Watch Rob's review of the amazon basics plane here: kzread.info/dash/bejne/p6SkyNumc8fSeqw.html

That sound comparison was absolutely gold! Things like that are so helpful when you're new and learning. Absolutely loved this movie.

Watching you struggle with these two inferior planes made me smile. It was as if I were watching myself back when I was trying to learn how to use hand tools after many years of roughing machines and sandpaper. I started watching you about a year and a half ago and I'm proud to say that because of you and your videos, I can now use hand tools in my projects with neither fear nor anger. Thank you, Rob Cosman!

I started with a stanley handyman and 100% thought it was my fault not knowing what i was doing until I bought a woodriver plane and could instantly feel the difference. I agree buy a plane that works .

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

Cheap doesn't mean you are getting a good deal!

It's the sound from the Stanley that I recognize. My father had one exactly like what you showed and spent hours trying to plane wood for different projects with it, never could get it quite right, no matter what he tried. In the end, he opted to use a sander and left the plane to gather dust. Thank you for the reality check. I'll definitely keep my Dad's plane as a memento but will save up to buy an effective tool. I really wish my father would have had access to the information you're sharing, he would have loved it. Thanks you, I feel fortunate that I can learn from you.

@Kunfucious577

10 ай бұрын

So true.

"Rob fighting with cheap rubbish planes". I had a lot of fun watching this 😂 Thanks for the reality check and your honest reviews!

Good video Rob! I have a Stanley Handyman #4 size that I filed the mouth open and rounded the corners on the iron, made for a very functional scrub plane.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

Yup that's good option for it. I should have said that in the video

Really nice video, and the sound difference with a really good plane tells the whole story.

Please keep them coming, these videos are a wealth of knowledge.... Thanks

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

Keep watch and we will keep filming

I am so happy I watched this.. you rock RobC!! Woo-hoo, I almost purchased a handyman last week off of kijiji, the sale fell flat and I ended up with a wood river #4.. I could not be more happy.. this video somehow justifies it even more! Keep up the amazing work Rob and Team, you guys/gals are amazing, truly an amazing team😀

@jimrobinson8167

2 жыл бұрын

Wood river from Kijiji. You lucky dog.. I’ve been watching and nothing here in Kingston Ontario… May you have thin sharp shavings..lol

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

Sounds like a great used find. You will be happy with it

Rob that is an excellent video. Watching you jump your way thru and listening to these planes just confirms what I thought. I have a number of lie Nielsen’s and two bedrocks. Totally different. I would call these planes next years’s Toyota’s!

Thanks Rob, you can definitely hear the difference, I agree. Keep on smiling.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching

Thanks for this, very educational to see you wrestle to get any good shaving from that handyman. I bought and ‘restored’ one for $10 and struggle to get continuous thin shavings, seeing you go through the same struggle I now realize that this isn’t my amateur restoring skills or dullness, but in fact poor design and I can forget about making it work. Its a shame I put so much time into that plane, but it’s going to leave in the garbage bin.

Seeing you struggle with the cherry was a lot more familiar to my usual planing experience than those wispy thin and smooth shavings you usually get.

You can hear the difference by just the sounds that the plane makes. It was so satisfying when you used your wood river plane. You were using wall art to plane wood in that video. Great information and teaching moment. Thanks as always.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@GARDENER42

2 жыл бұрын

Good plane sound: ksssh. Bad plane sound squeee.

Another great video, Thank You.

Great review again. The Handyman is the same as with the Amazon Basics one - to fix either of them properly, you have to spend more on tools that a better plane costs. Not to mention the time and effort that should be used using the plane!

Thanks for doing these videos, I’ve seen way too many negative comments on the price of well made products, you typically get what you pay for, and when you continue to refine something the costs start becoming exponential. Better tools make the job easier and are a joy to work with.

"A polished turd is still a turd". Heard before, many times, but somehow I never thought from the lips of Mr Cosman. I have had to pause at 8:48 because it made me laugh so much.

Wow what a difference when you used your own plane from the rack , incredible !

With the exception of my Veritas Apron Plane (which I love), all of my planes are vintage Stanley and Record planes. Some are from the late 19th century. All were carefully restored, and are as functional today as the day they were made.

