Alexander/Grant, a great show . Lots of games . I am an East front devotee.,Why, because that's where the 2 world war was lost. 70/80percent of German forces ,supplies etc were allocated to that front and the mammoth battles. I am playing Assault Rh41, but have lots of other East front tactical games. A great stream of tactical and operational games. Thanks

I think you guys definitely hit on the appeal. The Eastern Front is the largest military conflict in human history, so I think the scale is a huge part of it, as the scale allows for variety. Also it seems more balanced than a few of the other fronts. The Soviet win doesn't feel as inevitable as D-Day, the Bulge (in which success for Germany is really just delaying the inevitable downfall), etc.

Are you able to go around the theatres? Western Front Mediterranean Africa Pacific (both land and sea)

East Front games have a large variety of troops, of varying quality, many units usually per game, wide open spaces to maneuver and the battles that often were of huge historical significance,. This helps make East Front Games very popular and more games produced than anyone can play or has the space to play in an entire lifetime. Now, I can't wait to play DVG's Stuka Leader. :)

Love your guys' vibe in these discussions, appreciate the content as always.

Guys, you did it again. Superb presentation on a great topic!

More Topic Discussions please :) This is great content...great to here you guys chatting and gets away from the standard wargame channel content :)

I know making videos like this is a big deal but it would be nice to see some images of the games in play or pics of the maps and components when you are talking about them. Just images from BGG or something too. I have bought a lot of games due to your recommendations

Great video guys! I am currently playing Enemy Action: Kharkov but it's my only Eastern Front game. I have read Grant's post and yes I can understand his points. That being said, the solo experience is great (I am a solo wargamer) and the 2P mode is just a nice add-on for me.

The Dark Valley rail head discussion reminded me of SPI's War in the East. It was THE Russian Front 'monster' game of my youth. Bought it when first released. If memory serves there were four or five of us playing off and on (it was college, so there was the distraction of having to go to classes/study/etc). One person's sole purpose was to run Soviet production.

I love your discussion topics and this is my favorite (so far). I'm (semi) new to wargaming and my interest so far is the Eastern Front. There are two major reasons for this. First I'm of Polish descent and second I love history (like most of us) especially European WWII and US Civil War. I become fascinated with the Eastern Front because of the movie Enemy At The Gates. I believe it's the only movie I ever saw twice in the theaters. It is one of my favorite movies of all time. I seem to gravitate to any wargames involving Poland and USSR both WWII or Cold War. Thanks again for your channel.

East Front games are my favorite. I own way too many strategic east front games alone. It started with AH Russian Front in the early nineties and to that i added over the years: Thunder in the east (VPG), The dark valley (GMT), Absolute War (GMT), Stalin`s War (GMT), The Russian Campaign (GMT), Russia Besieged (Compass), EastFront (Columbia Games) and i don`t think those will be all. :D

"It was a quarter of the year" "It was great" "It was terrible!" Lol, you guys are great! I love watching your vids! Your friendship for one another shines through, and that makes your videos a joy to watch! Cheers! 🍻

This was a very useful vid for me personally.

Love you stuff fellahs. Be great during you reviews if you could share maps/ counters/ rules so we can see what the inside of the box looks like?

I like to play East Front games because you normally have much space for Panzer maneuvers encircling a big number of enemy troops. Whatever side you play it is often a game of quantity against quality. Squad Leader was my first game in the 80ies and I loved to play Turning Point: Stalingrad, A Victory Lost/Denied (Awaits still waits to come on my table) and my latest games are Donnerschlag and Russian Campaign, 5th Ed. I was so fascinated by the East Front feeling of No Retreat that I even made my own deck of high quality cards in my German language with historical photos and many icons. WHAT a great game! 😊 I had sooo many hours fun and excitement playing East Front Games, but you never have to forget that war is one of the worst things on this planet.

