Just a big note, Atraxa has at least one tornament top 8 in literally every sanctioned format she is legal in, often 5-15 of them. She's long past "experimentation" and has been competing with Grislbrand for "Best thimg to cheat into play"

@gabrote42

5 ай бұрын

This is a control win condition tier list. How many of those are in control decks? Reanimator/Sneqk&Show/NaturalOrder don't count for this list.

@superbaas8822

5 ай бұрын

@@gabrote42 Consider that they generally will have a partial control plan after getting her into play, it's reasonable to say they count for the list. It's much like trying to discredit Teferi Hero of Dominaria's ultimate, as it was primarily reached in "Turbo Fog Nexus", which many could control a combo deck.

@Xoulrath_

5 ай бұрын

​@@superbaas8822I'd have to agree with you on non-control decks becoming psuedo-control as needed with the right cards. I've got 5C homebrew for Modern that is essentially a tempo combo creature deck that can shift to a more control oriented role as needed. Those types of cards are typically the ones like Atraxa that have solid stats and abilities for combat, while also having another ability that can be abused.

@JalebJay

5 ай бұрын

There's also Vintage Oath, which has given up on all of the other creatures it used to play, and slaps 4 of her in the deck.

@noneofyourbusiness4133

5 ай бұрын

This is the largest failure of this list

The other really important thing about Shark Typhoon cycling is that it *isn't a spell*. This means in control mirrors your opponent cannot counter it; if that's the only form of interaction they have left, it can win the game purely due to this. This is most of how it's used in older formats; the combination of X-cost and instant speed produces ridiculous versatility and the drawn card means it's hard to answer without giving up a two for one.

You had me at 'an aggressive, high-end creature like Serra Angel'! Man, those were the days. I had to run Melesse Spirit because only the cool kids had Serra Angel's 😂

I want to personally thank you for sparing us any “intro” to your videos. 💯 👍

Sad my favorite Control Win Condition didn't make the list, Control Win Condition

@stigmaoftherose

5 ай бұрын

"We can neither confirm nor deny which Mark wouldn’t keep track of his turns every single time he drafted this card. Every. Single. Time. There are like twenty Marks in the studio so it’s no use guessing. But he knows who he is." Love these types of rules text.

I disagree with #1 I think the #1 win con in a control deck is destroying your opponents will to live But we can agree to disagree

@chazzitz-wh4ly

5 ай бұрын

Playing a game to keep your opponent from playing the game. A classic win con.

Thank you on furthering my knowledge of Magic, the game I still haven't played.

Presently, (IMO) Atraxa is probable doing the most damage in Vintage were she is probable the best (if not the Best) Oath of Druid payoff.

Amazing!!! Happy new year!🎉

12:37 I loved sharkstill back in the day. Now it's digeridoo

Maybe it's only relevant in MTGA Brawl, but I was expecting Hullbreaker Horror on this list.

Atraxa has effectively replaced cards like Emrakul and Grisselbrand in older formats as the premiere threat to cheat out or reanimate. Shes crazy

I will now use Army in a Can to describe a card in any game that repeatedly generates bodies

Surprised I didn't see wafo tapa's favorite cruel ultimatum

Aetherling FTW

no Ugin or Ulamog is strange here, same with no 3feri who's much better than his 5 mana version. I don't know any crontrol shells that would play kaldra or forth eorlingas over those staples.

The #1 card: So good it came off its own internal ban list to be in the #1 spot again. And... "Caterhoof" "Stormforge" We know by now, but still...

I don't think the point of Jace is to use his ultimate as the video mentions but rather a crazy amount of card advantage/filtering especially with fetchlands, the game (barring loyalty counter manipulation with something like double season) is well over usually if Jace gets anywhere near 12 loyalty

Surprised monastery mentor didn’t get a mention

I really like your videos, but I wish you would slow down with production a little bit. I see so many little mistakes which makes me think you guys don’t even do multiple takes.