I have an old Handyman that my dad passed along to me many years ago. I did restore it last year, but found it to be exactly as you did, Rob: it’s just not good enough to bother with. But I decided to grind a radius on the iron and turned it into a scrub plane, and it works very well in that role.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

It makes a good scrub plane

I've had the same experience with the Handyman line of Stanley. My used plane was not as bad in the surface to surface contact but the cutting results duplicated your results, maybe a little better as I spent more time that I should have to stabilize things. It seems to be more apparent with the #3 size. I have an old Parplus plane that does surprisingly well. It has a fixed frog, meaning that it is part of the sole casting and in my case it is true to the plane. I did purchase a 5-1/2 Woodriver and yes, like going from a Model T to a Lexus and for that I thank you.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

Great comment, thanks

I never realized how bad those Handyman planes were. I think adding a vintage Bailey of the same size to the review would have been helpful to show people the difference between that and the Handyman line. I've bought a number of old #4 and #5 Baileys at yard sales and flea markets for less than $30 and online auctions for under $75 that are much better performers than that Handyman.

Always thought is way me..nice to know big part was the plane...thanks

oh crap. I bought a Bailey #4 (dated 1902) to restore, which is higher quality than the handyman, but still. I also bought a Stanley 220 block plane to restore. I also bought a Millers Falls 14C to restore, although this one is in significantly better condition than the others. I plan on using all these planes, so I hope I didn't waste my money being nostalgic. Already spent the last year restoring an old Walker - Turner table saw. Thanks for the insight, Rob!

Thanks for sharing those tips!

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and commenting

I'm really enjoying these comparison videos. Have you ever done a video reviewing the planes from busybee? I purchased one of those as my first plane, and I don't know if it's just my inexperience, but I am not a big fan of it.

Seeing those planes in action , makes me appreciate the newer stanley planes with the plastic handels , after some tuning thay work just fine 🤔 .

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and commenting

@athmostafa2462

2 жыл бұрын

@@RobCosmanWoodworking In contrary , thank u mr rob , I always loved & appreciate your videos 👌 .

I just learned a lot about planes. Thanks.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

That's what the video is all about. Thanks for watching and commenting

Bought a cheap footprint handplane from home hardware 2 years ago when I was getting started thinking I can tune it. After 6 months of use I checked it and it needed tuning again so I bought my self a Veritas for my birthday. All my troubles went away.

Rob.....wondering if you have evaluated the Bridge City Tool Works planes? They are elegant, but pricey. I am more interested in performance and durability than looks.

Great analysis thanks

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching

hello, this Stanley is piped to me, she has parts from several planers. all the best for your tips

My planes do exactly the same thing,… I always thought it was me!,…thanks Rob

"Absolutely not! When we shut the camera that is going to the garbage!" - A very honest and completely accurate description of the Amazon company and their products.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

At least for the plane

@millerma27

2 жыл бұрын

@@RobCosmanWoodworking I notice that your sharpening mat is AmazonBasics, would you care to share the link or description of that product? Would love to get the proper size and fit mat but I have ordered one of the AmazonBasics silicon dog dish mats and it seems too large. Thank you for all the knowledge you provide!

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

@@millerma27 I bought it so long ago that I don’t even remember what size it was. All I know is that it was a 2-pack.

For many years I have used Record/Stanley planes, Record preferred. I have a collection of some high end planes. As a result of Robs influence I have purchased some new planes. It makes a world of difference, the better quality plan with the wax on the sole the effort is reduced. The experience is overwhelming. At the price of good timber! Close your eyes dig into the bottom of you pocket once, then open your eyes to see a new sun rise.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

You are bang on

Rob, maybe a video on what it would take to get them both into a good a working order as possible. Although I’m trying to do better work and your videos help tremendously, I just can’t drop $250 on the wood River unit. But I can afford $50 or so for a used Stanley in decent shape.

great video thanks for sharing

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and commenting

It reminds me of how many years I thought my instinctive archery technique was my issue, when it turns out I wasn't matching my equipment properly...thanks Easton (Stanley).

Great video as always! Really appreciate the "sound" of the junk one's compared to the good plane in your video.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

Its very telling isn’t it ?

@jameslenhart9565

2 жыл бұрын

@@RobCosmanWoodworking as I was watching, I was hoping you would compare and you did. Thank you!

