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I was the pilot although it was not my plane. This was a test flight for this model at a club site. On take off it needed full down and still need slight forward stick for level flight. After a short flight and as I was about to hand the controls to the owner The engine went sick so I turned for landing after throttling back but it cut. I’d already selected gear and flaps as assumed it would keep running and pull me home. The wind was very strong so when it cut it literally stopped. I flicked the flaps away but it was set up so the flaps go VERY slow so I didn’t have much chance. Thankfully it sustained very little damage and was flying again workin 2 weeks and completed a full very successful season

@Noircogi

4 жыл бұрын

It definitely looked like you didn't have enough airspeed after the flaps went back up.

@Warbirdguider

4 жыл бұрын

Scott Pritchett correct

@marcojaric4030

4 жыл бұрын

Engine get too hot. Check ventilation on the cilinder and fresh air tonthe carburator intake

@DougsterCanada1

4 жыл бұрын

Sorry to see the aircraft was damaged. Glad it wasn't destroyed. I have flown unpowered two meter gliders almost exclusively, and as I was sitting watching this, and I was twisting in the chair as you brought it in.

@nealrehm6895

4 жыл бұрын

Warbirdglider almost all my maintenance is on landing gear! It just never stops.

I hope it has suffered as little damage as the pictures seem to show. Tnx Dom!

That's what you call the ragged edge,right there!! Sucked the flaps up,and it just quit flying!! That was pretty awesome demonstration of aerodynamic lift!!! Or the lack thereof!!!

I didn't realize how big it was. Very nice flyin

I hope it can be fixed! That was a awesome flight! Thanks for sharing buddy!👍👍👍👍

that was kool, thank you for a great video

What a beautiful model! And very well flown! Bravo! 👍🍻

The sound of that engine in slow mo is fantastic, coupled with the ultra smooth flying, great! Stretching the glide to get to the runway, so tempting! This reminds me of a full scale p51 incident in Britain, engine was cutting out intermittently, pilot attempts return to runway, which was close by, engine doesn’t cut in again, doesn’t make runway and crash lands in paddock, wheels up, sweet, until wing hits hidden concrete obstacle. There exists a utube of this and subsequent interview with pilot, fascinating!

I’d of pulled wheels back up before it went down

@Warbirdguider

4 жыл бұрын

So would I if I had time

@johnnyz681

4 жыл бұрын

Warbirdguider what happened w the engine ? Also did you able to fix it up?:) Last what model was this Carf?

@Warbirdguider

4 жыл бұрын

@@johnnyz681 This was a test flight of a 'flying legends' P51. it proved to be very tail heavy and needed forward stick for level flight. When the engine coughed I had no room to land so had to do a quick right hand circuit to get her home. I dropped the wheels and flaps assuming the engine would bring me home but it quit!!! it was a very windy day so when it quit the model literally stooped. I flicked the flaps away but they take 3 seconds to go away and by that time it was almost on the deck

@JamesFarrowtheAMAZING

4 жыл бұрын

@@Warbirdguider 😢

@jaseegee9293

4 жыл бұрын

All very easy to say Phil Kennedy let's remember it wasn't you that had to make that split second decision!and I also very much doubt you're as able a flyer as this fella!

Disaster is when the plane is totalled , from the video and your comments you got away with an extra heavy landing - still sad to see a beautiful A/C with battle damage

What a shame! Nice looking Mustang and great aerobatic flight until.....See you in the Air!

Beautiful plane great flight !

@Warbirdguider

4 жыл бұрын

most of it!

Easy to say, was the flaps,the landin gear,ex.but wen you are on the sticks,,the time to think is to short. But can be repair that beauty.

Pilot not to blame, with or without flaps at landing speed plus no engine power means falling down like a brick.

It stalled when he pulled the flaps UP ... see 3:36 on the video.

@EssentialRC

4 жыл бұрын

I think you mean it stalled when the flaps were put down. Easy mistake to make under pressure.

@btbplanevids

4 жыл бұрын

@@EssentialRC No - he put the flaps down at 3:26, just before the engine quit. Then 10 seconds later he pulled them up, causing an immediate stall (the stall speed is higher with flaps up, and it just wasn't flying fast enough). But as you say it's easy to make the wrong call under pressure - we've all been there :-)

@EssentialRC

4 жыл бұрын

@@btbplanevids Ahhhh....I didn't see that. Well spotted!

