The story of a wandering band of seafaring warriors who just can’t seem to get home as depicted in the Odyssey makes a lot more sense of one thinks of them as the Sea Peoples.

IMO the sea people's wars were a migrational response to climate crisis due to the Egyptians mentioning women and children with them which would be odd for a war band.

@ueks69

2 жыл бұрын

I was wondering that, maybe the middle ghor impact was the catalysator

Thank you Nik, for having shared you knowledge with us, Rest in Peace. - I regularily revisit your videos to support your family by views.

@lglubbock7593

4 ай бұрын

what happened to Nik

@MagnaMater2

4 ай бұрын

@@lglubbock7593 Sorrily died of some fatal infection, that started in the heart and consumed the rest of him. If you're on other social media-sites, please share his videos to support his little family, he had to leave behind. If we keep the site alife, they might get some extra-coinage from the ads.

23:58 I almost fully agree with his identification of the major Sea Peoples, except that I think that the Weshesh (the most mysterious of all) were maybe the Ausones, a pre-Indoeuropean people from Southern Italy documented to have acted piratically against Greece (and maybe implied in the later collapse of Mycenaean Greece). Oscans were Indoeuropeans and (along with their Latin and Samnites cousins) were at that time barely entering Italy, and were landlubbers, not seafarers. PS - The Peleset are obviously the main precursors of the Philistines, indeed, but they must have originated among the pre-Indoeuropean Greeks known as Pelasgians (important in Thessaly and Crete at the very least judging on Greek legends and on distribution of Y-DNA J2, characteristic of Pelasgo-Tyrsenians in European late prehistory). Similarly the Sekelesh must be precursors of the Siculi and Sicels that give name to Sicily but where did they come from? My take is that they seem very much a pirate or mercenary (shekel = weight or coin of silver) group from the area of Syria/Lebanon, maybe some sort of proto-Phoenicians. They were circumcised per the Egyptian records (which considered that to be a good thing and treated their victims differently according to that) what only seems to work if they were Semitic, as no other group other than Egyptians and Semites, maybe only Levant Semites at first, are known to have such practice in the Mediterranean region). This is also supported (actually my main lead) by the fact that Sicilians, very anomalously and rather unexplicably, tend genetically to Syria/Lebanon a lot, being the more "Oriental Mediterranean" population of Europe, more than Greeks. Also worth mentioning that the Teresh = Tyrsenians or Thyrrenians should not be taken as being yet the Etruscans of Iron Age Italy but their precursors in the area of NW Asia Minor, not far from Troy (known to Greeks as Tauresoi in legends).

@LuisAldamiz

3 жыл бұрын

PS(2) - Sagalassos unlikely re. Shekelesh because too inland and also known to the Hittites as Salawassa. Too far from Semitic/Egyptian influence to have been circumcised.

@lysimachosdiadochos7203

3 жыл бұрын

I think the Etruscans are native to Italy. At least I heard that from The Great Courses Plus, "Mysterious Etruscans".