Hello Rob, can I ask you about the adjusting wheel on the 5 1/2 you pulled out at the end, it looks incredibly useful.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

Its called an adjuSTAR, we sell it on our retail site

@athmostafa2462

2 жыл бұрын

I thought that wrong too , thanks mr rob 👍 .

The Handyman was probably fine for its intended use, a homeowner tool to shave a sticking door or window down. I think everyone's dad had one in the garage or basement. Not a tool for making a good, smooth surface but rather a tool for making a piece of wood smaller.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

I agree. Problem is newbies want to spend less don’t realize that. Thats why I made the video

@anthonymiller8979

2 жыл бұрын

@@RobCosmanWoodworking I can see bargain hunters being very disappointed in one of these. In the end it really pays to buy the best you can afford even if it is just one plane rather than a whole array of budget tools, none of which will perform and only discourage one from progressing. Really enjoy your content and all that you put into this. Thank you

@robertunderdunkterwilliger2290

2 жыл бұрын

@@RobCosmanWoodworking I just bought one, and did not realize what it was. But it can be a decent scrub plane! Worst problem is that the lever wont move the blade much. It needs to be replaced. But I agree it's not intended for fine wood work. kzread.info/dash/bejne/pqpnzqZ9fqyTnLQ.html Mine is painted grey, and the surface where the blade sits is actually planed smooth.

I’m one of those who didn’t think I’d find a use for a plane but was curious enough to buy an ultra cheap one to play with. It was the Harbor Freight “Windsor” design for $13. I thoroughly sharpened it and soon found out how useful it was. So I “upgraded” and got a Stanley Sweetheart #4. Again, I’m finding how incredibly useful a hand plane can be for a variety of things in my part-time hobbyist shop. So now my Wood River 5-1/2 has been ordered, although on backorder until who knows when. I am now a true believer 😁

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

Woodcraft tells us to expect the 5-1/2s in July so it might not be much more of a wait

@stainlesssteellemming3885

2 жыл бұрын

@@RobCosmanWoodworking Hopefully things are finally sorting themselves out. I waited over six months for some back-saws that were ordered for Christmas. The "expected on" dates just kept passing by and being updated. More recently, I got some sharpening gear and only had it slip the date once - took a month to come through instead of the 2 days. Oddly though, silicon resin molds seem to be like hen's teeth - they're slipping so much I'm thinking of ordering them now to hopefully have them as a gift for someone at Christmas. It's not just Woodcraft though ... every manufacturer has been having problems.

@sevenoaksbrewing

2 жыл бұрын

@@RobCosmanWoodworking Just got an update on my order from Woodcraft today. Now it's backordered until December 10th! I suppose I'll need to move to Canada to get one.

Has the choice of an Handyman and Bailey. I took the bailey because i heard it is a better „class“ of planes. Knowing the issues with the handyman im happy to took the bailey as an beginner :)

There are plenty of pre-WWII planes on E-bay to purchase. I have a #5 and #7 that I fixed up. They work great with a new and thicker blade. What Rob has shown you is that no matter the era it makes sense to spend a little extra to get the quality. I've fallen into the trap of purchasing cheap only to realize I wasted my money.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

Well said

I just had my Handyman apart, and I must have learned something from you, because I found myself remarking, “I bet that would work better if where the frog meets the sole were milled,” and, “I bet that would work better if the frog were milled on the blade bed,” and, “the only two blade settings seem to be too much or not enough.”

Love your videos! One question, what do you think about the Keen Kutter handplanes? Are they any good? Have you ever had experience with them? A new and used woodworking store in my town has a lot of them, must of been someone’s collection, and they’re in really good condition! Thanks

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

first comment 2 gold stars....but how did you like this video?

@ryandavis206

2 жыл бұрын

I like how you are willing to do videos for people on a budget and actually broke it down into detail, and rehabbed them to show what someone can get out of them!

@vane5736

2 жыл бұрын

@@ryandavis206 I have old keen cutter pliers that are pretty good so I would imagine the planes are of decent quality. If they are cheap you want to pick them up

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

Well old Keen Kutters are very similar to old Stanley's but the secondary market price should be a little cheaper than a Stanley or Record. They will need tuning up and I always recommend replacing the iron with a modern thick blade. By the time you do all that you are 75% of the way to buying a new plane.

