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@Jesusfreak79

3 ай бұрын

First comment

@Reaperguy67

3 ай бұрын

@@Jesusfreak79 no one asked if you are

@TimLoyalToWifeHaterFreeZoneA

3 ай бұрын

Love It WatchMojo.

@KalebKing88

3 ай бұрын

Like any adaptations, there are some things that work well for a particular media than most. Video game adaptations alter the story in order to fit the gameplay and gaming mechanics. Film/TV series work well based on the run time, budget, the script, the direction, what they are able to visually tell, creative liberties, the performance of the actors, and whatever the studio wants them to tell. Overall, books are the only adaptations that can go further in detail with the storytelling, character development, engulfing your imagination with its literary style, and they are not restrained by runtime.

@bignelly622002

3 ай бұрын

Worse.

"I don't like sand. It's coarse, rough and gets everywhere." - Anakin Dunewalker probably

@The_Legend47

3 ай бұрын

LMAO

@martinboyle9163

3 ай бұрын

LOL. ...But Paul didn't knock up his babysitter.

@hellbenderdesign

3 ай бұрын

"From my point of view, the Bene Gesserit are evil"!

@joshuacowling2237

3 ай бұрын

I Understood That Reference🤓😎

@dogloversrule8476

3 ай бұрын

Lol

I need the 4-5 hour Director's Cut for both films 😬

@Rob_F8F

3 ай бұрын

The theatrical release is the Director's Cut. Denis has repeatedly said that the theatrical cut has the momentum that he wants. Adding scenes would slow that momentum.

@rustythecrown9317

2 ай бұрын

@@Rob_F8F the theatrical release is crap.. fan fiction shouldn't be allowed in these cases.. do a good adaptation or stay away from the job.

@undercover_matin

2 ай бұрын

​@@rustythecrown9317try harder

@rustythecrown9317

2 ай бұрын

Cope more.

@thegood9

2 ай бұрын

Absolutely need a REAL directors cut with EVERYTHING intact and re-edited NOT for time.

The Villeneuve movies do make Paul a good man in that he refuses power until he has no other choice precisely because he knows what a monster he would become

@martinboyle9163

3 ай бұрын

Paul's also like that in the book, too. The brutal killing of his two-year-old son is what makes the reluctant hero go for blood so fervently.

@natzbarney4504

3 ай бұрын

Paul has a choice. Assuming his messianic role, manipulating the Fremen and using their fanaticism as a weapon is the only possible way to defeat the Harkonnens and the Emperor (a choice that obviously comes with the horrors of the holy war). But Paul has other choices, which involve giving up his vengeance and letting the Harkonnens win.

@broganatcanterburyrenaissa7169

3 ай бұрын

And that is in the book....

@iamthesayyadina

3 ай бұрын

Same as in the books. Paul constantly tries to be the good guy overall, (with some small payback.) But the problem is the future is horrific no matter what path he chooses. He just tries to choose the less horrific one while saving humanity.

@natzbarney4504

3 ай бұрын

@@iamthesayyadina Paul didn't choose the less horrific path (he could avoid the Jihad by renouncing his revenge - for example by leaving Arrakis to become a Guild Navigator, as he has a vision at one point). He chooses the path that allows him to use the fanaticism of the Fremens, their Desert power, to defeat his enemies and avenge his father, which results in making holy war inevitable. And Paul does not act at all to save humanity, on the contrary (if you talk about the Golden path he does not see it in the first book, it never enters into his motivations in the first book and when he sees the Golden path, much later, he rejects it - so that's not why he makes the choices he makes in the first novel).

Another HUGE difference between them is that Paul actually never meets the Baron in the books.

@1183newman

3 ай бұрын

Not huge as it has no direct input on the overall plot.

@adamphillips882

3 ай бұрын

Takong the kill from Alia makes her possession by him in children less impactful​@@1183newman

@rustythecrown9317

2 ай бұрын

you didn't read the book obviously... so much changed , and for what?.. the woke dei crowd that needs to be put out.

@Unknown00648

2 ай бұрын

@@rustythecrown9317you did not just call this movie woke lmao what because they didn’t have a possessed 2 year old kill someone? Bro I know you’re probably going through a hard time and don’t know how to express your feelings so you get on KZread and spew all kinds of stupid shit but I highly implore you to seek some mental care.

@GalCon99

2 ай бұрын

Woooow I never realised that until now

Dr. Yueh’s betrayal is not only hinted in the book, but also confirmed in the first few chapters.

@cprobr

3 ай бұрын

Right the Title of one of the first few chapters is Yueh the Betrayer

@Ricksterrrrrrr

2 ай бұрын

This is my biggest gripe with Denis’ adaptation. For those who didn’t read the book they might not even remember him as a character. Yueh’s betrayal was so well written. You are upset that he would betray the great Atreides house. You feel bad for him because he actually loves the Atreides but is a broken man that can only think of getting revenge on the evil Baron who tortured and killed his wife (which he is fully aware of btw!) In the movie you can get the impression he was duped by the Baron. He wasn’t. He was on a suicide mission with no hope of ever seeing his wife again. And finally, the lack of exposition on the Imperial Conditioning that Suk doctors go through (Absolute loyalty and will not harm others I believe). This makes the Atreides completely overlook Dr. Yueh as a possible traitor. The pain the Baron put him through breaks his conditioning. This added so much to the betrayal! I think Denis made a mistake excluding this in favor of better pacing. I think 10 more mins building this up would have brought so much more to the story.

@NekoHibaCosplay

2 ай бұрын

Not just that, they cut the fact that Yueh's betrayal came out unexpected because the Doctors of the imperial school are mentally conditioned to serve and do no harm to their master and yet the Harkonnen managed to make him break this oath And on a sidenote, both Paul and Lady Jessica actually blames and curse him even after they discovered his letter when he explained the situation.

@Ricksterrrrrrr

2 ай бұрын

@@NekoHibaCosplay yessir!!

@user-op7ib4ye6v

2 ай бұрын

@@RicksterrrrrrrIt would also serve to establish the Baron as a capable, devious enemy, instead of being a blob just floating around and greasing himself in the black goo all the time.

Thufir Hawat doesn't make an appearance in Part 2 but in the book he becomes the Harkonnen mentat, and works to sow distrust among the Harkonnens.

