Rhystic study. Got like 20-30 of them in a bulk common box when prophecy set dropped. Now apparently they’re worth $30-35 each and they’re a staple in commander. 😮

@EspherMercury

Жыл бұрын

It was a junk common I collected from my play group during Prophecy era. I liquidated my collection many years ago (when it had gone from

@palwatcher6903

Жыл бұрын

and now WoTC is afraid to reprint it as common. freaking degenerates.

@jordanbrulez717

Жыл бұрын

Sell me one

@cnieznan

Жыл бұрын

And rising.

@Mewseeker

9 ай бұрын

"Do you pay the _1_ ?" :P

This is a pretty good list other than BRO WHERE IS LION'S EYE DIAMOND? It's literally the poster child for this kind of card!

@timw9745

Жыл бұрын

Yeah weird, LED usually is at the top this list.

@matthewgagnon9426

11 ай бұрын

LED needed to get errata'd several times because people kept finding ways to break it. It didn't really take that long to become super strong.

@starmanda88

4 ай бұрын

I don’t think LED took that long to catch on 😅

The way Mystic Remora is basically the MTG version of a Maxx-C but with a counter available on it and more permenant.

@zennim125

Жыл бұрын

which kinda balances out in the end since even though it can stay on the field for multiple turns, it gets expensive really fast when the opponent goes slow

@mattjayce2339

Жыл бұрын

​@@zennim125MTG's Maxx "C" is Mental Misstep. Down to the heated debates around it.

@petrie911

Жыл бұрын

​@@mattjayce2339 Is there debate about it? It seems pretty well agreed to be broken.

@mattjayce2339

Жыл бұрын

@@petrie911 there were debates about Misstep for years, until it wss finally restricted in Vintage.

@guyinthecorner0

3 ай бұрын

wouldn't maxx c be the ygo version of remora

Bauble was expensive way before urza. It was a core card in jund, as a free way to grow goyf, let you know if you should use a second thoughtseize and so on. Was also important to the lantern decks. Hence, 50$ baubles until it's first reprint.

@danlorett2184

Жыл бұрын

The original, worse version (Urza's Bauble) was considered a decent card even a million years ago in the dark ages

@gabeflannery9750

Жыл бұрын

It was also used in death's shadow decks to fill the graveyard for delve cards as well as to have information on opponents draws so that you knew when to go in.

@adrien720856

10 ай бұрын

@@gabeflannery9750 i don't remember death shadow's deck playing delve cards at that time, but tarmogoyf for sure. Some lists were even playing a one-off tar fire.

I remember running goblin lore in a deck that tried to get teresian mindbreaker into the graveyard and bruvac onto the battlefield to unearth it and mill an opponent's deck all at once. It was a weird deck for sure, but super fun when it worked well.

I think you clearly left off Bazaar of Baghdad. This card was at one point just $20 and was literally considered trash. Then people began to realize the kind of stipulations with graveyard shenanigans, and now it’s VERY banned in Legacy and is a huge staple in vintage

Lion's Eye Diamond. The card was unplayable until Dredge became an archetype

Pretty sure during the grindstone section, that card was supposed to be archive trap and not mind break trap

Urza wasn’t the reason Bauble started seeing a spike in usage. It was the rise of a card on this list, Death’s Shadow. Once someone figured out how to build shadow with the newly released Delirium mechanic, Bauble shot up a ton in use. Cause it replaced itself by providing a free card, but it was also a hard type to come by for delirium to get full value out of your Traverse the Ulvenwald

For me, the most common example was Krark Clan Ironworks, It appeared in fifth dawn and it didn't do anything during those days until someone used it in the infamous KCI combo deck.

Mishra's Bauble was played well before Urza. Urza just made it see even more play. Bauble was over $10 for good reason by 2016 because it was seeing play in Delrium decks as a free means to turn on Delirum. It also play in Death's Shadow and Delve decks as a way to put a card for free into the graveyard to power out Gurmag Angler or before that, Treasure Cruise. You are right that it was a nothing when it was printed in 2006 but it was seeing play in a variety of circumstances well before Urza.