@LuisAldamiz

3 жыл бұрын

@@lysimachosdiadochos7203 - It's a common idea and has been argued since Antiquity: Herodotus claimed they were original from "Lydia" (i.e. Western Asia Minor, obviously not ethnic Lydians, who were Indoeuropeans of the Luwian branch), while some others argued that they were native to Italy, the debate has persisted to our day or almost so. However I think there's a bunch of evidence supporting the Asia Minor origin: 1. There were Tyrsenians in the Aegean in the Iron Age (Lemnians, attested by inscriptions in a language clearly related to Etruscan but not identical, in the island of Lemnos, not far from Troy). 2. Genetic affinity: this is quite complex but there is some clear Aegean-Italian genetic influence that was not there in the time of Ötzi (Copper and most of Bronze Age) and is not preserved in the Ötzi-like Sardinian "fossil" population. This genetic affinity seems to be, per several studies, greater than average in Tuscany and even greater among ancient Etruscans. Of course they were a mix of Aegean and natives but there was and is a significant element of Aegean or even specifically Anatolian roots. Some of it was re-distributed westward by the Roman Empire, especially to Southern Spain. 3. In relation with pont #2, Y-DNA J2 (very important in SE Europe especially, Italy included) also follows that rationale: it was absent in European Neolithic, be it mainline (Vasconic) or from the steppe (Indoeuropean and others). It must be from other origin and the only logical one is the c. 5000 BCE invasion of the Halaf-Vinca peoples, which surely spread it in West Anatolia and parts of the Balcans. Those peoples, who persisted in Thessaly all the way till the Bronze Age (Dimini and Rakhmani cultures), as well as probably in other regions of the Aegean I call often Pelasgo-Tyrsenians because I'm persuaded they are that ethno-linguistic group (one of four major groups historically identifiable in Europe, the others being Vasconic, Indoeuropean and Uralic), which left a legacy in the Greek legends and the early history of Italy and may well have included the Teucrian/Trojans as well (which I feel are very closely related to Tyrsenians proper but still distinct enough to be called by another name) and quite possibly also the Minoans or Eteocretans. 4. Italy experienced very dramatc changes in the period of the Late Bronze Age and Early Iron Age, the LBA collapse was not restricted to the Eastern Mediterranean (also some major shifts in Iberia and parts of France but less total than in Italy). Most of this changes can be attributed to the Indoeuropeans (Celto-Italics), who invaded from North of the Alps in the context of the Urnfields culture, which in Italy is often called "proto-Vilanovan", rather confusingly. After Urnfields several cultures emerge, most of which can be identified with early historical Italic or Celtic groups but in Southern Tuscany, Northern Lazio and much of Emilia-Romagna we find the Vilanovan culture instead, which is clearly proto-Etruscan. Hence either the Etruscans invaded allied with the Italics or they counter-invaded against the Italics (or a mix of both) but their arrival to Italy is related to the Celto-Italic invasion. The Shekelesh were surely also involved in those mysterious wars as well, and probably the Sherden of Sardinia too, although these were clearly in the losing side and even withstanding an influx of refugees from the mainland, judging on ancient DNA (which made them a bit more Ötzi-like than they used to be). Thus I'm pretty certain that, just as the Celto-Italics arrived from Central Europe, the Etruscans and Sicels/Siculi arrived from the Eastern Mediterranean just a bit later and are identifiable with the Teresh (Tyrsenians) and Shekelesh (IMO some Semitic mercenary group from the Lebanon-Syria area (judging on genetics) and each carved their niche at the expense of the Italian "Aborigines" (the word was first coined by ancient Latins to refer to those ancient Italian natives, almost legendary to them already but whose memory still persisted). More archaeogentic research in Italy is needed to clarify the fine detail (although the Urnfields practice of funerary cremation is not conductive to it) in order to clarify the fine detail but something like what I'm telling you must have happened because all points to a very different human landscape in Italy before and after the LBA collapse.

@LuisAldamiz

3 жыл бұрын

@TRUTH CENSORED - How can you tell those ships are "Phoenician"? The various ethnicities of the Eastern Mediterranean surely used very similar ship designs but it's not an aspect I've researched in any way. In any case Phoenicians only emerge (as Northern Canaanites, they always called themselves Canaanites, Phoenician being a Greek word) already in the Iron Age. Judging by the archaeological remains in the Western Mediterranean, their sea trading (and settling) activities only began around 800 BCE or a bit earlier, already at the end of the Greek Dark Age. Earlier they were under Egyptian rule most of the time, as were Southern Canaanites too (but not NW Syria or Cyprus, which were vassals of the Hittite Empire instead).

@lysimachosdiadochos7203

3 жыл бұрын

@@LuisAldamiz Thanks for sharing.

Love the mug, *When In Drought Migrate Out* , is that merch?

@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449

3 жыл бұрын

Yes sir!

They need to make an epic movie on the the Aeneid.

@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449

3 жыл бұрын

100%

I've been waiting for something like this so eagerly!

It makes me happy to see a new video of yours that is long! An hour would be even better!

@kimberlyperrotis8962

2 жыл бұрын

I wrote this before watching, and yawning, for an hour.

Excellent commentary - thanks for tying the Trojan War aftermath to the Sea Peoples.

I don’t give the Aeneid the same weight as Homer’s work in terms of any possible seeds of historicity. Homer’s work was (800?) hundreds of years before the Aeneid, which was an Augustan-sponsored deliberate propaganda work to give Rome a founding-mythology equivalent to that of the Greeks. Three hundred years after Homer, when Greece was entering its age of innovation and achievement that laid the foundations of Western Civilization, Rome was just a small village of thatched mud huts. Rome didn’t have a long tradition of a heroic warrior history as in Greece, Virgil invented one for it in the Aeneid. Rome accomplished a lot, and contributed a lot to Western Civilization, but it built almost everything upon the Greek model, which they venerated.

