None of them is better than MY...

@EforElectric

Жыл бұрын

It depends on what you mean by "better". If you don't include build quality, daily useful technology, customer service, number of service locations, availability of spare parts then you are right.

@onlineo2263

Жыл бұрын

@@EforElectric How did that pan out with the id4? I think in truth most of the evs are badly supported by current manufacturers. I've seen kia ev6 here in the UK needing new 12 volt battery and people wait over 6 months for Kia to get the battery into the country. This is when the battery is already in stock in shops but if you buy one and fit it yourself or ask a garage or the dealership to fit the battery not sourced directly from Kia then you void the warranty! There are wheels falling off Toyota, GM issuing stop driving the car warnings. BMW not being able to fix issues with the i3 rex. The list goes on. But to say people with non Tesla evs are getting a better customer service duty to service location and spare parts is very incorrect. Most ev makers are really struggling with spare parts.

@EforElectric

Жыл бұрын

@@onlineo2263 I do this for a living. I travel around the country and the world and talk to people about electric cars. I also run electric car owner groups with over 150,000 members to keep my fingers on the pulse of the community. Now it's your turn to tell me why your opinion is worth anything.

@OweEyeSea

Жыл бұрын

@@EforElectric onlineo's tone was a little negative, but he had valid points on the struggles of most EV manufacturers. They all have low production numbers, are struggling with supply chains, and are selling at a loss or very slim margins. That's going to impact their ability and motivation to invest adequate resources into service. Many of them are based on ICE designs or hastily designed EV platforms that are not well optimized for mass production, meaning they are going to have build problems. There are some exceptions. A follow up video the focuses on the 4 or 5 of these that are the exceptions and are "true" competitors would be awesome. So far, none of these have convinced me to not continue to wait the several more years for my CT reservation to come up. That includes the "SUV in name only" Model Y. As an absurdly tall guy, I want something approaching the driver's space in my Dodge Charger and Lincoln Navigator.

@KaiPonte

Жыл бұрын

You must enjoy a harsh ride!

2 problems that I see for many of these alternatives: 1) You can't actually find many of them and buy them....and if you do find one they are tacking on crazy mark ups...and 2) Many areas of the country, CCS charging is not very plentiful and has had questionable reliability.

@benjaminsmith2287

Жыл бұрын

More and more are going to the online sales model. Polestar is one that does this already and Volvo does to a degree for their EVs. Others are following. Hopefully they'll do so soon. I keep hearing that EVs are charged home and if that's the case, then the public charging isn't that big an issue. Tesla has a major advantage in the charger network and it's a big oversight that other manufacturers still haven't created an alternative that works as well.

@lenimbery7038

Жыл бұрын

@@benjaminsmith2287 Polestar's seem to be a great car but where do I get service? Nearest dealer to me is over an hour away and I wonder how well they're prepared to support their EVs? At least with Tesla, I know there's a good charging network and a proven mobile service model at least

@benjaminsmith2287

Жыл бұрын

@@lenimbery7038 Polestars are serviced at some Volvo dealers.

@lenimbery7038

Жыл бұрын

@@benjaminsmith2287 Yes the nearest Volvo dealer is an hour away from me so nothing local

@Mpr47276

Жыл бұрын

My two college room mates and I have all bought EVs in the last 3-months. The smart money is buying ALL Tesla!

We initially opted for the 2022 ID.4 instead of the Model Y and boy did we make a mistake. We had the ID.4 for 6 months. In that time, the car had to be serviced 3 times for software and electrical issues--error codes abound. Eventually the speedometer and backup camera completely stopped working. Luckily VW bought the thing back before we could lemon it. TLDR: Don't get an ID.4! 2023 Model Y is on the way!

Agree with others. No inventory for these vehicles in US. I live in CA and the dealer laugh at me when I ask about these vehicles. If they ever do arrive the stealers mark them up big time. Still waiting for supply to catch up to demand so I can buy at MSRP. Want to try Aptera when they have a production model for test drive.

My only other option besides Tesla is Rivian, because they sell directly to customers. I would never again in my life visit a dealer. After the experience i had buying a Tesla.

@Mpr47276

Жыл бұрын

True that!!

@gzman1

11 ай бұрын

could u expound on that? seems like model y is the most popular here

Sandy Munro’s wife insists that if they travel any where they take the Model 3. Can you guess why? She, according to reports, was using their other EV and found the 12 station EA charging site she stopped at were all offline. Can you guess why she was unhappy?

@mikafiltenborg7572

Жыл бұрын

My next car will be a used Tesla model 3

@CNile-se9xw

Жыл бұрын

My guess is that she's married to Sandy?

@nguyep4

Жыл бұрын

@@CNile-se9xw My guess is you are projecting.