@jasonslade6259

Жыл бұрын

Also as an enabler for Tarmagoyf, Affinity and Fatal Push.

@danlorett2184

Жыл бұрын

Also wanted to say the ORIGINAL Mishra's Bauble (Urza's Bauble) saw play at times too, though it wasn't considered a strong card.

I remember the Donate/Illusions of Grandeur combo from back in the day. Illusions of Grandeur was not played at all until that combo.

@jamesheyworth4370

Жыл бұрын

Aaaah memories of the Illusions art. Thanks man.

@hellcopterts8895

3 ай бұрын

Yep, that combo was the reason i quit magic kkk

14:36 I think you meant to show Archive Trap instead of Mindbreak Trap, whoops.

@christopherlundgren1700

Жыл бұрын

haha I was scratching my head about what the Mindbreak Trap was supposed to signify

I don't see anyone saying anything about Helm of Obedience, a card from Ice Age that almost nobody knew existed until Guildpact turned it into a killing machine when combined with Leyline of the Void. (Maybe too similar to the Painter/Grindstone synergy, but Helm can combine with several different cards now.)

Painted Stone was the reason I first got into Legacy back in 2010. I loved the combo, plus all the Luther creative ways it made use of Painter Servant (i.e. naming "blue," then using Red Elemntal Blast to destroy anything, or being able to discard any card in hand for FoW). Also, Splinter Twin was a bulk rare for a while too. Not quite as long as cards on this list, but at least until Drceiver Exarch was printed, & Modern was created soon after.

@Finngrinder

Жыл бұрын

Jaya Ballard in Painterstone

It didn't really "take years" for Death's Shadow to be good. All the cards were there before that was printed--Shocks date back to 2005-6, Zendikar fetches were the set before Shadow (if we're just considering Modern legality here) and were fully sufficient for Shadow because off-color doesn't matter when all you fetch are shocks, and Thoughtseize was 2008. It just took someone to put it all together, not something new to come out. Shadow didn't "become good" with a new printing or legality like your other cards. It just took someone to figure it out, which is a bit different from the other cards on your list. Dark Depths is a great top pick and fits your criteria so well--that sucked until Hexmage got printed and then Thespian's Stage.

@Magic_M_Hayashi

Жыл бұрын

MHayashi here. Yes, I love how the assumption is always that good cards are realized right away. But I've found so many excellent cards that all existed for some time but just weren't put in the right shell before (most of the cards I've personally found being in the Obosh Red deck I like to play, which otherwise might not have a home outside of it).

@ChaosForce08

Жыл бұрын

Tbf, Stubborn Denial wasn't printed until 2014, which at the time was a pretty key defensive card for the Grixis version of the deck to protect it and its Gurmag Angler buddy. Temur Battle Rage was also printed around the time, but ultimately wasn't critical to the card. At the time, though, it was much better to play it because you had Gitaxian Probe to both lose life and check if the coast was clear.

@Atmapalazzo

Жыл бұрын

I'd have to argue that the benefits from Khans block were integral to shadow. Allied fetches allowed for more flexible color combinations and generally a greater amount of fetches in general. That combined with the delve creatures and ferocious spells gave it what it really needed.

@christopherlundgren1700

Жыл бұрын

I thought that Death's Shadow might be really powerful in Vintage owing to the ease with which you can reduce your own life total. That never happened, but the fact that it eventually got picked up in Modern and Legacy at least helped me feel like I wasn't totally crazy on thinking it could be good.

@man.newton

Жыл бұрын

Also worth noting that Suicide Zoo was figured out significantly before Khans block, even if it doesn't heavily resemble Shadow lists of today.

Mycosynth Lattice and Inverter of Truth really got the ol' Halq Treatment; getting banned because a newer, infinitely more toxic card got released and "we can't ban a card we're currently selling!"

@coffinsonio

Жыл бұрын

Tbh halq should stay banned along with verte anaconda

Mystic Remora was popular in vintage way before CEdh was a thing. It was used with Meditate and Repeal so the Upkeep cost wasn't a problem.

Notably, Deaths Shadow had almost all of it's support existing at the time of printing, but didn't have the "level up" that players needed to be able to use it to it's best.

