Me: "Hey, Stype is talking about Aussie cars. Cool." Stype: Calls a ute a truck. Me: "You have insulted me, my people and my culture."

@eggstudios4985

Жыл бұрын

he also called the maloo the malu

@egg0534

Жыл бұрын

@@eggstudios4985 Isn't it how you say Maloo?

@eggstudios4985

Жыл бұрын

@@egg0534 yes but it is spelt in the video on the bottom i forgor the correct name the 'malu' when it is the HSV Maloo

@bismayparida2115

Жыл бұрын

@@eggstudios4985 it is pronounced - "MUHLOOO"... get it?

@eggstudios4985

Жыл бұрын

@@bismayparida2115 yes I know

Stype editor need a raise, because he always make the videos entertaining

@b07skp

Жыл бұрын

stype edits the video himself i think.

@TopCarsTV

Жыл бұрын

That's right

@mohammadmohammad1118

Жыл бұрын

@@TopCarsTV where is suzuki jimny for usa

@poppachoppa8956

Жыл бұрын

@@TopCarsTV lmao he said “oh yeah I do need a raise”

@gvphdYT

Жыл бұрын

Give a like and share.. that’s the easiest way to support this guy. Turtle head did it for me. 😂

the problem with the Blackwing would be that due to EU regulations it would get quieter and would cost significantly more. And Germans being Germans generally prefer german cars.... with the Phideon is the same story (it would also be more expensive to sell it outside China) and VWs image in China is way diffrent than in the rest of the World, its seen as luxurious there.

@LyrischerLucas

14 күн бұрын

A Mustang in Germany (V8 Model) will cost you about 50% more, than in the US. So the Cadillac will sell for about 120k here in Europe. The M5 starts at 105k here. So you‘re right. The price-advantage you get with american cars in the US doesn’t really transfer to the EU, cause the taxes that make European cars expensive in the US apply to American cars over-here.

hi, austrian here. although for italy your arguments about kei cars might be true, i can tell you that at least for austria, germany and many other surrounding countries things like the size don't really matter. For example, even in cities like vienna, a kei car can't fit in places cars like the fiat panda or vw polo can't fit in. It's mostly about the price and fuel economy here and because of the weird shape/proportions, kei cars have such high aerodynamic drag that their smaller size doesn't make them better on gas than a normal european compact. Also they would cost about the same as a entry level compact here if you add the local, in most cases really high, taxes and import fees. Add to that that most people here are really stubborn concerning non european car manufacturers and you can see that they wouldn't work here.

@hk20000

Жыл бұрын

You say that but did you see modern kei car fuel economy numbers? They best the Prius at their own game and they churn out 28 to 30km to a litre of petrol.... That is a number the panda and polo can't even dream to manage. However in practice the kei class of cars actually will fail many euro ncap safety tests so....there is that one for ya.

@adrianzanoli

Жыл бұрын

@@hk20000 under 80-100km/h aerodynamic doesn't matter much, especially if the size is so small... And nobody will ever drive a kei car (or a Panda) on an Autobhan. In the city, the engine and weight are the only things that matter regarding the fuel consumption. The kei cars would need to be mass produced locally, bcs right now they would be very expensive compared to the already mass produced Panda, given the low volume of production and import fees.

@hk20000

Жыл бұрын

@@adrianzanoli too bad it's post-brexit and Honda UK can't just make you a couple hundred thousands of them. In the city, the Kei is gonna eat the panda fuel consumption for breakfast.

@flopjul3022

Жыл бұрын

@@adrianzanoli but people do drive Panda's on highways, its just that Kei cars arent much needed since their european counterparts are doing good

@adrianzanoli

Жыл бұрын

@@flopjul3022 I have a 2017 Panda, it's terrible on highways, a lot of noise, high revs and bad fuel consumption, even more modern citycars (i also have a Hyundai i10) can drive on highways, but it's usually a bad and slow experience. Kei cars and citycars should have 100+ hp in order to become usefull outside the cities, and have better anti-noise protection... Thus being heavier. This would make them "less citycar".

The fact that Cadillac black wing is faster than m5 cs in race track is kinda crazy for that cheap price

@theaverageenjoyer9364

Жыл бұрын

On the track too? What are there times and what track? Really curious :o If they really are.. then we HAVE to import them and take em to the Ring.

