The air break system worked as designed. That’s always a good thing

@MottyGlix

4 жыл бұрын

Dan, it's "the air *brake* system". FYI

@LeafGreenLPs

4 жыл бұрын

@@MottyGlix it brakes when the connection breaks, so it works lol

@tcvideosennistexas

3 жыл бұрын

depending on the 'make-up' of the train,,,,,emergency application can be a 'mess',,,or a 'derail',,,,,some 'light-empty' cars stop quickly,,,,and a loaded-heavy car can 'run into' a lighter car, causing a derailment,,,,,just depends.

@thomasdupee1440

3 жыл бұрын

@@tcvideosennistexas For that reason, some railroads (CSX being one) specify a PCS delay of 20 seconds on the controlling unit so that power will be maintained in the event of a train separation. This allows the head end of the train to "pull away" from the rear portion, preventing a collision between the two sections of the train. UP does not specify a PCS delay. There is a KZread video showing the consequences of a train derailment at the head end during a tornado and the rear portion of the train running into the stopped locomotive. Search "tornado vs. train".

The poor guy stuck in his car at the crossing for an hour

@LasVegas68

4 жыл бұрын

LOL I was thinking the same thing!

@jackd.ripper9951

4 жыл бұрын

I sure hope he didn't have anything important to do, like a job interview or getting his wife to the hospital because she just went into labor or something to the effect.

@HVACSoldier

4 жыл бұрын

ocsrc It looks like it was about two hours.

@chaseboi5596

4 жыл бұрын

@@jackd.ripper9951 lol

@Finetales

3 жыл бұрын

According to the cam clock, the train reached the crossing at around 12:56 and left at around 15:19...almost 2 and a half hours!

Maybe if you hadn't have speeded the video up so fast, the cars wouldn't have separated. :-)

@Transport-UK

4 жыл бұрын

That is good.

@adamjkp

4 жыл бұрын

nice

@Normal1855

4 жыл бұрын

😅😅😅😅😅

@ThatGuy-sd3zl

4 жыл бұрын

🤔

@UnionCountyPhotography

4 жыл бұрын

He used the DCC Programmer too much. (People who Play Ro Scale Games on Roblox will know)

Would have been even funnier if that autorack had UP's old slogan on it... "We will deliver"

@9-44CW

4 жыл бұрын

More like We Won't deliver

@average_joe8905

4 жыл бұрын

lol

@clffliese26

4 жыл бұрын

Actually, they will, since the crew repaired the gear, recoupled the train, and pulled out. 😅

@braysfinds7479

4 жыл бұрын

Pulling the couplers out!

Good! No Derailment and No Injuries! That's a Plus!

@18436Melissa

4 жыл бұрын

An A+ for passing that stuff

I wonder what the car driver at the crossing was thinking when that went by

@622wesc

4 жыл бұрын

Bet they are thinking it's a long way around.

@davecasey4341

4 жыл бұрын

I want to know how many sat there for over two hours, waiting for the train to move? ;)

@RALenterprises

4 жыл бұрын

They were on their phone the entire time, and never knew the train even stopped!

@epiccsx

4 жыл бұрын

lol

I just watched this in real time to catch the sound of the air dump. Nice having ability to rewind. Thanks for posting day of the event.

Excellent coverage again VR 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

Man you guys have some great cameras, very detailed at far distance as you see the train continuing on around the curve and then se it back up and see the conductor hop off and two additional workers who had arrived to help make repairs. Great job of editing your recorded stock of the day to find breakdowns and then add all the additional views! Keep up the good work.

what would have happened if there was an end DPU unit pushing it even after coupling failure?

@embeddedt

4 жыл бұрын

It probably depends on the MU connection type. If it was cables then the rear end would probably stop pushing. If they use radio then I have no idea.

@UjjawalKashyap

4 жыл бұрын

@@embeddedt they definitely run on wireless MU connections

@Ghauster

4 жыл бұрын

Break systems have a pressure switch that when the pressure drops suddenly causes the locomotive to stop supplying power to the traction motors. This resets when the crew fixes the problem and rebuilds the air pressure.

@robertheinkel6225

3 жыл бұрын

Very good question. I suspect the sudden pressure drop, would signal a problem

@RedRam331

3 жыл бұрын

@@Ghauster Cool. I knew that if the air dumped it put the brakes into emergency, but I didn't know about the switch that cut the locomotive's power. Great information.