@elskeletor3566

3 ай бұрын

I thought that should of been in the film

@BPgamemaster12

2 ай бұрын

And he let himself die instead of attacking Paul once he learn he was Muad'Dib

@rustythecrown9317

2 ай бұрын

He was removed from the film because vilenoob is a hack.

@rustythecrown9317

2 ай бұрын

@@BPgamemaster12 he died in Pauls' arms.. kind of a big thing to kick out of a film... but fanfics are like that.

@bhardist1

2 ай бұрын

Yea Hawat's redemption moment was so good in the book. Can't understand why he was completely removed from part 2

The biggest difference is the movie largely ignore the Guild.

@robertkarp2070

2 ай бұрын

I agree, that's my biggest grievance, otherwise I like the movie. The Space Guild and Navigators are the most important aspect of why the Spice was so important and they pretty much just left them out altogether. So no people can only guess about what a was so important about the spice.

@hsckuhns

2 ай бұрын

I'm with you there. It's a huge part of the story. I'm guessing the scope of the movies isn't going to focus on that part at all.

@mollywoodshots6503

Ай бұрын

​@@robertkarp2070 In the beginning of the movie itself, spice is established as the resource used for Interstellar travel through film book exposition. Keeping that in mind, there is no guessing viewers need to do. The film itself isn't about any of that, it's about the dark journey of Paul who is a cog in the wheel set by Bene Gesserit

@robertkarp2070

Ай бұрын

@@mollywoodshots6503 Yes but they don't show what they mean by it so it's just empty words. At least in the original movie they show you what they mean be enabling interspace travel.

@mollywoodshots6503

Ай бұрын

@@robertkarp2070 The way it enables interspace travel has nothing to do with the plot or theme of the movie, so it's not really required. It would just turn out to be a world building filler that has nothing to do with the bottom line of the movie or characters.

I missed the part where Paul yells at Reverend Mother Hellen revealing he’s the Kwisatz Haderach and he will never do her bidding and she cries “Jessica what have you done!?”

@NewExile

2 ай бұрын

I'm still annoyed they took out the Gom Jabbar line. "I remember your gom jabbar, witch. Now you remember mine." It's a complete reversal of the power dynamic between them in the first book. Instead they opted for her parting shot at Jessica, "You of all people should know there are no sides".

@kuno3336

Ай бұрын

I think they condensed it down to "SILENCE" and her whispering "abomination!" Which in this context feels like "a Kwisatz Haderach not under our control is an abomination!"

@quentontylerdoan

Ай бұрын

​​@@kuno3336 "Abomination" was a reference to Jessica's daughter, Alia, because the Bene Gesserit consider anyone born with the Other Memory of all the Reverend Mothers an abomination

@kuno3336

Ай бұрын

@@quentontylerdoan in the book absolutely, but I meant in the film specifically, because she calls Paul an abomination immediately after he uses the Voice on her

@quentontylerdoan

Ай бұрын

@@kuno3336 I just rewatched it the other day, and when Mohiam says "Abomination," it immediately cuts to Jessica, which makes me believe that it really was directed at Alia. Sorry for the late response, I don't usually check my YT notifications

There are so many differences that have really changed the story 1) the was little to no mention about the Spacing guild or the stranglehold they had on transport. How in the end it was their capitulation to Paul, who had the ability to destroy the Spice was the true defeat of the Empire. Without the Guild transporting everything all of the empire would collapse and they were outside the control of the Empire 2) although the Fremen had their prophecy their main focus was on changing the ecology of Dune. That underpinned everything in their lives. It was in the hidden southern region that they were establishing their green ecology. All of this was driven by the ecologist and his father before him. There was no division in the goals of the Fremen, they wanted a green planet. 3) Paul and Jessica time with the Fremen was condensed from 5 years to less than 6 months which destroyed great parts of the story- from Paul relationship with Chani, to the formation of the Fredaykin beginning with Hanah’s sons who were Paul’s responsibility for a year and who Paul taught 4) Thufir Hawat was not in the second movie and he was a big character in the book and his refusal to kill Paul for the emperor was led to the duel 5) the book themes were about the abuse of power; religion, economic, political and military and the movie only focused on the religion 6) Chani in the book is not a militant, she was the daughter of Liet-Kynes and followed his teachings on the ecology as did every Fremen. It isn’t until the 3rd book that the militant Fremen started rebelling against Paul and the Atreides and returned to their roots 7) all the water that the Fremen collected was for the purpose of greening Dune and they knew to a decagram exactly how much they needed to achieve their goals which was the reason that they would not touch the water in storage 8) no Count Fenring and his involvement in both getting a Harkonnen child from Fade Rutha as well as refusing to kill Paul in a duel when the emperor was defeated 9) Paul’s way of fighting was not Bene Gesserit it was the culmination of all of his teachers, what the Bene Gesserit taught was muscle and nerve control. The tactics he used to defeat the empire and Harkonnen were gorilla tactics taught to him by Duncan Idaho and others including the Fremen. And it takes years to learn the Bebe Gesserit muscle control technique - like learning a martial arts 10) Chani doesn’t leave Paul in fact Jessica tells her that although the princess will be his wife the princess will be less than even a concubine. This adaptation is ok-good but it ends in a way that will be very hard to continue the story without even more issues. As a movie in itself it was a 8/10 for all the brilliant visuals as an adaptation of the book it get a 5/10. I would love to see Dune get the same treatment as Lord of the Rings, simply because of the scope of the story deserves it.

@timmcgrath9788

27 күн бұрын

I can't believe this hasn't received more likes.

In the book Liet Kynes, while dehydrated and dying, is killed by a worm. Also, the fight between Paul & jamis takes place in a sietch without stillsuits, which explains why Paul receives Jamis' water.

I wish they had explained how the personal shields reacted to Lasguns, thus explaining why sword and knife fighting was so prevalent and why the Harkonnen warriors turned their shields off.

My biggest complaint with both movies is the costuming; in the book no one wore armor. Shields made armor irrelevant. And, as is mentioned in the video, the emperor didn't want his involvement known, so the sardaukar work harkonnen uniforms.

@douglas2437

2 ай бұрын

With shields you use blades to fight and obviously armour defends against the blades. Herbert has a few holes in his creation tbh. I love his work beyond imagination but honestly you could write a small book about exploitable or questionable concepts in the books. There is nothing wrong with villeneuve gently correcting an issue here or there.

