In this video we Highlight 10 of the Greatest Players to ever play the Flanker Position
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@ruffdrafter10 ай бұрын
David Pocock is impossible to dislike, such a solid bloke
@graemebrown5115
6 ай бұрын
All players on the list are likeable. When it started with hooper at 10 i thought, how could there be nine better flankers than hooper, but, I was proven wrong. The list is spot on!
@tonylittle3508 Жыл бұрын
As much as I admire McCaw for his longevity, captaincy, and consistency, and may deserve the top ranking for that, for me Micheal Jones at his peak (before his knee injury) stands head and shoulders as simply the best player I have ever seen ever wear the No7 jersey. He could just dominate the game like no other, looked to be from another planet.
@joedennehy386
Жыл бұрын
I agree
@bremCZ
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely! despite the plaudits, he's still one of the most underrated players of the game.
@rosswilliams2303
Жыл бұрын
As talented as Micheal was, only Ritchie could win us those consecutive world cups.
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
I always believed that Richie McCaw was overrated. Great defence great jackal but his running game was average. He is not the GOAT. I would have Michael Jones and Thierry Dusatoir over him.
@bremCZ
Жыл бұрын
@@rosswilliams2303 Which makes him a better player overall, but not specifically a better flanker.
@daaichommie7087 ай бұрын
One of the best players in the Bok jersey that seem to always get overlooked is Juan Smith. Great, consistent, tough as fuck, and level headed player. The Boks and Cheetahs had some of their best years when that man was on the pitch. An unsung great of the game.
@morapelimokokomali7907
6 ай бұрын
He's such a good player its criminal that he's not rated higher by people. The man was brilliant, better than most on this list. As a side note, I believe that the 2007 Bok pack is the greatest pack to set foot on a rugby pitch
@martinbezuidenhout842
Күн бұрын
Nou praat jy. Dis die ou se meeting. Baie bokke uit gelos
@richardscanlan3167 Жыл бұрын
Michael Jones is the best flanker I have ever seen - no one,and I mean no one matched his athleticism.He was the prototype for all opensides that followed.Second is McCaw, whose grit and determination made him the most influential player most times he took the field. For me,it's Jones no.1,McCaw 2.
@kronos3037 Жыл бұрын
Heinrich Brussow would have been on this list if he had a full international career.
@SodaSeezn
Жыл бұрын
he was a genius
@granthall2325
Жыл бұрын
He never lost as a Springbok vs All Back's he was "unbelievable" just built different!!!!
@moegamadadams1156
Жыл бұрын
Actualy, once the ruck rule... Tackler must release and show clear daylight before stealing came into effect, brussouw lost his effectiveness as a jackal... His turnover rate drop dramaticly, where similer players like pockok and Mc caw adapted to the rule and continued pestering attacks.... Brusouw became ineffective.
@Naasjpn
Жыл бұрын
He was so underrated. Should have been capped at least 50 or more occasions.
@tromrich3979 Жыл бұрын
Jaques Burger & Sean O'Brien have to be in the running.
@bartcouprie4986 Жыл бұрын
Josh Kronfeld filled the gap between Jones and McCaw, and did so beautifully.
@mikehendry34
Жыл бұрын
Simon Poidevin, who I’d have nominated ahead of Hooper, said Josh Kronfeld was a level above every other flanker in world rugby. He retired young and was frankly, absolutely stunning, to the point where you could rarely pick a time he was beaten to the loose ball. Should be on this list a long way ahead of the other AB loosies mentioned.
@jaredculling905
Жыл бұрын
agreed. I reckon Kronfeld was a Master. Collins was a Great (RIP). Kaino's place is Deserved imo. Most impactful player in the world for a season or two, in a team with McCaw and Carter..
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
This Irishman picking Liam Messam on the special mentions list ahead of All Black greats like Josh Kronfield and Allan Whetton is just crazy. No one I knew rated Messam.
@mikehendry34
Жыл бұрын
@@JaemanEdwards well I could give you a formidable top ten of AB flankers going back to Whineray and Tremain and then ask you to insert internationals where you could. Given my personal top 4 selection would be Richie, Kronfeld, Jones and the outstanding Pieenar I’d be expecting absolute quality for the remaining 6. But kiwi flankers are usually pretty good. You’ve named the underrated Whetton but Lester Rutledge was all class as was Mourie and I’m one of that school who thought Zinny was a better 6 than 8. And of course we suffer from recency bias, only nominating those we’ve seen live or on tv, but for AB fans, if the trio of Whineray, Tremain and Lochore at their peak we’re representing NZ this year do you think we’d be worse off?
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
@@mikehendry34 You could add Ian Kirkpatrick and Waka Nathan to that list. The problem is the further you go back the smaller and less athletic the players are.
@paulthomson2288 Жыл бұрын
Jean Pierre Reeves and Graham Mourie from the Amateur era would be difficult to omit
@ShiNooBi1986
Жыл бұрын
Agreed. I'm Kiwi and would mention Kel Tremain and Brian Lochore also
@samday9328
Жыл бұрын
As would Peter Winterbottom!
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
They would all struggle with the physicality of the modern game so no, not on the list.
@paulthomson2288
Жыл бұрын
@@JaemanEdwards and vice versa...the amateur era had its own special hardness...no substitutes only injury replacement which needed doctor approval at test level...and let's not forget rucking and....well there was no pushing fights...the 30 minute warriors of today would be exposed ...
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
@@paulthomson2288 they were half the size, half the fitness half the speed and played half the amount of tests. I have great respect for rugby tradition and the legends that paved the way. But I'm a realist and like to look at things objectively.
@dguap1359 Жыл бұрын
Seán O'Brien would have made my list
@CHIBOY4L
Жыл бұрын
Oh yes of course, THE TULLOW TANK 💪
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
"Who the fook is that guy"
@CHIBOY4L
Жыл бұрын
@@JaemanEdwards go check him out, during his prime he was an absolute machine.. such a powerhouse
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
@@CHIBOY4L will do
@tombutcher3021
Жыл бұрын
Neil back and richard hill. Hill was the silent assassin. They guy was a monster.
@StevenBenjaminAuthor Жыл бұрын
If it was my list I'd probably substitute Juan Smith for Warburton - if Jerry Collins says you're the best he's ever played against, then ... plus I'd find a place (maybe special mention) for Reuben Kruger (Pienaar was a great leader, but in terms of talent, Kruger was that teams MVP). Also, yes, Kronfeld
@canadiancontent352
Жыл бұрын
Kronfeld is underrated. Fantastic support player
@zlatanibrahimovic1691 Жыл бұрын
Judging by the Highlights, Michael Jones was a beast
@peterfaalogo9587
Жыл бұрын
Yes he was. Easily the best pure flanker on this list when judging purely on skillset, athleticism and impact.
@marksheehan8026
Жыл бұрын
Yes, Micheal jones the top of the list, he broke my heart a few times in the final stages against the wallabies scoring against the runoff play. A clean and honourable player ..
@StretchFletcher
Жыл бұрын
You are not wrong here.
@vailima49aston99
Жыл бұрын
MJ was the complete Flanker Period!!! 🇼🇸 🇳🇿
@thatellipsisguy8984
Жыл бұрын
Below Pocock? Jokes bro…
@poonschoeman4516 Жыл бұрын
Obviously the judge of these flankers have only taken the recent era in contention. The old All Black Ian Kirkpatrick, Spingbok Wahl Bartmann and a few others during tbe 70s and 80s was as good as the best.