@chiggamanchild

Жыл бұрын

@@theaverageenjoyer9364 “lap times don’t matter, they’re just a marketing tactic”

@Corvolet5

Жыл бұрын

@@theaverageenjoyer9364 CT5V is slightly faster on VIR and Willow Springs. The CS is faster on Motortrend Figure-8 by 0.2 seconds.

@theaverageenjoyer9364

Жыл бұрын

@@chiggamanchild maybe not for you but for me (F1 Fan) they are pretty important 😂

@LotsOfToubleUsuallySerious

19 күн бұрын

USA: Muscle cars are cheap Me, a brazilian: 🫠

Stype hands down has to make some of the most entertaining car videos

That last example (BMW) just shows perfectly why big corporations are just so out of touch with the real world. The people who make the decisions don't listen or care about their customers and with all their experience and education still decided to try and sell manual cars to customer base who couldn't care less about stick shift. And then there are those who would prefer manual shift because its more fun even though it may be slower (in gear changes) but can't buy it because those in charge decided against their wishes. Anyway, rant over. Great video again, worth the wait for the humour 😀

@genlus_s

Жыл бұрын

Some corporations are worse than others, but overall... Facts, that's just facts. There is some sights that some corporations are starting to kinda listen, but it's still so far from how things should be, that its just unreal. Anyways, we can just dream.

especially as a person who lives in Australia right now, the Maloo going away is quite sad. One of the best cars that never got to see the American light of the day

@mrsandman2185

Жыл бұрын

Bar the several odd grey imports.

@excalibur2038

Жыл бұрын

@@mrsandman2185 Florida

@ralphharrison6622

Жыл бұрын

i had 2 79 el caminos here in ny, loved both of them. that maloo would be awesome to own

@liuzeta9406

Жыл бұрын

@@ralphharrison6622 well they're pretty common in australia so why not come on over! (jk of course)

@ralphharrison6622

Жыл бұрын

@@liuzeta9406 with snow on its way, id love to, hahaha....jk, i dont do so well with heat.

CT5 is such an underrated car glad it gets some attention now...

HSV Maloo UTE was also released as Chevrolet Lumina SS UTE in South Africa. It's the same car based on the Commodore in Australia with different badges and headlights. I have also noticed Lumina name was given to an entirely different model for the US market and the US Lumina model was discontinued around 2001.

@anonymuswere

Жыл бұрын

the US market Lumina name was slapped on a huge awkwardly styled saloon, and an even more awkwardly styled MPV, and appeared during the emission strangled slushbox era right at the start of the "curvy cars" theme...and the whole of the mid eighties to today permanently tainted the american taste for anything curvy that isn't a corvette.

I think Kei cars should have a target here in Brazil as well! Some streets are really tiny, and some roads even more bumpy and uncomfortable. And because they're practical, it could be a hit here with the right prices!

@SayAhh

Жыл бұрын

I'm guessing they might also work in India and a few other countries, but don't know if they can make them affordable enough and still be profitable.

@c63w204W

20 күн бұрын

@@SayAhh Similar cars are sold and widely popular in India, nameplates like Alto and WagonR are still strong names in the market.

@alexsaffamerica

18 күн бұрын

Not to mention that Brazil has a lot of Japanese immigrants, so there could've been a stronger JDM influence.

for the last one, BMW sells M4 and M3 with manual gearbox, but the manual ones are like the 5% of the market. That's because in Europe the manual is the "everyday gearbox" and the auto/dual-clutch is the "sporty one", while in the US the auto is for everyday and the manual is sporty.

@gabrielefinii

Жыл бұрын

and (as an Italian) I would give this to America cause manual gives back more sensations and emotion

