Never knew about these cheats. I’ll try them out this weekend. Thanks for the advice!

@markbrouk7857

2 жыл бұрын

Hilarious lol

@carterbertke9285

2 жыл бұрын

lmao so many good ideas

I think you might need to see a therapist about the cheater that hurt you and your deep seeded issues surrounding the time they got you with a Lifesaver.

To be fair most of these things don’t really bother me. The average golfer isn’t going to get much more of an advantage. Really just about having fun out on the course.

@bdiddy2951

2 жыл бұрын

This video isn't meant for you then

@yoostburg

2 жыл бұрын

Doesn't matter how average you are when money is involved

@silencz1

Жыл бұрын

Obviously not a true golfer if none of this bothers you. Probably never carded a true score in your life.

I take relief from roots, I don't play for money and don't want to damage my new irons or wrist. Treat it as ground under repair and move the ball without bettering my position if I am under a branch or whatever.

@bignastytiger4174

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. I do the same and announce it before the round.

@tcofield1967

2 жыл бұрын

I insist that someone move their ball if it is on a root. I broke a seven iron earlier this year on one. But then again I haven’t played a comp for a while.

@keithpanco

Жыл бұрын

You can always drop your ball away from roots. If you don't take the penalty, you are a cheater.

@PrimetimeZ

2 ай бұрын

@@keithpancoyou’re a loser

I had a coworker friend once who said, “I like playing with you, you make me play honest.” By the end of the season he didn’t wanna play with me anymore

Overwhelming majority of us are not good enough where any of these "reliefs" would make much of a difference. I see people give themselves better lies and lines all the time, but they are struggling to break 90-100, and frankly, if it helps the pace of play, I don't care. They will not playing to win a tournament anytime soon.

@lylealexander4861

2 жыл бұрын

You say they’re struggling to break 90-100 but in reality, they’re struggling to break 100-120 if they were not to take all the unauthorized relief.

@hobo7070

2 жыл бұрын

@@lylealexander4861 maybe maybe not. In my experience, these players do not necessarily hit a decent shot from the unauthorized relief. In other words, they are not good enough to consistently take advantage of the relief to make a different (e.g. topping a ball from a divot versus topping the ball after improving its lie -- either way, its a topped ball). No way to really know for sure. Regardless, I'd much rather they hit 90-100 with the unauthorized relief than slowing up the pace of play hitting 100-120...round of golf is already slow enough.

@joshuaburba1048

2 жыл бұрын

Hobo, I can so relate to what you're saying. Not that I would take an unwarranted relief, but if I did, it wouldn't make a lick of difference, because I just suck at golf. So, your comment perfectly refers to people such as myself. Have a good one.

@AVD-og9fr

2 жыл бұрын

So it seems people are often worried about pace of play. This is also something that baffles me. I pay 30-75 to play golf usually on my only day off ill be damned to tee off and run to my ball like I got something to do other than enjoy the day.

@lylealexander4861

2 жыл бұрын

@@AVD-og9fr Who is asking you to run? There’s a big difference between taking five hours to play, selfishly not giving a damn about those following you, and playing in 4:00 to 4:30, the pace we all can play without rushing.

LOL, I honestly don't think playing with someone that called all these things out would be much fun to play with. I can see it being enforced though if money was on the line.

Exposed roots could be a local rule for a free drop...especially in low areas of the country.

Cheaters never prosper. I play my game straight up unless there is a chance of damaging my clubs. I don’t care about my playing partners game. I don’t play for money or club championships so if they want to cheat it only hurts their game. Love ya brother!

The tree thing was brilliant. Good entertainment. Did you forget your green lifesavers this time around?

Great video Matt I have always enjoyed your content on KZread over the years!

I appreciate the help and advice. For me, I just play to have a good time. If I take a mulligan even if my first shot is playable, I don’t care and neither do the friends I play with. But still, these are handy lessons.

The little mound during winter rules is a cool one. Thanks dude

Oh my god, I can’t count how many times someone said “we’re just playing for fun” then six tee shots and three holes later the want to place a “friendly” wager 🙄

I started playing golf about 5 months ago. A few of my friends like to bet when we play. My average is about 110-115. After 18 holes, they usually beat me about 3-4 points. Found out that they moved their ball a few inches here and there to get a good lie. When thought that the ball has to stay wherever it landed. When I asked them, they said we're not pro so anyone of us can move the ball, including me. Since I've been doing that, I dropped about 6-10 strokes so I shot, 100, 101, 98, 105 and 102 the last 5 times I played. I don't think it's coincidence. It definitely made a difference.

Awesome vid short game am still laughing 😂 for some folks as soon they get on the course well you know the thing.😆🚬⛳🥃☮️

More of that Mr ShortGame music throughout the video bro... love it!!