You didn't mention how Bauble works exceptionally well in Delver, the best Legacy deck: -It's a noncreature spell, which triggers Dragon Rage Channeler, immediately giving more value than intended (surveil 1). -It goes to the graveyard by itself or can be surveiled by DRC, at which point it's a new card type for delirium. -By going to the graveyard and drawing afterward, it's essentially a cantrip so the floor is very high. And it's an easy extra card in the graveyard for delving Murktide Regent. -Although you can only look at the top card and not move it, if you don't like your top card, you can use a fetch land to shuffle your library, essentially working as card selection.

Such a cool video idea. Great job as always!

While I've never played the game much, I always liked looking at the cards, and I remember thinking Dark Depths looked pretty neat for a long time. I liked its concept, and it was hard to ignore a 20/20 flying indestructible monster resulting from something. That and I also had a weirdly specific fear of sea monsters. So, many years later and after you started this channel, it always delights me to see the Thalassian nightmare get mentioned so often, and in such prominent spots on your lists too.

You should do some top 10 artwork lists for MTG and Yugioh

@RedSpade37

Жыл бұрын

That's a good idea, but since there's so many good examples, maybe a "Top 100" would be justified? There's just sooo many to choose from these days! As an "old head" I still can't get over it.

@sum1being396

Жыл бұрын

@@RedSpade37 Going over every card might be too much to ask maybe specific top 10s like top 10 green enchantments

@RedSpade37

Жыл бұрын

@@sum1being396 Great idea!

@thatguymatt5816

Жыл бұрын

I don’t know, I like hearing about mechanics and weird interactions. Art is cool and all but for me personally it wouldn’t be that interesting of a list

Great list! Hope we see more soon

Great analysis video! Thanks for uploading!

I am really surprised Tarmogoyf isn't on this list. It was a bulk rare on release and for years and then became a defining card of Modern and Legacy

@modernminded5466

Жыл бұрын

It was a bulk card for weeks before people realized how good it was. But it did become a lot better once Thoughtsieze got released.

@tatesmith4527

Жыл бұрын

Then it came back to a bulk rare again with post Modern Horizon Modern...

@randommaster06

Жыл бұрын

Tarmogoyf was figured out pretty quick. It was one of the biggest price jumps, but the actual amount of time wasn't that long. I was expecting Lion's Eye Diamond. That card was a joke until Infernal Tutor got printed.

@Finngrinder

Жыл бұрын

That was for like a week. Also, Tarmogoyf spiked during Modern and Legacy hype days, way after it was to be found anywhere from Standard to Vintage so much that players joked about including it in Merfolk, Gobbos or Combo Decks

@Finngrinder

Жыл бұрын

@@randommaster06 it was not. There was as far as I remember a rule that allowed you to cast instant status cards while discarding them. It exploded with Infernal though, for sure

High Tide. Printed in late 1994 in Fallen Empires, wasn't even touched until Urza's Saga was printed 4 years later.

@tymistry

8 ай бұрын

there are cards that were "bad" for longer, 4 years is not much by MTG standards

Very nice content! Keep uploading

I enjoyed this video and I love hearing about cards that get good out of nowhere. On that similar theme: I've been really impressed with Nightcreep in my "cEDH" Mono black list. Little well known card that deserves more love ❤️

I remember getting laughed at for buying multiple playsets of Dark Depths when it first dropped in Coldsnap, the card was called a noobtrap. Years later it became a Legacy deck.

indomitable creativity was probably the most fun standard deck i built when cryptolith rites was in the format too, use the tokens to make the mana, get 4 creatures out on turn 4, win the game

What made Indomitable Creativity good was the printing of Fable of the Mirror Breaker, which proved to be the perfect partner for it.

My top two would be 2. Lions Eye Diamond and 1. Bazaar of Baghdad

@tymistry

8 ай бұрын

Incorrect LED was bulk rare until Storm, and Bazaar was not good until Dredge, both Storm and Dredge did not exist until years later @@XCodes

Remora has been played in vintage for yeeeears

Sweet list. I suggest using the original printing of the card so you can see when it was printed.

Black is my favorite color and I love Inverter of Truth. The big body, low cost, risky negative effects are so appealing in a masochistic way.