Like you two I've never been that fond of East front games for the half and half nature of the strategic & operational levels that you mentioned. The focused tactical level is where it shines for me (battalion/platoon/squad). Lock n load Tacticals stuff is always good (such as motherland). I'm a big fan of Avalanches Press' Panzer Grenadier system, not just for East Front. Their EF games such as Broken Axis, Fire in the Steppe and Kursk South Flank have been really engaging and well structures, especially with their "battle games" setups. That scale really allows for meaty offensives and plenty of units to push around helped by the alternating player activations. Their later games (post 2010 with 4th edition rules) are worth checking out, less so East Front Deluxe or Road to Berlin (very hit and miss designs). They're not the prettiest but I have a blast playing them. My last East Front suggestion is Heroes of Stalingrad from Devil Pig, that system is just plain fun. They're about to do their Pacific KS soon too and I can't wait. And their Caen stuff is finally being delivered so I can get some bigger multiplayer games to the table soon 🤞

Hey when are you guys gonna do a play/review/discussion of ASL Starter Kit series?!? i’m highly anticipating it!

@ThePlayersAid

Жыл бұрын

It's still gonna be a bit, bit hopefully we'll have something at least in 2023.

I have played and still have the '77 version of The Russian Campaign - played by snail mail way back then. Sure there are periods when one side is beating the tar out of the other - but initially, the Russian is trying to survive until things sway their way. Playing good defense by utilizing rivers and cities - and trading space for time in the right places at the right times is a challenge in its own right.Then the tide turns, and the roles are switched. Have the new GMT version (w/ mounted maps) and need to investigate play by email or some such other remote play (for huge map games, VASSAL is not all that enjoyable (for me) as it is quite the effort to examine the full map and understand where opportunities exist .... Enjoyed this special edition....

Panzer Battles and Autumn for Barbarossa are an absolute blast! You will love them if you like Rostov 41.

I don't play hex and counter games so much, but I play a lot of Eastern Front miniature wargames, and always have done since I started wargaming some thirty plus years ago. It's the scope of the actions that appeals, along with the 'alien' feel to someone from Britain not only of the size and scale of the fighting but the nations involved. What other theatre of World War Two can you have Germans, Spanish, Italians, Romanians, Slovaks, Hungarians and more on the tabletop, fighting in dense urban environments and open steppes?

I like Conflict of Heroes so much I got two boxes of each title! I play all with 3rd edition rules.

I have to go back to Awakening the Bear solo…tried early on and was a lot to work through but have done a lot more hex and counter since then.

I agree with Alexander's scale argument. If wargames are about movement through geography; then the varied ways that one theater of the war can be displayed is a significant aspect of play. The grand strategic scale can be displayed on a one map format such as the Russian Front or a multi box monster series such as the GMT Barbarossa series with 8 game boxes and 28 maps. There are also many games on the pivotal battles of Stalingrad and Kursk. Though the human cost of this part of the conflict of WW2 is incalculable and perhaps the most tragic in history, it can be stated that if 'War is hell', as Sherman said; then who best to both cause and contest this hellscape then those two demons Hitler and Stalin.

@charleslatora5750

Жыл бұрын

True. Oh so true.

I think the East front is wargamed a lot also because it was almost "fair" and it is the classic quality vs quantity

I know TPA fellas weren't super keen on the 2 player implementation, but I can't speak highly enough for Enemy Action: Kharkov for solo play. It's a brilliant design with plenty of crunch and a ton of replayability.

Great video and topic. I just wish you would show the backs of the boxes more so we can see more of the game. I see you guys looking at the backs of the boxes and components now and then. If it's interesting enough for you to look at, it's likely of interest to viewers as well.

AGC is very well done, great maps, well written rules. The learning scenarios ease you into the game very well. Get a friend to help you clip unless you want a repetitive stress injury. I though TDV was more intimidating in the sheer # of exceptions and tweaks to the rules over the course of the game (but that’s understandable since you simulating four years of warfare). AGC was much less demanding IMO. If you love TDV, AGC will be a joy. Heck, I found Stalingrad 42 to be more complex than AGC (and AGC is not simple, just very well done).