@CNile-se9xw

Жыл бұрын

@@nguyep4 Not a problem mate. You divulged that you're guessing & I'm not sure what "projecting" is, nor do I care. 😉

@aurelio-reymilaorcabal9669

Жыл бұрын

@@CNile-se9xw Alex, are you happy with your VW id4 infotainment/ software and Telematics and EAmerica ?

Pollster 2, Mustang, Blazer and Equinox all look like reasonable alternatives...but 1) tax credit 2) reliability 3)charging 4) updates 5) efficiency 6) experience 7) Made in America 8) availability : only Tesla hits all the marks. (or even half the marks)

@nader31

Жыл бұрын

I test drove the Nissan Ariya. I have to say that it was more impressive than what I expected

@rogerwagenknecht-dj9qo

Жыл бұрын

Blazer and Equinox have not been released once released I believe they will qualify for the tax credit.

@petertraveller6421

Жыл бұрын

Those other cars like mach-e is 8.000 euros more expensive. Those GM cars are NOT even close to be sold in U.S. and not many years available here in europe. Yes, nissan Ariya seems to be nice, but to get good range, you need the big battery option and Ariya AWD way way more expensive than model Y AWD, Genesis is not even available in my country. New Kia niroEV is FWD only. Each of these "choices" some how fails to be true choice at same price or cheaper. Also no winfast in europe and when it is available, it will be more expensive.

Based on the current charging status of the electrify America EV go and others. I think I’ll stick with the model Y where I can actually find a charger that mostly will work.

@Wire-Free

Жыл бұрын

I’m torn… charging at home is my primary option for EV charging; and keeping my ice ride for mountain driving and road trips

I just picked up my Model Y two days ago. The features, price (including the tax incentives), charging speed and charging network made it an easy choice.

@Bebela1ms

Жыл бұрын

How are you liking it? Have u found a good insurance? Just wondering because I’m considering getting a Model Y for my spouse.

@DavidKinnear3

Жыл бұрын

@@Bebela1ms I am loving the Model Y, so far. It is fast handles great and is very comfortable. It did not take too long to get a handle on the screen-based controls. We are insured with Central Mutual Insurance, which is charging a price that I consider fair. The 2023 Model Y replaced a 2016 Subaru Forester and the insurance cost went up by $56 per month. Since I replaced a car worth about $18,000 with a car that is worth about $53,000, it seems reasonable that the cost for the collision and comprehensive parts of the insurance would be much higher.

I have a 2019 Kona and just love the car. I think my next one is something that can tow small trailers and I think the EV6 is the car to do it. Also love the FLO network. NEVER been stranded or encountered broken chargers with them. I didn't buy a Tesla bc I like to have a dealership nearby for possible problems.

Tesla is still way ahead ❤️🌹 Love our fun little BMW i3S 🌎 I did test drive VW id4 found it dull to drive for a electric car.

These are great selections until you want to go on a road trip.

@davidmccarthy6061

Жыл бұрын

People do it all the time, and several charge faster than a Tesla. Not to mention being better cars.

In my view, it will be another two years before we see enough production to bring EVs into real competition with Tesla. They are the only ones that can produce cars at sufficient scale to deliver cars to anyone who wants one. All the rest are hard to get and marked up so that the average buyer will just walk away. The market is getting there incrementally, but price and availability continue to present big obstacles for the average Joe. So for now, Tesla will remain the best option if you can afford one.

THANK YOU! for showing Kilometers! And to include the cars available here in Europe. FYI, the Jeep and the Opel Mokka are the same car - both from Stellantis

@wolfgangpreier9160

Жыл бұрын

And Movano and E-208 and EC4 and E-Traveller and many more. They all use the same 100kW drive train.

I'm in the UK. All of these cars are either much more expensive or they are much smaller and/or have a much shorter range than a Model Y. Where the model Y wins for our family is its large trunk/boot and large frunk coupled with acceptable price, range and most importantly the supercharger network. That said we have a model X as we love the electric doors and the gigantic boot/trunk in the 5 seater. The only other vehicle I would consider is the ID Buzz, but the range at 70mph is not good enough for an EV without supercharger network access.

I can't get over the looks of the Mach-E. However, I did test drive it and it was very pleasant. Not a fan of the interior aesthetics. Fan of the Ioniq5. My wife vetoed it though....

Said this once and said it again. This is the best ev channel in KZread

The problem is that in the US only Tesla charge stations are consistently reliable. So unless you are just buying an EV for short trips from your house, Tesla cars are the only real option until other charge stations improve or other autos start using Tesla chargers.

@nordic5490

Жыл бұрын

Most EV charging is done at home. The average daily commute here in Oz is 42kms. That 42kms can be recharged at home in just 3hrs from an ordinary household power outlet.. The cheapest Tesla Model Y is $20k AUD more expensive than a BYD Atto 3 here in Oz.

@mockingbird187

Жыл бұрын

​@@nordic5490 you keep repeating this point, but here's the thing, many, myself included, DO take road trips of hundreds if not thousands of miles and don't want to have to own two vehicles or rent something on the side. To get it all done with one EV, it's very difficult to top a Tesla... and, at least in the US, no BYD option.