@brezzendorf

Ай бұрын

If emperor's scenario is for Atreides total annihilation, I think they don't need disguise since there'll be no witnesses anyway

No poison needle "I will bend like a reed in the wind." "History will remember us as wives." No mentats or spacing gild

@martinboyle9163

3 ай бұрын

TOTALLY!

@SpookyGroovyPolitoCatMum

3 ай бұрын

Right! Come to that where the hell is anything else in this book? Where the MENTATS?? Where is the spice the spices barely present anywhere! It's what changes Paul and awakens his sleeping gifts. Not the Water of Life the presence of spice and his bloodstream in the food in the air in the sand in the worm the worm is the spice the spice is the worm where the hell is that? And by the way in part two not even the worms are worth seeing it for

@SpookyGroovyPolitoCatMum

3 ай бұрын

Leaving out Letto the second is one of those intercal pieces of the story that is so important it cannot be dismissed or done without. Instead they hint that Johnny would die. And later was born a couple of years after Alia! And Alia never seems to get born. She's 5 years old when she kills the baron. Lynch did this so much better. Frank Herbert said that he loved what David Lynch was doing with his baby. Frank Herbert would never have approved this script he would never have approved this movie. You can pretty all you want to you can make special effects and Great Sand all day long when you change the very essence of the film dismissed the very heart of the story and alter the Messiah then you have done something incredibly incredibly wrong I am so disappointed so incredibly inconsolably disappointed in this film

@SpookyGroovyPolitoCatMum

3 ай бұрын

Whenever I watch some of these videos I find lots and lots of reasons to not describe subscribe to this channel. I was looking for what would be an obvious and honest review of both of the movies this in particular part 2 and this just isn't it. This isn't a review it's pandering.

@wormspeaker

3 ай бұрын

There's a mentat in like the first couple scenes of the first movie. There's a bunch of them in both movies they just aren't called out as such. The guild is also mentioned on multiple occasions.

The only thing I was disappointed with was the dynamic between Paul and Chani. I feel like if they don't have a way to bring it back to canon, the third movie is going to be completely off the rails lore-wise.

@robertkarp2070

2 ай бұрын

I think somehow they'll get it together. I've heard that the actress doesn't really want to be a mother in the story, I really don't think it would be a big deal if the actress was replaced with someone more friendly with the series.

@rustythecrown9317

2 ай бұрын

The ONLY thing?... it's a pile of trash ...you missed too much.

@bradmenpes809

2 ай бұрын

I agree. To delete one Leto II was expedient; to delete the second Leto II would derail the sequels.

@rustythecrown9317

2 ай бұрын

@@bradmenpes809 hopefully vilenoob is never allowed near them.

@oswiroa4973

2 ай бұрын

Paul literally said in the movie “she will understand in the end” he knows she will join him eventually 😊

Ok..ok..has this person even read the book?? Lady Jessica is very prominent and layered.

@bignelly622002

3 ай бұрын

For real! I was like what the heck is she talking about!? Jessica was a huge, complex, & extremely important character in the book.

@broganatcanterburyrenaissa7169

3 ай бұрын

​@@bignelly622002Thank you!! I'm not crazy

@bignelly622002

3 ай бұрын

@@broganatcanterburyrenaissa7169 she was also never a power-hungry ruthless person & was never an enemy of Chani! And don't even freaking get me started on what they did to Chani's character... 🤬

@MrSmokinDragon

3 ай бұрын

@@bignelly622002ITT: *A book-purists frothing rage*

@conayinka

2 ай бұрын

​@@bignelly622002 Chani's character in the book was the classic "good wife". Paul is very obviously using her people to wage war on billions which will kill thousands of fremen, yet she somehow doesn't care cause of "love". In the movies she tries to stop him from that path because of love, and actually has fuckin agency

The big mistake Nowadays female characters have to always be angry to represent the strength of women. Chani was a character in the book who accompanied Paul on his rise and became the mother of his children as a concubine, now Zendaya will have her own movie because she is Chani empowered. I'm fed up with this cliché in the service of the absurd politics of inclusion. I refer to Liet Kynes, who was put as an Afro-American woman being a male character in the original work, the change is unnecessary.

@ammarnapata2193

2 ай бұрын

Interesting

I loved the second movie, although a bit less than the first one. It's a good adaptation, but the Paul-Chani romance being changed this drastically has heavily affected the film, and possible sequels. I understand that the director went for a more explicit conflict between Chani and Paul, because the book is abundant with inner monologue and inner conflict, which of course we wouldn't be able to see on the screen. Book and movie spoilers ahead. I liked that Chani was given a more active role in the film, however it was at the cost of the portrayal of Paul. In the film, she opposes him and keeps him at arms length. She is distrustful. Again, its a nice adaptation given how Jessica was made to look much more manipulative, asserting Paul's position from within the Fremen society. But it makes it seem like she is just waiting to see if Paul will betray her and the Fremen, by abusing the prophecy to rise to power. She is defiant and critical of both Paul and Jessica in the film, whereas in the book she respects her as reverend mother way more than what is shown. The lack of the time skip, and Leto not being born (or killed), as well as Chani being present for the final confrontation are the main reasons I'm worried about their relationship and the direction of a possible sequel. Because their son isn't killed in the film, Paul is shown to have kinda betrayed Chani. She sees it as if he plotted it all out with his mother and Gurney. In the book, he really wants to avoid the jihad, but losing his son tips the scales. After their son dies, Chani understands Paul's decision to take revenge, and become emperor, which the film does not convey in that way- Instead, we are shown a scene with the atomic bombs, which is the trigger, the green light, that they can go to war. Lastly, the straw the breaks the camels back is the scene in the movie where Paul just walks in, insults the emperor, says he will take Irulan as his empress and become emperor himself, all the while Chani is present. In the book she isn't there, which is VERY important, because rather than be subject to his decision, as it is in the book, we are shown her reaction to this SECONDS AFTER he told her he will love her for as long as he breathes. But because Chani is built up to be more distrustful in the movie, she abandons Paul, instead of accepting this fact, although with much resentment. This becomes one of the most central plotpoints in Dune Messiah - Paul keeps telling Chani that he does not love Irulan, and keeps affirming his love to her constantly. Chani knows this, but can't help feeling resentful and guilty, especially because she can't get pregnant. The ending of the second film is a drastic showing of Chani's inner conflict. Instead of showing her as Paul's greatest ally, even in the face of betrayal and political machinations, she just runs away feeling betrayed.