@johanveltheim4331

4 жыл бұрын

Well spotted, I almost missed that! Yes, retracting flaps when flying critically slow is a bit tricky - especially when you've already run out of altitude that you could exchange for airspeed.

@Warbirdguider

4 жыл бұрын

This was a test flight. The model was tail heavy and needed full down trim and slight forward stick for level flight. It was also very windy. It was controllable with power but once that stopped, we’ll you saw the test

Never extend your flaps until landing is assured.... Too much drag was added to quickly and it cost a lot of air speed.... Try to glide the airplane clean and extend your flaps and landing gear at the last second or belly land it clean.

@Warbirdguider

4 жыл бұрын

The engine was running when flaps and gear deployed!

@RCINFORMER

4 жыл бұрын

@@Warbirdguider clean it up

Should not have had flaps down at all on dead stick.

@Warbirdguider

4 жыл бұрын

It was running when flaps were deployed

@12345fowler

4 жыл бұрын

same tough here. He put them back up when he realised he was'nt gonna make the runway, but at this time it was a bad decision as the aircraft clearly loose lift and start to sink fast down. (stall) He you realise you are a bit short but low and slow you best action is to keep speed above stall and save a little energy for the flare, even if that makes you an off-field landing.

Suck the flaps and wheels and risk the prop strike and some grazing of the underside of the plane.

@johanveltheim4331

4 жыл бұрын

That's what I always do if I have the time. Here's a 4,5 kg 1,2 m wing span EDF (with a relatively high wing loading...) that started losing power (around 1:20 on the video) on slow speed climbing flight because I had taken off with a combination of a full charged and empty batteries :) kzread.info/dash/bejne/g4VnysGxo8TIZtI.html

@Warbirdguider

4 жыл бұрын

I would have if I could have got to the gear switch at the same time as the flap switch and flown the plane (that needed forward stick for level flight) all at the same time. 😥

@TastierBackInThe80s

4 жыл бұрын

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@TastierBackInThe80s

4 жыл бұрын

I always watch this as a reminder. Sometimes she's doesn't make it back to the runway. Scarier because it was the real thing.

@Warbirdguider

4 жыл бұрын

Jacen Grey yep, glad he walked away from that one. My flight was a test flight of someone else’s model unfortunately. The model was very tail heavy and needed forward stick to fly straight and level which is no ever good. His switches were in different places to mine and it was a very windy day. It coughed so I turned for home quickly as couldn’t land from where I was. It cut in the turn and I didn’t have time to get everything tucked away again. It was flying again within 2 weeks

They glide a lot further without flaps and gear. Retract the gear for off-field landings..

@Warbirdguider

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed but it was running when flaps and gear was deployed and then stopped in the strong wind when the engine quit.

Yep, should've noted the wind on the nose, retracted the gear and raised the flaps, and then lower the gear to suit. We're all experts on the ground, but on the sticks in a situation like that is very difficult to make the correct decisions.

@Warbirdguider

4 жыл бұрын

all in a split second whilst fighting a model that was very tail heavy and with switches in different places than used to

@JamesFarrowtheAMAZING

4 жыл бұрын

@@Warbirdguider I feel for you man, more annoying in heinsight with these things rather than saddening. I've almost been on the same scenario with a few big warbirds. Currently putting together a big Comp ARF Corsair with a Valach 250-R5, should be interesting. 🙂

Awesome vid. Poor guy. At first I couldn't understand what went wrong.. but the slo mo showed it all. What looked like full flaps, I saw him go level.. then slightly nose-up. Stalled it. Didn't have nearly enough air speed for a slightly nose up approach with flaps. I read the comments... couldn't he have instead kept the landing gear but forego the flaps for the landing? AWESOME vid

@EssentialRC

4 жыл бұрын

Does show how even the best pilots can have a rare bad flying day. Looked easily repairable though. I've seen other balsa P51s explode when the hit the ground.

@tomcline5631

4 жыл бұрын

@@EssentialRC yeah buddy,seems like the wing box tends to just explode!

@n8nkqrp595

4 жыл бұрын

@@EssentialRC That would be heart breaking! I've never done that.. my thing was flying stright through trees only to see a spray of balsa come out the other side. Excellent vids. Thank you so much!

