Hey, thanks for watching today! Not a sponsored video (forgot to mention that), all tools and materials are my own. Smash that subscribe button to help get the word out! Comment below if you have, or plan to make a torsion box!

@TradeSkillersAnonymous

2 жыл бұрын

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I've been fighting flatness on my workbench for years. Now I'm fighting it on my Onefinity table. I'm going to build two torsion boxes and minimize the problem! Thanks for the great video.

@TradeSkillersAnonymous

Жыл бұрын

Hi James, Torsion boxes are fantastic, best of luck with yours! If you care to, please feel free to subscribe while your here, thanks!

I watch way too much KZread (according to my wife), especially when it comes to woodworking ideas/methods/tools/etc. So far, this guy has consistently hit well above his weight class. No wasted time watching, all good info, ego left aside,...I could go on. I just wish the tool manufacturers could identify and back more than channels like this vs. their current crop. Please keep doing what you're doing!

@TradeSkillersAnonymous

2 жыл бұрын

Hey Jordan, thanks for watching, and your super nice comments! If you care to, please feel free to subscribe to see more and future videos! Thanks again!

@wuj.design

Ай бұрын

Came here to say this (word for word). Really enjoyed this video

Thanks for the tip about setting the table saw fence for the ribs. Looking at several ideas for building a torsion box for my new Onefinity.

@TradeSkillersAnonymous

Жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful Jim! Torsion box has served me well for two years. Thanks for watching and consider subscribing while you’re here if you haven’t. Thanks and have a good one!

I have been on the fence about which way I was going to go for a bench. I really appreciate your informative videos and this one sealed it for me, I’m going to use a torsion box and a Kreg bench for my base, thank you!!

@TradeSkillersAnonymous

Жыл бұрын

Great to hear Ron! I enjoyed making the torsion box and it was an awesome, flat and stable surface for sure.

Great content as usual. Using a piece of scrap to make the "dados" on the end caps to locate the stretchers is an excellent process for a stress free build. One additional thing to look out for is to make sure the table you build the your torsion box on is as flat as possible. The torsion box will conform to the table and will only be as flat as the table is. Ask me how I know. :) If you don't have a flat table you can hot melt glue shims under the legs of a pair of sturdy saw horses to make level and flat and place an mdf sheet on top.

@TradeSkillersAnonymous

Жыл бұрын

Mike, thank you again! Yes I do a lot of furniture making aside from CNC work and relative measuring while the easiest way to make accurate parts, seems to be a simple but lost process. Probably due to over thinking things, or desire to use your (my) super precision marking tools etc. You are 100%correct, if you don’t build the base we’ll, you can definitely pull a torsion box out of plane/flat. Best practice I’ve found is build your base upside down on something flat. Let’s the leg ends run wild so to speak and true the bottoms later. Thank you for your support and comment.

Another super helpful video! Still debating on how I'm going to set up my Onefinity when it arrives. Been looking at Kreg work bench frames and have heard nothing but good things. Will probably start with a torsion box as I design my cabinet enclosure. Really like what you did with the lower storage! Thanks again JR!

@TradeSkillersAnonymous

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Nathan! I’m a firm believer in the torsion box. Appreciate you watching, commenting and subscribing!

super nice video and very informative. Shows the builder is skilled and still reaches the viewers. Got to connect with the viewers

@TradeSkillersAnonymous

2 жыл бұрын

Hey there bob, thanks very much for spending time with me here. Taking the time out to leave your comment means a lot to me. If you haven't yet, would you mind subscribing if you saw some value in what this and my other videos are about? If you have already, then thank you again! All the best!

thanks for the importation , very helpful

@TradeSkillersAnonymous

9 ай бұрын

Glad it was helpful! I invite you to subscribe while you’re here if you like. It’s free and will help my channel reach more people. Thanks and have a great day!

Super super super helpful view on how to do this. I am copying you for my Onefinity table 😄

@TradeSkillersAnonymous

2 жыл бұрын

Glad it helped to see it. It works very well! Best of luck! Consider subscribing so you don’t miss anything!

@terryrandell7263

2 жыл бұрын

@@TradeSkillersAnonymous subscribed and notifications on 😀

I appreciate your detailed video and presentation. You helped me save some money as I was thinking I had to do 3/4 baltic birch and 2x4s.....for my Journeymen setup!