@robertohlen4980

2 жыл бұрын

Indeed, the way stories and history worked back then was not so much truth as much as the moral of the story, which makes both Homer and Virgil needing to take a shipload of salt to make it "fact".

@ghostlightdc

2 жыл бұрын

However the story of the Trojan connection predates Rome going back to the Sicul, Elymirians, and Etruscans. Virgil's poem might come much later but not necessarily those myths. The Latins were just one of many Italic people. I would wager this was a larger story from various places in ancient Italy that the Romans then tailored to themselves.

What an amazing lecture. Very thoughtful provoking. Thank you for sharing!

As always very special episode, awesome!

@daPawlak

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, interdyscyplinary cooperation is the future

thanks for sseveral new angles on this familiar story

This is great thanks! If your really interested in this stuff, it doesn't matter how well it's conveyed. Afterwards it occurred to me that, being interested is also what drives us to makes sense of history's often cryptic messages.

Wow such a great video I liked this very much your KZread channel is the best channel on you tube. Your channel is the inspiration for other history lovers. I get much more knowledge than any book from your channel. Your all videos are full of Knowledge and wisdom. According to my account your channel is the best history channel of KZread. You definitely become number 1 channel on KZread in future. Your analysis is so good. So bro can you make a video on Skanderbeg please please

*QUESTION TO ALL:* Is there a complete compendium of the fragmented Epic Cycle? Obviously the Iliad and Odyssey is a available...but has anyone(or publisher) put all of them together in one bound volume? Even a text book? Can the published fragments be found? Id love to read the "OTHER" parts of the Epic Cycle

Cool! Gripping! Thank you!!

Very interesting hypothesis. I'll definitely be looking for your book.

Can't wait to read this book! I've subscribed to this theory for a while.

I keep saying this is the best one yet, then this!

This one hit the low bar, I was struggling to remain awake.

@kimberlyperrotis8962

2 жыл бұрын

I agree!

Can you put the sources for this somewhere?

Love the Library!! I have many of those same books! :) The Professor had a pretty LAME flex though... "I received special permission to view a papyrus."... Really brother, that desperate to share? LOL. He did an okay presentation, a bit too much off the slide... Thanks for the Video Gentlemen, well done!

A few chapters from the Iliad and the Odessey have been linked to the raids of the sea people but more evidence has to be brought to light if the library of Alexandria in Egypt 🇪🇬 had existed today we would have found a wide variety of sources from this library linking the epic of Odessey with the nostrum( information linking the raids of the sea people and the post Trojan war events) . It could have given us a plethora of information on the entire scenario that led to the collapse of the Bronze Age. The romans shouldn’t have destroyed the library 📚 of alexandria. Now the entire history of the Mediterranean after 12 century B.C.E has become a complete mystery to the scholars of Bronze Age history.

Anyone know if this book has been published or if it's still in the works?

love the mug lol

@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449

3 жыл бұрын

I thought I came up with a funny LBAC joke. Hahaha.

Sea peoples is always fun

@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449

3 жыл бұрын

You know it! Got another special one coming!

@ghostlightdc

2 жыл бұрын

@@studyofantiquityandthemidd4449 I have a pretty thorough theory regarding the relationship between the Trojan War, Bronze Age Collapse, and the Sea Peoples. I think the evidence is all there to connect them and makes perfect sense. I'm contemplating even making a video on it sometime. I hope you do more on this topic!

Why are all these artifices in Chicago and not in their homelands?

Scholars wonder why the Mycenaean civilization collapsed and the Classical Greeks tell us why. Yet, for some reason, the classical explanation is off the table.

Saw THE lecture,, His on to something

When you don't study for a test in high school and have to read the flashcards in front of the class 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Could the Middle Ghor impact be the source of the bronzeage collapse?

Hey Nick, my name is Matt, im an archaeologist and a college student, I would love to offer my help to you if you need help researching or looking for oral tradition of a people

Is this video typical of those on Ancient Origins? Please tell me, before I sign up for it, anyone, thanks.

@fredrickofficial5674

2 жыл бұрын

Hello 👋 Kimberly How are you doing today?

Hmmm very interesting could be or am I a geek,?

Always wondered who the heck "Sea peoples" were! And where they came from.

Atlantic civilisations spreading through Ireland and the British isles, France and Iberia. The people who constructed the megaliths.

there is good info here but it sounds like a high school presentation...