God damn, these tier lists just keep topping one another, getting more interesting and original by the video

I believe you wanted to show Archive Trap with grindstone and not Mindbreak Trap. :)

How on earth did Lion's Eye Diamond not be number one?!?! Not that the list as a whole was bad, but it's an epic fail to miss the literal poster child of this completely.

@elijahbuck6499

Жыл бұрын

Similar to the reason why deaths shadow shouldn’t have been on here, it was already busted with all the support it needed out, it just needed someone to put it together.

@ChaosForce08

Жыл бұрын

@@XCodes Infernal Tutor was really important for it, though. Even in Legacy today it only really sees play with Infernal Tutor and Madness strategies.

@MikeGosot4

Жыл бұрын

​@XCodes It came before Storm, Dredge and easy ways to recur it, there are magazines of the time calling it a joke even if they recognized the play of it being used in responseto a tutor, it's really not a stretch to say it wasn't considered good at all

@MikeGosot4

Жыл бұрын

The only way you could say Lions Eye Diamond was always good was if you consider the pre-errata version good, but it was generally not seem as a competitive card even then, and the 1999 errata really killed it until 2003.

@MikeGosot4

Жыл бұрын

@XCodes By what logic? Solemn Judgement is a not a synergy-dependent card. LED is, so you need to point out how and where it would be broken after the 99 errata but before the 2003 spike, and i was pointing out that all of the high ceiling LED decks did not exist for years. It wasn't used, it wasn't good, for years. You could say it was broken as a mana source before the errata, but that's not the same card at that point. Maybe you could say it was used in Reanimator, but it really wasnt a competitive option. LED wasnt good.

I think it's fitting that a card called Goblin Lore is used in a deck that's about utilising RNG to flood the board with random shit.

my favorite combo with mycosynth lattice was using it with norin the wary and confusion in the ranks.

Eater of Days was a rubbish bulk rare where it forces the controller to skip their next two turns. It was like that until Beamtown Bullies came. That turned that card into something to expect in a Commander deck as a staple with Beamtown Bullies as the Commander. Didn't make any waves, but it shows that something pointless and garbage today could become very useful tomorrow with the right card(s).

no lions eye diamond?

@edstone9890

Жыл бұрын

that def should be number one lol thing had a 10000% price spike when they made the vedgevine dredge deck lol

@JD-gk7eh

Жыл бұрын

That card was broken as early as 2003, when it was restricted in Vintage, so most people remember it as a powerful card rather than the unplayable nonsense it was designed to be. (But even then, Madness decks in 2001 were using it effectively.)

@danlorett2184

Жыл бұрын

@@JD-gk7eh It was printed in 1996. It's literally the card that defines this archetype. It was the original rags-to-riches card.

@agentofashcroft

Жыл бұрын

@@danlorett2184 yep, i'm looking at a 1999 Inquest magazine price guide and it's a $2 chaff rare

Amazing!!!!!🎉

Goblin Lore isn’t the Glue of Hollow One. That honor belongs to Burning Inquiry.

I don't know about ice age times, but in my kitchen table days in the early 2000 we played a lot of multiplayer magic.

Maybe this should be two videos: 1) Junk cards that became good in Commander Format; 2) Junk Cards that became good later

I thought of Phyrexian Dreadnought. Countering it's triggered ability ended up being quite a good deal. :v

An average cEDH definitely doesn't usually win by the turn 1 or 2

Eruth, Tormented Prophet finally gives Tibalt, the Fiend-blooded a home (actually many cards a home). Eruth turns Tibalt’s +1 from a chaotic looting effect to your own personal impulsive Howling Mine. Both Eruth and Tibalt were introduced in Innistrad, so there are flavor and synergistic reasons to run the two together.

Why was mindbreak trap shown when talking about mill?

mishra’s bauble i think has always been undervalued until it gained popularity with DRC. One single card can give away an entire deck and then you’d know the entire 75

Inverter was not printed in battle for zendikar but in oath of the gate watch

would have been better if you put in the video the info on how long from printing to when it became viable. like years months (and day if viable)

interesting list. Goyf and Bazaar of Baghdad before Dredge might also be strong contenders. Wasn't bauble also kinda interesting for Delve strategies and as an Delirium enabler?