@TradeSkillersAnonymous

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Gary, Thanks for taking the time to view, and comment I really do appreciate it. I'm finding more and more that 1/2" will be more than sufficient, when my old default used to be to make everything out of 3/4". Also, 2x4's would possibly be okay for legs, because if the twist/bow it's unlikely to be enough to pull the torsion box in any direction, but I definitely wouldn't use it *within* the torsion box. Gad to hear it was helpful to see! If you haven't had a chance yet, and are willing, I'd love to ask you to subscribe in order to help me get the word out to more people who might be interested. Thanks again and have a great day!

5 to 6 thousandths! I'm impressed.

@TradeSkillersAnonymous

2 жыл бұрын

Hi joel schwarzbart , appreciate you watching and commenting. Yeah this thing came out super flat. Can’t stress enough cutting all your widths stuff once and just feeling for flush during assembly. Fact is, the glue will also help level the top and bottom I think. If you feel like I've earned it, I'd ask you to hit subscribe while you're here. It'd help me grow my young channel's reach and I'd sure appreciate it! thanks again!

@crazyhank99

2 жыл бұрын

@@TradeSkillersAnonymous Been subscribed for a while.

@TradeSkillersAnonymous

2 жыл бұрын

@@crazyhank99 thanks, I wish there was a way to see that, but thanks for subscribing!

@crazyhank99

2 жыл бұрын

@@TradeSkillersAnonymous It's probably best that publisher's can't see whose subscribed. Clearly there are benefits from having that info, but you can be sure there are creators who would abuse it.

@TradeSkillersAnonymous

2 жыл бұрын

@@crazyhank99 yeah I get that, but I’m not afraid to suggest subscribing in a reply, but it sucks when you ask a subscriber, to subscribe. Makes you fell like a goof

Thanks!

@TradeSkillersAnonymous

Жыл бұрын

Thank you Mike, that’s very kind and I appreciate it!

Ok quick question. Should I cut all the grid parts at the same time? 🤣. Sorry just had to….. seriously when a tip is repeated it shows you care that we understand the importance. Appreciate the great video and have smashed the button! Thanks for taking the time to share this!

@TradeSkillersAnonymous

2 жыл бұрын

OMM, one more thing I'd like to point out....Cut all your final dimensions without moving the.....oh wait, I said that. = ) Funny thing is, that the glue between ribs and the tops and bottoms will likely take out most small deviation, but it really is the best tip I can offer! Thanks, and have a great day!

Thank you for the great video and guide on the table build. Do you have a recommended thickness of the stretchers , how thin can I make it if using 1/2” material? Also is there a recommended grid size?

@TradeSkillersAnonymous

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Jesse, I used 1/2” plywood, and my ribs were 3” tall. I spaced if I remember, something like 11” apart. As for recommendation, I would go larger than 18” grid. Best of luck!

Great video - thank you. Do you find the Kreg bench at all wobbly for your CNC?

@TradeSkillersAnonymous

7 ай бұрын

Hi wagsman, under high speed directional change, there will be a little bit of table movement, but nothing that affects the machine. I wouldn’t call it wobbly. Thanks for watching, and your question, I’d like to invite you to subscribe (it’s free!) while you’re here. Thanks again, and have a great day!

Do those casters affect how sturdy the table is?

@TradeSkillersAnonymous

4 ай бұрын

Hi John, used this kreg table for over a year with casters and had no issues. Thanks for watching and I invite you to subscribe while you’re here. Have a great day!

Great video. What do you think of using MDF rather that baltic birch for the torsion box, or just the ribs and stretchers?

@TradeSkillersAnonymous

Жыл бұрын

I think if you’re in a dry climate, mdf would be a good choice, very stable material unless it’s gets exposed to moisture. Living in Charleston sc meant I’m always dealing with really high humidity, so that’s why I chose plywood. Thanks for watching and your comment. Please consider subscribing while you’re here! Thanks

@stephenhull2203

Жыл бұрын

@@TradeSkillersAnonymous Thank you for your response. We've had more humidity here in Portland, Maine in recent years so plywood it is.

so if we can only get the veneer baltic birch from big box store should we even make this for the CNC in your opinion? When I currently cut my BB plywood on my cnc and try to set the thickness of the material I can get slightly different thickness on each of the sides. I understand your point about cutting all the ribs at once but if the plywood isnt a unfied thickness we are defeating the purpose correct?