Idea: Gift Sea Peoples glasses to random people :)

In the Iliad you can find references for smoking hemp seeds (which were thrown on heated stones) which is a truly Scythian custom. Also the mask of Agamemnon looks like a piece of Scythian art

I lost all confidence in this man's accuracy and abilities once he wrote that no discipline of literary archaeologist exists. My former sister-in-law was a literary archeologist, married to a nautical archeologist. She went on digs in modern-day Turkey, looking to recover texts and manuscripts from Anatolia.

Nick, I think it’s time for you to start pre-screening the presentations you receive, not all of them are suitable for your audience, or up to its minimum quality standards.

Sea People= Ancient Greek and Italic people 🇬🇷🇮🇹

With a consideration of some truth to parts of the narratives given, it wok,d seem that some of the Mycenaeans became treasure lustful pirates while others were peaceful. In that if Menelaus traveled to Egypt an as far south as the Afar, of the Askum kingdom. ( Ethiopia) that his presence in Egypt would have been peaceful in that he would have needed to travel through both lower and upper Egypt, and Nubia of the Kerman civilization which. Although technically part of the Egyptian New Kingdom, still maintained its own. Administrative state. Since this is quite a distance overland,( no water routes except the Nile, ) any hostile acts would have been easily dealt with before the cataracts around elephant island in the Aswan. As to some of 5he Mycenaeans relocating to the Italian peninsula, there is some. DNA evidence of the Etruscans having originated in 5he Aegean.so the possibilities exist for Sicily. And Sardinia although there is DNA evidence that Otzi the Ice Man was of Sardinian ancestry at a time of the late Neolithic. Indicating that. The Mycenaeans, would have integrated into an existing society. There does not seem to be any evidence to support a hypothesis that. The Sea peoples were predominantly from these Mycenaean origins, although they may have been caught up in the collapse of the TinTrade from Iberia, probably due to the Einfeild incursion over the Pyrenees into eastern Iberia. It may be as you have stated that the Mycenaeans took over the trade routes after the collapse of the Minoans on Crete. And would have been severely impacted as the first major population in such a breakdown. Especially if Sardinia and Sicily had a refugee problem from the west. Along the most prosperous Mediterranean trade route.

The see people are the people of dogerland when it snake in north see

sea ppl!!!!!!!

This is very introductory information, I think, for most viewers of this channel. Perhaps it’s more suitable for a middle or high school viewership that is completely unfamiliar with history. There are many, many similar, basic, videos on this topic already on YT, put together with information from Wiki or a few popular history books. The production quality is not up to the usual quality level of this channel. I’d rather hear from people who can teach me something new, like Dr. Hitchcock.

@annascott3542

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve been wanting to see more of Dr. Hitchcock myself!!! Thought that a few times after I just recently re-watched the videos with her on here for about the 3rd/4th time. And I would like to add that this channel doesn’t need any more short clips those just won’t do if you want to go in depth in the history 10 minutes here, 15 minutes there; basically useless!

Was shocked that the lecturer is of greek descent. He mispronounced every greek word.

The Sea Peoples are always presented as being of Mediterranean origin. But think outside the box for a moment. We don't have any DNA evidence to back this up. We have Egyptian drawings and that is about it. Oh, and some weird names. Now consider this. Bronze Age Northern Europe. Suppose the Sea Peoples were pre Viking nomads? Just an idea.

Pretty elementary

😐🙄😑

Need a narrotor

First ;)

What if the Shekalesh are part of the connection between the Scythians and the Scots?...

@lysimachosdiadochos7203

3 жыл бұрын

Lol, what? They were Sicilian. Scythians were Iranic, and the Scotts are Celto-Nordic. None of the 3 have anything to do with each other.

@barbaratimmons5510

2 жыл бұрын

@@lysimachosdiadochos7203- Sorry to contradict your way of thinking, but I am working on research which is pointing to possible connections through trading with the early enterprising Phoenicians who exploited the copper and tin commerce in early Britain, travelling as far north as Orkney and Shetland, at the beginning of the Bronze Age. That was long before Celtic-Nordic culture blossomed in northern Europe.

@lysimachosdiadochos7203

2 жыл бұрын

@@barbaratimmons5510 Don't be sorry, if you could share some links that would be awesome.