@franesustic988

2 ай бұрын

Completely agree with the comment, loved the movie and many changes made sense for an adaptation, but everything about Chani was a bit off. I don't think they have much chemistry, and as you said, she is constantly at arms length and doubting him.

@TheLivingThanos

Ай бұрын

I think Dennis actually wrote and told the reason for this: Chani unlike the others is wary of Paul's power and doesn't support the Lisan-Al-Gaib prophecy they keep going for. He also mentioned that Frank Herbert wanted her to be more of a character who knows and doesn't just follow Paul blindly, but rather is wary of him and his ideals. Honestly I like this version of Chani more, she feels like a sad character who is clearly just manipulated for the sake of the Paradise that everyone hopes for and it also makes even more sense that because ultimately, that is what that all ways has been, Paul does bring war and Genocide to the Planet of Arrakis. I have faith Dennis, since he is a big fan of Dune books and I know that he will make a lot of changes in Dune Messiah so that it doesn't feel depressing

@franesustic988

Ай бұрын

@@TheLivingThanos not following someone blindly =/= being whatever the f*ck Chani in the movie was

The time span, it feels like it's only been a few months in the film instead of few years, and Lady Jessica is stil pregnant at the end.

@dannybonett8349

3 ай бұрын

Ya that was both weird and too forced for the time span that it is supposed to take for Paul to become MoAdib and then to fully become Madib. That bugged me a bit

@hsckuhns

2 ай бұрын

That baby celebrated it's 4th birthday in utero. She gonna be powerful AF when she emerges at 21.

I did not like how Chani took off in the end or how they left out that she was the daughter of Leit Kynes. I also thought it was an odd choice not to have Alia as a child. I guess we will see what they do with Chani as she has a very specific destiny that is pivotal in Dune Messiah.

@robertvermaat8949

2 ай бұрын

Seconded! One of the major unfortunate changes

@maximilianmaier3950

Күн бұрын

Chani's role was quite different overall compared to the book. Especially though her role I feel like the movie was a lot more blatant as a warning against fanaticism. While one could still see Paul as a typical hero at the end of the book, I think it would be pretty hard to do so after this movie. The warnings were there in the book too, of course, but a bit more subtle.

I saw Dune: Part Two in IMAX last night! It was the best movie I have ever seen in my life!!!! I will remember this theater experience forever! Everything about Part Two was absolutely phenomenal, from the story, to the acting to the incredible score by Hans Zimmer! This is honestly one of the best films of the decade, and one of my all time favorite movies!

@jackambrose2762

3 ай бұрын

Same. It was loud in the front seats tho. My ears will be ringing for the next 2 weeks.

@CodyFairlessLee

3 ай бұрын

I just saw it last night in IMAX and I agree with everything you’re saying. 😊

@alphabet2238

3 ай бұрын

As a film it was good. As an adaptation of the book, Dune: Part Two was terrible. The majority of the second half was like the fan faction of the 1984 version.

@Joker-fx6mh

3 ай бұрын

@@tzadik.oh hush. If it’s the best movies this person has seen then let it. Anyone can their own opinions even if you don’t like it. You don’t own their opinion buddy.

@alexandercaviedes2559

2 ай бұрын

@@tzadik. If you seek to play play the role of the snide intellectual, please get your spelling correct.

Sad there was no Count Fenring lol

@nelstar4676

3 ай бұрын

They did film scenes with him, but they were cut unfortunately. Denis Villeneuve says he doesn't like keeping deleted scenes but I don't care what he wants. He better release it or even better, a extended release.

@KJ-of6lf

3 ай бұрын

An almost Kwisaz Haderach. The Emperors assassin. Paul was unable to see him in visions.

No mention of the butlerian jihad. It would have been the root contrast point to emphasize dependence on spice which is caused by an anti-tech religious fundamentalism. that is the reason why bene gesserit is trying to build the most advanced human-supercomputer that would lead humanity out of the economic and political bottleneck. But it backfires just like the time when humanity wanted to build AI for the same reason and it backfired.

Just got back from seeing Part 2 and I have to say I doubt I'll see a more spectacular and thought provoking blockbuster this year, it's a masterpiece.

cant wait for Dune part 3 in 2028

@nguyentiensu3825

2 ай бұрын

😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

@themanwithnothingtolose

Ай бұрын

*2030

Uh you missed Duncan's death and the Guild navigators.

@martinboyle9163

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, kind of why the spice is important to everyone and the most important character in God Emperor Of Dune, but who cares, right? The movie had bald chicks and explosions! 🎇

@brycecarroll9665

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, there were no guild navigators, and it would’ve been cool if we would’ve seen them in the films.

@chrisinnes2128

3 ай бұрын

We should not see the guild navigators yet

@martinboyle9163

3 ай бұрын

@@chrisinnes2128???

@chrisx1138

3 ай бұрын

I can't wait to see Duncans in the sequels.

i would like that they tried to expand that universe. would love to dive deepe into the mythical aspects and for sure the galaxy it self. this is what i hoped we could get out of star wars with an well established world. but hey... at least we got dune and thx to all guys who take sci-fi stuff serious and make it feel organic. rly great movie experience

DUNE: PART TWO is a solid 8/10. Slow paced but great. Best of 2024 until now. The villain was great. And the finale was phenomenal.

Another thing that was cut was how Hawat survived the attack on House Atreides and was forced to work for the Harkonnens.

@MrFightstarter

2 ай бұрын

If I remember correctly he wasn't forced but rather convinced Lady Jessica was the Harkonnen spy, and not Yue, thus seeking revenge using the Baron as means to it, while the Baron feared his betrayal, keeping him in check with a poison for wich he keeps administring temporary antidote doses in Hawat's meals.

You forgot to mention that the costumes and sets from the 90s miniseries were sponsored by Quality Street chocolates..

Most of these changes made sense to me and nothing major seems to have been lost, besides maybe the dinner scene.

@AldrickExGladius

3 ай бұрын

you need to read the books again

@Jarviskun1

3 ай бұрын

Nah they really messed up with Chani not having a kid already because it’s a big issue for Paul that he can’t birth an heir with her.