@mattsykes6669 Жыл бұрын
Michael Jones is hands down the best loose forward ever!
@nzfreeski
Жыл бұрын
No, he's not - he's great (in an amateur era), but nothing comes close to McCaws leadership, toughness, lack of injuries, 2x WCs, multiple Super titles - hands down the best in a professional era when all countries were tougher.
@TheTakbok
10 ай бұрын
We love the Iceman here in South Africa,him and Josh Kronfeld,and what player Josh was too and then they have Zinnie behind them
@ChoirFan1 Жыл бұрын
The other talent that Richie McCaw had was the ability to push the rules to the limit and “work” the referee. As an Australian, this was extremely infuriating, as it always gave his teams that intangible edge…but I always loved watching him play (just not against Australian teams). I am NOT saying he cheated…I am saying he was adept at identifying the line between legal and illegal, and pushing right up to that line…which is a quality every team wants in their captain. Totally agree with his number one rating.
@frankvella7983
11 ай бұрын
Smith done much the same thing.
@ThatGuyMofo
7 ай бұрын
You mean cheat coz the refs were in the all blacks back pocket
@tashingamuchena6387
6 ай бұрын
Incredible analysis. It’s the intangibles that separate good from great
@barnabebatisse8552
5 ай бұрын
In France we call him RichieOffside ! This guy was the right to do anithing on the field and referees let him do, what a shame
@sirswift23
5 ай бұрын
@@barnabebatisse8552 talking bout the guys who ripped ballsacks outta people in rucks and shit? Don't talk child
@simonhague2674 Жыл бұрын
It's a tough list of who do you leave out... Buck Shelford, JP Reeves, Pete Winterbottom, Delaglio, Harinordoquy, Magne, O'Brien, Back, Willie O, Cabannes etc...
@t47328
Жыл бұрын
Shelford and Delaglio were 8's.
@tombutcher3021
Жыл бұрын
Best no8 ever Sergio Parisse for Italy. Guy was immense.
@ianoverll692 Жыл бұрын
My choice as no. 1 is Jean Pierre Rives. His work rate, tenacity and the rest for his size was incredible !
@MrAnamchara
13 күн бұрын
Neil Back tops him in my opinion for small flankers
@williamryan52811 ай бұрын
Great channel man - watched a bunch of your videos there. Love the pace and the detail and you clearly know your stuff. Keep it up. Hon Ireland 👊
@eddieyoshida962710 ай бұрын
McCaw...yes @ 1...YET..The ICEMAN, THE GREAT MJONES is above all flankers who played rugby👏👏👏👏🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿
@paulmihaere8270 Жыл бұрын
Hooper has been a beast for Australia Him , pockock and smith would've been very formidable Lucky being a kiwi it never transpired
@andremaube5069
9 ай бұрын
Hooper is a monster I am French but he is my favorite flanker today 💪
@MeanAzz_13
6 ай бұрын
My Aussies 🇦🇺 6 Finnegan 7 Pocock 8 Totai Kefu 19 George Smith
@YARROWS97 ай бұрын
Finley Calder was hard as nails. Almost single handedly won Scotland the Grand slam in 1990 and captained the British Lions to victory over World Champions Austrailia.
@BoldRam Жыл бұрын
McCaw, Jones and Kronfeld are the best I've seen in the last 25yrs. Jones on top by a nose from the other 2 just for the ability to play anywhere. I also saw Mourie up close and he was pretty smart too but it was a different game then but he would have excelled today too.
@mauricegarvey4631 Жыл бұрын
Laurent Cabannes - great French flanker from the 90s
@afzlua5924 Жыл бұрын
Great list. Michael Jones the GOAT. Might be better to have separate 7 and 6 lists.
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
He's definitely the GOAT
@jonnybaynham1689 Жыл бұрын
Richard Hill has to feature. One of the greatest 6s to play and a big reason England were dominant between 01-03
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
I'm a kiwi and I agree.
@tombutcher3021
Жыл бұрын
The forgotten man. He was amazing. Sad his knees gave out.
@theephraimite Жыл бұрын
Michael Jones should be number one. He was the most versatile of all flankers, who shifted to 6 as he lost speed due to injuries. McCaw was more of a rucking specialist, almost one-dimensional, though not really. Kaino should be top five. Thursday ngt - May 11, 2023.
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
He's no. 1 on my list
@Patrickserisier Жыл бұрын
Excellent list. You nailed the order.
@thomas_corbet Жыл бұрын
Olivier Magne is the best French flanker ever, with all due respect to Dusautoir. Also, Kaino is top 3 with McCaw and Smith, Richard Hill is definitely top 10. And, depending on how the next few years go, François Cros and JVdF will be in there.
@ShiNooBi1986
Жыл бұрын
Jean Pierre Reeves if your a student of the game...
@thomas_corbet
Жыл бұрын
@@ShiNooBi1986 A student of the game would spell it Rives ;) Tremendous player, Magne was better.
@cyrilpeps8525
Жыл бұрын
Thomas mon cher compatriote je suppose, Olivier Magne était un super flanker, coureur, mais un peu trop souvent dans la ligne de 3/4, à vouloir marquer. Très utile en touche également. Mais je me souviens d'un 3 contre 1 contre l Irlande où il était aller s'empaler un peu comme Woki contre les Blacks. Je met Betsen devant, Dusautoir aussi bien sûr. Et selon moi même un Olivon en milieu de carrière qui est dans le même registre mais en plus grand et plus fort est déjà meilleur aussi. Mais je suis pas un hater d'Olivier, hein, j'aurais adoré avoir un dixième de son talent!
@rikimackey7984
Жыл бұрын
I remember a guy called Cabannes. Open side flanker similar to Michael Jones in his prime.
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
@@thomas_corbet Mt Rushmore International Flankers Schalk Burger Thierry Dusautoir Michael Jones Richie McCaw
@viper96degrees Жыл бұрын
Ardie Savea and Josh Cronfield
@nikolakozhuharov1042
Жыл бұрын
you mean Kronfeld?
@jimbokiwi9322
Жыл бұрын
Savea is so good at flanker he plays at 8
@pablolives7126 Жыл бұрын
Jerome Kaino was fun to watch, an absolute beast with the ball in his hands.
@fredkelly69539 ай бұрын
I always felt George Smith had the edge on McCaw but if it were only based on a flankers ability Richie would be further down the list. His other qualities such as leadership, rugby IQ, resilience and sheer grit elevated him above not just other flankers but everyone else as well. He also did it with such quiet dogged kiwi determination it's not a wonder he's idealised in New Zealand.
@nickofhelmet Жыл бұрын
Don't forget Jones didn't play on Sundays for religious reasons. Pretty impressive list man
@tiriarere
Жыл бұрын
What has that got to do with playing the game?
@mauricegarvey4631
Жыл бұрын
@@tiriarere Because he missed out on some games, if it was scheuduled to be played on a Sunday
@bremCZ
Жыл бұрын
@@tiriarereHe believed that keeping the sabbath holy meant devoting the day to worship. So, no playing.