@TradeSkillersAnonymous

2 жыл бұрын

For me the answer is yes. All plywood is considered more stable than let’s say 2x4’s, because each layer of plywood is assembled perpendicular to the prior layer, meaning that it’s really not going to expand and contract like regular wood. So, big box store plywood would be fine. The thickness of the plywood really isn’t that important for the ribs, because all the ribs are standing up on end if that makes sense.

Yo quiero uno

@TradeSkillersAnonymous

Жыл бұрын

hola, gracias por mirar y dejar un comentario. estos son geniales! suscríbete al canal mientras estás aquí para ver más si te gusta. qué tengas un lindo día

Curious as to why you no longer use the enclosure you made for it?

@TradeSkillersAnonymous

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Rick, Thanks for taking the time to view, and comment I really do appreciate it. The lack of an enclosure is not long term. I upgraded my machine's capacity in the X dimension, and I had not planned for that when I built my first enclosure, so the upgrade made a new torsion box and enclosure necessary. My 9-5 and other activities have gotten in the way and I just haven't gotten back to it yet unfortunately. Will be in the near future though! If you haven't had a chance yet, and are willing, I'd love to ask you to subscribe in order to help me get the word out to more people who might be interested. Thanks again and have a great day!

Do you clamp the top & bottom glue ups or just let gravity do the work?

@TradeSkillersAnonymous

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Claude, thanks for watching and your question. Once the grid was complete, I just laid the first side on top, and nailed down with 18ga brad nails. Didn’t clamp the top/bottom at all and didn’t have any issues. If you haven’t yet, I’d invite you to subscribe. Thanks and have a great day

Did you level the Kreg bench before you started building your torsion box on top of it? Also, did you check in the middle of the sheet to see if it sagged at all or did you have some ribs added between the rails to prevent that. I see you have the Kreg locking wheels in your bench. When you install those do you lose the ability to adjust the leg height like you can with the standard leveling feet that come with the leg set. If you can't adjust for an uneven floor the wheels do not seem like an option I would want. If you mentioned it in the video I missed it. What is the size table top you ended up making with for the Journeyman? I've heard the minimum needed is 50 x 75 but it looks like you used a single sheet of ply on each face. I thought Baltic Birch ply was supplied in 60x60 inch sheets.

@TradeSkillersAnonymous

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Bob, I did not level the table, as in practice, the table being level or not won’t affect the CNC. Flatness is the key priority. You could have a flat table, that’s at 30 degrees and so long as the machine and spoil board are flat and parallel you’re good to go. The torsion box design has many ribs inside, like an airplane wing so there is lots of support. My maximum surface deviation with a 36” straight edge was .006”, which was removed in the first flattening of the spoilboard. Using the kreg locking wheels did remove the ability to level the kreg base, but being level wasn’t as important as being flat as mentioned above. My tabletop surface is 48x72. Baltic birch is available at true lumber supply houses in both 60x60 or 48x96 formats. There is birch (not Baltic birch) available at the big box stores, but the only part of that plywood that is birch is the very thin veneer, where as Baltic birch is all birch wood, including the inner plys, the big box store birch will commonly have random wood as the core, including pine and far fewer cores.

@bobd.

2 жыл бұрын

I agree that the table surface being flat is more important than being level. The surface can be flat and not be level. I understand how a torsion box is constructed, thanks for the refresher. Maybe level was a poor choice of words. What I was asking is how can you build a flat torsion box if you don't start out building on a flat surface. In most cases establishing a flat surface (considering the tools available to the average woodworker, CNC, or DIY person) is most easily done by making it a level surface. Without leveling capability in the legs how do you compensate for an uneven floor. Your torsion box might be flat but you'll in reality only have three legs making load-bearing contact with the floor. That puts stress on the box and with the weight of the machine plus repeat stress from the CNC as the spindle is moved will over time warp your torsion box. Or do you believe that the box will still be flat a year from now. What is the deviation across the whole 48" width, not some random 36" span, and what about the long 72" dimension or diagonally? Still not sure about your 48" dimension because Onefinity recommends a minimum 72x49" table top, and others have said they went with 75"x50" since they felt the recommended 72"x49" was barely enough.