What do you think of gimme putts/mulligans/skipping penalty strokes (ie hit ball in the woods then hit 2 from the tee, or dropping next to the woods and hitting 3 from there) during your rounds where you are trying to break scoring barriers? Same question for when you claim a new all time lowest score (but with 2 mulligans and a 3-4ft gimme putt for example)? Fairly new to the game so I was interested in hearing your perspective on this

@robhaynes4695

2 жыл бұрын

No gimme putts, definitely no mulligans! Just play a legit game. This will only make you a better player. It is what it is. We all have to own up to our mistakes. Why cheat just to say you shot a better score than you actually did. Even if it’s just a fun, casual round.

I have been improving every year but now I’m just trying to be more consistent I find myself still coming over the top what’s the best drill to help me?

Hey MS, thanks for the tips and tricks...Yours Truly, PR

I like doing the chopping a hole and building up a mound technique sometimes But only on the tee block

Last course I played at had rocks everywhere. I would frequently move my ball away from rocks because clubs are too expensive these days to replace. Fortunately my playing partners agreed.

Excellent tips!!!! I'll let you know after next game and I finally break 120 🤣

Wait... So if you're taking a real swing in the trees and a leaf falls off it, is that a 2 stroke too?

@gregorybenoit8526

2 жыл бұрын

Not during the actual swing. If you knock off a leaf or branch or anything during a practice swing, that’s where it’s a penalty. It’s considered improving your lie. You can’t clear yourself a path so to speak.

I played with an older gentleman that would tee his ball up in the fairway every time…. It was a couple guys I joined with on my vacation. No big deal it just cracked me up :]

@pauldemontmorency6353

2 жыл бұрын

My dad played with a guy that always had lifesaver candy. he realized this guy used them as tees on the fairway. Old guy too.

@gregoryjames7976

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah Played with a guy that did that. He ALWAYS shot in the 70’s. He also had a habit of driving his cart right up to you while you were in your swing.

If I'm not in a tournament I DONT CARE IF SOME ONE MOVES THE BALL.. its playing golf 🏌️‍♂️& having fun

In 31 years of playing the game, ive never seen anyone do any of these things...

The Leather Wedge is the most common cheat I've seen. But hay thanks for the heads up on these ones, will have to try them ;-)

This is why I don’t play in CC’s, local comps, or match plays. Too many cheaters and sand baggers.

In our league by far the worst offenses are mis-counting and people dropping way too far forward on wayward shots

I'm only here because of the thumbnail. When I saw him stretching out to the cart path o was like damn this guy.. you are funny Mr ShortGame. Love it. But good points you raise here. I've played with guys who have done some of these things before.

At my club we have a local rule to take a drop from roots and rocks, unless it is declared to play the ball down. I've seen plenty of abuse of that rule. Another abuse is ground under repair. Our course does not mark those areas except for tournaments, so there's lots of mis-remembering where those areas are 🤨

As someone who has trouble tracking a long drive even with bright colored balls, i will take provisionals a few times a round. I always tell the group the number on the provisional ball just in case the original is found.

Thanks Mr. Short Game, I may have to use a few of these tricks. I might be able to break 85 now lol!!!

I was playing in a scramble and the guys on the other team basically chopped limbs off the tree and the tall grass in front of them and held down branches, to get a shot at the green from the slope. Then I watched them miss the ball and they said it was a practice swing. I asked them, what was your score? Par! 😲

@ashleywalls4097

2 жыл бұрын

My buddy did this the other day. :/ IO counted 7 he said 5

@saigadreamcast

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t get that, they’re only hurting themselves if they lie about their score

I don't cheat when I'm playing for money, but I've probably done a few of those things during a casual round. I can't stand hitting a great drive only to have a chunk of mud stuck to the side of the ball. I've been known to rub that mud off the ball before hitting my next shot; I just rub it under my eyes and tell the guys I needed some sun glare protection. It works every time!

Thanks for the tutorial 😂😂😂

The foot on cart path was hilarious

You forgot the one about taking shots off the score yet you've counted the other players strokes but they somehow manage a better score for the hole than you

When I play with my friends we all will take provisional swings or hits. However we always have to announce them ahead of time and no matter how good the hit is, it doesn't count.

@gregorybenoit8526

2 жыл бұрын

A provisional is only meant for when you think your ball might be out of bounds or in a hazard but aren’t sure. You want practice shots, get to the course early and warm up.

@hothamandfauri

2 жыл бұрын

@@gregorybenoit8526 maybe so, but when playing for fun with friends no one ends up caring.

Dang Mr. Short Game. Use that foot wedge when you are in the trees next time instead of breaking branches. CMon Man😂

yer good, great video.

The worst way is still sandbagging! Hate it.