They are all great alternatives, but only one comes with the supercharger network, therefore, my next car will probably be a model 3.

@ralphzoombeenie2330

Жыл бұрын

In Australia Tesla are opening up their Supercharger stations to non Tesla vehicles.

@CNile-se9xw

Жыл бұрын

@@ralphzoombeenie2330 Ha ha ha. Where do you mean in Australia? Western Australia has only ONE, the Northern Territory has SFA & South Aus has 4 (one in the CBD and another 60 km north of it at Clare 🙄). The eastern states don't fare too well once you venture west of the coastal golden mile. Can you imagine the outcry of Tesla owners in Western Australia, having to wait for the lesser people to charge their shitboxes? Hilarious.

@ralphzoombeenie2330

Жыл бұрын

@@CNile-se9xw I mean NSW where they have opened in 4 separate city locations as a trial. Hilarious to haters of EV but do you feel the same waiting in a long que at a gas station when prices are about to rise or the deliveries have been interrupted with flooded roads in the outback? I've seen both.

@CNile-se9xw

Жыл бұрын

@@ralphzoombeenie2330 Maaaate. I live in Souf 'Straya, where life's good. 👍🇦🇺👍 Neither my wife nor I have ever EVER had to wait in line to fill any of our ICE cars. Petrol prices have NEVER been a concern because the largest engine I've ever owned was an HD 179 cubic inch Holden & only our 323i BMW performed better, our 523i was an interstate cruiser. The next & last purchase was our immaculate 6,500km Mercedes B Class hatchback, which has the best ease of loading & capacity of them all. Having owned it for 12 years now, we've never had any hint of service price shock from our genuine MB service centre. We average only 5500km/year, so it would be a ludicrously disastrous environmental & financial decision to replace it with ANY EV. I am sure that I'll be long gone before petrol is banned, or our little beauty turns up its toes. BTW, for all but one year (Department of Civil Aviation as an apprentice electronics tech), I worked in the distribution & transmission maintenance sector for ETSA, & spent my last 10 years in the SINGLE control centre for managing both distribution & transmission systems. You should be aware that since the privatisation of public energy utilities, the prices have skyrocketed. However, investment in infrastructures has effectively stalled, meaning that supply has gone from being a near certainty to crossing your fingers & hoping. Keep an eye out for electricity prices once EVs become mainstream. Bear in mind, there's no turning back, your genitals are firmly in their merciless clutches. 😉

@ralphzoombeenie2330

Жыл бұрын

@@CNile-se9xw Interesting post as one who is very familiar with now superseded DCA and knew several radar technicians. With your low usage and a quality car its logical not to replace it. Although I've gone electric I still have a low use gas car, a Honda S2000. Different tools for different uses.

Your sense of humor kills! I watch just for that.

I love my Ariya in deep ocean blue with light grey interior. Love being one of the few to drive around town in it while the commonplace Tesla has become the Camry of the EV world.

Great topo. But I think you are forgetting that Canada exist ;) GM Bolt EV and Bolt EUV are available in Canada and they also took reservations in Canada for the Equinox and Blazer so I'm guessing the Lyric also.

Thanks! Definitely enjoyed this video. Nice to see you doing some normal-format video as well as shorts.

I am glad to see that many model to compete with the model Y. I really love my model Y 2022, the thing is, you can't compete the Tesla software and charger network for now. But if you remove theses two factors, I would go for one of the Mercedes. They know how to make luxury interior, that is not the case with Tesla, you can't even compare.

@nordic5490

Жыл бұрын

Ahh... Tesla fanboy delusions. Tesla autopilot and fsd is banned here in Os and many other places in the world, as it is deemed roo dangerous. What software are you talking about ? Most EV charging is done at home. The average daily commute here in Oz is 42kms. That 42kms can be recharged at home in just 3hrs from an ordinary household power outlet.. The cheapest Tesla Model Y is $20k AUD more expensive than a BYD Atto 3 here in Oz.

@mockingbird187

Жыл бұрын

I'm pretty much in the same boat, but with a different car I'd resort to buying. Without those and the tax incentive, I'd be lured by the Hyundai EV6. Great reliability and fast charging... if only there was a solid network to actually support those specs!

Tesla has volume and experience on its side with over the air updates to fix bugs. Lacking a "heads up display" imo but hard to beat at current discount prices???

If only CCS charging was as seamless as Tesla superchargers! When that happens, I will be glad to look at other electric cars.

@EforElectric

Жыл бұрын

that's a silly comment. Superchargers are for long distance travel which means you would only use them like a few days a year. How is that a deciding factor when EVgo, Electrify America and others combined have more locations than Tesla??