I’ve got more EF games than any other. Part is the offering: there’s so many. Quality: many are done really well. Significance: the war ultimately was won or lost there. Scale: combined arms at the greatest scale ever seen. Story: it doesn’t get more compelling than that. I think, ultimately, what makes it the most popular is it fits, at the most basic level, what we think generals do: push troops around a map and outmaneuver the enemy. It doesn’t have the mind numbing complexity of a major air/naval/amphibious offensive a la EoTS or the teeth gnashing reversals of COIN.

@phd_angel4192

3 ай бұрын

What is the best EF game in your opinion? I'd love to hear it. Thank you.

Completely agree on your choices especially OST & Kursk/Platoon commander. If you ever get a chance try Band of Brothers series especially Ghost Panzer for realistic suppression, maneuver & assault realistic combat (4 f's). Another great series.

@RottenJeeves

Жыл бұрын

I prefer Screaming Eagles. Ghost Panzer adds too many tanks which is the weaker aspect of the series. Just my opinion of course.

@raymow9683

Жыл бұрын

Completely understandable. This system allows for choice / preferences.

I’ve never notice this before and now it’s all I can see… the wings on the green airborne counter are not centered on your logo. Now it’s all I can notice 😂😂😂😂 damn my OCD

My favourite East Front game is Nevsky. Ha. Only 700 years early for this discussion. I'm not really a wargamer, I've played just a handful, but I still enjoy listening to you guys.

@ThePlayersAid

Жыл бұрын

Lol, Nevksy is a great East Front Strategic game! Glad you like the show.

Eastern Front games are my favorite because the war was won, or lost depending on your point of view, on the Eastern Front. The scale is epic compared to any other front/theater. I know you guys are board gamers, as am I, but my all time favorite Eastern Front game has to be Gary Grigsby's War in the East II computer game.

East Front WWII games are extremely popular because: 1) It's the titanic struggle of the two biggest wartime armies in history 2) It's the most significant front of the most-discussed war in history 3) There is rapid troop movement involved at times, unlike the largely static WWI conflict 4) The two sides are vastly different, with the Nazis having the qualitative edge (in the first part of the war at least) and the Soviets having the quantity 5) It's the conflict that history hinged upon, and could have turned out much differently 6) There are so many factors in the conflict, including weather and supply 7) There are political and economic factors involved in the long struggle (eg the oil fields) 8) It's a bit of a "puzzle" to be studied in "what if" terms. 9) Air, artillery, tanks, infantry, fortifications, supply - it was all part of this massive puzzle.

Timely subject matter, with the new Russian Campaign showing up at my house today. This also makes me want to check out the SCS system. And hopefully the P500 for the next edition of No Retreat Russian Front gets a bump from this.

My favorite ww2 fronts to game: 1. North Africa (colorful characters and units, love the desert conditions, supply conditions) 2. tie Eastern front (massive scope, great variety) 2. tie Western Front(interesting variety)

I'm a fan of East Front games because I like the race aspect, where you have to reach certain objectives in a specific period of time in order to win. There are West Front games that give me that same vibe -- Holland '44 for example. As for my favorite East Front games, I'd definitely put A Victory Awaits, Stalingrad '42, Rostov '41, and The Dark Valley on the list. Others you may want to check out are The Russian Campaign (GMT just released the deluxe 5th edition) and Thunder in the East from Victory Point Games. VPG went out of business, but you can still get it from GMT. But perhaps my all-time favorite East Front game is Avalon Hill's Russian Front. It's been out of print forever, obviously, but there's a company (I can't recall the name) that I ordered an updated map, rules, and counters from.

Demyansk Shield is indeed a great game on an interesting battle.