@cs.b.3468

2 жыл бұрын

@@barbaratimmons5510 If you take out the vowels you will end up with the same "scth" sequence

@barbaratimmons5510

2 жыл бұрын

@@cs.b.3468 Hi horka, Is your reference to associate SCOT with SCTH? I take note of that (and the fact that I understand that it was usual to drop vowels in ancient writing) but in the Scottish historic tradition, we have come to believe that the people were named after an Egyptian Princess called Scotti who came here via Ireland, in the early Bronze Age.She is said to have brought a venerated stone which was known as Jacob's Pillow.( see the Christian Bible (Genesis 28) This eventually became the Coronation Stone : The Stone of Destiny, which all Scottish monarchs sat on to be crowned. It was incorporated into the English throne by the aggressive King Edward I when he stole it around 1310 AD until it was recently returned and will be on display in Perth in a grand new museum shortly. Who knows how true the early origins of this fantastic story can be? But I feel it ties in to my belief that the Hebrew Phoenicians had a hand in forming our history.

It was my understanding, the sea peoples were Indo-European race originating after the deluge in the Atlantic, possibly from Iberia, where they migrated and associated with other bands of peoples along the Northern Mediterranean. One Egyptian engraving tells how they were beaten, the second time they raided Egypt, and were taken as captives. and were settled In North Eastern Egypt, now known as Israel. Maps show during the time of the exodus, the area was part of Egypt, but maps after the exodus, show as unowned by anybody I believe until the takeover by the Babylonian's.

Virgil WAS ROMAN PROPAGANDA, HARDLY A MASTERPIECE.

Reading from a text in a dull, monotonous voice isn't exactly paying homage to Homer or Virgil...

@erikhoffa966

2 жыл бұрын

I dissagre.

one day when the facts will be stronger than nationalist propaganda you will be amazed when you learn that Odysseus traveled on the Adriatic Sea (1st station Cape Planka near Rogoznica, 2nd station Grapčeva cave on the island of Hvar where the Cyclops live, 3rd station Aeolus island today called Sušac, 4th station Omiš estuary Cetina where then live Lestrigons, the 5th station is the island of the sorceress Kirka which is today called Korcula, the 6th station Kimerani - Had on the now called island of Mljet, the 7th station the island of Lirica with mermaids and today it is called Pelješac, 8th station is Scila i Haribda today called Mali Vratinik, 9th station is Trinakia today's island Šipan, 10th station is Kalipsa on today's island Mljet, and he go back to Ithaca. A geographical description of the environment and a logical interpretation of winds that carry Odyssey explains everything. If you are interested in the Iliad, pay attention to the descriptions of a very unique landscape and look around the city of Shkodra.

Uh, Ancient Origins is not a good source for historical information. I've seen a few of their videos, and so far they have all been History Channel style Ancient Aliens/Bible Code BS. I mean, they have stuff from Graham Hancock on their site, that should be 'nuff said to keep anyone interested in real history away from there- someone that doesn't know any better could easily be confused about what is real and what is conspiracy theory garbage on that site. On this particular video: I'm only an undergrad level history/classics student, but this level of "research" wouldn't fly past History 101 at best, maybe high school (he doesn't even have any citations.) I mean, this guy seems to be suggesting the content of the epics be taken at face value as historical evidence. Writings like these can be considered as possibly having some shred of distant truth in them, but mostly what things like the Iliad and the Odyssey can tell us is how the people telling those stories saw the world and what their cultures were like (at the time of their writing, not the time when the stories were supposed to have taken place!) This whole video is basically just saying "characters in these stories visited Egypt and the Middle East. Maybe that means they are the sea people." You can honestly learn a lot more about the Bronze Age Collapse and the Sea Peoples, the various theories and arguments regarding these, as well as get a list of references for your own research, from Wikipedia. If you aren't going to or can't read papers by real historians and archaeologists, Wikipedia's not bad for this stuff, since they actually vet the information and require citations, and fringe/conspiracy theories will almost always be labeled as such.

@rosacamilleri3193

2 жыл бұрын

As a U.K. Archaeology/History graduate, I couldn't agree with you more! your critical thinking senses are tingling my friend ;)

@luisselby7041

2 жыл бұрын

I been very interested to know about the sea peoples, who were those guys, where they come from and why the reason they left their territory and invaded this land.. Thanks for you info..

@atranotte8154

Ай бұрын

You are right! The metology of all of this look like the humanistic readings of ancient texts meant to glorify a certain city or the mecenat's family, based above all on similarities in names. By the way the similarity between egyptians rappresantations of šerdan and sardinian bronzette is contested by decades by sardinian archeologists both for warriors and ships.