@seniordockman2946

Жыл бұрын

@@EforElectric Silly? Maybe you don’t bother watching out of spec reviews or Kyle’s father on KZread. They have documented some of the problems at some CCS chargers. When we returned from a 3000 mile trip in our MY recently, we found we had had no trouble charging rapidly anywhere except Arkansas. And watching Out of spec motoring, I clearly get the idea that people taking trips should probably be careful what electric car they drive. We charge at home or at superchargers traveling. I stand by my comment as a retired traveler. It would be “silly” of me to create problems for myself by changing to a CCS ev.

@billthompson9482

Жыл бұрын

It is the exact reason I went with the Tesla model Y. I drive to Vermont from Long Island New York, 230 miles regularly and CCS charging is abysmal. In Summer months I can make it on one charge winter is a different story.

@wolfgangpreier9160

Жыл бұрын

We have both in Europe. Still there is no better alternative IMHO.

@wolfgangpreier9160

Жыл бұрын

@@EforElectric We have by far more AC chargers than Superchargers in Europe. Still Model Y sells better than all others. Only Fiat 500E comes near.

Enjoyed this video but there are a few that are definitively not in the same category, Hyunadai Kona, Polestar 2 etc but what is great is to see all the new models that are coming out.

@EforElectric

Жыл бұрын

Alternatives are not the same as categories

@lesterng5748

Жыл бұрын

@@EforElectric You forgot the Model 3 as a alternative .

Always fun to watch your content.

The recent comments of the UK Kia president said it all… the long wait times has little to do with huge demand or supply issues… he clearly stated it’s a marketing strategy to keep the prices high. After all, most BEV manufacturers in US, EU and CHina are losing money on these things… so no hurry to sell them. After all, weren’t these guys the “big boys” coming for Tesla?! Weren’t they supposed to massively out produce Tesla?!

Amazing detailed video thank you!!!🎉

That Jeep Avenger looks sick. And I'm sickened that it's not being sold here

The one that you despise the most is my favorite. 6:59 it’s the most practical of all the bunch. It has space and the interior design is fantastic. I had my first car in the seventies and this one reminds me of it…

@garyco766

Жыл бұрын

I really like what I've seen of the Ioniq 5, but being ineligible for the tax credit makes in a significantly more expensive option, and you don't get the Supercharger network. But it's still an option worth considering.

Tesla could make a hatchback for around 20k and destroy its competitors

Great video!❤‍🔥

Curious if you track all repair capabilities of the different manufacturers. The ID4 problems says NO to VW, worry about Tesla if the car breaks. Would nice to actively track these manufacturers and punish them when they suck.

I’ll stay with my Model Y LR, getting ready to get a second one; this time getting the performance Model Y for myself (My wife can stay with the LR)

Alex, Can you clarify what you meant by “moving on from Tesla to less abusive relationships”?

@CNile-se9xw

Жыл бұрын

Not being screwed over by Elon. Ditto Rich Rebuilds. But hang on, they both have a sense of humour & ELON DOES NOT.

None of the alternatives has the same range as Model Y and the ease of charging in US. If the price stays as is in additional of the $7500 credit than nothing can beat Tesla at this time. Maybe in a couple years the charging and range might be better for all other brands in US.

Seems like your tubes have become more electric since getting to Houston. Thanks for keeping us informed.

@EforElectric

Жыл бұрын

This place makes my soul smile :-)

@jondvapidest5520

Жыл бұрын

@@EforElectric Could you give us an update about Houston life and what you're liking there?

@danharold3087

Жыл бұрын

@@EforElectric Glad you found someplace in the US that suites your soul! Are you staying ?

Nice to see you uptalk the ID4 on overall news.

@danharold3087

Жыл бұрын

Went from detesting ID 4 to talking it up. VW group recently stopped shipping heat pumps because the were not pumping heat. See Monroe and Associates vid for that one.

@ashleysilva7414

Жыл бұрын

@@danharold3087 Yeah - he can't make his mind up. Butt hurt.

@danharold3087

Жыл бұрын

@@ashleysilva7414 Does not fit the narrative.

Especially with the recent price drops, the Model Y is hard to beat for anyone wanting to road trip in an EV these days. If you have an ICE/PHEV for that, then sure, any EV will be fine for local errands and commuting - especially for home owners. However, the Supercharging network is far better than anything currently out there. I know that EA is trying to work on this - but I don't see this changing in the next 5 years unless Tesla opens up their own network to others.

@CNile-se9xw

Жыл бұрын

The prices dump was introduced so that they'd sell after Numpty Musk pissed everyone of with his Twitter BS.

@JasonTaylor-po5xc

Жыл бұрын

@@CNile-se9xw Does it matter? Elon is welcome to continue to play Twitter Troll all he wants if that means the cars come down in price. LOL Twitter has always been a dumpster fire, replacing one set of trolls with another doesn't really matter that much. Also, I think the IRS rulings on what qualifies for the tax break has something to do with the price reductions.