@nickofhelmet
Жыл бұрын
@@tiriarere responding to the narrator - he didn't play many tests due to the Sunday rule for himself.
@tuforu4
8 ай бұрын
@@bremCZ what religion i wonder the BRAND.
@MeanAzz_13 Жыл бұрын
Nah man thats a *fair list!.* Imagine a trio of 6 Kaino 8 Ardie 7 Michael Jones For those of us who witnessed the great Michael *Jones* 🇳🇿 we can see a similarity of ability in Ardie *Savea* 🇳🇿 Michael was a hell of a player, who would hit hard but never dirty, no doubt top 3 of all time. Schalk *Burger* 🇿🇦 one my all time favorites, as Jerome Kaino said "when Schalk played we were in for a hell of a game" 😂 David *Pocock* 🇦🇺 100% the *best jackyler* in the game, once he was over the ball you can kiss it goodbye 👋 practically built perfectly for jackyling the ball. Honorable mention to a No 6 a damaging ball running juggernaut Owen *Finnegan* 🇦🇺 a 2 meter tall 120kg meter eater giant, no one apart from Jonah Lomu *dented* the line consistently like Owen Finnegan and though Gregan, Larkem and others got the praises it was Finnegan who was damaging defense lines, especially our A.B'z 😂 with ball in hand the guy was a *wrecking ball* MY LOOSE FORWARD TRIO FINNEGAN 🇦🇺 7 RICHIE 🇳🇿 SCHALK *BURGER* 🇿🇦 20 MICHAEL *JONES* 🇳🇿
@KnightWing274
Жыл бұрын
Pocock is really overrated.. He struggled with injury and form through most his career.. He ended his final years in the wallabies with a bang.. But if you remembered super rugby that same year 2015.. His performances were mediocre.. I rate Michael Hooper higher cause even in the bad games.. He was always one of their best players.. Pocock was never that guy.. Pocock is like Quade Cooper in his prime.. Best international rugby stats but he was losing the rucks to liam gill in super rugby like clearly and hooper was always hooper.. 110% all day Consistency should matter more to these ratings
@KnightWing274
Жыл бұрын
Pocock on his team's off games.. He is almost non existent.. B4 Michael was captain.. They were gona give it to pocock and there was a game, where he took over the captaincy from stephen Moore In the 2nd half vs AB's.. It turned from a tight game to a trashing and he was making mistakes left and right.. Hooper and Folau were the ones playing against the tide
@MeanAzz_13
Жыл бұрын
@@KnightWing274 on your analogy of lack of *consistent form* from Super rugby to Tests with Pocock then that means *Ma'a Nonu* is a failure then. He was always inconsistent with Super rugby but a All Time beast in Tests. Hopper is a class act but I'd still have Pocock rhe guy was impossible to move off the ball once he was over it.
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
Thierry Dusautoir 6 Michael Jones 7 Zinzan Brooke 8
@MeanAzz_13
Жыл бұрын
@@JaemanEdwards solid az
@craigwilliams2405 Жыл бұрын
You're good at this bro. Watched all your vids. You're spot on
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
He always omits crucial players.
@holdthephoneblocker Жыл бұрын
Great video. I would've included Josh Kronfeld, Olivier Magne, Ray Price, Corne Krige, Sean O'Brien or Neil Back but that's the beauty of these types of videos - it gets people talking. Plus, I didn't make the video 😁 Keep up the great work. Really enjoying your content.
@carlbotha1289
Жыл бұрын
Don't forget Jan Ellis and Piet Greying from the amateur days!
@johnsonbrotherssports10678 ай бұрын
That's a great list! Thank you!
@user-rv4go7ry3v Жыл бұрын
I recall most of his games vs the top teams Richard Hill out played George Smith and even Richie McCaw. Hill was England's best forward during their best era where the pack was winning them everything. Who to drop... Collins or Kaino. Brutal impact several Bok 6s also have, and several lock/6s have these days. and a certain Zimbabwean member of the Woolf Pack deserves a mention .
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
Hill should definitely be on the list. From a kiwi
@Andy_M986
Жыл бұрын
Not often enough though.
@LTH099 Жыл бұрын
Eddie Jones will openly say that George Smith was by a considerable margin the best player he had ever coached, old Eddie has seen some talent as well.
@richardtrass6 ай бұрын
Josh Kronfeld redefined flankers so was unlucky not to be mentioned. And Ardie Savea would be on the list now I expect. But a great list. Well done
@anotherstormer6 ай бұрын
As a South African there are so many SA players I'd take ahead of Burger. PSdT, Juan Smith and if older players are eligible the list will be very long. Also, Heinrich Brussow owned many of these top ranked players at the ruck as part of probably the only dominant Bok side in the pro era and if he had more caps I'm sure he'd be in there.
@morapelimokokomali7907
6 ай бұрын
Brussow was too good and World Rugby changed the rules to make it illegal. I also liked Luke Watson, Francois Louw and the Argentinian Juan Martin Fernandez Lobbe
@heretic9344
6 ай бұрын
Brussow broke rugby. Like literally broke it. He completely disrupted the entire game during the 08 and 09 seasons. Coaches had no idea what to do about him and it made for some saucy pundit conversations and columns in sports journals. But then he was made redundant by a single cycle rule change. Pity. The greatest ever jackler in a very niche and specific set of rugby laws.
@wassum100 Жыл бұрын
Really agree with this selection!
@dominicjohnson5352 Жыл бұрын
that's a pretty fair list and an intelligent appraisal of their skills and ranking....
@gavinratima Жыл бұрын
As with any top ten list there are those who would miss out despite deserving a place on this list but I cannot deny the players that were picked fully deserved their spots on this list
@glennbundesen3439 Жыл бұрын
Josh Kronfeld, Corne Krige, Owen Finegan
@Idkidk559574 ай бұрын
Michael Ice Man Jones was a phenom
@patrickkeoug6070 Жыл бұрын
How did Reuben Krueger not make the list?
@jurgensdejager3096
Жыл бұрын
The silent assassin, feared by the All Blacks
@MaoriAussie9 ай бұрын
Brilliant summary!
@darrennovember5094 Жыл бұрын
George Smith was leagues above Pocock. That's from a Saffa
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
From a kiwi. I agree
@mrb1380 Жыл бұрын
Greatness is subjective.
@Truthshallsety0ufree Жыл бұрын
Josh Kronfeld deserved a mention. He was revolutionary in the age of the" lazy line".
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
Him picking Liam Messam on the special mentions list ahead of All Black greats like Josh Kronfield and Allan Whetton is just crazy. Ignorant Irishman
@caseyrawhiti7317 Жыл бұрын
sean o brian mate, for his grit
@waynewestrupp7624 Жыл бұрын
💯 agree with your list
@garethpearce52556 ай бұрын
Pretty solid list
@KPP365 Жыл бұрын
In my opinion. 6 and 7 are the best positions on the feild. Its critical the flankers are on top form for any team. They can win you a game with their ability to read an attack and snuff it out, Also by making breaks or simply supporting an attack dog
@markhughes5144 Жыл бұрын
Josh kronfeld ?
@71brp84 Жыл бұрын
Jean-Pierre Rives Ruben Kruger Richard Hill Ian Kirkpatrick Lewis Moody
@davidpound83313 күн бұрын
A great list however was surprised that Thierry Dusautoir wasn't there (NZ Fan)
@MartensAD5 ай бұрын
Du Toit gets an honourable mention. Kolisi not even mentioned.
