we choose to express our identity? Is that something that we should have freedom to decide for ourselves, or is it out of our control? These are honest questions.

Wow!! Do you understand the hypocrisy in this video? This is a rediculus agruement!

Sports involve body stuff, how do you expect someone to want to play them if their body doesn't feel right to them? Trans ppl who (like to) play sports are a minority in a minority, and the bills just help to promote hate against those who *don't*.