@CNile-se9xw

Жыл бұрын

​@@JasonTaylor-po5xc I have no clue of tax incentives in the US (I'm an Aussie) & your point is very relevant. 👍 On that basis, tweaking the Model Y price-point seems strategically sound, as it's the best selling model in the range. I still think it's reasonable to wager that Elon's Twitter B$ has pissed off a lot of investors & loyal followers. In the more expensive Tesla range customers are cancelling orders & looking for luxury alternatives which would hit the hip pocket. Apparently, Tesla sales in China have tanked. I'm not sure what sparked the outrage, but I vaguely recall a Chinese protester dancing on the roof of a Tesla at an exhibition. To Elon's credit, his Twitter train wreck has opened a lot of people's eyes as to how dumb, & flat out despicable he really is.

@JasonTaylor-po5xc

Жыл бұрын

@@CNile-se9xw I suspect I hold a very different point of view. Sure, have some investors and customers looked elsewhere? Really only activist liberals are really up in arms about Elon. Elon has actually done some good by exposing some of the hyper-left nonsense and censorship that happened before at Twitter. When 99% of your workforce shares the same political ideology, a certain level of group think is expected. While you might strongly disagree with is political views, if someone can catch rockets in mid-air, clearly they are not dumb.

@CNile-se9xw

Жыл бұрын

@@JasonTaylor-po5xc I repeat, I know nothing about US politics, nor do I care. What I do know is that Elon jumped ship & has gone Republican. Investors haven't pulled out or gone elsewhere, but are mightily pissed off that Elon screwed them over with his massive stock sale (he's also borrowed) to help fund his Twitter obsession. You raise the point that Twitter was staffed by people of the same political ideology but shoot yourself in the foot by totally ignoring the fact that anyone who disagrees with ELON gets FIRED. That could be that 100% remaining employees are on board, or they put up with his crap because they need a job to pay bills. You've outdone yourself in your last sentence. Elon is NOT AN ENGINEER & would be spotlighted as a fool if he didn't have space engineering experts to make SpaceX possible. There's an anecdotal story where Elon went to Russia, hoping to win them over to give him access to their rocket tech. The result? An engineer spat on him & called him a fool. 😳

Just purchased a Ariya Venture + couldn’t be more happier with. Not a Elon fan. Epa is 304 getting around 340 electric miles

Thank-you for telling me Y the Tesla modle Y is a good selling electric vehicle.

Alex, When will make an update video (USA list), of Tesla Alt's, with a US tax credit (if applicable) ? Thx !

Good video. But you didn't mention the FISKER OCEAN.

I’m digging the move Cadillac has been making😂 I reserved an AWD Lyriq…. hopefully it doesn’t horn me; like your launch edition iD-4 did to you

You forgot BYD, SAIC, GWM, Geely, NIO, XPeng, Zeekr …to name A few brands of Chinese EV’s being sold in Europe

@LaowaiDaveJCP

Жыл бұрын

Not coming to the US and promoting Chinese sh*t is not in American interest

Disco music while designing ha! Hilarious true.

@maryannrondinella5680

Жыл бұрын

Many reviewers have raved about the Ioniq 5 but I can't get over the odd way it looks. But my nearest Hyundai dealers can't keep them in stock - they sell within days after arriving! I'm eager to see the Ioniq 6 sedan.

Thanks for your channel Alex, very informative and I guess KZread algorithm pop up in my feed. I have been considering jumping on the EV wagon for a second vehicle. One vehicle in my household will always been a gas combustion/hybrid or gas combustion. I lived in CA many years and I understood the fascination with these vehicles, but the price range was out of range for me. I returned to Florida for many reasons after my long career in CA and one item here that EV manufactures have not been able to resolve and its not talked about and hushed about is our hurricane season. Just recently with Idalia and also Ian hurricanes we literally had Tesla models or other EVs suddenly because of flooding or salt corrosion of the rain, the engines burst into flames and engulfed the entire vehicle destroying them. Firefighters department can not suppress these fires with water, it is a chemical fire and hence they now have to have special solvent with them to suppress these kinds of fires. Let’s not even get to the environmental contamination- that is another story. Additionally, these vehicles are worthless - paperweight when our electric grid is down. For this reason, I am not going 100% EV and will never until EV manufacturers are able to really get a hold of this problem. So you have a car that is insolvent and a power grid that can not sustain a hurricane, hence it is still up to diesel or gas combustion to literally gets out of an emergency.

I still like the look of the Iconic 5.

@gzman1

11 ай бұрын

ya the 6 looks small

Thanks

Guess that Good User Interface works. Thanks Alex

Your information about 2 yrs of charing for Audi Q4 e-tron, is that for EU? I have bought my and you and only get 250 kwh at EA. The only one from Audi that gets free cjarging is the e-tron GT.

Looking forward to a mature EV market that has completely replaced ICE, with many compelling models in every category and price range. This video shows we're getting there! Still need to ramp up production massively and not many manufacturers are doing that (and I mean *actually* doing it, not just claiming that by year 202X they'll be selling X million cars while there's no ground being broken on new factories to achieve that goal.)