Engineer: Why does my train feel lighter?

@calebmanuel17

4 жыл бұрын

Lol

Broken coupler, huh. I thought they were testing a new "Drop And Run" delivery system for autoracks...silly me.

@kb7yim960

4 жыл бұрын

I've heard it called a dutch drop

@russellgxy2905

4 жыл бұрын

Slipping cars only works if there's a conductor already in the car Guss UP shouldn't have ditched cabooses then XD

At that speed, it sounded like a model train.

The thing that scares me when this happens is that 70 lbs piece of iron bouncing down the track.

@awizardalso

4 жыл бұрын

It could also cause a derailment if it bounced into the wrong spot.

@PalpatineExOrder66

4 жыл бұрын

Not 70lbs I can tell you that. We have one bounce get caught on a tie and lifted the car up and off the rail. It derailed 8 cars no one hurt.

@bigdave46148

4 жыл бұрын

@@PalpatineExOrder66 70 lbs was just a guess. Not sure how much the complete thing weighs, so I figured a broken one would be around 70.

@ohboy2592

4 жыл бұрын

The knuckles themselves weigh in around 60. Whole coupler assembly is hundreds of pounds.

Wonder how long the person in the car waited, before they gave up and found another route.

@Another_Random_Dave

4 жыл бұрын

stephen billings rumor has it he’s still there

a HA! Thank you. learn something new every day.

They should use kaydee couplers instead of those cheap plsstic mc henery couplers,,,,lol

@silverdollarswede151

4 жыл бұрын

You sound like a "model" citizen.

@chsrails

4 жыл бұрын

Nah, they gotta be using those model power couplers

@kensbackshop6399

4 жыл бұрын

@@chsrails horn hook couplers ,,,lol

@kensbackshop6399

4 жыл бұрын

@@chuckgilly cheesy mate thats funny

@kensbackshop6399

4 жыл бұрын

@@silverdollarswede151 of course i am

Looks like a draw bar issue. I retired from Norfolk southern back on October after 27 years. The last couple of years I had this happen many times. Most of the time the computer is running the locomotives when it happens. Simple explanation, longer trains means more strain on the coupling systems thus problems like these happen. Normally you will see a dpu in the middle to help stop this but the real reason is with the longer trains and a dpu on the end in many cases the signal can't reach from the front to the rear so they place them on the middle and stuff like this still happens. I wish the railroad well, all the young college guys in the corporate office know it all. As long as my retirement check is in my account every month I don't care haha

Naturally the failed draft gear was on a CSX autorack.

@canuckster24

4 жыл бұрын

TeChNiChaLly... TTX is collectively owned and operated by all Class 1 railroads in North America, it is not the sole responsibility of CSX to maintain TTX rolling stock, even if their name is on it.

@mhgs13

4 жыл бұрын

@@canuckster24 Granted that is true. But I find the irony being the fact that CSX is on the car...lol

@CSX4772

4 жыл бұрын

It can be properly maintained, yet even then, mechanical things can break. Albeit less likely, but the chance is still there

@cdavid8139

3 жыл бұрын

Typical railfan comment

I was watching the camera live when this happened! 😱

@timbarnhart7971

4 жыл бұрын

I was on the cam also

good catch great video,lov the grab bags

I bet watching this live was intense lol

@eugenkramaric1173

4 жыл бұрын

How yes know ☺

This is how my train of thought works on a daily basis.

@RandomAmerican3000

3 жыл бұрын

That is no way to conduct yourself.

Very good video!

VR You are Still The King!!!!

"They've don it again. We've left our tail behind!"

Clarification: What is a draft gear? Looked to me like the knuckles broke.

@jeffreyhueseman7061

4 жыл бұрын

Draft gear is what the knuckle rides in and controls the slack.

@michaelmccarthy4615

4 жыл бұрын

How did they repair that so quickly and move on? (In reference to the time lapse video)

@pvrs87

4 жыл бұрын

Michael Mccarthy crews have it down to a routine just like NASCAR pit crews

@richwielechowski5191

4 жыл бұрын

Gizmologist1 looked like draw bar pulled out. Must have dropped a pin.