I love these videos. Lets see you harpoon a Harbor Freight Plane next

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

We do have another one coming soon but its not harbor freight

After wstching this video i hsve a comment and a question. First the comment. I always find your videos to be very honest and helpful. I have improved my woodworking by applying your techniques . Thank you. Next the question. I am a retired architect and try to take my woodworking hobby the next level and improve my tools as i go. What plane manufacturer would you suggest i look at for a "good" quality plane. Keep in mind i do have a retiree's budget. I have an old Stanley Bailey No.5 from an estate sale that i am trying to put back in working order but still not getting the results i want. Thank you again for your dedication to to craft and as a veteran i appreciate your Wounded Warriors support.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

WoodRiver is the value brand I recommend. Save money by only getting the planes tou need. A 5-1/2 will do 85% of your planing tasks. Then a block with those two you can do almost everything

Wish i saw this sooner. I recently spent a few hours flattening the bottom of my number 5 handyman. Then it still wouldnt cut well so I re did the bevel on the blade becausd it wouldnt dig in. I think it was almost 45 degrees before. I can get a light shaving, but never a full pass length. Also the lateral adjuster only pushes the blade in one direction. It never cut on end grain, no matter of light of a shaving or sharp the blade. The skipping you had on cherry looks like what i get all the time. Like you said, i thought it was just my technique. Im much more seriously considering getting a high quality plane now.

I have a Stanley plane with the 2 piece yoke...endlessly frustrating because to get the plane to take a decent shaving the lever cap has to be very tight and when I try to advance the blade the 2 piece yoke splays over the adjuster wheel...no such issues with my Wood River.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

Yes such a bad design. Thx for the comment

I really celebrate your opinion. I'm from Germany and unfortunately I am not able to get stuff from your shop. Fortunately we have some good woodworking shops (I will not post any names) and I can really sign your conclusion: simply get get best tools you can afford. I am actually a great fan of JUUMA planes. As written on the homepage of that shop: 'Juuma closes the big gap between cheap tools and highend hardware' - which I can really confirm. If you can get them in your area I'd like to know your thoughts about those. I really like them... (And the cheap ones I tried first are on their their last trip - for recycling)

I inherited some old tools from and uncle and the Stanly Handyman is one. Due to my stubbornness, I keep trying to make this piece of crap work and sadly it doesn't bring any joy. Thanks a bunch for validating my frustrations Rob!

Hi Rob, you've covered cheap (in both senses of the word) planes in this video, and in previous videos you've covered premium planes like the WoodRiver. What about the middle ground? What would you recommend for someone who is primarily a power tool hobby woodworker, who wants a good plane, but can't justify the price of a premium plane (the Wood River 5½ is over $600 shipped in Australia, and the Lie-Nielsen 5½ even more). Maybe a video comparing a couple of options that fall into the middle ground.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

What do you have access to over there?

@markdancer3501

2 жыл бұрын

@@RobCosmanWoodworking What I've been able to find within Australia are (from least to most expensive): • Groz (#5) • Irwin Record (#5) • Stanley Professional (#5) • Luban (#5½) • HNT Gordon (~#4½) (wooden bodied, tool steel blade) • Stanley Professional (#6) • HNT Gordon (~#4½) (wooden bodied, HSS blade) Veritas and Clifton are in the same premium price range as Wood River and Lie-Nielsen. The Luban seems to be the only mid-range #5½ plane being sold in Australia, so I guess that pretty much answers the question. The comparison you did between the #6 Luban and Wood River a few weeks ago would suggest that the Luban is a good plane, and Down Under it has a significant price advantage over the Wood River (it's about half the price). Problem solved. Thanks for the assistance.

Hiya rob, just starting out with a plane can you recommend me a good one that should last me Cheers Pete

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

Woodriver 5-1/2

What are a couple newer brands that you would recommend for bench planes, ie #4 and up?

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

Woodriver, Lie nielsen

@cbryantbear6498

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you!

The Woodriver planne looks fun to work with. The other two are looking like a nightmare.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

A very good summary !