Another useful way of using Shark Typhoon is if you have lots of mana you can cycle it at your opponent's end step to make one big shark token and close out the game with it

@lesternomo6578

5 ай бұрын

This is the way it is mostly used also, you have to be really crushing in a game with no real pressure to be able to tap out for shark typhoon hard cast with a grip that you can use to immediately start making tokens. Rate +2 for a scaling instant speed flier that draws a card is what makes typhoon great

@ForeverLaxx

5 ай бұрын

Especially since they wouldn't be able to counter you doing that in a control mirror. Without any unsummon effects, which are rare outside of tempo-based control, that can often just end the game right then.

@TheEmeraldboy100

5 ай бұрын

Even at X is 0, it can just be cycled as a new card. In fact, it's cycled more than it's cast

Also, don’t forget that Uro was also banned in standard

@Xoulrath_

5 ай бұрын

Well yeah it was an enabler for Omnath.

wait, duel logs has a magic channel?

Mass Mind Control is my favorite Win Con mostly because it’s so bad it’s funny

Forth Eorlingos is such a good card it’s The reason i finally started to play legacy delver

@Kyouto_Clips

5 ай бұрын

Wait Jeskai Delver is a thing??

You made the point that Narset doesn’t close out the game by herself, but the same can apply to Teferi. Yes getting a wheel effect with narset is back breaking, and ultimate Teferi is really good, I thought about “Win Conditions” as cards that either bring your opponent’s life total to 0 or milling them out. At least Jace could mill them out with his ultimate.

@hagenlala6409

5 ай бұрын

You are incorrect. Hero Teferi does win by himself. He exiles all opponent permanents and then sets up a lock where your deck only consists of 1 (or 3) Teferi .You draw your Teferi every turn, exiling one thing the opponent played (first landdrop presumably), cast him and then have him tuck himself back into the deck. The win condition is natural deckout of the opponent. If you have 3 Teferis you can even exile 2 things every turn. That's a bit more involved.

@jaygray6381

5 ай бұрын

@@hagenlala6409 I didn’t even think about tucking teferi back into the deck to stop yourself from decking out, that’s amazing

Shark Typhoon is most certainly not played because you can wait to cast it lol. It's 99% of the time just cycled, even when you're trying to kill with it. It's good because it scales with your mana, cycling for 2, being a mid-sized blocker for a medium cost, or being a big beater when you have a lot of mana. Hard casting it comes up, but rarely, and it's a bit of a meme.

@Xoulrath_

5 ай бұрын

Literally the best part of Typhoon is its flexibility. Need to draw a card? Pay 1U, dump the Shark to the yard, and grab a card. Need a chump blocker? For a measly additional one mana, you get to draw the card while getting a 1/1 that even blocks flying. Short of Trample or Shadow, the token soaks the damage so that you don't have to. Gaining control of the game and need to start looking for a win con? Make an army of sharks while digging deeper into your deck for control cards. It never getting stuck in your hand and being useless is exactly why it can be such a great control finisher. Being able to run a playset means that you've got more access to it, and can close out games faster once you've taken control. It's easily one of my favorite options for a control win con.

@damo9961

5 ай бұрын

It's still the only wincon a control deck needs.

I'll be honest I don't think I've ever seen a shark typhoon be hardcast, it's always cycled

Casting Caldra Compleat for 7 Mana is fine too in a control deck i guess

You didn't put Thassa's Oracle in? Huh.

@ryanratcliff2726

5 ай бұрын

Thassa's Oracle is a win condition in combo decks, not control decks.

Some vintage decks got cheating atracsa to play as main wincon.

You mean Sharknado?

My favorite control archetype in mtg is superfriend. My favorite ones are The one that doesnt insta win The game, but put you way ahead, like ugin

Why do you need to equip Kaldra Compleat to anything? Yeah, it comes in with a germ token, that just means it's "only" a 5/5 indestructible first strike lifelink trampler with haste and what we shall lovingly refer to as "exiletouch" Even if 5/5 was a bad statline (it's not) the fact that it's indestructible renders the base toughness superfluous and the fact that it exiles anything it touches renders the power superfluous.

@joshuathies2540

5 ай бұрын

This dude is new to the magic realm from the sound of it

@Merlewhitefire

5 ай бұрын

@@joshuathies2540 As I understand it, this channel is actually run by a team, with different people writing the script, editing, and reading.