I don't agree on the Phideon. Sedans are not really popular anymore, the Phideon (which I love) would only sell if it was a Wagon. As a real A6 alternative, because pretty much every A6 here in Germany and Europe at large is a wagon. The Cadillac CT5-V BW is great though and I would have liked to see them bring it here to the European market. Not that it could really compete with the M5 and E63 in terms of sales, and definitely not with the M5 CS or GT 63 in terms of performance, but it would be a nice boutique option for people that want something special. Similar to why the A110 and Giulia Quadrifoglio compete with the Cayman and M3/C63. A car I would have added would be the Mercedes X-Class and VW Amarok. The X-Class was a Mercedes Pickup based on a Nissan while the Amarok was all VW and had a V6 TDI (the Amarok also looked very nice in my opinion). The X-Class was canceled and the new Amarok is based on the Ford Ranger. If Mercedes would have offered the X-Class in the US I could have seen it being much more successful. While the Amarok would have been great with a dedicated off-road trim similar to a Tacoma TRD pro. Although, if I was Mercedes I would have built a Pickup on the basis of the G-Class, which would be a great template for that. Offering an off road performance luxury pickup. Something like G63 with a bed and offroady tires. It would have sold like hot cakes with many people being willing to spend well above 100K on a Pickup in the US.

@mrmckleinstein3677

Жыл бұрын

the problem with the Blackwing would be that due to EU regulations it would get quieter and would cost significantly more. And Germans being Germans generally prefer german cars.... with the Phideon is the same story (it would also be more expensive to sell it outside China) and VWs image in China is way diffrent than in the rest of the World, its seen as luxurious there.

@devlintaylor9520

Жыл бұрын

The small trucks like the Ranger and Tacoma only sell well in the us because they are an established model from those brands. Most people wouldn't go to Mercedes or VW for a truck, especially not a more niche small truck.

@krthecarguy5150

Жыл бұрын

@@devlintaylor9520 The Amarok used to be as big and as powerful as the F-150. They only shrunk it down for this generation

@devlintaylor9520

Жыл бұрын

@@krthecarguy5150 The amarok is made to compete against the ranger and chevy colorado. Its nowhere near f150 size

@krthecarguy5150

Жыл бұрын

@@devlintaylor9520The new one is. The first generation was longer than an F-150 of the same year (232 vs 213 Inch) and wider (79.5 vs 78.9 Inch)

I own a Kei car in Europe, and I love every sinlge bit of it.

Add a third pedal and a stick shift, here in the US, you could leave the keys in the car with it running come back an hour latter and it wouldn't be touched. Greatest theft protection you can buy.

@woxyroxme

11 ай бұрын

That is why I have one

As a European, we do not have Kei cars because we have light cuadricycles from brands like Aixam. They are even smaller and pay even less taxes. *Those* are the perfect ones for inner city driving.

@Skilan506

Жыл бұрын

I just googled it and I have never seen anything like that even though I live in Munich, Germany.

@pandamilkshake

Жыл бұрын

@@Skilan506 They are very common in Spain, France, Italy etc. Needless to say they have insane fuel economy. 5 bucks of diesel lasts my girlfriend about a week and she uses the car every single day to go to and from work.

@rohitchandran4471

Ай бұрын

Well, the main reason Kei cars are not sold in Europe is that in the 80s, they banned Japanese companies from selling on their turf, and after problems like that, they would not risk selling Kei cars now as they would endanger local car companies like Fiat and eat into their profit, which they would not like and it would be 80s all over again

they used to sell a lot of kei vans in Europe, they had the engines replaced with something bigger but otherwise the same, the reason they don't sell them anymore is they did not meet the crash safety regulations... Besides they were too slow, people casually drive at 140-160kph outside city.

@BillLaBrie

Жыл бұрын

True, though I did pass a couple on the autobahn doing in a Sambar with a camper conversion. Minimum speed on the autobahn is 60 Kph, and that’s about what they were doing.

I watched the full ad to support stype 😂😂

1:30 Kei Cars 2:48 HSV Maloo 4:17 VW Phideon 5:33 Cadillac CT5-V Blackwing 6:55 Honda E 8:25 Subaru WRX 9:58 BMW M5 Manual

Very underrated channel

Idk why but the music the voice these videos are just iconic

I believe the Ford Fiesta and Focus would sell well if they were brought back, same with the Toyota hilux, great reliable dependable vehicles, fan favourites

Fact: New BRZ has a huge weight reduction with aluminium sus from GR86's steel one, but still offered at a noticably lower price. The alunimium sus also eliminates extra oversteer so that u go faster on tracks. And our anime influenced fellas would choose a GR86 over a BRZ without a think. lol

I think the argument about the M5 manual is overlooking something. European firms’ bread and butter are very affordable cars. Little hatches and city cars, that most North American buyers have never heard of. They usually come with manual only to keep costs down. I watch a lot of European car media and I got the feeling for the performance market, more manuals offerings are stateside. So yes, 80% of cars in Europe are manual, but only a small proportion of those are cars that you and I would pay attention to.