I became obsessed by Russia/ the eastern front since reading about Stalingrad as a kid (a common occurrence I think). I’ve also lived in Riga and Tashkent. So it just means more to me than other topics. I’m not a Yank so ACW or other American subjects are not on my radar (I’ll play them if my partners want to, but I own very few). You’ve played a lot more tactical games than me, but I’d suggest Fighting Formations. I’ve recently played it and enjoyed it a lot despite getting thumped. I love the EFS Barbarossa series. Yes it’s very big, but there are small scenarios, so get it on the table. Personally I prefer it to OCS, although that has its moments. Games you haven’t mentioned, that I’d recommend, are Greg Blanchett’s Fall Blau/ Kharkov Battles. Huge maps, but plenty of one map scenarios. Elegant and simple system, huge fun for both players. And Thunder in the east. It is beginning to edge out Dark Valley as my favourite strategic eastern front game. Captures the ebb and flow better, I think. Unfortunately it has a lot of post production tinkering so it’s not too clear what rules to use. Get that agreed, then just play it. It’s as big as Dark Valley though.

Both Conflict of Heroes are in their 3rd edition now.

Currently enjoying Undaunted Stalingrad! Never been as excited to get the game back on the table.

@lavenderseedandworms

Жыл бұрын

That one has my attention. Shut Up & Sit Down raved about it. I'm waiting for Alexander and Grant to review it.

@grantkleinhenz6789

Жыл бұрын

We have played a total of 3 scenarios and absolutely love it! We have enjoyed the Undaunted Series but this one ratchets it up a bit and gives it that gritty, Stalingrad attritional feel. We each have a squad at this point (my B squad and Alexanders A squad that has multiple replacements) that is decimated and will not be great in future scenarios!

@juliangabrielsantos9224

Жыл бұрын

@@grantkleinhenz6789 Can't wait for your video review! I hope it's coming soon!

@grantkleinhenz6789

Жыл бұрын

@@juliangabrielsantos9224 We also shot a playthrough of scenario #1.

I'd say east front is popular because both sides can strategize and viably attack, with enough space for their grand manoeuvres and not hamstrung too much on terrain. Combine that with very asymmetric forces (quantity+supply vs quality+mobility) and a variety of different battles, vehicles-types and units (and countries), it probably has a slight edge from a pure strategy gamer-perspective on say either the desert campaigns or the Bulge, the latter being hamstrung with little unit variety and one side forced to deal with no reinforcement or supplies. Many operational gamers though ultimately prefer the desert theatre because the problem with 1941/Barbarossa is it's make-or-break by Dec and so many op-level East Front games don't bother going past Stalingrad. Like Waterloo games, it's somewhat irritating when an opponent resigns after either failing well before Moscow or are nowhere close to pushing back the British, knowing (ahistorically) that the Prussians are entering shortly. Both sides are 'even' though. Where a game is boring is that one side cannot attack and just has to defend. As such, there are few Agincourt, Poland 39, France 40, Yugoslavia 41 Italy 44-45, 6-Day war 67 (A-I wargames are usually always Yom Kippur 73), Kuwait 91, etc. Even with D-Day, every designer feels they need to cover the campaign, but the Axis player ultimately has very limited options. Also despite the Siege of Petersburg being one of the deadliest campaigns in the ACW, I cannot think of a single game modelling it.

STOP! STOP! Oh, for heaven's sake stop already! I just bought another three bookcases, to add to the five I already have to store your game suggestions, and they are already full, and now you want me to take on the Eastern Front of WWII...Dark Valley (railroads for supply...you say), and of course I must get the Stalingrad 42 Expansion to complete the series. Some 500 war games in and half still unplayed! My new sentiment of prayer, Oh, Lord let me live just long enough to play all my unplayed games...at least once. I called the addiction hot line for help and the counselor personally recommended Undaunted's Stalingrad and to try to avoid watching any of your past game reviews. I think I will go with more bookcases and a room add-on instead.

Can't decide between Donnerschlag and Stalingrad '42. But I'm probably gonna get Holland '44 from the same system so I guess Donnerschlag would give me some variety.