Interesting literary account of the exploits of the sea people. Homeric perspective is emphasized, while Egyptian records ignored. Viewing the cataclysm of 1177 bc, Ramses II even records the sea people, who were defeated and enslaved, making him a hero all over eastern Mediterranean and the Levant, had a far reaching effect. After the fall of the Harappan civilization, Turks from central Asia entered India and destroyed the imperial Yadava in the Kurukshetra war 1500-1200 bc, under the leadership of the Babylonians and replaced Krishna's Sanatan religion with Hinduism, ushering the era of god Ram (Ramses).

@lysimachosdiadochos7203

3 жыл бұрын

Lol, Turks weren't even around then.

@sonarbangla8711

2 жыл бұрын

@@lysimachosdiadochos7203 Turks originated from central Asia and by 1200 bc they were creating havoc, specially in India.

@lysimachosdiadochos7203

2 жыл бұрын

@@sonarbangla8711 They originated closer to 600ad.

@sonarbangla8711

2 жыл бұрын

@@lysimachosdiadochos7203 What do you mean originated, did they fall from the sky? They were extant even into Mongolia, right up to Iran, with a common language.

Don't you see? Achilles was the Dorian in the story. Achilles was their fate! The Dorian's are the sea people and Achilles foreshadowed their glory.

Lost city of Atlantis is island of Crete and Minoans and mycaeneans were titans to greek

Sorry Nick, this 'Ancient Origins' stuff might be good for boosting your subscriber count, but it's not good history.

Denyen: Danoi/Adana/Dardanians = Dodanim son of Javan (all Greeks), ancestors of east-south italics & Illyrians. Peleset = Philistines, descendents of Lukka/Lycia = Caslukhim, both sons of Mitsrayim (Egyptians). Now, since they were circumcised, they must be descendents of Abraham from Keturah, which were settled by him in colonies, means, Ekwesh = Ishbak? Jokshan? descendents of Midian Tjekker = Dor. Teucrians = another colony of Elisha (Alishya, Cyprus) or Trojan colony of Dodan? Ludim = Lydda+Dor, Canaan. One of the Egyptian nations? The Canaanite Girgashites? Other Midianites? Shekelesh: Siculi = another tribe Dodan, Sicily. Wekshesh, Weshesh = the Midianite Shuakh? Teresh: Tyrrehnians/Etruscans/Tarsus = Tarshish. Sherden: Phoenician or Midianite colony on Sardinia.

I don't even know where to begin. Most of this is typical or orthodox. The only thing "unique" here is an interpretation of the Odyssey and the return as being the activity of the Sea People. However, it's unconvincing and the biggest support is the Cretan lie. That's it. You know, Odysseus traveled and battled everywhere, so whatever, right? In summary, this presentation is 95% typical Wikipedia lectures, and 5% worthy of actual exploration. I hate wasting mytime. 1st 7 minutes of this could have been cut. I certainly would not read a book that is mostly a mere rehash of already understood facts.

The sea people where the sailing people of Jaredites.

He didn't say much. He doesn't know a damn thing

Does this channel have like a religious slant to it? I keep having these weird notions that there is a narrative here.

I learned a lot but this was a dry talk IMO. Seemed really scripted with no passion.

Sea Peoples-Balkan Peoples

Too many self-aggrandizing claims. This video contains less than 5 minutes of actual content. 2 thumbs down.

*the hebrews...were the philistines...* after they sacked jerusalem and took captives to Babylon...

Αγαπητέ κύριε Κουτούπη. Για πρώτη φορά επισκεύτηκα την Πύλο το 1960 σε ηλικία 10 ετών. Ο πατέρας μου τότε είχε εκφράσει την απορία, πώς (?) η Πύλος κατακτήθηκε και πυρπολήθηκε; Όποιος δει την πόλη και το λιμάνι της από κοντά, καταλαβαίνει, πως αυτό ήταν αδύνατον, εκτός και αν οι κατακτητές μπήκαν στην πόλη σαν φίλοι. Δηλαδή σαν παλιοί συμπολεμιστές από την (κοντινή) εποχή του πολέμου της Τροίας. Οι λαοί της θάλασσας έδρασαν μετά τον Τρωικό πόλεμο. Είχαν άμεση σχέση με αυτόν.