@Warbirdguider

4 жыл бұрын

It was tail heavy and needed slight forward stick for level flight. When it coughed I set it for landing mode and tried to get in quick. It then cut and I had to release elector to switch out flaps hence it picked up then dropped like a stone 😥

@n8nkqrp595

4 жыл бұрын

@@Warbirdguider Oh no! Well it was a fantastic landing given what you dealt with. Your flying skills and air machine are amazing!

Funny how that sheep on right lifts his/her head....”hmmm, wats was dat”

I love the P-51 RC, I have a couple of the smaller ones for sale on eBay now. If one of those crashed Id be sick but this Giant , too bad...I have a Giant Yak 56 for sale also on eBay and if that crashed Id be out muchodenero

Ouch! Time didn't permit of course but gear retracted back up might have helped. That said - he'll fly another day fortunately.

@Warbirdguider

4 жыл бұрын

yup, agreed

Pulled the nose up on the glide with no power. That’s a no no with a heavy warbird.

@Warbirdguider

4 жыл бұрын

Incorrect. The model was tail heavy and needed forward stick for straight and level flight. To flick the flaps off when the engine cut I had to release the elevator stick which automatically raided the nose

@swede5209

4 жыл бұрын

Hmmm. Didn’t have time to balance it out?

@meazy451

4 жыл бұрын

Would have greased the landing if he just came in hot

Had lots of experience on dead stick with giant scale Warbirds. This one was particularly iffy because he was already low and slow. Can’t really second guess cause you don’t know wind conditions! However I still would have retracted my gear.

@Warbirdguider

4 жыл бұрын

so would I if it was my model or with switches in the same positions. It was also tail heavy and needed forward stick for level flight.....and it was VERTY windy and when it cut (after flaps and wheels deployed) it literally stopped

@nealrehm6895

4 жыл бұрын

Warbirdguider, yea Hard to tell tail heavy in this video. Pilot tried to stretch final, you can tell with the nose up attitude. Then again most of my Warbirds need some down elevator mixed in with my flap settings, and the mustang in this video probably did not.

Bummer!

i am no expert but may be a bit of down elevator along with a quick flare of up elevator at the touch down would have helped to gain valuable speed. and this would have may be helped you to pass the grass and bring the model on to the patch. but hey, shit happens to the best of us!

@Warbirdguider

4 жыл бұрын

Down elevator was needed for level flight

Why no close ups?

At least it wasn’t destroyed. Maybe a broken prop and a couple dings

Why did you deploy the flaps? That slows her down...next time keep those flaps tucked!

@Warbirdguider

4 жыл бұрын

It was running when flaps were deployed

@mboyer68

4 жыл бұрын

@@Warbirdguider I'm sorry! I shouldn't have Monday morning qb'd you. Beautiful airplane, did you get her back in the air? Thank you:)

@Warbirdguider

4 жыл бұрын

Michael Boyer hi Michael. This was a test flight and the model was very tail heavy. It was repaired and more nose weight added and was flying again within a couple of weeks 👍

Stalled it all the way to the ground! SAD!

Instead of retracting the flaps you should've kept the flaps down and push the nose down and you may have prevented the stall

@Warbirdguider

4 жыл бұрын

The aircraft literally stopped because of the head wind

I notice at the time of crash he has turned of the flaps

Lovely plane but I think there is some click bait in the title...

Nose up, full flaps on a dead stick approach!! - best glide, maintain direction and manage your energy, there was no chance of a successful landing he’s lucky it didn’t drop a wing but it looked like it was about to

@Warbirdguider

4 жыл бұрын

Check other comments and see other factors involved

The title should state RC MODEL !!!

Man alive is everyone on the selling game on you tube now.....

@EssentialRC

4 жыл бұрын

Your offended by the one product link in the pinned comments? You don't have to click on it, honestly. 🙄

The real RB-51 Red Baron came down in a similar manner, too much drag to glide in with no power. In the RB's case, the Griffen engine seized and the six blades of the counter-rotating prop turned into a huge air brake. The plane could not reach the runway because of. Steve Hinton was lucky to survive the crash. kzread.info/dash/bejne/dZdqxMqjqdaWl5c.html

Maintain thy airspeed lest the earth surely shall rise up and smite thee.

Sad

Honestly there wasn't much he could do. He would have had to get some serious airspeed and not add flaps until the very last few seconds to slow it down and even then he would have had to have done it all immediately. Sucks to watch something where it really wasn't possible to save!