@mistersecret88

Жыл бұрын

You must be fun at parties

@truhartwood3170

Жыл бұрын

@@mistersecret88 I can make statements that are relevant to the conversation, so that certainly helps.

@mistersecret88

Жыл бұрын

@@truhartwood3170 sure....

@truhartwood3170

Жыл бұрын

@@mistersecret88 I'm also reasonably good at comebacks. Better than some anyway.

@mistersecret88

Жыл бұрын

@truhartwood3170 sure. Wait till everything goes electric and the government controls you by cutting the power and there are no alternatives. Right.

Very good video, and a lot of information. Wish to have some more asian brands

MB EQB 300 looks decent (but none of the dealers have it, they all are pushing 350 for way more money).

It's a pet peeve of mine that people use the word "cheaper." Cheap means inexpensive and cheaper means even more inexpensive or, worse than that, of inferior quality. So why use the word "cheaper" to describe something that is relatively expensive at a lower cost. Better to say "cost less" or "lower cost" than "cheaper." But it seems a lot of people say "cheaper" now.

There are a ton of options rather than the MY, but you also have a good chance of buying into a product that will be in bankruptcy soon. None of the options can build to scale.

The BIGGEST problem with the ID4 is having to buy it from a VW dealership. They might just be lower than creek slime.

A nice presentation of all the "Competition" to the Tesla Model Y. I'm no Tesla Fan-Boi, however with the quality, price charging Network, the Tesla will continue to be the default choice, especially when the 4680 Battery system debuts in the new 2023 Model Y's and other vehicles.

Why you didn’t include Fisker Ocean? Can you do a review on the Ocean?

So... still a ways to go before these things are really ready for prime time...

My wife is interested in the polestar for next year!

We have a Mache GT and love it! The blue cruise is amazing, love the looks, super fast.

@davidlemieux615

Жыл бұрын

It may just be the GT or maybe the American versions of this “not made in the USA” model but up here the local reporters who originally loved the Mach e are no longer recommending it due to serious issues… mind you, all Fords are having quality issues as per recalls AND the very words of the Ford CEO… btw, I appreciate a ceo capable of seeing problems and who is willing to address them. Elon might learn a lesson or two and especially Mary B!

30+ alternatives on the market right now, but good luck finding one.

Great job Alex it’s good to see the variety of body styles all looking like new vehicles not seen before. Other than Tesla’s charging network there’s no other real,appeal they all look the same for 10 years and no plans for a facelift, once CCS is over their growing pains and Tesla opens up their chargers and the dealers install their charging infrastructure all will be good, the big appeal of an EV anyway is to charge at home for practically nothing.

Thank you for that extensive list if sexier and cheaper alternatives to model Y. I just want to say that while there are many sexier alternative EV channels, none is cheaper than yours.

@danharold3087

Жыл бұрын

Oh that is harsh Mr C LOL

@MrCPPG

Жыл бұрын

@@danharold3087 Only a Russian like Alex would get it.

I still will wait for the better batteries on EVs in the US market and use my old gasoline car this year.

My local Hyundai dealership is marking up Limited Ioniq 5’s by $7,000 and my local Kia dealership is marking down EV 6 Gt line by $2,000. So if I was buying right now I’d choose the EV6 over the I5. Hopefully Hyundai dealers will eventually have to lower their prices. The ID4 seems like the best choice as you can still get a federal tax break on it, but Volkswagen made so many dumb choices with the infotainment and other controls. I wish I liked the Model Y, but I just don’t. And then there is the foul odor that Musk leaves behind too. I’m going to wait.

Model Y is more of an MPV than a crossover/suv. It has a huge trunk. None of these alternatives has at least 500 litres trunk space :(

@gzman1

11 ай бұрын

ya golf clubs are essential I hate putting them in the back seat

Only if you can't afford a Y. Still the best value EV besides the 3. (I couldn't afford the Y, so I bought the 3). GV60 would be the best alternative, but it is expensive in my country.

keep on building, I'll keep on waiting.

First off moving to an EV from gas is STILL a big thing for a lot of people, I can’t move to any other EV knowing the battery issues and charging infrastructure being so bad and so less compared to Tesla. Unless the charging structure becomes good and I get out of spec Kyle’s approval, I would never ever think of going to another EV other than Tesla. If can’t have an EV I’d rather go back to using gas car.

Nice video. Couple of points. The Hyundai/Kia/Genesis cars are good. However, their fit and finish quality makes Tesla seem like top-notch. I owned a Kia Sedona and my mom has a Kia Sportage. Both cars have terrible fit/finish items. I'm honestly surprised people like the Model Y. That car made my neck and back hurt after only driving it for ten minutes. I liked the id.4 and it was on my short list. I did see my first BZ4X at a charging station this week.