@ForeverLaxx

5 ай бұрын

You can still exile the germ token and cause Kaldra Compleat to "fall off," but I've found many people simply forget that's even possible. Then again, exile effects are rarer than destroy effects so... I did find it weird he tried to say the card was built around "14" mana cost. You can't judge all equipment spells by their total cost on first turn of use, especially when they create their own tokens to auto-equip to.

@Merlewhitefire

5 ай бұрын

@@ForeverLaxx True, plus anything that flickers KC resets it

Are you @hirumaredx ?

always annoying when i'm reminded jace was banned from standard. Not because I played him mind you. But because he along with stoneforge got banned ONE MONTH BEFORE THEY WERE GOING TO ROTATE ANYWAY!

@Xoulrath_

5 ай бұрын

Well you know Wizards has always been so on top of banning when needed, that we can forgive them this one time. 😂

@ForeverLaxx

5 ай бұрын

They had to wait until the required number of slayed wallets was reached before pulling the trigger. Something about wanting to "protect player investment/confidence" or whatever. We know the real reason, of course.

While I was expecting a lot of blue cards, I was expecting more of the other colors tbh. Blue certainly is known for control, but control decks exist in every color

Where's Oko?

@marknezanuto

2 ай бұрын

He is illegal basically everywhere and mostly use to elk opos staff, not to hit opo with elks

Kinda sad not to see Mirrex on the list

MEEEEEEEEEEEEOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWW

What are some of your favorite underrated cards?

Will ManaLogs ever pronounce Craterhoof Behemeoth properly challenge impossible

Top ten torture devices in mtg is what this list should be called

Hullbreaker Horror nearly always wins the game when it resolves in Brawl.

@alexandrevilnet3151

5 ай бұрын

Hullbreacher in brawl?

@snekula5353

5 ай бұрын

@@alexandrevilnet3151 Sorry hullbreaker horror I mean

What are overrated cards I should avoid?

I can't be the only one who immediately thinks of Idris Elba any time Teferi shows up in a video.

Ah yes, Uro, the card that died for Omnath's sins. He and Lurrus were such unneeded bans. I never lost to a Uro or Lurrus if I wasn't already losing.

While many of these are "Win Conditions", most of them aren't "Control Win Conditions" like the title claimed.

I dislike control so much. Nothing is more annoying than thinking you sat down to play Magic the Gathering and find out you're playing 'Ha ha you can't do anything' the Gathering instead. I remember one of the few tournaments I played one round I was against a control deck. The first 3 spells I played he countered. I wouldn't think Infiltrator's Lens, Ichor Wellspring, or Lead Myr were prime targets for counter spells. I ended up scooping the round, not going to waste any time on sitting there not doing anything for 40 minutes. It was the only round I lost.

@orshefer1467

5 ай бұрын

I think you hate counterspells, and I can certainly understand it. I remember players' faces seeing me landing an Island, not to mention two. I used to play mono green control, with life gain and card draw, and kill you with an entwined Tooth and Nail on turn 5. And no, it wasn't a combo deck, it was a toolbox. Mono Black is more known for that when Vampiric Tutor was allowed 4 of.

@ondrejprochazka8486

5 ай бұрын

Aww you make us all giddy with excitement to play against someone like you some time again 😘. With love, players that have a a bit of a control player in us muhahahhah

@cooltiger2439

5 ай бұрын

What if we started using chess timers in tournaments. You got 20 min and if your combo eats up 19 of those that's on you.

Ah yes, 10th place going to a card in a deck that has seen multiple top 8 plays in __LEGACY__ AND **VINTAGE.** it’s so amazing I expected it to be TOP ONE. It’s not an experiment, it’s THE best win condition. 14 life per turn cycle, evasion, massive draw, and enough power to end a game in 2 turns most of the time. Celestial Canode is beyond awful compared to it. I need to say… this list is a joke.

Can you make videos like this aimed at people who actually know the game? I feel like I skip through the majority of your content as its these elementary readings and long winded explanations of cards that have mostly been around for years. Makes it pretty hard to watch and listen to :(

@ForeverLaxx

5 ай бұрын

I think this channel is just an algorithm farming channel meant to generate passive income for a team of dudes too lazy to make anything interesting.