@andrewfurst5711

Жыл бұрын

Those are two very different games though. Stalingrad '42 in the "campaign game" covers all of Fall Blau (Case Blue), the German summer offensive meant to take and defend the Caucasus oil fields (Stalingrad became an unintended side-show of that campaign). Donnerschlag only covers the attempt to rescue the German 6th Army, by breaking into the surrounding Soviet encirclement that had been formed at Stalingrad. Stalingrad '42 if/when reprinted will include the Winter Storm/Little Saturn scenario (originally sold as an add-on), which was the German plan to rescue the trapped 6th Army. But Donnershlag presents that same scenario with much more granularity (Stalingrad '42 is 10 miles per hex while Donnershlag is 2.5 miles per hex, also Stalingrad '42 has turns of 3-7 days while Donnerschlag turns are 1-2 days). Stalingrad '42 in addition to the campaign game has other scenarios, such as one for Operation Uranus (the Soviet operation where the Germans become surrounded at Stalingrad), and a Caucasus/oil specific scenario. interestingly, Donnerschlag means "Thunderbolt", which seems to be a reference to the German Operation "Winter Thunderstorm" to relieve the Stalingrad pocket (usually translated into English as just "Winter Storm"). I have no idea as to which game of these two would be "better" for you, though you do get "more game" with Stalingrad '42 (however the gaming experience itself might be more interesting with Donnershlag, less table space required, etc. - just depends on what you want personally). Since you are interested in Holland '44 and possibly Stalingrad '42, you should know that both games are technically out of print, but up for reprint by GMT. Visit the GMT website and they have the P500 program for both games, where you can get a hefty pre-publication discount, but realize that you'll additionally have to pay shipping which is not cheap (for myself in the Midwest either game would cost $14 shipping). Although they currently say that neither game has met the pre-order quota for reprint, I suspect that both will be reprinted eventually - but it could be a long wait (many months at least).

@hankczinaski915

Жыл бұрын

@@andrewfurst5711 Thanks for the advice! I did buy Donnerschlag once I found out those two are out of print. I would still love to get Stalingrad and Holland once they are back in stock. Market-Garden is just fascinating, my favourite battle of West Front, and Stalingrad '42, like you mentioned, would be a different experience than Donnerschlag.

Don't forget about Pavlovs House. I know ACW games don't sweeten your tea, but that would be a good topic for a similar video.

My first game was Panzer Blitz. Did this one game influence me for the last 40 year? Definitely. The expanse of the battlefield is overwhelming. I don't have a hard count of all my World War 2 games but I am pretty sure the highest percentage would be east front.

@charleslatora5750

Жыл бұрын

Got Revolution's Across the Narva on the table right now.

Great video, did you played some simpler games like Pavlov's house or Stalingrad Undaunted?

I'm liking this focused topic format btw. Donnerslag sounds interesting and I didn't realise SCS was so simple a ruleset (from how you described it). I've always viewed MMP products with the idea that they're all as convoluted as ASL or OCS. I might see if I can get a cheap copy of one and get it to the table. Wouldn't mind trying Rock of the Marne perhaps. An ancients focus topic would be appreciated, of all the settings out there I find that one the most impenetrable. I've only played C&C Ancients and whilst I enjoy it I've no idea what to try beyond it. I'm more at home with gunpowder in my games.

@ThePlayersAid

Жыл бұрын

Rock of the Marne might be one of the few I would suggest to not be your first, it's high counter density and a bit of a battle line slog.

@picton101

Жыл бұрын

Sods law that's the one I'd be interested in isn't it?! 🤦‍♂️ Thanks for the heads up. It's academic anyway, Warlord Games over here in the UK are putting up their new Pike and Shotte epic battles stuff that I literally just heard about 2 hours ago so no SCS for me for a long while. It'll be tiny sprawling English Civil War armies for the time being 😂

@ThePlayersAid

Жыл бұрын

@@picton101 desperately trying not to get the pike & shot. I haven't even finished my waterloo!