@grahamkahui8718 Жыл бұрын
All though its a pretty good list , Ardie Savea is right up there as one of the best and would have been on my list and being a kiwi i hate saying it, but Hooper would also be higher up and a few more S.A aswell
@johnnyfaamausili718 Жыл бұрын
Michael Jones was the Michael Jordan of Rugby pure athleticism and skill🤙
@andresjaque8344 Жыл бұрын
Tullow Tank?, the only man that took a blind hit from Courtney Lawes and wasn´t smashed in the process
@paulbismuth10 Жыл бұрын
I think Dussautoir should be higher ranked. Nice video and picks though 👍
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
I agree. 1. Michael Jones 2. Thierry Dusatoir 3. Richie McCaw
@watson0104 ай бұрын
Heinrich Brüssow could steal a ball through a key hole. He was David Pocock's kryptonite. He was also a player who won penalties at huge moments.
@james09995 Жыл бұрын
Sean O’Brien….seriously? Has to be on the list
@shaunduncan8332 Жыл бұрын
Hard to argue with this line up
@pixd7902 Жыл бұрын
Jean Pierre Reeves was the greatest because he did it with just one functioning shoulder. Would want to play wiith someone that tough, not against.
@mattbarrett8092 Жыл бұрын
Mccaw is 💯 the best in my time of watching rugby. It's hard to put any other international 7 above him as I'm from new Zealand so I am biased. Best 7 nz ever produced in my time, I was a bit young to experience Michael Jones but from the comments and from listening to my old man, he was right up there 👍
@barnabebatisse8552
5 ай бұрын
Yes your biased because the legend tell this guy was born offside !
@kiwishamoo6494 Жыл бұрын
Josh Kronfeld for sure
@LorienHamilton7 ай бұрын
Great commentary ! Unless I am wrong you also narrate an athletics channel too ?
@RelentlessRugby
7 ай бұрын
Thanks, yes I do
@agnostic47 Жыл бұрын
So the 10 greatest flankers of all time ALL played in the last 25 years? I don't think so.
@bigscaryman7421
Жыл бұрын
Proffessional players who get paid to train are always going to be better than amatures
@julyanpaul3688
6 ай бұрын
How about Waka Nathan? Budge Rodgers, anyone?
@michaelbuhagiar6203
5 ай бұрын
@@julyanpaul3688I completely agree that Waka Nathan should be there, along with his fellow flanker Kel Tremayne in NZ's greatest ever back row (with No. 8 Brian Lochore). If you watch footage of AB tests in the 1960s Nathan is always on the ball. A No. 6 who played like a No, 7.
@johnmccabe1974 Жыл бұрын
As a kiwi I liked Keiran Read and Zinzan Brooke also. I think other countries fans could name one or two flankers they might like as well.
@canadiancontent352
Жыл бұрын
Both 8's
@jayjordano Жыл бұрын
No David Wallace, the pace of a winger and was incredible at the breakdown, but there have been so many greats 👍
@JohnSmith-wo2fz
Жыл бұрын
He didn't have any irish players. Typical anti-irish media.
@himalayanpermaculturecentr4583 Жыл бұрын
no one's mentioned Martyn Williams - brilliant, smart
@timchannell7439 Жыл бұрын
David Wilson, Australia as well?
@MarcelMank Жыл бұрын
Olivon is very impressive imho. played an amazing 6 nations.
@Mumbo_Jumbo_Kiwi.1 Жыл бұрын
Lewis Moody & Ruben Kruger the most fearless.
@jeremyrogers4839
Жыл бұрын
Some absolute greats here, but from an SA perspective, Kruger is on my list!
@pitaberaciri8366 Жыл бұрын
They never won a match at the World Cup but I remember a Flanker from Namibia who was at another level even though Namibia would be getting smashed he just kept going, can’t remember his name though.
@sokkhamonghay5252
Жыл бұрын
Jacques Burger
@dkstewy Жыл бұрын
Ian Kirkpatrick, Rives, (oui, automatically Skrela's name pops up,) Teague, Slattery ... I guess the creator did not go that far back to the amateurs, though everyone knew the French players were getting paid! I guess it's hard to compare the two eras.
@Andy_M986 Жыл бұрын
McCaw at the top, rightfully so .
@user-mkru5 ай бұрын
Greatest flankers in rugby history....yes if you look with one eye. I am a South African and I immediately wonder why Jean Pierre Reeves is not even in this guys top 10. What about a man like Rob Louw and Rassie Erasmus and Ruben Kruger and Whal Bartmann further back we have men like Jan Ellis, Thys Louwrens and Jan-Boland Coetzee.....and many more.
@Naasjpn Жыл бұрын
Jan Ellis
@saturdayplayer2492 Жыл бұрын
Waka Nathan?
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
The 'Black Panther'
@ben9l351
6 ай бұрын
a player ahead of his time
@etiennevanwyk32089 ай бұрын
McCaw, Schalk, Collins. Imagine dealing with that.
@TheMarketSniper1
6 ай бұрын
with a proper ref, i'd swap RM with Josh Kronveld
@andremaube50699 ай бұрын
I agree with all the players on this list They are surely the 10 best but I don't think we can rank them. Warburton, Dusautoir, Hooper or Collins... all these players were decisive for their team. But I can't come up with a name that's better than the others, personally.
@jeremycruiks2739 Жыл бұрын
I’d have Hill and O’Brien on my list
@davidrabbolini6574 Жыл бұрын
Ruben Kruger.
@MrSuperdave75 Жыл бұрын
Jones Hill Rives but also loved watching Teague Skinner Champ Winterbottom Cabannes and Kronfeld. Collins was really an 8.
@tommyhassan3545
Жыл бұрын
Winterbottom Teague skinner and champ were great players and rives and I’m a Welshman
@MrSuperdave75
Жыл бұрын
@@tommyhassan3545 also Fergus Slattery.
@user-ez9en7vk2z Жыл бұрын
Ruben Kruger from SA must be the unluckiest player in history... denied a try in 95 RWC Final and injured as Captain just before the Blue Bulls had their golden age. A humble soul who disliked the limelight yet played brilliant rugby. Played way to few tests for his country.
@thefobbie00345 ай бұрын
WOW no Jean Pierre Rives, Graham Mourie, Jan Ellis, Peter Winterbottom, Josh Kronfeld, Ray Price, Rob Louw, Ian Kirkpatrick, Fergus Slattery, John Jefferies, Simon Poidevin, Waka Nathan, Kel Tremain
@RugbyPass817 ай бұрын
Richie McCaw, when asked who, for him, the best flankers ever were, his top was Lewis Moody - the man was a "bloody beast" - McCaw's own words. He also had Schalk Berger in there, at 4th, Richard Hill (England) at 3rd, and Theirry Dusautoir (France) at 2nd
@graemebrown5115
6 ай бұрын
I thought he said George Smith
@RugbyPass81
6 ай бұрын
@@graemebrown5115 No apparently definitely Lewis Moody. Moody by name and Moody by nature they reckon. For me, though, as someone who plays 7 myself, Richie McCaw is the pinnacle of openside flankers. Plus his work ethic was something else; I remember reading about him and in the segment it said of how the other NZ players all had their boots cleaned by the staff responsible for this, but McCaw always did his own as he said it kept him honest and kept him accountable. I don't know how true that story is, but I like believe it's true.