When i was on holidays in Italy, driving mk3 Octavia it was not fun time driving in cities. But could be worse, seen many people struggle in SUV´s.

the new type r is supposed to be alot simpler. It doesnt have any fake vents, just the real car

@hellcat69420

10 ай бұрын

Probably an unpopular opinion: the New Type R looks a lot better and grown up compared to the older one

I think Kei Cars should work alright in Europe but their image is the same as a Smart Car's: Do not use this outside of town, it's inadequate everywhere else! And as long as there are cheap Smart cars, VW Ups and Aygos...why pick anything else that's MORE quirky and less agile? In Europe there's usually some space between cities and you don't want to own a car but use rail everywhere

also considering how popular the vw ute was in europe i could see the maloo sell in europe too (altho maybe with a more fuel efficent engine)

@BatMan-oe2gh

Жыл бұрын

Maloo only had the V8. You would have to get the standard Ute with the V6.

The new Caddy is pretty cool. It sounds amazing. It's probably going to be a lot more expensive to run and maintain in Europe with gas prices. But you could buy the MT Blackwing and have 40k euro for gas and tyres. The Honda E would be one of the coolest EVs to have in the States. Way cooler than any other EV in its price range. Way cooler.

More and more I watched your video, more I convinced you used to watch Top Gear a lot, especially the one with the Orang Utan 😁

When my parents were in Italy for vacation. They saw a lot of Ford Focuses around the country. I even had a 2005 Ford Focus ZX5 SES trim level. It was a fun car in driving till I was in a car accident in early March 2012.

Love your Videos. Can you please make a swedish car video (volvo,saab)? That would be pretty cool. Keep up the great work

GM was in the perfect position to resurrect the El Camino when they owned Holden, and they totally fucked it up.

ever since launch i fell in love with the honda e design and as a german ive been really bumme dout about the fact, that there is no easy way to get ahold of cts-v wagons

Here in Brazil, the fiat panda is called UNO. one of the best fuel economy car here

Actually the Camaro used the Holden/HSV Chassis called the Zeta platform.

For one, the Honda E would do very nice here, in a four door configuration, to compete with the Prius Leaf and other EVs. The Maloo could have been a low production truck, but when Pontiac was axed, everything went down the crapper. Life is too damn fast and hectic here in America for a manual in practical use, but it's still fun to drive on the weekends.

a modernised vw beetle with modern tech to get better fuel milage and power while retaining the rear boxer engine and basic bodyshape would sell like icecream on a hot day in todays market, cheap, efficient and practical while also being a classic and good looking compared to those boxes most companies are puting out nowadays

That video was so good, fuck it, make a part two. I need another one of these in my life 💖

3:36 as a Aussie it a Ute not truck or a pickup a truck is what you call a “semi-truck”

The El Camino is the mullet of cars.

0:04 Hey it's the legendary Fiat Panda! If you get the 4x4 version of that little guy you can co basically anywhere!

let's be honest. you're glad this isn't a clickbait channel. I am too. keep up the good work c:

Stype , you should make a list of the most beautiful car interiors ever made

Yo style I love your vids man

In 1997 Holden sent a factory LHD ute to the US to be evaluated by head office, the powers that be said " too expensive and the Auto Workers Union said NO. Last I heard the LHD ute was gathering dust in the corner of a storage warehouse.

My buddy has a 2015 (I think it's a 15) CTV Wagon with a manual and that thing is fast as fuck. And he has 2 kiddos and they always ask to take the caddy to school. His kids are going to be the coolest kids at school.

That was amazing video! :)

To the Maloo: Infact, there was also a Ford Modell of it called the Ford Ute. To the Cadillac: As a german, i can tell you germans care a lot about image and prestige and US-Cars really don't have the image / standing of Audi, BMW or Mercedes here, even if their Cars arent bad. Not even close. Plus there are only a handfull of Chevrolet/Cadillac Dealerships in the entire country. Same thing with the Genesis, Lexus or Infiniti, who suffer the same problems.

@TopCarsTV

Жыл бұрын

That's all true, but when you take the price into consideration... E53 vs Blackwing? I'm sure some would think twice before going for a vastly slower Merc.