@adamphillips882

3 ай бұрын

Most of the changes were generally fine for THIS story but makes alot in Messiah messy so I'm curious how they are going to adapt it when many of the plot lines have been changed

@tiberiancostal1358

3 ай бұрын

@@Jarviskun1 Chani was the bit I didn't like in this and the lack of depth to their relationship - without Leto's age when he is murdered, the length of the story felt very rushed - it was more than a few spice harvesters

@robertkarp2070

2 ай бұрын

Omitting the Space Guild and Navigators was a crucial part to explain why the Spice was important in the first place. That omission was a major part of the story that should have been included.

Liets sex change was the LEAST of the changes. But the death was extremely stupid!

@bobc4d

2 ай бұрын

Liet Kynes died during a spice blow . . in the book

No problem with chani leaving Paul at the end, I just hope it doesn’t complicate things for future movies, she’s the mother to Paul’s children in the book afterall who are important later on especially the Leto II

@Dularr

3 ай бұрын

Chani is already pregnant. She will have the children in the desert. She will return with her Fremen born children to take leadership.

@LucyLioness100

3 ай бұрын

If Villeneuve does get his last part out, he’ll definitely keep her fate intact. They already gave Paul the visions of what can happen to her

@Evil_Vegan

3 ай бұрын

"second Leto II" is wild

@chheinrich8486

3 ай бұрын

@@Evil_Vegan yeah if you inspired our favorite 40k emporer, you have to be wild😂

@jacobantony9033

2 ай бұрын

​@Evil_Vegan then he becomes a sand worm God

You should also do a comparison between the book and 1984 Dune and then 1984 Dune and 2021/24 Dune. Don't forget about the TV show to the book and then the TV show to 1984 and then the TV show to 2021/24. And all that is left after that is the old PC games and the modern games. But games are on a different channel.

@martinboyle9163

3 ай бұрын

My bro has the Avalon Hill board game of Dune. It's closer to the book than anything I've seen.

The two movies themselves were fantastic. Very stunning visuals, an out-of-this world environment, and an epic soundtrack by Hans Zimmer. Now here are some changes in which I like and dislike: I don’t care for the age appearance of the Emperor since he’s already an old man. And I agree, he is an old man, and as this video put it his book counterpart looks much younger like say he’s in his thirties biologically. Here, he’s old chronologically and biologically. With the soundtrack of the films, I like how they added the throat singing during the battle preparation scene on Salusa Secundus in episode 1 to indicate how strong-willed and ruthless they are but is actually a blessing for the soldiers to stay strong in battle. Some of the things I did dislike is that the mentats’ roles in the movies were lacking and not very fleshed out. Thufir Hawat of House Atreides appeared in some scenes and then was absent after the meeting with Stilgar throughout the rest of the film. Piter isn’t any better, for he pretty much doesn’t do anything at all except for when he just stands around in a few scenes and walks with the Sardaukar Bashar on Salusa Secundus on recruiting the Sardaukar to attack the Atreides. I was expecting Piter to kill Dr. Yueh like in the book, but instead the Baron does it. There were also no guild navigators present at all. Sure they were mentioned in the first movie, but they were never shown. In addition, there was a scene where Margot Fenring tested Feyd-Rautha with the pain box like Reverend Mother Mohiam did with Paul in which I didn’t mind at all. I was also very thrilled to see Anya Taylor-Joy being in the second movie as Alia since she’s one of my favorite actresses. I wanted to see her take on the Baron during the climax of the second film, but I was really bummed that it didn’t happen, but it was Paul that did it instead. In the books, she’s an adult inside the body of a toddler, whereas in the past screen adaptations were played by child actresses. So I’m now starting to get the feeling that the idea of having a toddler with the intelligence of an adult seems kind of silly. Even though I was upset that I didn’t get to see enough Alia, her cameo appearance was just the greatest out of any movie cameo. And when she looks into the camera (though addressing Paul), she says the words “I love you”, which hit really hard and stole my heart, and I got really emotional while thinking back at the scene that I saw. So now I’m very excited to see her in this version. Like I said, we may not have gotten enough of her in Part 2, but I really love to see her play a larger role in the sequel. In my honest opinion, I think she would’ve been cast as Princess Irulan since she’s my suggested candidate and also kind of looks like an Irulan. So back to Alia, she stole the show…for less than a minute that is. And also stated in this video that Leto II wasn’t even born during the movie (possibly to avoid having another child who may as well be Leto II II (Leto the second, the second)). So now I’m starting to see why and how they made these changes. There were some I approved and some I strongly disapproved. But if there’s a third film coming up, I hope it’ll be better than the first two films and I would like to see Alia playing a bigger part in the franchise.

I think the main reason the dinner scene didn't make the cut is that 90% of that scene in the books is told through thoughts. And the style of the book is that you get every character's thoughts. So there's a ton of subtext and things not said and nuances noticed that make it a great scene to read that would make it a really tough one to adapt without adding a lot of explanation. In addition to being a lot of the more local politics that don't end up being super relevant once the Harkonen's attack.

I have a love/hate relationship with the Chani/Paul relationship in the movie lol. Like, it sort of puts "he loves her more than she loves him" vibes out there, when I always felt their love for each other and Chani's support/belief in him was a massive part of him becoming Freman/Emperor. I mean she *book spoilers* gives her life to give him children because she loves him that much*end spoilers*. But on the other hand, I sort of also feel like "you reap what you sow" with her in the movie, she kept him at arms length, frequenly doubted him and distrusted him, kept saying she would fight for HER people (as though he wasn't also), kept pushing him not to accept power (when it would have freed her people all the sooner) and was so angry with him for his choices when he did everything to help the Freman and fight for their cause and in the end did what he had to do to free Arakis for the Freman, nearly dying to save HER people, and she slaps him and storms off and is angry with him. I sort of wish they *book spoilers* kept baby Leto in the movie, would have been a good turning point for her to be like "Screw the prophecy, screw the propaganda, screw everything, you do whatever you have to do avenge our son" or something.*end spoiler* But, then again, reminding myself they changed the timeline and it's not like over a year but less than 9 months and she has every right to be distrustful of an outside after such a short time, idk. 30 seconds of dialogue at the end of the movie where he reaffirms exactly what sort of "wife" Irulan would be to him compared to Chani would have been my preferred ending, but it was a fantastic movie regardless.