@joellemartin9238 Жыл бұрын
No Zinzan Brooke?
@mtnstrand2819
Жыл бұрын
Zinzan Brook was a number eight.
@robertrose8160
Жыл бұрын
@@mtnstrand2819 Early on Brooke was mostly a flanfker
@nicolaaskorff41326 ай бұрын
SA Flankers Jan Ellis Piet Greyling Thys Lourens and Burger Geldenhuys
@joedennehy386 Жыл бұрын
Michael jones was the best 7 i ever saw, jerome kaino probably the best 6. Graham mourie, Rives the french captain was a wonderful player, waka Nathan, ian Kirkpatrick, Kell Tremaine. Richie mc caw wasn't a bad player either.
@sage6336
Жыл бұрын
There are other nationality
@michaelanderson5636 Жыл бұрын
Not even a mention of Sean O'brien?????
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
"Who the fook is that guy"?
@recliningroberto8873
6 ай бұрын
The Tullow Tank!
@heretic93446 ай бұрын
Sam Warburton is a controversial top tenner when there’s blokes like Juan Smith and Serge Betzen out there. Warburton doesn’t come anywhere near those workhorses.
@keithbooth2626 Жыл бұрын
No Fergus Slattery, no list!
@thatsbollox Жыл бұрын
As much as i admire and respect McCaw, if i was forced to pick 2 for a World Cup final tomorrow it would likely be the combination of Michael Jones and George Smith.
@mike41796 ай бұрын
Not even a mention of Josh Kronfeld? I would like to see the list split into two top tens for open and blindside. Too many great players of each position not being recognised. What about AJ Venter? Simon Poideven?
@mhoppy66398 ай бұрын
Jean Pierre Rives, Fergus Slattery, John Jeffrey, Roger Uttley, Neil Back?
@rodeo4786 Жыл бұрын
The unsung French Flanker Abdullahtef Benazir Los Pumas Pablo Matera another
Пікірлер: 486
David Pocock is impossible to dislike, such a solid bloke
@graemebrown5115
6 ай бұрын
All players on the list are likeable. When it started with hooper at 10 i thought, how could there be nine better flankers than hooper, but, I was proven wrong. The list is spot on!
As much as I admire McCaw for his longevity, captaincy, and consistency, and may deserve the top ranking for that, for me Micheal Jones at his peak (before his knee injury) stands head and shoulders as simply the best player I have ever seen ever wear the No7 jersey. He could just dominate the game like no other, looked to be from another planet.
@joedennehy386
Жыл бұрын
I agree
@bremCZ
Жыл бұрын
Absolutely! despite the plaudits, he's still one of the most underrated players of the game.
@rosswilliams2303
Жыл бұрын
As talented as Micheal was, only Ritchie could win us those consecutive world cups.
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
I always believed that Richie McCaw was overrated. Great defence great jackal but his running game was average. He is not the GOAT. I would have Michael Jones and Thierry Dusatoir over him.
@bremCZ
Жыл бұрын
@@rosswilliams2303 Which makes him a better player overall, but not specifically a better flanker.
One of the best players in the Bok jersey that seem to always get overlooked is Juan Smith. Great, consistent, tough as fuck, and level headed player. The Boks and Cheetahs had some of their best years when that man was on the pitch. An unsung great of the game.
@morapelimokokomali7907
6 ай бұрын
He's such a good player its criminal that he's not rated higher by people. The man was brilliant, better than most on this list. As a side note, I believe that the 2007 Bok pack is the greatest pack to set foot on a rugby pitch
@martinbezuidenhout842
Күн бұрын
Nou praat jy. Dis die ou se meeting. Baie bokke uit gelos
Michael Jones is the best flanker I have ever seen - no one,and I mean no one matched his athleticism.He was the prototype for all opensides that followed.Second is McCaw, whose grit and determination made him the most influential player most times he took the field. For me,it's Jones no.1,McCaw 2.
Heinrich Brussow would have been on this list if he had a full international career.
@SodaSeezn
Жыл бұрын
he was a genius
@granthall2325
Жыл бұрын
He never lost as a Springbok vs All Back's he was "unbelievable" just built different!!!!
@moegamadadams1156
Жыл бұрын
Actualy, once the ruck rule... Tackler must release and show clear daylight before stealing came into effect, brussouw lost his effectiveness as a jackal... His turnover rate drop dramaticly, where similer players like pockok and Mc caw adapted to the rule and continued pestering attacks.... Brusouw became ineffective.
@Naasjpn
Жыл бұрын
He was so underrated. Should have been capped at least 50 or more occasions.
Jaques Burger & Sean O'Brien have to be in the running.
Josh Kronfeld filled the gap between Jones and McCaw, and did so beautifully.
@mikehendry34
Жыл бұрын
Simon Poidevin, who I’d have nominated ahead of Hooper, said Josh Kronfeld was a level above every other flanker in world rugby. He retired young and was frankly, absolutely stunning, to the point where you could rarely pick a time he was beaten to the loose ball. Should be on this list a long way ahead of the other AB loosies mentioned.
@jaredculling905
Жыл бұрын
agreed. I reckon Kronfeld was a Master. Collins was a Great (RIP). Kaino's place is Deserved imo. Most impactful player in the world for a season or two, in a team with McCaw and Carter..
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
This Irishman picking Liam Messam on the special mentions list ahead of All Black greats like Josh Kronfield and Allan Whetton is just crazy. No one I knew rated Messam.
@mikehendry34
Жыл бұрын
@@JaemanEdwards well I could give you a formidable top ten of AB flankers going back to Whineray and Tremain and then ask you to insert internationals where you could. Given my personal top 4 selection would be Richie, Kronfeld, Jones and the outstanding Pieenar I’d be expecting absolute quality for the remaining 6. But kiwi flankers are usually pretty good. You’ve named the underrated Whetton but Lester Rutledge was all class as was Mourie and I’m one of that school who thought Zinny was a better 6 than 8. And of course we suffer from recency bias, only nominating those we’ve seen live or on tv, but for AB fans, if the trio of Whineray, Tremain and Lochore at their peak we’re representing NZ this year do you think we’d be worse off?
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
@@mikehendry34 You could add Ian Kirkpatrick and Waka Nathan to that list. The problem is the further you go back the smaller and less athletic the players are.
Jean Pierre Reeves and Graham Mourie from the Amateur era would be difficult to omit
@ShiNooBi1986
Жыл бұрын
Agreed. I'm Kiwi and would mention Kel Tremain and Brian Lochore also
@samday9328
Жыл бұрын
As would Peter Winterbottom!
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
They would all struggle with the physicality of the modern game so no, not on the list.
@paulthomson2288
Жыл бұрын
@@JaemanEdwards and vice versa...the amateur era had its own special hardness...no substitutes only injury replacement which needed doctor approval at test level...and let's not forget rucking and....well there was no pushing fights...the 30 minute warriors of today would be exposed ...
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
@@paulthomson2288 they were half the size, half the fitness half the speed and played half the amount of tests. I have great respect for rugby tradition and the legends that paved the way. But I'm a realist and like to look at things objectively.