@curtnicholson7771

4 жыл бұрын

Rich Wielechowski that's what it looked like to me as well.

A premium video. ♡ T.E.N.

excellent captures

Wow what a catch!

Good catch

Next time start playing actual speed before the air dumps. Nice catch tho.

"Why are we suddenly going MUCH faster?"

New high speed uncoupling for yard jobs

"Nice you made it on time but where's the rest of the train?"

@davidschick6951

4 жыл бұрын

Jim 😲🤭

@18436Melissa

4 жыл бұрын

Me: UHHHHHHHHH... To Be Continued\|/

Well done video! Thank you. Why would something fail there?

Nice catch

The troublesome trucks are at it again!

That would be Interesting seeing those rail cars Separating at a RR Crossing.

@eatingsand9607

4 жыл бұрын

TWO trains?

@6yjjk

4 жыл бұрын

I guess the really scary scenario is this happening a few hundred yards further up, the crossing cancelling, and someone getting creamed by the second half coming at them out of the dark.

0:43 something similar like that happened in front of me and a couple other friends at Norfolk Southern Pomona Yard except the Norfolk Southern Manifest broke a train knuckle in front of us

That more and less looks like the carrier iron ripped out. Fyi. Those auto racks have cushion devices not draft gears.

I had to watch the film twice to realize you spliced and replayed the separation.

2:38 = That has got to be one of the worst feelings for a train conductor...

@ohboy2592

4 жыл бұрын

That means 💵💵💵💵💵

@mocotton225

4 жыл бұрын

Worse than that is a big tree. And worse than that is a dog on the track. And worse than that is a person on the track. And worse than that is a child on the track. And I’m sure it can get worse still.

so then,,,that appears to be a 'carrying iron' failure,,,,,a spring cushioned cross iron that holds the drawbar up and keeps it from dropping down during transit ,,,,and if the drawbar 'drops down,,,,it can lose the coupling with the drawbar it's coupled to,,,,,which appears to have happened,the back uncoupled car's drawbar appears to have 'dropped down' and become uncoupled with the knuckles both closed,,, but un-coupled,,,,,that would need to be fixed immediately. ( it will happen again , next time might be a derailment )

Some good slack action broke this train in two spots. Looked like the knuckles, I've seen drawbars yanked out before.

Well at least the safety systems worked , the cars stopped. Oh that would have been a mess if the brakes failed too

@TheNemosdaddy

4 жыл бұрын

THe brakes dont fail

@takingthescenicroute1610

3 жыл бұрын

The brakes are on a failsafe system. Loss of pressure is what actually triggers the brakes and every wagon has a pair of service and emergency air reservoirs for braking, the brakes being applied whenever the service line pressure falls below that of the service reservoir. Any sudden loss of service line pressure, such as exactly this kind of split-in-two scenario (the other being the head evacuating the service line to initiate an emergency stop), also triggers the emergency reservoirs resulting in even harder braking.

I saw that happen Live!

You going to post the CN Santa train video?

Wow time flies

An a one man crew would have been quicker, smh...

Luckily the cars inside the train didn't get damaged.

Wow 😳

If this train had a DPU at the end would it have stopped pushing once the cars separated?

@stanpatterson5033

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, the DPU and all power units would immediately have the power cut (drop to idle) as the brakes went into emergency. All power at the head end (if morethan a single unit) would be connected by MU cable, and all DPU's in the train, whether in the middle or at the tail and, are connected by radio telemetry. As soon as either the HED or EOT device picks up a problem worthy of emergency braking application, the signal gets send by radio to the corresponding device at the other end of the train to take the exact same action. This helps the air pressure in the train line get bled out much faster than having to all vent out one end through the train to where the initiating device (or separation) is venting. The radio signal is instant, and it tells the corresponding device to dump and cut power, so all radio-controlled power on the train will cut power and return to idle, while the brakes on all cars (and locos) go into emergency braking and bring the train to a stop.

The conductor just pretended like nothing ever happened lol

@davidschick6951

4 жыл бұрын

Potato Dude yeah, just leave it behind, you don’t need it.

The last cars that broke loose had GMC trucks in them and the others were FORD. They could not stand being around junk ! The smell of FORD was just to much !

@jpsholland

4 жыл бұрын

Actually, the GMC's dumped the Fords, because they are better.