You left out the Fremen’s lack of water discipline & a potential Harkanon heir in Feud Raltha’s unborn child

@HistoryMovieCritic

2 ай бұрын

Yes they are frequently outdoors with their stillsuits open and cry.

@mollywoodshots6503

Ай бұрын

Didn't you hear Margot Fenring say "The Bloodline Is Secured"?

I have to say I like the first movie a lot more than the second. There was a lot of good stuff, but I really didn't like the direction this took the Lady Jessica and Chani more than any other change. Fayed was also weird. -I never took book Jessica as a self-serving villain like I did in the movie. -I am also VERY dissatisfied with the way Chani developed and split from Paul. Breaks several part of the the story.

Also, a lot more emphasis on Duncan Idaho. In the book, most of the buddy, buddy interaction/relationship was with Gurney

@robertkarp2070

2 ай бұрын

Dunkin Idaho played a much lessor role in the 1984 version. Duncan Idaho doesn't become a real thing in the story until the second book, when he comes back as a clone.

@jannavratil8460

2 ай бұрын

I think this was more thourgh a casting choice of Duncan, due to how much most ppl love Jason, althought Josh Brolin isnt bad either

They increased Jessica's role but flattened her character in the process. She isn't more layered. She loses her complications in the second movie and becomes pure Bene Gesserit.

@billiealexander3480

3 ай бұрын

I missed the tension between Paul and Jessica. Which was replaced with him and Chani I guess to simplify things but in the book it makes things to powerful to see them really struggling while she and Alia are trying to support him but in ways he resents. I think there was maybe 1 or 2 scenes it brushed in the movie but not nearly as prominent as the book makes it.

@MrSmokinDragon

3 ай бұрын

@@billiealexander3480LOL - there was plenty of tension between them in the movies, but you just chose to ignore it...

@raffi_veiga

2 ай бұрын

They never get Jessica right in the adaptations, it's annoying

@dragonofmordor

2 ай бұрын

The Dune miniseries did a decent job.@@raffi_veiga

I'd be curious to know why Villeneuve chose not to have Alia kill the Baron.

@Theaterg15

3 ай бұрын

Yeah I wonder that too like how they are going to pull that off if doing children of dune.

@rubalasuresh04

3 ай бұрын

Well casting a toddler and make her say horrible lines and action isn't very nice.. even if it is 1 kid, nobody wants to see a child in such way. I'm glad he cast an adult who knew what she's getting into. Dune is a tough read and watch even for adults. A kid in that set would feel very disturbed.

@aerochicc

3 ай бұрын

@@rubalasuresh04 Alia IS a disturbed character. Previous versions of Dune have tackled that issue. What she does is important to the story. That's why I'm curious about Villeneuve's take.

@mrcydonia

2 ай бұрын

I assumed that fetus Alia would take over Jessica's body briefly and have her kill the Baron.

@emanuelebresciani6281

2 ай бұрын

I was surprised by the departure from that part of the book when I was in the theater. It was fairly faithful until the last 1/2 hour. Well, one could argue that showing a 2/3 years murderer child is NOT ok in 2024, I suppose. Of course David Lynch didn't hesitate to do that 😂

11:07 Hints? Bruh it goes through Dr. Yueh's entire thought process from when the Baren ordered him to do it, to barely keeping it together while having a conversation with Jessica

Paul: I’m not the Lisan-Al-Gaib! Stilgar: I say that you are the Lisan-Al-Gaib, and I should know! I followed a few!

I watched both movies back-to-back and I actually liked them. Looking forward to the third.

@brycecarroll9665

3 ай бұрын

I do hope the third one will be better than the first two movies.

@dominiquepowell3158

3 ай бұрын

​@@brycecarroll9665agree

@bernardp.1299

3 ай бұрын

@@brycecarroll9665 Me too!

They also completely left out "The Weirding Way" that Paul learns & also teaches to the Fremen. In addition if I remember correctly Liet Kynes was also Chani's father that they completely left out.

@vincestapels2022

2 ай бұрын

That's true. I was surprised the Fremen didn't use the weirding way (let alone learn/train from Paul).

@bignelly622002

2 ай бұрын

@@vincestapels2022 Yup. I kept waiting for it but nope, that was one of there biggest & most unique strengths

@user-op7ib4ye6v

2 ай бұрын

Correct. The "Weirding way" was the actual reason Jessica and Paul got accepted by Stilgar and Fremen. Not the religious bits.

@bignelly622002

2 ай бұрын

@@user-op7ib4ye6v oh that's right! When they 1st meet & Jessica almost kills him! Before Paul fights Jamis. He calls her a "Weirding woman" or something doesn't he?

@bignelly622002

2 ай бұрын

@@user-op7ib4ye6v oh that's right! When they 1st meet & Jessica almost kills him! Before Paul fights Jamis. He calls her a "Weirding woman" or something doesn't he?

I think the biggest difference is that in the book Paul actually does see the future, whereas in the movie they portray it more as him playing a role

Liet Kynes is Chani's parent. Liet is almost godlike to the Fremen for the ability to change Arrakis through planetology; and in the book realizes that the worst thing that can happen is for a hero to appear.

Thank you I enjoy this showing the difference between novel and film. But Dune 1 and 2 are spectacular films . So I did not mind the change.

Jessica doesn't have much pressence in the novel? Duke isnt affectionate toward her? "Quote" concubine? If you actially read the book i dont know how you would have this opinion.

@bignelly622002

3 ай бұрын

Preach! They obviously didn't read the book lol

The fact that Alia was not born yet in Part II put both movies into very short time frame to include some more details about Pauls training to become one of Fremens, also training Fremes "The Weirding Way" and turning them into formidable army, unless future fiziology of women si different

The acting and cinematography the cinematography especially we're amazing But I don't think any of us sat down for 2 hours and 45 minutes to watch anything other than a story we loved And they change the story Turning into a film that I could have loved but only liked It wasn't bad but it wasn't Dune It was beautiful to look at which is better than what we get for most movies I'm trying not to complain but I would be lying if I said I wasn't let down

the biggest change is no weirding way. That is how they trained up the Fremen to beat everyone. In the film the Fremen could have beaten the harkonen anytime they wanted to.