Thanks for the video. Played with a cheat once. Never played with him again.

0:54 I don’t see the problem with hitting a provisional like that. The player has every right to declare that he/she can hit a provisional. If you’re not 100 percent sure the first one is safe, go ahead and hit a second ball. Who cares if it’s a free practice swing? That’s strategy.

@shavencarrot

2 жыл бұрын

Golf is a sport about respect. If you are ''taking advantage of the rules'' thats not within the spirit of the game.

This is top grade hilarious!!!!

i played golf with a guy while visiting LA that would pull the pin and step on the cup when he thought no one was looking, Hilarious! I caught him doing it and told him it was cheating. He laughed and didn't seem to care. He really never got a putt close enough for it to help him. Public golf at Rancho!

I always play a different colour ball for my provisional shot, white for normal play then colour if I want to play a provisional. That way my playing partners know exactly which is which.

I've never seen a lift clean and place that bad.. even in casual rounds with guys who are indexs of 20+... that's wild

my local course doesnt have fairways it just has better roughs so we always take a club length whenever we want haha

To be honest, I’m only fixing 3-5 ball marks on a green per hole, if I can go a 1/4 of an inch left or right of my mark to avoid pitch-mark #7, I’m doing it.

yo is this Reynolds my dads a golf pro and he worked there for about 20 years, but I was too young to really remember the course

It would be brutal to be paired with this dude.

There's a guy in our regular 4some who rolls it to improve his lie. Don't want to create bad blood by calling him on it, but it bothers me, especially if he clips me by 2 shots.

Now make one on top legal cheats. From New Zealand

1:50 I didn’t know that. If it’s on your actual shot is it still a two stroke penalty?

@shanepeak2159

2 жыл бұрын

Im just trying to figure out why a leaf following off a tree is a penalty

@ldeue4837

2 жыл бұрын

I think he was slightly exaggerating, but it would seem to fall under improving your lie, if you smack branches out of your way.

@BadBoiFilms

2 жыл бұрын

If you take an aggressive backswing and hit branches but follow through and hit your shot, is it a two stroke penalty?

@ldeue4837

2 жыл бұрын

@@BadBoiFilms I would say no....this would only be an infraction if you are staging it like practice swings etc. Once you're over top of the ball and swinging, whatever happens happens.

@BadBoiFilms

2 жыл бұрын

@@ldeue4837 that’s what I would play by. Gonna have to look this up

The stretching out to get to the cart path got me. I didn't think people could be so creative in their cheating.

@Garbox80

2 жыл бұрын

Same here. But on the other hand I've learned not to undereetimate the stupidity and/or greed people are capable of.

@MrEmpirestate714

2 жыл бұрын

@@Garbox80 true, just when I thought counting someone else's score while playing and counting yours was exhausting. There's even more to keep track of. Luckily I don't play many skins matches lol

@Garbox80

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrEmpirestate714 That counting part can be impossible at times for a 100% certainty. You can be at the opposite side of the fairway than the other player and if might even have something blocking your view a bit (one of ypu, or both, in the bushes for example). So it's an estimate at best.

@MrEmpirestate714

2 жыл бұрын

@@Garbox80 very true. Was playing once with a couple buddies and their friend. Caught him miscounting a couple times. Laughs were had but who knows how many other holes he got away with it lol.

@Garbox80

2 жыл бұрын

@@MrEmpirestate714 I mean, I have done it a couple of times myself, forgot one bad shot or something, but that usually means I'm shooting atleast an 8 or 9 on that hole anyways, so it usually wouldn't matter anyway (and usually I've noticed it myself when re-checking it in my head while walking towards the next tee).

Makes me think weather you playing partner should decide on weather some off these issues should be what the player think s they are, like the plugged ball

i played with a guy who claimed that his ball went into the hole and reached in and pulled out a ball that he had in his hand. Everyone believed him except me because he tried the same trick on the previous hole and I caught him seeing his true ball go into the rough. Yes it was for money and he also gets caught cheating at cards with money involved too.

You forgot the "Just checking to see if it is my ball" when it is in the rough. What is your take on the ball being in the fairway yet is sitting on a bare patch area, my claim is it should be ground under repair, am I cheating?

I had no clue about the second one.

How about the guy who marks his ball on a downhill putt and 'accidentally' drops it as he picks it up, taking good care to watch the break as the ball rolls down towards the hole as he reaches slowly down to pick it up?

I've seen my buddy hit a ball into a canyon that miraculously found the edge of the rough. Some people have no shame.

That’s my home course. The manor golf and country club

Can you imagine if knocking a leaf off a tree on a practice swing was always a penalty? Thankfully it's not.

@gregorybenoit8526

2 жыл бұрын

It is actually.