I wonder, how common it is for the trailing section of severed train to rear-end the lead section after a separation?

@ohboy2592

4 жыл бұрын

Very uncommon.

@TheNemosdaddy

4 жыл бұрын

Almost never unless something stops the lead cut.

I bet the people in the cars didn't notice until they had to charge there phone batteries.

@eugenkramaric1173

4 жыл бұрын

☺

Did the loads of cars being hauled shift upon seperation?

The slip coaches return!

The cars that broke away must be MTH! LOL😊

Kind of look like the rear portions first "drawbar" is lower. I bet it went over one of these crossings and "slipped out from under" the next forward rack causing a separation. Crossings, diamonds are notoriously low spots sometimes. Both knuckles are still closed so its not a knuckle break. Anyway. Its called a 'high low' Also, can hear the air dump at 00:38

Wow

The coupler carrier iron broke allowing the drawhead to drop down which caused the cars to become uncoupled.

BYE, HAVE A GOOD TIME!

I'm guessing when this happens the brakes auto engage on the break away cars because of the loss of air pressure like a semi truck (no air pressure, brakes full on) and an alarm goes off in the engine cab due to same air loss?

@jbeerailroader6100

4 жыл бұрын

air pressure overcomes spring pressure to release brakes..and vice versa..

@nicholaswhitfield9341

4 жыл бұрын

@@jbeerailroader6100 Nah, there's no spring. The emergency brakes are applied by a the brake valve on each car after a loss of air pressure in the brake pipe. The air pressure for the emergency application comes from the emergency resevoir on each car. If it took air pressure to release the brakes on a car due to a spring, you couldn't kick cars or drop cars by, etc.

how did they come to know, it got separated.?

Nice Video 🇮🇳🚂🚂🚂🚂🚂

"Well, RIP"

There should be a camera at Kirkwood station

Why is it so important to some of you to be the first to comment on a post?

@rubenvillanueva8635

4 жыл бұрын

Carla Lyles Excellent question, Carla.

@3sierra15

4 жыл бұрын

I was the second to point out that evolution is competitive.

@donnebes9421

4 жыл бұрын

Carla Lyles some people just don’t have much of a life.

@carlalyles

4 жыл бұрын

@@donnebes9421 True!

What happened? Rear car's knuckle dropped below the forward railcar's knuckle's grasp? I'd expectensi.on the couplers to keep them together until a little slack allowed the rear to fall. Would locomotives behind have kepthe train together so the gladhands would not separate the brake line?

Two for one special here.

Brakes set when the drain uncouples. Yet, look how long it takes to stop. Also wonder if DPU's reduce the likelihood of that happening. Less strain on the couplers.

@davidwhiting1761

4 жыл бұрын

Definitely. Having a DPU on the end would probably help pump the air line back up after a full stop, too.

@TheNemosdaddy

4 жыл бұрын

@@davidwhiting1761 would have zero effect. This is a case of a y67 F type yoke pin retainer bolt breaking and the F-pin falling out. Allowing the coupler to slide free of the EOCC.

wow those cars says hey wait for me LOL

Well, im not surprised, they keep increasing locomotive h.p. to pull longer and longer trains.....its to much.strain on.the drawbar

@cdavid8139

3 жыл бұрын

Comparatively this is a lighter train than a unit train of coal/grain

@cdavid8139

3 жыл бұрын

@@NortheasternP.T.S. but tractive effort has increased and become smarter

@cdavid8139

3 жыл бұрын

@@NortheasternP.T.S. You may be right. Don't know. I was just responding to the comment that hp has remained around 4400 hp for 30 years. peace

What did you expect from a CSX auto rack?

@cdavid8139

3 жыл бұрын

It's a Trailer Train car.

People in the cars when the train stops: Ohh f. Not now!

OK 👌 That's like to old Rapido couplers ℹ've Still got on my N-Gaugers :-)

no drawbar failure. knuckle just opened up, it happens.

Needs to have a short draft gear installed on all heavy train cars.

@cdavid8139

3 жыл бұрын

These cars are relatively light compared to cars carrying coal/grain/cement etc

Is it too much to ask how the draft gear failure caused the separation? Isn't the draft gear basically a shock absorber? I just watch a few vids on draft gears and it doesn't make sense to me. The draft gear is positioned behind the coupler. The coupler is held in place by a plate and a pin. Just a curious new railfan here.

