I was born and raised in Roseville, California. Seeing those bloody nose SP engines and the Cotton Belt rolling stock definitely reminds me of my childhood. This isn't bad looking at all! It's definitely an upgrade from Donner Pass, which I still play all the time. I really hope we get a TSW2 version of DP someday. I might pick this up!

@schnauzahpowahz

2 жыл бұрын

I find it a farcry better than donner in the looks dept, rolling stock as well with what little updates they've received - although theres been some donner upgrades. Anything SP era im perked up 😁

@doyourememberme2904

2 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't hold my breath on getting Donner Pass Route on TSW2, there are 2 routes I've been asking Dovetail since Beta of the first TSW game Horseshoe Curve and Donner Pass Route and were only getting Horseshoe Curve now because of a 3rd party Developer Skyhook. The only response I've gotten back since the post in 2018 Beta from Dovetail was (until the Company develops a better understanding of the Game Engine and in game content, we have No clue we at Dovetail strive to push forwards making Bigger and Better Content). Given Donner Pass is 1,313 miles from Roseville Yard to Sparks Yard and a crap load of Mountains and tree's that Donner Pass isn't coming anytime soon, Given the Route will need a Railroad Company as of old school SP (Southern Pacific) or new school UP (Union Pacific) which players will Argue over which is better because that's what players do.

@JonNo86

2 жыл бұрын

@@doyourememberme2904 I brought up Donner Pass in a livestream not even a year ago and the response I got was "will it come out eventually? Yes. The goal is to eventually have all of Train Sim's routes on TSW2. They're going by the most popular routes first." And I do hope you were exageratting on purpose for effect, right? Roseville to Sparks is only like 70-75 miles. Roseville, CA to Cheyenne, WY is still less than 1,313 miles...

@doyourememberme2904

2 жыл бұрын

@@JonNo86 Yeah i got the distance messed up, but wasn't going to send another text but it would be really really nice if Dovetail adds Heavier Blizzard style Snow to that Route given railroaders deal with it every year on the Route Fingers Crossed

@TheBearDen

2 жыл бұрын

Rumor has it Run8 V3 is getting Donner Pass at some point too!

It should be noted the SD40T-2 appears to be an entirely new model, as the Donner Pass DLC from way back modeled the SD40T-2s later in their careers after having their gyralites(not mars lights) and L-windows replaced with the standard EMD cab arrangement, between these and other details like horn placement would take a considerable amount of remodeling to get correct... I suspect internally with the core scripting it's still just a basic Kuju 'dash-2, but visually the model and interior are totally unique from both the Donner Pass and Soldier Summit DLC, in fact it almost looks like the entire locomotive has been completely remodeled, which, if it has, huge props to them. Though I still think they should've also added in the SD40R from Donner(incorrectly identified as SD40-2s by the game, which SP technically never owned) to give mainline trains a bit more power variety... it was actually pretty rare to see tunnel motors running in straight sets without conventional SD40s or SD45s. Plus the old school SD40s SP owned were just cool, and they used them a lot on Shasta. The bell you recognize is one of the original default bell sounds from all the way back in Trainz UTC(that's about the same time MSTS came out if you check your railsim history books) It's an extremely outdated and frankly repetitive and annoying bell that I'm disappointed is even still in the DTG sound library, let alone being used on 45 dollar steam DLC. It's also worth noting... the echo in the horn you were complaining about actually would be appropriate for this route... considering Mt Shasta is in the middle of the Cascades, just something to consider, I think I'll still replace it though, there are much better sounding P3s on Railworks America. The SD9E similarly a mixed bag... on the one hand it's an entirely new, and admittedly very pretty and prototypically accurate model, being an SP guy myself I can't really see anything wrong with it, besides the lack of numbers on the long hood. (that one kinda bothers me, because they went to all the effort to get every detail right but they couldn't be bothered to add one more set of numbers) The prime mover sounds, like you noted, are different and seem to have more of the iconic EMD chug to them that the original Kuju 567s don't, but it sounds like all they did was bass-boost the original sounds, I don't think it's a completely new source. On the other hand the lack of anything of interest inside the cab is a bummer, there's really no difference on the inside between this one and one of the Kuju GP9s. Only complaint about the rolling stock is they missed a huge opportunity to take advantage of the UP license on the TOFC cars, they could've had trailers with SP Golden Pig Service, PFE, classic SP red logo, UP trailer freight service, Mo Pac, WP and Rio Grande markings just to name a few, there's just something about a solid train of clean trailers that looks... wrong. The route itself looks gorgeous, I don't have anything to add or complain about, it just looks good and it'll be an absolute treat to run some of the nicer SP stuff on this line. Definitely gonna pick this up, looks like a solid 8/10 for me, I think the default sounds on the engines are kinda lame and for a 2022 release, there could definitely be more motive power variety, but both the included locomotives look very solid even if they're not incredible. Fix the buggy water and touch up the southern part of the route a little bit with more rocks and foliage, I'd bump it up to a 9, and with a seachlight soundpack, I think this could easily become my new favorite route. Hopefully there's some more SP rolling stock planned because now we definitely need some more, and better looking engines to go on this route.