@picton101

Жыл бұрын

@@ThePlayersAid I avoided waterloo because I knew no matter how much I bought it would never be enough as I love HUGE Napoleonic battles (blame that 1970 Waterloo film!) 😂 17th century battles don't exist within that part of my brain thankfully. Although I've just punched the new M&P TACW/SFO from GMT and seeing the sheer number of counters may change that!

Ok, I take the bait. I have played many Eastern Front game, but if I had to take one on a desert island, it would be Holdfast 1941. It does the Eastern Front, easily, simply and nearly gives you the full experience.

The spent die and clumsy hide mechanics (pen & paper) ruined Conflict of Heroes for me and my friend. One time I won a scenario before it even got properly started because of a crazy streak of good spent die rolls. It's not fun to get totally screwed by the spent checks either. It's not a proper, exciting fight if one side wins/loses because of that.

Dark Valley is a good game if you know its strictly a solo or play-by-email game. Otherwise avoid it as there are huge downtimes for the opposite player in all campaigns except Kursk. I played this at a convention and literally did nothing for hours.

How about 'Jaws of Victory' (2022), the even bigger 'Korsun Pocket II' (2023), 'Thunder in the East' and 'Holdfast' (block game).

@ThePlayersAid

Жыл бұрын

Funny, I was just looking at that one over the weekend.. 😅

Absolute War GMT is frustratingly fun. Orders from above (via card objectives for points positive and negative) put a wrench in players overall plans where you need to, for example, secure the southern front, but the command wants a specific offensive in the north that eats up all of your resources. The political influence is very apparent in this one.

Still waiting on a solo expansion for storms of steel 🙏🙏🙏

Hi, you missed a key classic game: The Russian Campaign DeLuxe. This one, Dark Valley, and A Victory Awaits (AVA) seem to be the top three EF games as of mid 2020s. My only criticism is EF games seem very similar. Though visually appealing, AVA seems vanilla in terms of its bare simplicity?... What's the best and most comprehensive game for solo playing please?

@ThePlayersAid

2 ай бұрын

Of those, I think that The Dark Valley is the most comprehensive, and lends itself well to solo play (chit pull etc).

Think my interest in the Eastern Front goes back to the seventies when used to make up Model tanks with my brother. He made the British and American ones, I did the Russians and Germans. We also made planes and ships but the Tanks were the main thing. We went from that into war gaming, and if you war game you read a lot that said we did Napoleonic's, Ancients, Modern (WW II), and Sci Fi (before WH40K). I drifted into board games so could be interested in almost any Historical period for a month or so. When Squad Leader came out in 1978 well that was mostly Eastern Front, until it started to cover everything from the Spanish Civil War all the way up to Vietnam. I guess you play what you can find an opponent for and if it doesn't interest you move on. Same goes for reading in that you read about stuff you find interesting and to a lesser extent can talk to others about. The one thing I've learned though is to listen to what others have to say about their choices. There's all sorts of stuff out there I'll never have the time to play but to hear about it is fascinating.

WW2 was the last big war in Europe before Ukraine... So for Europeans it is kind of a big one. Oh and it is the biggest theatre of war yet with millions of soldiers, many tanks and planes etc. I understand Americans are less into this theatre as it does not involve the US but.. if one is intereted in WW2 the deciding biggest front is not a hard sale to make. I agree about it has to be a good game though as there are so many to choose from and from huge startegy to tactitcal skirmish :)

Best thing about East Front games is both sides get to attack and defend...Best East Front wargame? Russia Beseiged 3rd Ed.

I play them, but I'm really not a fan of the setting. I feel it was under represented compared to the d day and Western front/Pacific in movies and games back in the day. Then everyone started doing eastern front everything. It usually involves cold weather, attrition and miserable landscape. I prefer the greenery of Western front setting and Pacific. I know it was hell no matter where but I just prefer british/American Australia vs Germans/Japanese/Italian you know... Its more my history, my grandparents fought in ww2. Grandad was a desert rat tank driver with the black watch. Other grandad was in the royal airforce as a signaller in Europe. Gimme western everytime. Although I own alot of Eastern front its just not my fave.