2:18 naa man😂 you didn't have to do japan like that 😂😂

The problem with bringing Kei cars here is that we are on average quite a bit larger than the Japanese.

@ilmarilah1195

16 күн бұрын

Moi

@Tommuli_Haudankaivaja

16 күн бұрын

@@ilmarilah1195 Moro

Australia was making Utes long before the El Camino was built.

Customer: We want a small car Company: We present you the 6-meters SUV

I love that you metioned Sir Frank Stephenson

Stype I love you man, really entertaining and you sound like my dad 😄

my father's 10 year old bmw now needs a engine block replacement because it cracked but the car was driven by 2 owners as daily drivers

I always wanted a review of the Mahindra Thar from you about how this vehicle could also be in this List...

Countryballs in the intro, Drew Durnil will be proud.

That ring to find killed me😂😂😂

Hi second I love your videos bro can u do British uk England cars oh the fiat panda has a fiat has the same stuff as a fiat 500

7:46 i'm sad to bc its not coming to my country, thailand. i've only heard its sold in europe and japan

I love the idea of a optional stick shift

lol! Turtle head sticking out of the shell 😂

Everyone in America:"I want the Maloo" Uncle Sam:" You can't handle the Maloo".

I really wish the Cadillac CT5-V would be sold in Germany. I really love the brand and I'm already looking for the older model (CTS-V). Merc, Audi, BMW is just something eveyone has. Maybe I have to import a CT5-V in the next few years (as long as fuel prices are still manageable)

We have the Maloo here in South Africa as well as Chev Lumina SS

I'm surprised you didn't mentioned the Subaru Baja. Which would've sold really well In markets such as Australia/ New Zealand. I also think the Baja would've done well In Latin American Countries (Ie Mexico and Brazil) too.

@demomanchaos

6 ай бұрын

As a yank who owns one of those I can confirm they are nifty little turds and are almost too practical. I have no idea why they didn't sell better here in the US, but the Ute crazed Aussies would have gobbled them up (Especially if there was a good WRX version).

@alexsaffamerica

18 күн бұрын

The Baja was already sold in Chile, which was a good start.

Peugeot, Citroen, Skoda, Opel and Vauxhall also deserved a mention here. Not gonna lie, I would love for these european carmakers to branch out their markets into the US. Well... Peugeot have done so back in the 80s and failed, but still they should be given a chance along with the others. Especially cars like the Peugeot 508 sw, Citroen C5 aircross and the Skoda Yeti. These are some good examples out of these mentioned companies.

@I_Ciste

Жыл бұрын

To be fair, Opel did sell in the US... as Buick, Saturn and maybe some other US brand from GM. As for the cars you mentioned the Skoda Yeti died around 6 years ago

Hsv maloo there were also a regular versions. Holden commodore Ute. You could get them with regular 4 pots v6s and of course the v8. Ford had their falcon Ute that was very closely matched

@nobikeman

Жыл бұрын

No 4 pots, only V6 & V8’s.

@nobikeman

Жыл бұрын

@@rowanaldridge4662 what are you on about? Old mate above said commodore Ute came in 4, 6 & 8’s. I said no 4’s only 6 & 8’s

@nobikeman

Жыл бұрын

@@rowanaldridge4662 all good mate

When I saw “kei cars in Europe” I thought exactly that, I’ve been wanting an S660 for a long time and I wish I could have one here and not import it

Thinking the CT5-V would do great in Germany is the reason why there is no Cadilac in Germany

BMW also did that with two gens of M6s

0:03 hold up is that a country ball

Maybe could've added the FPV Pursuit Ute or the Ford Falcon Ute

@brothermaynard3200

Жыл бұрын

And XR6 Turbo.

Informative, educational, and most importantly.....brilliantly entertaining.

I am so glad you said that about the new Civic Type-R. What I heard they might do with a new Prelude is even worse.

@hellcat69420

10 ай бұрын

Well, if it becomes a thing, a new prelude, we will probably have it in like 2028. As I just searched online for a new honda prelude and that came up.