@TradeSkillersAnonymous

2 жыл бұрын

Bob, Didn’t mean to offend, I built the kreg table upside down, so that the tops of legs and stretchers were as flat as could be. My shop floor, while sloped is reasonably flat. If there was enough deviation in floor flatness, it could create an issue, but while the kreg table legs are strong, there’s still a lot of flex as i think it’s only maybe 1/16” to 3/32” thick. That said, my torsion box is heavy enough I think to flex the base into “flat enough”. I get the point I think your making about using a 36” straight edge, but that’s the longest known straight edge I’ve got. While I do have a 6 foot level, a level wouldn’t be measuring grade for flatness, so 36” was my longest measurable length with any kind of precision. I wanted my torsion box top and bottom to be made from one piece of material, so that’s why it’s the size it is. The machine fits perfectly, although I did reverse the y rails in order to maximize the space. Would’ve fit without doing that, but future plans for an enclosure meant I wanted to tighten things up. As is, I will have to bump out the y dimension of the table when I put an enclosure on. As it happens, I replaced my spoil board yesterday, took two passes @ .010” each to flatten. At the end of the day, compounding the base, torsion box, spoil board and machine, I’m super happy with that.

Hi there, I was reading through your responses and didn't see anyone comment on torsion box vs the onefinity qcw stands they are now selling. I am worried about the rigidity of the stand. What are your thoughts between the stand they are selling and building a kreg/torsion box set up?

@TradeSkillersAnonymous

Жыл бұрын

Hi Jason, if space isn’t an issue, I’d use a torsion box every time. Since making this though, I’ve moved and am sharing an oversized garage with my wife’s car until I build my shop. I’ve also ordered the 48x48 machine with the masso controller so my CNC footprint is about to grow at a time when I can least afford the space. That said, with my new machine I did order the QCW, secured from below stand as it will be more space efficient than my current arrangement. To your question, so long as your rails stay relative to the bed, leg rigidity shouldn’t matter. So long as the machine is “locked” relative to that bed, you could run the machine in a row boat in heavy seas, and get great results.

@jasonbeattie2889

Жыл бұрын

@@TradeSkillersAnonymous Thank you for your quick response! I will stick with my order the way it is. I will hopefully have a decent garage space set up in the spring for my elite machine, but know it will be moving in the next 3 or 4 years. Keeping things mobile will be helpful. I have enjoyed your videos so far. What software are you using for your design work? Vcarve or Carveco? I am just in the library but will listen to your question and answer videos later today.

@TradeSkillersAnonymous

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonbeattie2889 I have used both, but have found a strong preference for vcarve pro. It will be different for everyone, but I found vcarve’s menus and operations to be the most intuitive to the way I think/work if that makes sense. I think they both are very strong in their function, I just prefer vcarve.

What brand/model of monitor are you using on your Onefinity?

@TradeSkillersAnonymous

2 жыл бұрын

Hey there Jack, it’s an Asus 21.5” touch screen. Works great and was simple plug and play

What are the dimensions of one of your ribs? I uderstand it depends on the table size but I was interested in the height of the rib.

@TradeSkillersAnonymous

2 жыл бұрын

I know we've emailed, but in case it helps anyone in the future, the ribs were made 3" tall, so with a 1/2" top and bottom, he torsion box is right at 4" thick when all done. Thanks!

What were the finally dimensions you went with for your torsion table?

@TradeSkillersAnonymous

Жыл бұрын

I want to say something close to 48x72

@swillie88

Жыл бұрын

@@TradeSkillersAnonymous thanks! I have a Journeyman on they way. This looks like the best setup with the kreg base.

@b-radg916

Жыл бұрын

@@TradeSkillersAnonymous : Other than the metal spans from the Kreg, how did you attach and/or support the torsion box to the Kreg? Thanks!

@TradeSkillersAnonymous

Жыл бұрын

@@b-radg916 I really just used two plywood spans each about a third of the way in from the ends. Due to the strength of the torsion box, I’m not really sure they were necessary, but made me feel better having them.

@b-radg916

Жыл бұрын

@@TradeSkillersAnonymous: Wow, thanks!

Can you tell me how much those gray drawers cost? If they are expensive, you can get them from your local US Post office for free!

@TradeSkillersAnonymous

2 жыл бұрын

Hi jessetwo1 , appreciate you watching and commenting. The grey drawer/organizers are called Festool Systainers. They are expensive but I've got a lot of Festool equipment as Im doing my level best to get rid of any Chinese made stuff and the festool stuff works great. If you feel like I've earned it, I'd ask you to hit subscribe while you're here. It'd help me grow my young channel's reach and I'd sure appreciate it! thanks again!

@jessetwo1

2 жыл бұрын

@@TradeSkillersAnonymous thanks

thank you sir

@TradeSkillersAnonymous

3 ай бұрын

Most welcome! Consider subscribing while you're here if you like.