@mikeytrains1

Жыл бұрын

RRMods GP40-2s ought to really make it better, lol. this has been a pretty nice read

@trainknut

Жыл бұрын

@@mikeytrains1 a route like this deserves a full roster of locomotives on par with RRmods quality IMO.

Very well done, especially unusual details like the lap siding at Mott and Azalea and the old water tower (from steam daze) at Black Butte. I used to extensively railfan this area (and McCloud) during the late 80's early 90's, nothing like 5 tunnel motors chugging upgrade thru Cantara loop in run 8 with 2 helpers cut in just before the cab on a long manifest. Steepest grade on the SP if I'm not mistaken, along with very tight curves. Coming downhill the roar of dynamic brakes and smokin' brakes was also quite a show. The Siskyou line - the original route to Oregon - was still active up until 1994 and had even more brutal grades and curves which eventually led to sale by the SP, ultimately to CORP I believe, which still runs on the Siskyou line. The Cascade Cutoff looks great too, lots of relatively flat sparsely vegetated high volcanic plains, quite a contrast to the deep and heavily forested Mt. Shasta valleys.

I used to live in Klamath Falls for five years in the mid to late 70s when I was a little kid, and seeing those classic SP engines hauling long lumber trains, with majestic Mt. Shasta dominating the background, brings back memories.

Thank you for your valuable opinion for me. You are the only one to detail as much, you show everything even the worst. A lot of very nice assets, the pose is very good, the vegetation is good and varied too. It's a very nice road, I really like it, you just sold it to me, downloading it, I can't wait to ride it. A+ my friends. Zawal. PS: you haven't tested the wild wild west released on my workshop yet? I want your opinion on this one!

@schnauzahpowahz

2 жыл бұрын

Hey thanks for the kind words. Hell, if you think it looks good it must actually be seeing as how you make some of the nicest semi fiction routes for TS. I'll have to check out the one youre referring to, good excuse to bring the ol tea kettles out of the roundhouse 😉

I was born bad raised in Quincy California so I remember seeing trains at the Greenville wye pluga and keddie

W&LE has 2 tunnel motors that are still sporting their original rio grande pant.

@schnauzahpowahz

2 жыл бұрын

Lucky SOB's 😄

I haven't played TS in awhile so I'm just now realizing here where I live in K falls has a scenery add-on. Looks like home for sure, drove on the bridge over the yard to and from work today. Buying for sure next steam sale

The high trestle is Dry Canyon. The marsh just before Klamath Falls is Lower Klamath Lake Wildlife Refuge. The house and barn just north of Doris used to belong to my great uncle. OC&E went to Lakeview, OR and Alturas, CA.

Great review as always. The route itself certainly looks like a step up in quality from the Arizona Divide.

Union Pacific never ordered any SD40T-2 or SD45T-2 (tunnel motors) locomotives. Tunnel motors in Union Pacific paint were repaints from the Southern Pacific merger.