I didn't like how chani became a fighter and didn't have the kid , i feel they changed the role of her purposely for zendaya to be like a girl boss type

Another big difference is no mention of weirding way in new movies. Old movies completely changed it. It was pivotal in Paul being first accepted by fremen and then in the fremen being able to defeat the Sardukar.

Why did you not mention the Sting played Feyd Rautha in the 1984 dune???!

Great movie. Really need to see it on the big screen. Last time I was wowed like this was the final Harry Potter movie.

"hes psychotic" another gem of hollywood dialog

It's good that the new movies don't have to deal with the oddity of two characters named Leto II. One of the characters in a later book actually mentions that the second Leto II should have been named Leto III.

How about in Dune 2, the Bene Gesserit telling the Emperor to kill the Atreides (which contradicts the first movie)?

The dinner scene would have been cool but I fell impossible to shoot.

I don't like that they took out Paul crying after killing Jamis. It is a huge piece of the puzzle how the Fremen came to respect Paul.

I'm upset that Liet would be snuck up upon in the desert itself by the Harkonnen. It seems so sloppy. Also I don't recall them establishing Liet and Chani's relationship at all and being the one to talk with Paul about his/her dream of a green Arrakis.

Sorry I don't get the last one, what are they saying is different between the books and movies?? They eventually get to the same message, right??

Woooaaa 😮how can you leave out the Mentat!!! Stephen McKinley Henderson couldn’t have been that busy with Beau is afraid or civil war!

I think some of these changes and additions came from the prequel books House Harkonnen/Atreides/Corrino.

04:45 Wasn't this water seller guy also in Dr. House? As the guy who's been in coma for years and House brings him back for a while so he could be an organ donor for his son?

Denis took a lot of the most gratifying subplots out (Jessica as a possible spy, Thufir Hawat and Gurney being turned against her through deception, etc.) and instead carves out time to make Jessica's character "stronger" (AKA a conniving protagonist and enemy of Chani?!) , make Stilgar into a Gimli-level clown (along with Gurney), and "exploring" Chani's character (as a one-dimensional angry action hero)? This move is a great spectacle, but only the book is a great work of fiction.

@saljpal3

3 ай бұрын

I was pretty disappointed they cut Hawat out of Part 2 I felt his story was pretty compelling in the book.

@AFMKI_

3 ай бұрын

Right, the book is so much much better

@MrSmokinDragon

3 ай бұрын

ITT: *A book-purists frothing rage* Only your first point has any merit, the rest is the impotent frothing mumblings of a book fundamentalist, which is ironic given Frank Herberts obvious theme of the books...

@jessetodd4004

2 ай бұрын

@@MrSmokinDragon I missed your first edit, but you've left some very compelling insights here, thx! Still, I can't help but feel that if, say, Gandalf was portrayed on film as gaslighting and manipulating poor Frodo like Jessica did the 'weak' Fremen, some book enjoyers (your "impotently frothing mumbling fundamentalists") would've been ...disappointed.

@MrSmokinDragon

2 ай бұрын

@@jessetodd4004with the obvious difference being that the BG are manipulators at heart, while the Maia er not. See, the LOTR fans would have been justified IF your scenario was the case, but I dare you to try and explain how the BG are NOT manipulators. Cool try though, better aim next time...

I read the novel. Saw the second movie yesterday, hoping it would be better than the 2021 part 1. I was expecting too much apparently as many significant details were screwed up to the point I was ever more nostalgic about David Lynch's screen adaptation. No justice to the book or respect to the source material; there was only going out of the way for needless pandering in the end.

Love the books, have read them a few times and didn't find the changes took away from THIS story for the movies. I do worry about how these choices impact another movie now, as you now have to create a reason for Chani to come back, have to show how Aliya as an abomination impacts her and if I recall correctly Jessica fears what Paul has become. She, like all Bene Geserit fear the Kwisatz Haderach. So they have to transition her relationship to that space too. In other words they have a lot to accomplish in a third movie.

I think the director screwed up a bit on the dynamic between Chani and Paul

Feyd didn't use the poison barb when dueling with Paul.

@idbadgeman5943

3 ай бұрын

Feyd’s death was also slightly different. They probably changed it to keep the PG-13 rating

i just saw the movies part 1 and 2 but havent read any of the books yet. I already ordered the first 3 books so i was wondering if i need to read the first book or i can just go straight into reading the second book.

@mrit409proofnotfeelings7

2 ай бұрын

Read the books

Pauls journey is that of a tyrant and every tyrant is a hero in their youth.

8:25 Well in the book Paul takes the princess to be his wife, while Chani remains his concubine who whill bear his children.

Crazy that no mentats, the absence of the Spacing Guild and the weirding modules along with Paul's eventual surpassing of the weirding modules did not make this list.

@ecm95

3 ай бұрын

There were mentats in both movies and the spacing guild is mentioned multiple times.

@Robert-rl7rd

3 ай бұрын

I'm sure there are mentats in the books, I've been reading them

@robertkarp2070

2 ай бұрын

@@ecm95 Mentats were touched upon in the first part, not the second part. They pretty much left out the Space Guild and Navigators, which are the most important part of why the Spice was so important for the Empire to function as a whole. They failed to explain that aspect of the story. So all those different Houses under the Empire, from the various planets spread all over the galaxy just happened to arrive at Arrakis at the same time. We just have to accept they can do that but not how they can do that. The Navigators fold space to bring passengers anywhere in the galaxy in an instant. They didn't explain that in either part one or part two of the new movie.

@ecm95

2 ай бұрын

@@robertkarp2070 there were mentats on the harkonnen ship when feyd made rabban kiss his feet. They explained in the first one what the spice was for and and explained the guild(to a very base extent)

@robertkarp2070

2 ай бұрын

@@ecm95 They absolutely did not give the Mentats any show of their importance. Therefore they were pretty much non existent. They may have mentioned the Space Guild and Navigators but I sure don't recall it, so it wasn't enough to make an impression as to what they were all about and why they were the primary importance for Spice production in the first place.

I am happy that this film version is fairly close to the 1984 version and the book.I have read all six in the series. It would have been nice if Frank Herbert was alive to see and comment on the 2000 and 2021-24 films. What was disheartening was the "Foundation" series on Apple TV which, in my opinion, obliterated the Book series. I was able to watch one or two chapters and got turned off completely. I have read all 18 books that encompass the "Foundation" world from "I, Robot" to "Foundation and Earth" multiple times

2:05 Well ain’t that tragic😢

The original novel was excellent and very very well done. To be so presumptuous as to think one can improve upon it is ludicrous.