2:39 but it's except on some famous k cars. Like a nissan figaro or daihatsu copen

there re some crazy programs in germany for german cars other car companies cant compete . it doesnt matter if you better looking faster and cheaper if i can keep changing my BMW model yearly paying 20% of the cars actuall value

That Maloo is a VF series and the last of the Holden's in 2015? Ish but back in the VP/VN series they wanted to export to the US the VP/VN series as the maloo but didn't comply with Californian regulations , and the idea was scrapped

1:40 THATS ACTUALLY A CITY NEAR MY AREA

They tried to sell some kei cars in Europe, like the Subaru ViVio, Daihatsu Move, Cuore, Materia, Copen but sales never picked up

The fact that we are forced to drive terrible small econoboxes cars in Europe, especially in France because here the taxation on gas is up to 200%, just enrage me.

every car should be sold everywhere, no exeptions. Another one is the new J300 Toyota Land Cruiser in the US, a better Land Cruiser that's not a million years old and doesn't have 10 mpg but... not sold in the land of the Land Cruiser.

8:32 That was my exact reaction

Note: a few rebadged Kei cars have been sold in Europe! The Suzuki Wagon R (and its successor, the Splash) was sold as the Opel/Vauxhall Agila up until 2015.

The main reason the US never got the HSV Maloo (or its less-extroverted brother, the Holden Commodore Ute) can be summed up in two words - 'Chicken Tax'. Given that the Commodore was built on the same platform as the 5th-generation Camaro, I always wondered if it might have been possible to assemble the various Commodore models (sedan, wagon and ute) from CKD kits in the same factory as the Camaro. This would have given GM a direct competitor to the Dodge Charger / Chrysler 300, and a unique vehicle that nobody else in the US market had. It would also have increased Holden's parts production volume, although I'm not sure if it would have been enough to prevent their closure.

Due to the import taxes based on engine size in Europe, US cars become more expensive than local , in greece a 2006 c6 Corvette base edition cost more than 40k euro the new mustang v8 more than 120k after taxes

Is it just me who wants car companies to go back to classic style cars

@woxyroxme

11 ай бұрын

I would kill for a sporty 2 door car here in the US.

the cts -v as more hp than his rival dodge charger : I'm I a joke to you

An Australian here. You American bais is showing which answers your own question but if you did your research. Then you'd know the ute(car base pickup mini truck or whatever word you use) is Australian idea and investion, and originally came from a farmers wife complaint to the Australia division of ford. That there wasn't a car that could take her to church on sunday and to take the pigs to market on monday, then America took the fun sporty ute and turned it into a who's is biggest contest.

the honda one got me

As for kei cars in Europe, in late 90s and early 2000s Daewoo tried to sell some rebadged models, but besides Poland which was in need for any cheap car it flopped. Also Daewoo reputation ofc. As for the new ones, impprting costs would rise a price for those a lot, and no one would risk producing it in Europe in case sales would be too low. So Pandas would be cheaper. Also those tiny kei car engines don't meet strict EU emission standards and are rather high revving, while european engines are designed for low end more.

never been a chevy guy , but always loved the look of the holdens . should've been sold in america .

. We have the chevrolet lumina SS with the LS2 v8. The great grandchild of the El Camino. Sadly it's also discontinued due to GM leaving South Africa. It's the closest we can get to an American muscle car here.

Had no idea a 70’ SS El Camino is worth so many bucks. Shit my neighbor and I ran around in one in high school.

The Honda E would be the only electric vehicle I’d consider, and I live in North America

Kei cars were sold in the 90s in Europe by Daihatsu and Subaru. Wasn't very successful since Europeans also pay attention to design.

@lazzie7495

Жыл бұрын

Okay, but is that still really the case?

Im Australian so we get the Holden Commodore

6:09 was that a Better Call Saul reference

@TopCarsTV

Жыл бұрын

Yes

The Maloo was rebadged here as a Chevy SS. Genuinely one of my favourite Chevy’s. It was a beast

@TopCarsTV

Жыл бұрын

No, no. The Holden Commodore, on which Maloo was based, was rebadged as the SS

@nerdyllama9330

Жыл бұрын

@@TopCarsTV my bad, as far as I know, the van (called the “Chevrolet Lumina Ute” here) was based off the sedan version which was also sold here, as the “Chevrolet Lumina”. I always found it odd where the names were coming from lol, especially since the only distinguishing factor in the names was “Ute”

@TurtleWurdle

Жыл бұрын

@@TopCarsTV like to also mention, the Maloo spirit isn’t lived on from the El Camino, since Australia created the Ute before America had the El Camino.