@schnauzahpowahz

2 жыл бұрын

Boom. Knowledge bomb 🙌

I've been waiting for this!! Love the SD9

Hi SP, well, I was pretty excited until we got to the funky water. :) What a clus... sad thing. I've been waiting on this one too, tought it's gonna be a day 1 purchase, but that's not acceptable to be sold as a finished product. Thanks for taking one for the team :)

I might have to pick this up the mountains and scenery sold me 100%😍

@schnauzahpowahz

Жыл бұрын

Its a good line, def one of the better NA routes over the past 2 yrs

I've been looking for a new route and this looks pretty good. Those locos leave a little room for improvement, but overall, pretty nice. Also, 1:28:20 is that you, Butthead? lmao

Another excellent review my friend, keep the content coming. I plan on making old cast Nathan P3s for these and uploading them to our website soon.

Yes, Cab Forwards ran extensively here. One big flaw was there is no town of Weed at the junction with the line to Medford

I just purchased this route due to your video. You put out the best reviews for TS!

@schnauzahpowahz

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words, I wdnt call it a review perse, just "a look at..." 😁 Its a great route though, maybe the NA stuff for TS will get a bit of resurgence 🤞

The echo comes naturally. When you’re in mountain this train has the sound bounces off the trees and rocks and everything.

DTG should send their US add-ons to you for QC before dumping them on the rest of us.

@schnauzahpowahz

2 жыл бұрын

Hahah right. Then itd never see the light of day. Meanwhile one of the dtg "ambassadors" called the Shasta Line dev "maskterkey simulations" and the sd9 a "gp9" Dovetail dont give a shit 🤣

I work on the Siskiyou line and always enjoy the chance to work in Weed. Unfortunately we rarely get any traffic to or from Black Butte these days.

@schnauzahpowahz

2 жыл бұрын

Weeds the next town west of Blk Butte isn't it? Itd be great to have that line sorta like marias pass & hi-line (even tho its all the hi line)

Schnauzahpowahz!you created excellent .farewell- =)

The wipers are air operated at the window, they shouldn't be controlled by the twist switches. Another error I saw was the two center fans on the engine are spinning while it's parked. They should be still, those are the dynamic brake fans, and should only spin while you're under dynamic brake. the engine cooling fans are underneath the flared radiator sections hidden from view... when you're looking at the rear rad section, those two rectangular boxes below the roof radiators are the fan access doors. Fun fact, that's the way to tell the SD40T-2 from a SD45T-2... the 45's have 3 fans where the 40 only has 2. (well that and the cab is further forward on the 45 to make room for the V20 engine... ) But still, there's a lot of nice detail packed in here!

I hope they could expansion route from Roseville, CA to Klamath Falls, OR (Valley & Black Butte Subdivision) in the long future.

@Logan912

2 жыл бұрын

That brings back memories of the MLT Cascades Crossing route add-on for MSTS

@awaken77

2 жыл бұрын

@@Logan912 that route for MSTS was great, one of the best at it's time. I wished someone will re-do this for DTG Train Simulator

funny they opted for the huge L shaped window and left the speedometer right in the middle lol

@schnauzahpowahz

2 жыл бұрын

Good point. That sumbitch is big too

The Bell is recycled, but Horn and actual sound of the Tunnel motors are improved.

I was exploring the 3 Sister's area of Oregon a few years back and there is a mountain slightly north, covered in volcanic glass rock. Black as midnight, shiny glass rocks, sharper than hell. Probably the kind of rock used to make arrowheads I suppose. Perhaps Black Butte is of the same vein. Once this route deviated from the river, the scenery definitely improved. As someone who made the mistake of building a route that followed a river, I can tell you that by mile 19 you become sick and tired of river scenery building. Not to mention that doing it well is a FR killer. But I see laziness here. Overall not bad though. Damn close to excellent otherwise.

@schnauzahpowahz

2 жыл бұрын

That sounds cool as hell (the 3 sisters thing) This areas on my ever increasing bucket list

@daviddryden8088

2 жыл бұрын

@@schnauzahpowahz It's a gorgeous part of the world to be sure and the town of Three Sisters is nice unto itself. Definitely worth a visit.

We'll have to see what kind of discount Dovetail will give this route at the 2022 Winter sale.

The SP crews called the SD9 CADILAC'S for how smooth they road the rail. would like to see them in their BLACK WEDOWS paint scheme and the round headlight.

@schnauzahpowahz

2 жыл бұрын

Fosho. Love me some black widow and the older SP Lines logo

the tunnel motors still in service toady in Trona California

There's lots of footage of cab forwards on the shasta line.