Seán O'Brien would have made my list
@CHIBOY4L
Жыл бұрын
Oh yes of course, THE TULLOW TANK 💪
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
"Who the fook is that guy"
@CHIBOY4L
Жыл бұрын
@@JaemanEdwards go check him out, during his prime he was an absolute machine.. such a powerhouse
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
@@CHIBOY4L will do
@tombutcher3021
Жыл бұрын
Neil back and richard hill. Hill was the silent assassin. They guy was a monster.
If it was my list I'd probably substitute Juan Smith for Warburton - if Jerry Collins says you're the best he's ever played against, then ... plus I'd find a place (maybe special mention) for Reuben Kruger (Pienaar was a great leader, but in terms of talent, Kruger was that teams MVP). Also, yes, Kronfeld
@canadiancontent352
Жыл бұрын
Kronfeld is underrated. Fantastic support player
Judging by the Highlights, Michael Jones was a beast
@peterfaalogo9587
Жыл бұрын
Yes he was. Easily the best pure flanker on this list when judging purely on skillset, athleticism and impact.
@marksheehan8026
Жыл бұрын
Yes, Micheal jones the top of the list, he broke my heart a few times in the final stages against the wallabies scoring against the runoff play. A clean and honourable player ..
@StretchFletcher
Жыл бұрын
You are not wrong here.
@vailima49aston99
Жыл бұрын
MJ was the complete Flanker Period!!! 🇼🇸 🇳🇿
@thatellipsisguy8984
Жыл бұрын
Below Pocock? Jokes bro…
Obviously the judge of these flankers have only taken the recent era in contention. The old All Black Ian Kirkpatrick, Spingbok Wahl Bartmann and a few others during tbe 70s and 80s was as good as the best.
Michael Jones is hands down the best loose forward ever!
@nzfreeski
Жыл бұрын
No, he's not - he's great (in an amateur era), but nothing comes close to McCaws leadership, toughness, lack of injuries, 2x WCs, multiple Super titles - hands down the best in a professional era when all countries were tougher.
@TheTakbok
10 ай бұрын
We love the Iceman here in South Africa,him and Josh Kronfeld,and what player Josh was too and then they have Zinnie behind them
The other talent that Richie McCaw had was the ability to push the rules to the limit and “work” the referee. As an Australian, this was extremely infuriating, as it always gave his teams that intangible edge…but I always loved watching him play (just not against Australian teams). I am NOT saying he cheated…I am saying he was adept at identifying the line between legal and illegal, and pushing right up to that line…which is a quality every team wants in their captain. Totally agree with his number one rating.
@frankvella7983
11 ай бұрын
Smith done much the same thing.
@ThatGuyMofo
7 ай бұрын
You mean cheat coz the refs were in the all blacks back pocket
@tashingamuchena6387
6 ай бұрын
Incredible analysis. It’s the intangibles that separate good from great
@barnabebatisse8552
5 ай бұрын
In France we call him RichieOffside ! This guy was the right to do anithing on the field and referees let him do, what a shame
@sirswift23
5 ай бұрын
@@barnabebatisse8552 talking bout the guys who ripped ballsacks outta people in rucks and shit? Don't talk child
It's a tough list of who do you leave out... Buck Shelford, JP Reeves, Pete Winterbottom, Delaglio, Harinordoquy, Magne, O'Brien, Back, Willie O, Cabannes etc...
@t47328
Жыл бұрын
Shelford and Delaglio were 8's.
@tombutcher3021
Жыл бұрын
Best no8 ever Sergio Parisse for Italy. Guy was immense.
My choice as no. 1 is Jean Pierre Rives. His work rate, tenacity and the rest for his size was incredible !
@MrAnamchara
13 күн бұрын
Neil Back tops him in my opinion for small flankers
Great channel man - watched a bunch of your videos there. Love the pace and the detail and you clearly know your stuff. Keep it up. Hon Ireland 👊
McCaw...yes @ 1...YET..The ICEMAN, THE GREAT MJONES is above all flankers who played rugby👏👏👏👏🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿🇳🇿
Hooper has been a beast for Australia Him , pockock and smith would've been very formidable Lucky being a kiwi it never transpired
@andremaube5069
9 ай бұрын
Hooper is a monster I am French but he is my favorite flanker today 💪
@MeanAzz_13
6 ай бұрын
My Aussies 🇦🇺 6 Finnegan 7 Pocock 8 Totai Kefu 19 George Smith
Finley Calder was hard as nails. Almost single handedly won Scotland the Grand slam in 1990 and captained the British Lions to victory over World Champions Austrailia.
McCaw, Jones and Kronfeld are the best I've seen in the last 25yrs. Jones on top by a nose from the other 2 just for the ability to play anywhere. I also saw Mourie up close and he was pretty smart too but it was a different game then but he would have excelled today too.
Laurent Cabannes - great French flanker from the 90s
Great list. Michael Jones the GOAT. Might be better to have separate 7 and 6 lists.
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
He's definitely the GOAT
Richard Hill has to feature. One of the greatest 6s to play and a big reason England were dominant between 01-03
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
I'm a kiwi and I agree.
@tombutcher3021
Жыл бұрын
The forgotten man. He was amazing. Sad his knees gave out.
Michael Jones should be number one. He was the most versatile of all flankers, who shifted to 6 as he lost speed due to injuries. McCaw was more of a rucking specialist, almost one-dimensional, though not really. Kaino should be top five. Thursday ngt - May 11, 2023.
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
He's no. 1 on my list
Excellent list. You nailed the order.
Olivier Magne is the best French flanker ever, with all due respect to Dusautoir. Also, Kaino is top 3 with McCaw and Smith, Richard Hill is definitely top 10. And, depending on how the next few years go, François Cros and JVdF will be in there.
@ShiNooBi1986
Жыл бұрын
Jean Pierre Reeves if your a student of the game...
@thomas_corbet
Жыл бұрын
@@ShiNooBi1986 A student of the game would spell it Rives ;) Tremendous player, Magne was better.
@cyrilpeps8525
Жыл бұрын
Thomas mon cher compatriote je suppose, Olivier Magne était un super flanker, coureur, mais un peu trop souvent dans la ligne de 3/4, à vouloir marquer. Très utile en touche également. Mais je me souviens d'un 3 contre 1 contre l Irlande où il était aller s'empaler un peu comme Woki contre les Blacks. Je met Betsen devant, Dusautoir aussi bien sûr. Et selon moi même un Olivon en milieu de carrière qui est dans le même registre mais en plus grand et plus fort est déjà meilleur aussi. Mais je suis pas un hater d'Olivier, hein, j'aurais adoré avoir un dixième de son talent!
@rikimackey7984
Жыл бұрын
I remember a guy called Cabannes. Open side flanker similar to Michael Jones in his prime.
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
@@thomas_corbet Mt Rushmore International Flankers Schalk Burger Thierry Dusautoir Michael Jones Richie McCaw
Ardie Savea and Josh Cronfield
@nikolakozhuharov1042
Жыл бұрын
you mean Kronfeld?
@jimbokiwi9322
Жыл бұрын
Savea is so good at flanker he plays at 8
Jerome Kaino was fun to watch, an absolute beast with the ball in his hands.