I recently rehabbed a no. 4 Handyman that I picked up at a flea market for $8. The frog would never seat reliably at all. The slots on the screws for the tote, knob and chip breaker were all too shallow for a standard screwdriver and were partially chewed up from prior users trying to adjust it. After recutting the slots and filing down/flattening the mating surfaces on the frog and the base I was able to make it into a serviceable scrub plane. I would never try to do anything else with one. That plane has some bad juju.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

But making it into a scrub plane is a good option. I should have said that in the video

Question: Does hand planing wood against the grain dull a blade faster than going with the grain

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

Not in my experience

why is there no shipping to the US for the planes on your website?

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

An agreement with woodcraft.

I got a handyman 4 size I made a scrub plane and it works great.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

Yes thats a great use for this plane, i should have said that in the video

thanks

when a veritas / stanley / lie-nielsen comparison? Being a canadian firm it would be interesting to hear your opinion

The first thing I do when I restore a Handyman plane, or any other with a painted frog seat is to use a sharp (but cheap) chisel and scraper to scrape off the paint. If needed afterward, the seat can be greatly improved after just a few minutes (or less) with a file. The real difference between the Handyman and the Basics is the materials they're made of. While the Stanley has the bones to make a decent, though very basic user. The Amazon one with its pot metal parts really doesn't.

This looks intresting.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

I hope so...we try to make every video interesting

Would Woodriver planes be a good place to start if I'm looking for a nice balance between cost and quality? Or should I "Buy once, cry once" with a better brand?

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

WoodRiver is a good brand, to both start and finish with.

Ive seen on ebay there is a tool brand from India called anant that looks interesting. Apparently its only available in the UK but it would be interesting to see how good they are.

@athmostafa2462

2 жыл бұрын

Yep , anant used a lot among carpenters in my country ( egypt ) and fair price planes too 🤔 .

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

I am very skeptical about it, but we need to do a test

I know this might be expensive for you to do in a meaningful way, but if it's ever possible it would be great to see you compare the Wood River planes to the Clifton planes that Woodcraft also carries.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

Not a bad idea, Jeff.

I've tried to bring back 5 or 6 planes like these....they all sit on a shelf. Woodriver is the best bang for the buck, I have a few lie nielsen tools, they are tremendous, some IBC products, tremendous. Buy Once, and never think twice. Good tools can be and will be passed on, cheap is hard to give away at times.

You definitely have an ASMR quality going in these type of videos.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

ASMR ???? I hope that's good

@SoundsToBlowYourMind

2 жыл бұрын

@@RobCosmanWoodworking ASMR = Autonomous Sensory Meridian Response. It's basically a relaxing tingling feeling that some people experience (mainly in the top of the head) when listening to certain sounds, such as a pleasant voice. The artist Bob Ross is a good example. There are millions of ASMR videos on youtube now which try to induce that tingly feeling (people speaking softly or whispering / tapping on things, etc!) You will probably find the videos really weird, however, if you don't experience ASMR! David Charlesworth has the perfect voice for ASMR in my opinion!

there are plenty of old good planes out there! before i treated myself to veritas planes, i used a National #7(st thomas, ontario), a millers falls smoother and a stanley 9 1/2 block. all were flea market finds up here in ontario and work very well. we will be in NB in august, we'll drop in and say hi!

@areuaware6842

2 жыл бұрын

Some of the finest furniture in history was made using wooden bodied planes. There seems to be a cultish hype about planes that I don't get. I am just as likely to grab one of my old Stanley's as I am to pick up a Lie Nielsen, if the blade is sharp and adjusted I'm good to go. Even my old wooden bodied planes, same thing. I've got wooden bodied planes made by my great great grandfather that are still good to go.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

come on by we will be here waiting for you

@areuaware6842

2 жыл бұрын

@@RobCosmanWoodworking , I've been doing this since before you were born. I'm waiting for you to grow up.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

@@areuaware6842 calm yourself, pal, I was talking to Stevem268.

@gav2759

2 жыл бұрын

@@areuaware6842 I served my apprenticeship as a shipwright and wooden jacks and hand planes were what we used because they did the best job, at fairing planks and hulls. Steel planes were used for joinery work. It's like comparing apples and pears.