@benjaminsmith2287

Жыл бұрын

I think the Model Y is terribly overrated overall as a car. It's a great EV but a so-so car for the price.

@KaiPonte

Жыл бұрын

@@benjaminsmith2287 I do wish my Mach-e had a "dog mode" like the Tesla cars do.

@danharold3087

Жыл бұрын

Tesla makes it's own seats. I think they are on the 3rd iteration. But some body shapes do not work in some seats. I have a wide back and can't drive in cars built for narrower ones.

Wait…so a lot of these vehicles are hard to buy at msrp, not on the market yet or have been built in very low quantities thus making them unavailable and some how these are “real world” options vs a Model Y? You’ve had a terrible time with your Id.4 but still endorse them? I would recommend a Tesla to a new EV buyer on the basis of easy to buy at the listed price, have mature tech in their cars and easy charging. Having a good experience is worth something in my book.

Why didnt the ID4 just uploaded the software improvements? Why woukd there be 2 diff cars so soon

As always, the best EV news and stories in the universe.

EV6 is a good looking car IMO

@LlyleHunter

Жыл бұрын

I’ve been in it and it’s incredible

The leasing loophole is bullshit

You missed the mg 4 and mg zs ev

No mention of Fisker Ocean?

Why will the Equinox and Blazer not qualify for the tax credit? They will be assembled in North America which is the requirement.

@davidwillims2004

Жыл бұрын

according to GM they are suppose, but, that cant determined till the government looks at sources, and i think both are made Mexico, that doesnt mean they wont quailfy (its north american production. not just the US)

Let’s see higher prices, no IRA rebate and saddled with the CCS network. Nope, when choosing, can’t be anything but Tesla.

Vinfast is in the lead now,what a car!

Sexy? I do not buy cars by looking for sexy ones. Cheaper, YES, sexy NO! Question: Why do you say ID-4 is good after all the problems you have had. I am not sure they have fix their problems.

@tenzinpassang4812

Жыл бұрын

and no more heat pumps. brutal charging station experience. laggy software. List goes on and on.

So are there any EV's around $20k - 23k new?

My favorite EV alternative to model Y is a Hybrid. I still haven't converted.

All of these cars are Model y substitutes that come with a healthy dose of buyer's remorse. Thesemodels, like your ID4 are EVs that owners get, and then 'graduate' to Teslas. I began EV-ing with a Leaf. Seemed dandy, at first. Now it's - Ick!

@davegenet

Жыл бұрын

Let’s hope Tesla won’t remain the only good option out there. I am sure it will not.

@wolfgangpreier9160

Жыл бұрын

@@davegenet I don't see contenders. Do you see any?

@davegenet

Жыл бұрын

@@wolfgangpreier9160 If I had to buy an EV today it would a Tesla. But I’d probably prefer a car with a sunroof instead of a glass roof (I live in Arizona). Different decisions on some design features. Better overall quality. Etc. Not even Tesla thinks they’ll be making the only good electric cars. Many people are going to choose other EVs for many reasons. And there’ll be many good ones to choose from.

@wolfgangpreier9160

Жыл бұрын

@@davegenet "Not even Tesla thinks they’ll be making the only good electric cars. " Of course NOT! Tesla does not make cars. Tesla makes the factories and processes, the batteries and supply chain to make and feed those factories making e.g. cars, batteries, PV, Software to use all of those etc. And still there is no contender out there for their cars. I got a Fiat 500E Cabrio Rose Gold. For wifey of course. Wonderful to look at. You can open the roof. But its a bad EV and a worse car to use every day. I watch the EV market every day since 2018. Sometimes it seems that a new competitor arises and gives Tesla a run for their money. Nio, XPeng, Lucid, Porsche, Lightyear, Ora, BYD. Weeks and months later we can see its only a storm in a teacup. Sad.

@davegenet

Жыл бұрын

@@wolfgangpreier9160 It is sad and the competition has been slow but it’ll get there. I drove a BMW I4 and liked it. But since it wasn’t a bespoke electric (electronics crammed into an ICE) I didn’t get it. I think you’re right. Tesla doesn’t really make cars.

Some of these cars you are saying are Model Y alternatives aren't in the same size range or type of car. The Y is a crossover. The Leaf is much smaller. The Polestar 2 is more Model 3 sized than Model Y sized. It's a much smaller car and more of a sedan and not a crossover. And some are in a different category altogether, more mainstream or more luxury than the Model Y which is in its own weird category of not really luxury but considered premium due to features and tech.

@EforElectric

Жыл бұрын

I addressed it in the beginning of the video. These are not identical type of cars but these are alternatives, in some cases these are electric cars in the same price range or ones who appeal to the same type of a customer. Get it?