@JtBellush

2 жыл бұрын

@@gregorybenoit8526 No, it is not. Only if it materially improves your swing path. If there are 25 leaves in your backswing and 1 falls, you haven't materially altered your situation. This is a decision that has been applied many times.

people that cheat like that are only hurting themselves, they will never learn and improve.

A leaf coming off a tree I can live with, but the guys who hack all the long grass away from their buried ball drive me nuts. So many plead ignorance of basic rules.

great shot out of the tree!

You want find out if someone has character just play golf with them. I tell everyone you play the way you always play. The way they play doesn't effect my score. God know the real score and so does most of the people they play with.

I always like it when people move their ball and claim certain rules for different seasons in the year. Unless it is ground under repair or a man made object… play it as it lies!!!

The new rules around the tree issue (second one) has changed.

Mr PGA Tour official over here. Unless you’re playing for money who gives a damn. If a leave falls off the tree 2 stroke penalty?? LMAO

Hehe, nice. I’m still using your life saver trick. 👍

O lord I was hurting I was laughing so hard when he was in the tree’s man I would love to play golf with him he is so relatable to most of us

You seem a bit uptight this morning 😁

I had the chainsaw as my 14th club, but fair enough I'll take it out.

you forgot the fluff the ball up in deep rough where the guy says "i was just checking tomake sure it was mine then fluffs it up"

Most of my friends just forget how to do simple addition when counting their strokes.

Casual money or not, I play the root rule. I'm not rich enough to go breaking clubs on roots when its totally reasonable to move the ball away some. If it isn't USGA, then don't break your club over a few bucks.

I've never seen anyone in our group do any of these things??? Most problems arise from someone NOT hitting a provisional, and then instead of declaring a lost ball and going back and re-teeing, they just put a ball out approximately where they entered the woods and adding a stroke and playing on. It's stroke and distance for a lost ball. Most of this video does not apply to the people I play with.

one guy notoriously find is ball in the high fescue and then looks for the green/landing spot, all the while tramping the grass in a circle around his ball. not only improving his lie 100% but clearing his stroke 1000%

😂😂😂 Hitting from the trees

I don’t play for money or against anyone, too many cheaters. I play with a guy who has never lost a ball or missed a shot out of the rough or woods lol

One of the biggest cheats is groups giving each other putts during stroke play events.

We play with a free provisional only on the first hole. Then allow every other one as a stroke. We arent pros and put it in the trees a lot lol.

Tell me you've played with individual #1 without telling me you've played with individual #1. 😂😂😂

Is it technically cheating to funk your stance a bit and get relief from the path? Or is that just using the rules to your advantage? I think if a guy does that, you just tip your hat to him and let him drop, no?

Sweet, another Episode of "this guy must be no fun to play golf with"

I think this only applies if there is money on the line. Other than that go out there swing 120 and have a great time.

Question: Can you deny your playing partner a provisional ball?

@michaelj170

2 жыл бұрын

Rule 18.3 deals with provisional balls. It does not state that you can deny your playing partner a provisional ball. My suggestion is to check before the match begins as to which ball and number they are playing. When another player states that they are playing a provisional ball, you ask to see what number on the ball that they are going to use. Make sure that they are marked differently.

You been play n with the same guys as me lol

I don't mind if someone does stuff that helps themselves out a lil here and there, it is the people willing to screw you over to get an advantage are the losers.

It is legal to move the ball away from a root, but it must be nearest point of relief, no closer to the hole, and dropped, not placed.

@jamesparsons5633

2 жыл бұрын

I believe only if the root is in the fairway or marked as gur. Otherwise I believe you have to declare unplayable if you wish to move it.

Ridiculous that you are trying to catch us! We will outsmart you!

The worst one is playing bandits! My mate plays off 23 & gets 40pts 🤷🏼‍♂️

Not seen most of those

Great vid overall but "the score already doesn't even really count"... Uhh, if the local rule that day is for lift, clean, and place then the score is just as legit as when the pros get that advantage in a real tourney. Granted the tour will only go that route in very bad conditions while your local may opt that way for mush less but still...

The best is when golfers give themselves 3 footers or more on their putts because their frustrated. "Dude, I need to see that". Golfers who start making excuses before they tee off and keep making them. Dude, you're a crappy golfer. That 7 iron you hit well once today is not your standard of play. Golfers saying they shot 85 last week and there's nothing in their golf game that will make you think they broke 100. Golfers who finally par a hole and say, "that's more like it". They're 20 over and we're on the 6th hole. So many.

If someone wants to cheat....let them....karma usually comes back at them. Just enjoy your game and don’t play with them again....but don’t pay them if there is lots of money on the game.

So we spot one of these people cheating, what do we do, and say next? Because these cheater types get very angry an aggressive when they realise they have been busted. Looking for suggestions.....