Kuju sd40 sounds That bell is used on ever sd40 no joke lmao

That bell is fomr trainz driver

Milepost Simulations clearly are a cut above the rest as far as routes but are there any 'PRO' drop in replacements for the SP EMD SD40T-2 TM and EMD SD9E “Cadillac”? If not do you know of any mods to enhance them?

I honestly think this route is way better than donner pass. Better shading, rolling stock and the locos obv. Horn could have been better, bell as well.

Parabéns pelo vídeo. Essas nuvens são as que vem na rota? Se não, de onde são por favor!!!

SP used block occupancy rules, there should be the signs naming the blocks. Many other SP signs are missing like end/begin CTC, the hockey stick ( entering a yard ) round switch targets with numbers and the id signs on the type of switch. Numbered signals, tell tales, and many SP structures. At least the speed limit signs are right.

Yes they still exist rj Corman has some if them

1:11:28 Water tank at Hotlam is actually there.

was gonna wait for this review before i bought it.. but i wanted that cadillac so bad bottom line i'm already enhancing it XD though i'd also point out the SD40 bell is the default kuju one, aswell as the bell on the GTEL, some of the SD40s also have that ship bell

@schnauzahpowahz

2 жыл бұрын

Ah nice, work your magic

@LP_LP_LP_LP

2 жыл бұрын

Check the TS Community site and you'll be in for a surprise No support for Central jerseys pack until he updates It for shasta though

@schnauzahpowahz

2 жыл бұрын

@@LP_LP_LP_LP now that is a mod collab that'll be spicy

does the tanks have a loaded option ?

I have one question why doesn't this route have the whole subdivision from Redding California to Klamath falls but this is not the only route that doesn't go from crew change point to crew change point Western Pacific feather River is only half the route as well.

im living in klamathfalls atm and i wonder what year this is lol i dont see walmart by the train yard lol

About the SD9E, they did not have any rear numbers. SP made some odd decisions back in the day...

What enhancement pack do you use by chance? RW or AP?

@schnauzahpowahz

2 жыл бұрын

Both 😃

@Snakeman-kw5ns

2 жыл бұрын

@@schnauzahpowahz Thank you, debating on getting the AP Weather enhancement!

Twenty seconds in and I'm already grabbing the wallet! 🤨

@schnauzahpowahz

2 жыл бұрын

Iz guud

You should modernize it abit and some DASH 9s and SD70Ms

How are the locos compared to Searchlight Simulations AC4400CP?

@schnauzahpowahz

Жыл бұрын

In the TS classic realm theyre certainly not as good as SS but not the worst either. The developer that did the route actually altered these a bit and did an ok job

SD-9 my gyro lights dont work same on the sd-40-t

Is this line still used? Does BNSF or Union Pacific operate it now?

@youngwarrior2

4 ай бұрын

UP owns it. BNSF occasionally runs a detour.

The route looks great, except signals which are not visible from distance. SD40T-2 is a disaster, though visually is OK but cab scripting is dated to 2008 and dynamic brake barely works

@schnauzahpowahz

2 жыл бұрын

Seems like a few of the MP routes have had troublesome signal vis

@awaken77

2 жыл бұрын

@@schnauzahpowahz i think it's possible to tweak signals in some config. searching for solution, someone did that for other route

is this Train Simulator 2021 or 2022 and where can I get it on pc

@schnauzahpowahz

2 жыл бұрын

Its just called Train Sim Classic now. Can get from Steam or Dovetail Games store

Ex Southern Pacific wood chip cars on CSX Charleston sub

@schnauzahpowahz

2 жыл бұрын

Noice

@AgentSpockAgentSpock

2 жыл бұрын

@@schnauzahpowahz I catch them on video all the time for my KZread channel

No logos due to licensing issues likely.

@schnauzahpowahz

2 жыл бұрын

Which is true and nuts at the same time seeing as how DTG have a "relationship" w Amtrak - think theyd spread the love

You kinda sound like another youtuber called Raptor

@LP_LP_LP_LP

2 жыл бұрын

to me he almost sounds like Michael MJD

@schnauzahpowahz

2 жыл бұрын

I know none of these people. But they must sound awesome 😉