Scary

Ok, so not a draft gear. Those have Eocc, End of car cusion units. Hydrualic units, with nitrogen gas that retruns the coupler to draft position. In this case it appeared the bolt came out allowing the F-pin to drop out, subsequently allowing the coupler to pull out. Not really a big deal. It happens, i've put them back in many times in the cleveland area. Draft gears are different.

If this had happened in the middle of nowhere, how would the engineer know it happened?

@andrewlucia865

3 жыл бұрын

The air brakes applying, that how. The brake system needs pressure to release the brakes, not to hold them closed, as such, when the train separates like this, the air line is broken and dumps all the pressure, causing the brakes to apply full force on their own. As a result, the crew know something happened almost immediately after it happens, and when the train stops, they can walk down the length of the train to figure out what exactly happened and try to fix it.

Amazing, 3 train separations, two derailments on Horseshoe Curve and a Broken rail in front of the Flagstaff Amtrak station a few months back, all caught on camera. Oh yeah, and the derailment at Belen too.

How often does train car separation happen?

@mocotton225

4 жыл бұрын

DJ KYLOWW Separations very widely depending on train handling, train build, weather, and lots of other factors. Train build seems to be the most important, putting the weight and certain type cars in the right spot for balance. An experienced engineer may be able to manage a poorly constructed train but it’s not easy.

Cool how the back half brakes to a stop.

@keystoneraillink2110

4 жыл бұрын

James Brown indeed. That’s all thanks to a device called an EOTD (end of train device). It links up with the locomotive and is attached on the knuckle of the very last train car. This device communicates with the locomotive and has the ability to apply the brakes from the rear, should a hose link up and limit the air flow, or in this case, a train separation

@RainierRailroader

4 жыл бұрын

Whole train would've stopped, brake line was severed. Continuous 90psi of air was unable to be kept in the brake pipe, triggering an emergency application throughout the entire train, both halves would've come screeching to a stop

@keystoneraillink2110

4 жыл бұрын

Rainier Railroader oh yeah... I forgot that the air is used to release the brakes. Thanks for the clarification

@3sierra15

4 жыл бұрын

@@keystoneraillink2110 Would the EOTD kick in at all without a radio command from the front end? Or would a simple reduction in air pressure do it?

@keystoneraillink2110

4 жыл бұрын

3sierra15 it’s by radio command. The EOT and HTD send info to each other about air pressure, also by radio command. The EOT works when the HTD sends an emergency braking signal to the EOT, which then dumps all the air pressure from the back of the train, engaging the breaks. On a side note if you have a scanner, you can hear the HTD @ 452.9375 and the EOT @457.9375. Again, EOTS are for when there’s and kinked hose or closed handlecock. In this situation, it was the drop in air hose pressure

Must be the K-Line cheap couplers failing.

Holy Jesus.

Must be Accumates.

Separated twice

Suddenly the draft gear fails one car down upon acceleration.

Simples de corrigir a falha de Matrix! Simple to fix Matrix flaw!

What I don't understand, when the train splits in half how the back part doesn't maintain momentum and crash into the front part..

@TheSwanny

4 жыл бұрын

Brandon Koole because the brakes automatically applied as soon as the air dumped(air lines separated when the train did)

They don't stop coming And they don't stop coming And they don't stop coming And they don't stop coming

I hate it when I lose my train.

Is it normal for those parked vehicles to be that close to the rail tracks?

I could just imagine the chat... OH MY GOD NO WAY WOAH WOAH WOAH NO WAY I JUST SAW THAT OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!

That’s what happens when a train is marshalled in yard blocks instead of for proper train handling.

@TheNemosdaddy

4 жыл бұрын

Had nothing to do with it

@rustyshackleford3263

4 жыл бұрын

ImpsMyPimp well to be fair I don’t know what happened before this but putting any car with long drawbars in the tail of a train will cause separations with applications of the brakes and not allowing a proper release and the slack to adjust.

@cdavid8139

3 жыл бұрын

Trains like this run successfully throughout North America. Sometimes there will be a failure. Yes. Part of the business.

Ça fait combien de kilomètres un marchandise là-bas..?