@christopherb501

Жыл бұрын

I hope you don't mean _Tarmo_ goyf; that came out a year-and-a-half after the first dredge.

@quarktasche4997

Жыл бұрын

@@christopherb501 I guess that I phrased this sloppily: Tarmogoyf (not related to dredge) and Bazaar of Baghdad (greatly benefit from dredge) both took their fair time, to jump from being a fringe(?) playable to being absolutely meta-defining for some period of time

@christopherlundgren1700

Жыл бұрын

@@quarktasche4997 I don't think I agree about Tarmogoyf. It went under the radar for a really brief time, but people caught on almost immediately that it was broken in Legacy. So even if you say that it didn't take over standard for a bit, it was always really good in a major format.

"Karn is just a narrow tech against artifact decks" Liquimetal coating, graveyard hate, pithing needle, any of the countless sideboard artifacts: are we a joke to you?

Extremely surprised not to see Lantern Control cards anywhere on here

@AT-il2ej

Жыл бұрын

Nothing really caused it to pop. Just enough things finally piled up to be kinda playable.

@coffinsonio

Жыл бұрын

I feel like lantern control was good but never great enough to be one of these kinds of things

No Lion's Eye Diamond? That card was sa bulk rare for about a decade until Infernal Tutor came around.

you missed one thing with deaths shadow there's also the printing of "Phyrexian Unlife" which basically changes damage to poison when your life is 0 but most importantly you don't lose the game. the key of why it's so good with death shadow is you can loophole the clause with life loss or payment since that's not damage with the shocks and fetches basically negative life it gets +1/+1 for each -1 of life

@coffinsonio

Жыл бұрын

He didn't miss that because that's bad, also deaths shadow hasn't worked that way since 2020.

Thoughts on this death’s shadow deck. I want to make a death shadow deck where you get to twelve cast deaths shadow swing in, then cast something like patriars humiliation so the shadow loses its abilities but maintains its stat line. So it becomes a 13/13

@chrisschweitzer5558

10 ай бұрын

The card you are looking for is Dress Down.

@cardking1243

10 ай бұрын

@@chrisschweitzer5558 sorry in my comment I wasn’t clear enough. The problem with dress down is that it only lasts a turn so you first have to get below twelve, play a death shadow, wait a turn, then dress down. I meant something that stuck around the battlefield so you could play shadow at any life total and it’d be a 1 mana 13/13.

I've been playing commander since it was called EDH in 2010 and mystic remora was both good and highly played even then...you're crazy XD

@thatguyintherain3168

Жыл бұрын

It was printed way before 2010. He didnt say it took the card until recently to be good. 2002-2010 is several years.

@brandonguffey5959

Жыл бұрын

@@thatguyintherain3168 actually he specifically stated the card saw very little play in EDH until the rise of CEDH which is factually incorrect. He can be right about the card not being popular or strong for a long time but still be wrong about when it became popular friend.

I'm sure someone else have pointed this out, but at 14:40 surely Archive Trap should be on screen, not Mindbreak Trap

Illusionary Mask should be on the list. It was unplayable until errata was made on Phyrexian Dreadnaught to work with it.

Can’t believe you didn’t mention how fable of the mirror breaker was so good for creativity. It makes a creature that gives you an artifact, lets you find creativity, then gives you ANOTHER creature

Goblin Lore seems like a great Timmy card, they don't print many of them today.

As someone playing since early 1994, I can assure you that casual players have been playing multi-player since the very beginning. Commander may have been the first multiplayer format that WOTC intentionally and consistently designs for, but it is absolutely incorrect to say that in the beginning there was only 1v1. Couldn’t be further from the truth.

Mishra's Bauble is kinda like Pot of Greed, isn't it? Its just a free card that replaces it. or jar of greed, I guess.

How is High Tide not here? It was a regarded as a trash common from what was generally regarded as a trash set from '94 until '99, then it blew up after the High Tide deck won Grand Prix Vienna.

14:45 mindbreak trap isn't a mill spell it's a counter spell?