Genius moves!

I was thrilled back in 84 when I heard that Dune had been made into a movie --- and APPALED when I actually saw it!!! There was almost nothing in the Lynch movie that was as I had envisioned from repeatedly reading the books. Decades later I heard that there was to be a new adaptation --- did I dare hope? Villeneuve did a spectacular job and I'm eagerly awaiting a chance to see part II. Your commentary on the changes was spot on.

@JDKobra

3 ай бұрын

True 84 dune was very different but it still had the heart and meaning for what made dune great this new movie series is nothing of what mad dune great it look great as a art picture but as a good movie or a true telling of dune it fails badly SciFi mini series did a really good job of keeping the heart of dune and its meanings. Denise has shown many times he doesn't care about source material at all just takes and changes everything

@mollywoodshots6503

Ай бұрын

​@@JDKobra Showed multiple times? Arrival, Dune and Blade Runner 2049 are the only ones with a source material and he made them all great. Denis is the reason why Duniverse is more relevant than ever and he treated it like no one else could or would in the future. He grew up with Dune and speaks about it with more passion than anyone could. You not understanding the complexities of a cinematic adaptation & the interpretation of the director is the issue.

in the book Liet Kynes dies during a spice blow which is observed by Paul and Chani at sietchTabar and thinks "I am a desert creature, You see me, Father? I am a desert creature." at the end of Dune book, Paul threatens to kill all the makers, it was a threat to Guild Navigators not so much to the other houses because without spice the guild are blind, there is no commerce and thus a threat to other houses.

Hey! Have you heard the voices around Thufir Hawat? Check the meeting scene in DUNE 1, when Thufir mentions the Harkonnen accounts. LISTEN, I was shocked, where is that voice coming from? You need to hear this, as I, never, noticed this before. It sounds like the voice. I wore headphones and checked 2 versions, it's so strange. (I copied this comment from another vid I saw, because I really need to know what this is.)

A sci-fi classic that will be spoken of with acclaim for years to come. Another Blade Runner or 2001 A Space Odyssey. Lol!

The look of both films is spectacular. Love it. Unfortunately, it kinda erased or re-wrote the pictures in my head that I got from reading the books in the early 90s. Neither Lynch’s film nor the Miniseries managed that. A statement to films visual power. Still a bit sad that it blasted my own imagination. And Jamis will now forever look like Babs Olusanmokun in my head. Such a strong presence on screen. Not sad about this at all, however. But it complicates things a bit because now I desperately hope that they’ll *never* have Joseph beam down to a desert environment. My brain would surely melt.

@Ruzaraneh

3 ай бұрын

I mean, just pretend all of this is Holodeck Adventures, Lynch Dune for Captain Picard, and this one is for Doctor M'Benga lol

I kinda like the Chani change at the end, but wonder how it might affect the third movie. The change certainly gives the character more agency.

Also forgot to mention Harah, Jamis' wife who became Paul's servant after he beat him in the duel

@damedechatfou3832

2 ай бұрын

You can find the deleted Harah scenes from the 1984 film on KZread.

@bobc4d

2 ай бұрын

I thought Paul became responsible to take care of her by making her his wife or servant and care for her children

If they release blu ray expanded of dune 2020, would buy.

1:21 I think Villenueve seriously considered adapting Emperor Shadam from the novel. I think he just thought let's cast Walken again as Shadam as homage to Walken playing him in the 1980's

Most changes are for the better actually. Specially the Paul’s sister and Leto II which would be so weird in a film

Also, missed seeing Alia kill the Baron with a gom jabbar.

Because I have not read the books, I cannot give a definitive say on the differences between both the book and the films. However, I have heard that the book was considered "unfilmable" as no medium used to bring Dune to life from its pages never made great success beyond cult followings. Denis Villeneuve's adaptation appears to, if you will forgive the pun, "hold water" in the face of both critics and audiences who go to see it. Both films are grand in scale, so it was a good idea to split the book into parts, as adapting the book into one movie would have been overkill. While it may have been a shame for characters and settings to have been changed, omitted, or rewritten, they were no doubt a necessary to keep up with the pace of the film and give more representation and show the character's arc as they change and evolve throughout the story.

While you rightly point out that The Baron's nephews appearance is different in the film you failed to mention that the harkonnens are supposed to have red hair as does Jessica and Aali which hints at the fact that Jessica is his daughter. We did see this utilized to a certain extent and David Lynch's film though it was not commented on, but majorly downplayed in the miniseries and completely left out of the equation though we are certainly informed of the relationship here in these films

Hello good nights

Thank you for the update, WatchMojo..!! I was completely captivated by Frank Herbert's "Dune." The rich world-building and intricate political dynamics drew me into a unique and fascinating universe. The depth of the characters, particularly Paul Atreides, allowed me to form a deep connection as he navigates complex relationships and personal growth while dealing with the weight of his destiny. 🥶

Maybe the main problem with the 1984 version of Dune is that it relied too heavily on exposition. That, and their ornithopters looked silly and unrealistic. I still like the design of the guild navigator as a cross between a cuttlefish and middle aged man with a smoking addiction.

I'm usually a stickler for more literal interpretation but I thought Villeneuve's changes made the movie better in ways than the book in terms of being more direct about Herbert's main point about charismatic leaders. Not mentioned in your video is the lack of the Spacing Guild and Paul's threat to them which cows them. Instead, the other Great Houses refuse to honor Paul's claim and he unleashes the Fremen on them without much thought or conscience.

My takeaway: hints of a Part 3, a _Dune: Messiah_

Question: what do the Fremen eat? What do the worms eat? And how do the worms evade the square cube law when above the sand?

@HistoryMovieCritic

2 ай бұрын

I think the books say they raise food in the seitches and hunt in the desert a bit. They use glowglobes. Something new the movies left out. The worms eat anything that moves. That is why they are attracted to vibrations.

@HistoryMovieCritic

2 ай бұрын

The new movies did not properly explain how water is reclaimed from dead bodies.

The wierdest part to me was the whole relationship with channi. Im curious how that will affect the next movie