I always felt George Smith had the edge on McCaw but if it were only based on a flankers ability Richie would be further down the list. His other qualities such as leadership, rugby IQ, resilience and sheer grit elevated him above not just other flankers but everyone else as well. He also did it with such quiet dogged kiwi determination it's not a wonder he's idealised in New Zealand.
Don't forget Jones didn't play on Sundays for religious reasons. Pretty impressive list man
@tiriarere
Жыл бұрын
What has that got to do with playing the game?
@mauricegarvey4631
Жыл бұрын
@@tiriarere Because he missed out on some games, if it was scheuduled to be played on a Sunday
@bremCZ
Жыл бұрын
@@tiriarereHe believed that keeping the sabbath holy meant devoting the day to worship. So, no playing.
@nickofhelmet
Жыл бұрын
@@tiriarere responding to the narrator - he didn't play many tests due to the Sunday rule for himself.
@tuforu4
8 ай бұрын
@@bremCZ what religion i wonder the BRAND.
Nah man thats a *fair list!.* Imagine a trio of 6 Kaino 8 Ardie 7 Michael Jones For those of us who witnessed the great Michael *Jones* 🇳🇿 we can see a similarity of ability in Ardie *Savea* 🇳🇿 Michael was a hell of a player, who would hit hard but never dirty, no doubt top 3 of all time. Schalk *Burger* 🇿🇦 one my all time favorites, as Jerome Kaino said "when Schalk played we were in for a hell of a game" 😂 David *Pocock* 🇦🇺 100% the *best jackyler* in the game, once he was over the ball you can kiss it goodbye 👋 practically built perfectly for jackyling the ball. Honorable mention to a No 6 a damaging ball running juggernaut Owen *Finnegan* 🇦🇺 a 2 meter tall 120kg meter eater giant, no one apart from Jonah Lomu *dented* the line consistently like Owen Finnegan and though Gregan, Larkem and others got the praises it was Finnegan who was damaging defense lines, especially our A.B'z 😂 with ball in hand the guy was a *wrecking ball* MY LOOSE FORWARD TRIO FINNEGAN 🇦🇺 7 RICHIE 🇳🇿 SCHALK *BURGER* 🇿🇦 20 MICHAEL *JONES* 🇳🇿
@KnightWing274
Жыл бұрын
Pocock is really overrated.. He struggled with injury and form through most his career.. He ended his final years in the wallabies with a bang.. But if you remembered super rugby that same year 2015.. His performances were mediocre.. I rate Michael Hooper higher cause even in the bad games.. He was always one of their best players.. Pocock was never that guy.. Pocock is like Quade Cooper in his prime.. Best international rugby stats but he was losing the rucks to liam gill in super rugby like clearly and hooper was always hooper.. 110% all day Consistency should matter more to these ratings
@KnightWing274
Жыл бұрын
Pocock on his team's off games.. He is almost non existent.. B4 Michael was captain.. They were gona give it to pocock and there was a game, where he took over the captaincy from stephen Moore In the 2nd half vs AB's.. It turned from a tight game to a trashing and he was making mistakes left and right.. Hooper and Folau were the ones playing against the tide
@MeanAzz_13
Жыл бұрын
@@KnightWing274 on your analogy of lack of *consistent form* from Super rugby to Tests with Pocock then that means *Ma'a Nonu* is a failure then. He was always inconsistent with Super rugby but a All Time beast in Tests. Hopper is a class act but I'd still have Pocock rhe guy was impossible to move off the ball once he was over it.
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
Thierry Dusautoir 6 Michael Jones 7 Zinzan Brooke 8
@MeanAzz_13
Жыл бұрын
@@JaemanEdwards solid az
You're good at this bro. Watched all your vids. You're spot on
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
He always omits crucial players.
Great video. I would've included Josh Kronfeld, Olivier Magne, Ray Price, Corne Krige, Sean O'Brien or Neil Back but that's the beauty of these types of videos - it gets people talking. Plus, I didn't make the video 😁 Keep up the great work. Really enjoying your content.
@carlbotha1289
Жыл бұрын
Don't forget Jan Ellis and Piet Greying from the amateur days!
That's a great list! Thank you!
I recall most of his games vs the top teams Richard Hill out played George Smith and even Richie McCaw. Hill was England's best forward during their best era where the pack was winning them everything. Who to drop... Collins or Kaino. Brutal impact several Bok 6s also have, and several lock/6s have these days. and a certain Zimbabwean member of the Woolf Pack deserves a mention .
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
Hill should definitely be on the list. From a kiwi
@Andy_M986
Жыл бұрын
Not often enough though.
Eddie Jones will openly say that George Smith was by a considerable margin the best player he had ever coached, old Eddie has seen some talent as well.
Josh Kronfeld redefined flankers so was unlucky not to be mentioned. And Ardie Savea would be on the list now I expect. But a great list. Well done
As a South African there are so many SA players I'd take ahead of Burger. PSdT, Juan Smith and if older players are eligible the list will be very long. Also, Heinrich Brussow owned many of these top ranked players at the ruck as part of probably the only dominant Bok side in the pro era and if he had more caps I'm sure he'd be in there.
@morapelimokokomali7907
6 ай бұрын
Brussow was too good and World Rugby changed the rules to make it illegal. I also liked Luke Watson, Francois Louw and the Argentinian Juan Martin Fernandez Lobbe
@heretic9344
6 ай бұрын
Brussow broke rugby. Like literally broke it. He completely disrupted the entire game during the 08 and 09 seasons. Coaches had no idea what to do about him and it made for some saucy pundit conversations and columns in sports journals. But then he was made redundant by a single cycle rule change. Pity. The greatest ever jackler in a very niche and specific set of rugby laws.
Really agree with this selection!
that's a pretty fair list and an intelligent appraisal of their skills and ranking....
As with any top ten list there are those who would miss out despite deserving a place on this list but I cannot deny the players that were picked fully deserved their spots on this list
Josh Kronfeld, Corne Krige, Owen Finegan
Michael Ice Man Jones was a phenom
How did Reuben Krueger not make the list?
@jurgensdejager3096
Жыл бұрын
The silent assassin, feared by the All Blacks
Brilliant summary!
George Smith was leagues above Pocock. That's from a Saffa
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
From a kiwi. I agree
Greatness is subjective.
Josh Kronfeld deserved a mention. He was revolutionary in the age of the" lazy line".
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
Him picking Liam Messam on the special mentions list ahead of All Black greats like Josh Kronfield and Allan Whetton is just crazy. Ignorant Irishman
sean o brian mate, for his grit
💯 agree with your list
Pretty solid list
In my opinion. 6 and 7 are the best positions on the feild. Its critical the flankers are on top form for any team. They can win you a game with their ability to read an attack and snuff it out, Also by making breaks or simply supporting an attack dog
Josh kronfeld ?
Jean-Pierre Rives Ruben Kruger Richard Hill Ian Kirkpatrick Lewis Moody
A great list however was surprised that Thierry Dusautoir wasn't there (NZ Fan)
Du Toit gets an honourable mention. Kolisi not even mentioned.