@fernandobanda5734

Жыл бұрын

Probably meant to be Archive Trap

you added an image of mindbreak trap instead of archive trap when talking about guaranteed mill

is goblin lore still a viable deck lol was it ever viable or like tier 2 or 3

I'm not sure if anybody else brought this up yet.But demonic consultation was laughable until oracle came out

I'm suprised flash wasn't on this list... printed in mirage. Was never played at all.. all of a sudden it won a PT with protean hulk and was emergency banned. Being able to win on your opponents first upkeep via gemstone caverns and discard mana was kinda game breaking.

shoulda added lantern. card literally made a insanely good deck that won at the highest level in modern

0:47 we wree playing 4-5 player free for alls at that time. Unless you meant no officially sanctioned play modes except 1v1.

Lion’s Eye Diamond should have been number one. It was a $.25 rare for almost a decade before dredge was a thing. A lot longer then all the others on this list.

Mycosynth Lattice is one of the few cards I absolutely hate to play against. There were so many decks when it first came out that just abused the hell out of it and I got sick of seeing it. I think I have only been able to beat it one time. It is just such an unassuming card that is just come headache. They said Karn was the thing that made it good but no. March of the Machine(the card not the set) and Hykurl's Recall are what really makes Mycosynth Lattice good, bouncing everything or junking your opponents lands are devastating.

Do the Top 10 BAD Cards that saw competitive play back then. Like Erhnam Djinn. Admittedly, for its cost and stat line, the creature's still decent of its kind, but there are MUCH better options nowadays.

@FranciscoJG

Жыл бұрын

Isn't it simpler just to say "powercreeped"?

@kennydarmawan13

Жыл бұрын

@@FranciscoJG True.

surprised at the lack of lantern of insight

Maybe Lion's Eye Diamond?

This happens in YGO way too often.

00:47 This is absolutely not true, I played in plenty of 2 headed giant tourneys and everyone for themselves games in the mid 90's.

Wasn't LED a bulk rare for about a decade?

Mishras bauble was played wayyyy before urza in modern

Odyssey has fetchlands reprinted in Tarkir. News to me.

I'm trying to remember a MTG card, and I just can't remember it's name. It was an artifact that gave 1 colorless mana to each player for every artifact they had.

@brocklebeau3007

Жыл бұрын

Blinkmoth urn?

@GhostOfRazgiz

Жыл бұрын

@@brocklebeau3007 I think that's it.

Am I missing something or is bauble just an autoinclude in every deck because it makes your deck effectively 56 cards.

@chall3ng33v3rything

Жыл бұрын

It does not immediately replace itself. And every turn is exceptionally important so if it gums up a slot that could have been used on a 1 mana removal piece or something similar. It is a good card though!

@fernandobanda5734

Жыл бұрын

Drawing one turn later is a big cost in certain situations, such as keeping a hand with Bauble that could've had something else (and it will, but you won't know what until after you keep) or when topdecking.

there's a fine line between "cards that are useless now but will eventually be good" and "cards that are useless now but will eventually be banned"

Lions eye diamond was missed

Where are LED and Illusions Of Grandeur?

The section with Myco Lattice is wrong, the card became popular and good with the release of Dark Steel Forge and Nevs disk. Allowing you every turn board wipe everyones board but yours.

@fernandobanda5734

Жыл бұрын

In what format and era was that played?

You made it seem like creativity decks don't use creature tokens anymore when that is still one of the main ways

@coffinsonio

Жыл бұрын

He forgot how dwarven mine is kinda the glue for that deck

Plains :)

14:38 should it be archive trap not mindbreak trap?😂

Summer bloom is pretty good in my Zask deck

@DrewskiTheLegend

10 ай бұрын

Summer Bloom is pretty good in Amulet Bloom.

Commander is older than 2010, like, much older.

You put mystic remora but not rystic study ?!?!?!?! Rystic study wasnt played for 10years, there is also lyons eye diamond that wasnt played and that is now a massive combo piece with underworld breach !!

14:38 wrong trap?)

I guess CEDH is in somewhere between modern and legacy.

Going in blind, I better see mycosynth lattice lol.