Why didn’t he bail out ..Why?!? 😥

He stalled in an attempt to make the landing strip, why would he put down the flaps to reduce speed with a dead engine?

if you stall you fall

@Warbirdguider

4 жыл бұрын

yep, all baaaaaa none

SAD. one Beautiful P 51, She WILL Fly again.

@Warbirdguider

4 жыл бұрын

she flew again a couple of weeks later but now with a lot more nose weight....... and performed perfectly ever since

Can’t figure out why he had the flaps down and then stalled it. Should have kept the speed up and glided it in.

@Warbirdguider

4 жыл бұрын

Because the engine was running when the flaps were dialled in for landing. It then cut in a very strong head wind

@richardsnyder9767

4 жыл бұрын

Warbirdguider Thank you.

Cripes a mighty! Hard to see her go down hope you rebuild her back to her glory I’m kin to the the original ace George

@Warbirdguider

4 жыл бұрын

This was early in 2019. it was repaired very quickly, more nose weight added and has performed very well ever since

Flaps without power? WTF... Nobody tries that and gets off Scott free! Looks like a "soft crash" but dam... think about stuff before you drop flaps.

@Warbirdguider

4 жыл бұрын

It was running when the flaps were dropped

@K3Flyguy

4 жыл бұрын

Ok, I will take your word for it, I was not there. What I thought I saw, from the camera angle and sound effect I heard, it appeared/sounded (to me) like the engine died 1.5 seconds before final turn was completed and before the flaps were engaged. Then as the plane came out of the turn and leveled off a bit it appeared the flaps were then engaged. Camera angle and sound travel could account for my misinterpretation of what I thought I saw. I don't enjoy seeing beautifully crafted planes crash, I hope your plane was easily repaired. My original comment was not intended to be malicious, just an attempt at a humourous observation from mistakes I have made in the past. Turning/no power/flaps is nearly always a formula for fast, uncontrollable " landings". Have a great day!

I would have belly landed flaps up.

With 30yrs of flying highly modified rc airplanes like p51 and corsairs and flying gee bees on a dead stick like that I would have kept the nose down and airspeed up and dropped the gear at the last second and heck with the flaps. Mustang has a high stall speed and with no engine keeping the speed up is challenging.

@Warbirdguider

4 жыл бұрын

the engine was running when it was set up for landing. When the engine cut it stopped in the air because of the head wind. The model was also very tail heavy and needed forward stick for level flight.

@danielcartwright8804

4 жыл бұрын

How many planes have ever test flown? Did you know it was very tail heavy before taking off? Even if there was a head wind you have to keep your speed up with these war birds even with engine power that's the reason I wheel land any war bird they have a very high stall speed. If you noticed it being very tail heavy why didn't you just went and landed it when you noticed it wasn't flying right? Every time I test any type of airplane for anybody or myself I double check everything and when I do fly it I shoot landing's and take offs to see how the airplane is going to act.

@Warbirdguider

4 жыл бұрын

@@danielcartwright8804 thanks Daniel. I'm not a professional but have flown a fair bit. It went wrong this time which I have to deal with but thank fully it was repaired easily and it now flys great

@danielcartwright8804

4 жыл бұрын

Warbirdgudier I know your not a professional but keep flying and you keep gaining experience then I guarantee you will be a professional like alot of us. I be Happy to fly with you anyday God bless you and your family and your fellow flyers.

defiantly he had flap diled in way to early and gear down . not a sailplane pilot

@Warbirdguider

4 жыл бұрын

The engine was running when they were dialled in!

Woulda made the field if he hadn’t dirtied up the aero

Sin

Wheels back up, No flaps could have got ya a bit more speed to flare! Sorry man I've been there before, It's all part of the hobby unfortunately!

@EssentialRC

4 жыл бұрын

Indeed and this pilot knows that. He's super experienced and one of the best warbird pilots in the UK. Everyone in RC has the occasional bad day.

@Warbirdguider

4 жыл бұрын

If it was my plane on my transmitter set up by me I would have done exactly that. The engine was running when I set it up for landing. It then cut and stopped in the air. It was also tail heavy and needed forward stick for level flight.

Tragic disaster? Really? Looks like a typical sink rate on a war bird to me. Classic failure...dead stick without sufficient altitude

Almost killed those sheep🐑