Your reviews could have been "a hell of a lot worse than this one." Good job!

Since half of the casualties in the entire war occurred on the east front, it kind of makes sense it would have a decent share of the games.

If you have ASL, why would you bother buying these other tactical games?

GUYS! You didn't play PANZERBLITZ ? The grandfather East Front games... every played AH's RUSSIAN CAMPAIGN or STALINGRAD

Hey guys, great video, once again! Just one remark: East front is not only about the Russian. Belarusians, Baltics, Ukrainians got killed more in proportion than the Russians. The USSR was an empire, not only Russia. (and will you play ASL one day? I've seen it in Alexander shelves ;-) )

@ThePlayersAid

Жыл бұрын

ASL probably not for a while. Currently Alexander is learning ASLSK though.

Wasn't Dubno 1941 the largest tank battle in history? Also Soviets were way ahead of Germans in Deep Battle and combined arms operations. Problem Stalin killed off the field grade officers who came up with and designed this doctrine. The Germans learned from the Soviets in the early 30s at the Saratov tank grounds. Way too many choices of great games!

OK you're both far gone "There are cardbord ski units which get to ski on cardbord snow .. its so cool" LOL "ONE OF US" "ONE OF US"

Eastern Front games can be rough. A lot of other games have the dichotomy of 'good guys vs bad guys', for lack of a better descriptor. Eastern Front doesn't have this at all. If it's a barrier at all, it's probably less of one for wargamers. It's also just such a snowy, gray, smoky, barren setting, which can be hard for some, but at least there's built in immersion! The CoH series is great, especially 2nd ed. Presentation, balance between crunch and accessibility, time sink, the amount of game in the box, all wins. Heroes of Stalingrad is worth a look if you can get it. Yeah, it's Heroes of Normandie/Blackreach/Soon to be Pacific, so it treads familiar ground. However, the focus on urban combat and how it affects the structures is a neat angle.

No Undaunted Stalingrad? Maybe you don't consider it a wargame, since it isn't hex and counter (or is it? The spaces in the game are all connected to 6 other spaces except on the edges, so...hexes?) I do think the games you chose are excellent, and I'm a hex and counter grog from the 70s who's played War in the East and Drang Nach Osten.

@ThePlayersAid

Жыл бұрын

We recorded this back before Christmas before we had undaunted Stalingrad.

@EricTheMadviking

Жыл бұрын

@@ThePlayersAid It's pretty easy to forget that these videos take time and hard work to produce. I really enjoy your channel and think you do a great job. I therefore retract my complaint without reservation.

Ugh…your first video that disappointed me. There are so many classics on this topic and your list had zero of them. I understand you haven’t played these older games but it made your list look silly. No The Russian Campaign from Avalon Hill? Squad Leader? Panzer Blitz?

@ThePlayersAid

Жыл бұрын

Can’t add them to the video if we haven’t played them. Sorry.

OK... let's get to it! East Front games are clearly popular for AT LEAST 2 reasons... the first being that NOBODY LIKES either the Germans OR the Russians! It's like the Iraqi and Iranian war... two nasty bad guys taking it out on one another... IF everyone dies... so what? Second... you can just be vicious as you like... blow everything up... GLOVES OFF! It DOES create interesting scenarios and the geography can be wide open for overruns... strafing runs, and close assault attacks.

My recent frustration has been in trying to find an eastern-front SOLO game that lets me play the SOVIET side. I'm starting to feel like there's some kind of stigma attached to wanting to fight the Germans, rather than play them.

Love these recap videos, but there is Absolutely NO WAY you will ever get to ALL the games you talk about, just not possible in the time humans have on earth.