All though its a pretty good list , Ardie Savea is right up there as one of the best and would have been on my list and being a kiwi i hate saying it, but Hooper would also be higher up and a few more S.A aswell
Michael Jones was the Michael Jordan of Rugby pure athleticism and skill🤙
Tullow Tank?, the only man that took a blind hit from Courtney Lawes and wasn´t smashed in the process
I think Dussautoir should be higher ranked. Nice video and picks though 👍
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
I agree. 1. Michael Jones 2. Thierry Dusatoir 3. Richie McCaw
Heinrich Brüssow could steal a ball through a key hole. He was David Pocock's kryptonite. He was also a player who won penalties at huge moments.
Sean O’Brien….seriously? Has to be on the list
Hard to argue with this line up
Jean Pierre Reeves was the greatest because he did it with just one functioning shoulder. Would want to play wiith someone that tough, not against.
Mccaw is 💯 the best in my time of watching rugby. It's hard to put any other international 7 above him as I'm from new Zealand so I am biased. Best 7 nz ever produced in my time, I was a bit young to experience Michael Jones but from the comments and from listening to my old man, he was right up there 👍
@barnabebatisse8552
5 ай бұрын
Yes your biased because the legend tell this guy was born offside !
Josh Kronfeld for sure
Great commentary ! Unless I am wrong you also narrate an athletics channel too ?
@RelentlessRugby
7 ай бұрын
Thanks, yes I do
So the 10 greatest flankers of all time ALL played in the last 25 years? I don't think so.
@bigscaryman7421
Жыл бұрын
Proffessional players who get paid to train are always going to be better than amatures
@julyanpaul3688
6 ай бұрын
How about Waka Nathan? Budge Rodgers, anyone?
@michaelbuhagiar6203
5 ай бұрын
@@julyanpaul3688I completely agree that Waka Nathan should be there, along with his fellow flanker Kel Tremayne in NZ's greatest ever back row (with No. 8 Brian Lochore). If you watch footage of AB tests in the 1960s Nathan is always on the ball. A No. 6 who played like a No, 7.
As a kiwi I liked Keiran Read and Zinzan Brooke also. I think other countries fans could name one or two flankers they might like as well.
@canadiancontent352
Жыл бұрын
Both 8's
No David Wallace, the pace of a winger and was incredible at the breakdown, but there have been so many greats 👍
@JohnSmith-wo2fz
Жыл бұрын
He didn't have any irish players. Typical anti-irish media.
no one's mentioned Martyn Williams - brilliant, smart
David Wilson, Australia as well?
Olivon is very impressive imho. played an amazing 6 nations.
Lewis Moody & Ruben Kruger the most fearless.
@jeremyrogers4839
Жыл бұрын
Some absolute greats here, but from an SA perspective, Kruger is on my list!
They never won a match at the World Cup but I remember a Flanker from Namibia who was at another level even though Namibia would be getting smashed he just kept going, can’t remember his name though.
@sokkhamonghay5252
Жыл бұрын
Jacques Burger
Ian Kirkpatrick, Rives, (oui, automatically Skrela's name pops up,) Teague, Slattery ... I guess the creator did not go that far back to the amateurs, though everyone knew the French players were getting paid! I guess it's hard to compare the two eras.
McCaw at the top, rightfully so .
Greatest flankers in rugby history....yes if you look with one eye. I am a South African and I immediately wonder why Jean Pierre Reeves is not even in this guys top 10. What about a man like Rob Louw and Rassie Erasmus and Ruben Kruger and Whal Bartmann further back we have men like Jan Ellis, Thys Louwrens and Jan-Boland Coetzee.....and many more.
Jan Ellis
Waka Nathan?
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
The 'Black Panther'
@ben9l351
6 ай бұрын
a player ahead of his time
McCaw, Schalk, Collins. Imagine dealing with that.
@TheMarketSniper1
6 ай бұрын
with a proper ref, i'd swap RM with Josh Kronveld
I agree with all the players on this list They are surely the 10 best but I don't think we can rank them. Warburton, Dusautoir, Hooper or Collins... all these players were decisive for their team. But I can't come up with a name that's better than the others, personally.
I’d have Hill and O’Brien on my list
Ruben Kruger.
Jones Hill Rives but also loved watching Teague Skinner Champ Winterbottom Cabannes and Kronfeld. Collins was really an 8.
@tommyhassan3545
Жыл бұрын
Winterbottom Teague skinner and champ were great players and rives and I’m a Welshman
@MrSuperdave75
Жыл бұрын
@@tommyhassan3545 also Fergus Slattery.
Ruben Kruger from SA must be the unluckiest player in history... denied a try in 95 RWC Final and injured as Captain just before the Blue Bulls had their golden age. A humble soul who disliked the limelight yet played brilliant rugby. Played way to few tests for his country.
WOW no Jean Pierre Rives, Graham Mourie, Jan Ellis, Peter Winterbottom, Josh Kronfeld, Ray Price, Rob Louw, Ian Kirkpatrick, Fergus Slattery, John Jefferies, Simon Poidevin, Waka Nathan, Kel Tremain
Richie McCaw, when asked who, for him, the best flankers ever were, his top was Lewis Moody - the man was a "bloody beast" - McCaw's own words. He also had Schalk Berger in there, at 4th, Richard Hill (England) at 3rd, and Theirry Dusautoir (France) at 2nd
@graemebrown5115
6 ай бұрын
I thought he said George Smith
@RugbyPass81
6 ай бұрын
@@graemebrown5115 No apparently definitely Lewis Moody. Moody by name and Moody by nature they reckon. For me, though, as someone who plays 7 myself, Richie McCaw is the pinnacle of openside flankers. Plus his work ethic was something else; I remember reading about him and in the segment it said of how the other NZ players all had their boots cleaned by the staff responsible for this, but McCaw always did his own as he said it kept him honest and kept him accountable. I don't know how true that story is, but I like believe it's true.
No Zinzan Brooke?
@mtnstrand2819
Жыл бұрын
Zinzan Brook was a number eight.
@robertrose8160
Жыл бұрын
@@mtnstrand2819 Early on Brooke was mostly a flanfker
SA Flankers Jan Ellis Piet Greyling Thys Lourens and Burger Geldenhuys
Michael jones was the best 7 i ever saw, jerome kaino probably the best 6. Graham mourie, Rives the french captain was a wonderful player, waka Nathan, ian Kirkpatrick, Kell Tremaine. Richie mc caw wasn't a bad player either.
@sage6336
Жыл бұрын
There are other nationality
Not even a mention of Sean O'brien?????
@JaemanEdwards
Жыл бұрын
"Who the fook is that guy"?
@recliningroberto8873
6 ай бұрын
The Tullow Tank!
Sam Warburton is a controversial top tenner when there’s blokes like Juan Smith and Serge Betzen out there. Warburton doesn’t come anywhere near those workhorses.
No Fergus Slattery, no list!
As much as i admire and respect McCaw, if i was forced to pick 2 for a World Cup final tomorrow it would likely be the combination of Michael Jones and George Smith.
Not even a mention of Josh Kronfeld? I would like to see the list split into two top tens for open and blindside. Too many great players of each position not being recognised. What about AJ Venter? Simon Poideven?
Jean Pierre Rives, Fergus Slattery, John Jeffrey, Roger Uttley, Neil Back?
The unsung French Flanker Abdullahtef Benazir Los Pumas Pablo Matera another
I am a flank and no one gets past me.