@OweEyeSea

Жыл бұрын

@@EforElectric To Benjamin's point, that's not quite what you said, "... but there are actually 32 other similar EVs in size, price, and features - just to the Model Y that are on the market right now, or are going on sale in the US and Europe." But as he points out, the Model Y "is in its own weird category" so direct competitors may be hard to find. Still, calling some of these "alternatives" is like saying tofu is an alternative to a good Rib eye steak. I may love them both, but nobody is going to suggest tofu when the butcher is out of Rib eye. Many of the 32 models are great general suggestions for an EV, if you can find them. But only 3 or 4 of these would I suggest to someone that was considering the Model Y over the other Tesla models. Some have enough "concerns" I wouldn't recommend them to anyone.

Wouldn't say that all the alternatives are a pick instead of Tesla Y. For example Polestar, not even close to the trunk volume. The range as well. Otherwise a interesting video, good job 👍🏽

Hello, I would like to buy an electric car and I am looking for a vehicle that has 4-wheel drive, hatchback, efficient, long range (350 miles minimum), good quality. What do you recommend ?

Based on your experience with the VW ID 4 and Tesla. I'll keep letting others be the guinea pigs with EVs. I do not know why these car companies do not accept their inadequacies and ask Google and Apple to help them with their OS. Only Lucid was smart enough to incorporate Android Auto and Apple Carplay.

Try out the BYD

The Mach E - if you can find one - is the vehicle to buy while it qualifies for the full credit. One of the best options on the list and the price with credit can’t be beat. The iD4 would also be a great pick IF the software worked. But it doesn’t, so it’s a non-starter.

@dchow007

Жыл бұрын

totally with you on the ID4. Ordered and ID4 pro S summer. After months if waiting, was informed the car will come from Tennessee. Okay, great, will get the tax credit. Then you find out they took out the heat pump. What else did they strip from the European ID4? Software fix?... no that still not addressed. Didn't feel like paying $50K for a lemon. I have a Tesla model 3 for our first EV, the second one will not be a Tesla. The ones I'm considering are not available due to low supply or $15K markup. Called VW and asked if I can order one from Germany...her response was we'll be happy to help you cancel the order.

@danharold3087

Жыл бұрын

@@dchow007 Keep in mind these are the people who brought us Diesel Gate and Electrify American. A fine lineage indeed.

@loriallen67

Жыл бұрын

@@dchow007 you made the right choice. And the IRS just raised the limit on the Mach E so it will qualify. But you have to find one. 🤦🏼‍♀️ We have 2021. Waited 8 months on it but glad we got when we did. Got full credit.

Alex, you've been an EV owner for many years and regarded as very knowledgeable about most aspects of EV's. I believe that you have totally missed the most important aspect of buying an EV. Taking info from your good friend Tom's video, you fail to inform prospective EV purchasers of the pitfall in buying non-Tesla vehicles. You see it's all about infrastructure, being able to conveniently charge your vehicle when needed. Other manufactures don't seem to be too concerned about infrastructure and the problem will get a lot worse in the coming months. The result is that many new buyers of EV will eventually be turned off by the lack of available charging facilities. I am a 5 year Tesla owner and I feel sorry for those purchasers who invest all their money in Non-Tesla vehicles. I believe it will take five years for EV charging to reach the level of Tesla's. It takes a lot of money to build infrastructure and Tesla has done it right way.

@KaiPonte

Жыл бұрын

I couldn't see myself suffering by owning a MY. I have had the Ford Mach-e for the past four months. On the occasion I charge outside the home, I've had zero issues finding a working charger.

@stanacho854

Жыл бұрын

@@KaiPonte Hi Kai, I'm happy you made the change to an EV. The real test for an EV, if it's ever going to take hold, is the availability of chargers. My suggestion is to take it on an interstate holiday and assess how convenient charging really is. I can tell you that in the Tesla world, I've seen the number of Tesla vehicles charging quadruple in the past two years and luckily with that, I have seen an abundance of charging stations being built.

@KaiPonte

Жыл бұрын

@@stanacho854 I’m sure Tesla has more chargers. I live in Los Angeles and have only taken my Mach-e to San Diego (about 200 miles round trip). Of course, with apps like PlugShare there is mo issue finding chargers here. I also enjoy being able to use the HOV lane for commuting. I still drive my 200,000 mile Lexus SC400 when I want to have fun.

Have you read the Vinfast reviews? Massive problems. You also forgot to include Byton. ;-)

I love you. Alex, however, none of these cars come close to a model Y. I'm a Tesla owner and I see that Elon only cares about the customer that hasn't bought a tesla yet and doesn't give a flying flip about those who have bought a one, but all the other ev are pale images of the value provided by the Y or 3

For the European market you forgot to mention: MG MG4 SsangYong Korando e-Motion CUPRA Born Renault Megane E-Tech XPENG P7 NIO ET5

How come Fisker Ocean didn’t make the list?

Then why don't you trade in your ID 4 which you said a headache with the Mustang Mach e if you think it's better than a Model Y?

@EforElectric

Жыл бұрын

Because I'm heading out of the country for a while in a couple of months