Thank you i just learn a Boat load .................................. Your very good at teaching Your Black @ White.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching and commenting

You got chatter because you did flatten the soul. I watch a guy turn that same plane into something that cuts as good as a Lee Nelson. Now it was a lot of work, but it could be done. The reason someone like me buys something like that is because we can't afford better, but also need to learn. But also diy'ers know that we can make them work. That is why we watch videos on things that we already own, to learn more about them. And I have learned a lot of what to do to make it better. I would rather fix it then pay that kind of money.

Wow, what a difference to the Wood River.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

You get what you pay for

I will say, the Handyman does have *one* piece of solid utility - it makes for a monster scrub plane. It's light. It's cheap. You can abuse it and not feel bad. The crappy lever-cap doesn't matter if you're just hogging off wood, nor does the chip-breaker. The mouth is already gaping and only needs a slight adjustment with a mill file to get it to size. The soul doesn't even have to be super flat. None of the vibrations or other garbage matter one whit if you're using it for a scrub. Radius the blade, open up the mouth, and stick it on the shelf and it'll last you a good long while.

I know you’ve designed and sell a really nice plane. That said, Have you done a video on a “budget conscious” plane that’s worth buying?

Proves a point Rob you get what you pay for 🤷‍♂️

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

I agree 100%

yeah I've got a cheaper old Stanley and it does the same exact thing, at first I thought it was me and no matter what I did the Stanley wouldn't work on anything harder than poplar and it was very discouraging, but after years of honing my skills and using lie nielsen planes i finally realized the only thing a cheap plane is good for is occasional light work in pine. ITS Better to save and buy a premium plane First so you know what a plane SHOULD feel like, then the only thing left to blame is yourself:)

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

Well said!

The Handyman and Defiance ranges are a mixed bag ... you want to pick up a box full at a garage sale for 30 bucks and use them to make one or two good ones. But they're not all &^$% either. The first plane I ever bought (instead of borrowed) was a Handyman back in the 70's and I still have it and it's plain cardboard box (cost me, I think, about $20 new). Plastic tote, knob, and adjuster. Lever cap "Handyman" printed on an adhesive label. No throat adjusting screw, etc. Should be a piece of junk. Yet I'm as likely to reach for it as my 100 year old Stanley Bailey #4 for medium removal (not smoothing and not fore-plane work). Wouldn't use it for smoothing, but it's great for that stage in dimensioning when you want more finesse than a scrub plane. My son found a Defiance #3 for about $25 last year, which he tuned up a little (sole, blade, chip-breaker and some rust removal only). Also low on features, but you can't beat it for smoothing small pieces of work or softwood like SPF trim. But generally, I agree that it's worth spending the extra for a decent starter.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment

The theme of this channel is High Standards, Precision and Attention to Detail.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

Yes it is

Hey Col. Shealy, looks like your out $27 bucks. Wish the border would open up, as I would like to visit NB and see your shop Professor Cos. Too darn old to take your class, would wear me out. Semper Fi boys

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

You are never too old. Our oldest student has been 88

Just looking at Rob’s hands you see the years of experience and craft. A woodworker’s green thumb

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

In other words very calloused hands!!!!!!

Are you interested in trying your hands on an antique wooden plane? Maybe that is the awnser we should all be looking for when on a budget. I personally use them a lot and I think they are great

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

Wooden planes come with their own set of problems. Mainly that wood moves and they need to be periodically tweaked. However you can make a decent old plane work just as you can with an old metal plane. Another problem is getting replacement blades for old planes

@LegoMan-cz4mn

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I partially agree with that, wooden plane bodies are worthless, buying a plane with a good iron is much more important. The wood work, if not damaged too badly by woodworm, can almost always be fixed

Unfortunately, in many countries line mine (hello from Peru), these Stanley handyman like version are commonplace. They sell it as Stanley global version. The highest "quality" we can find here somewhat easily are the Bailey version for around 75USD for a #4, but only corrugated. Not sure how the new Bailey compare to the older ones though. There is no Veritas, no Woodriver, no Lie Nielsen... not even Luban. People buy Bailey and tune it to make them work properly. This means, no luck for new comers to woodworking. The hand plane is less and less used unfortunately. Many modern woodworkers replace planes with grinders with sandpaper (no kidding)

I've bought everything from #3 to #7 planes on Ebay, all used & either early Stanley or Bailey. I look past the surface rust & cosmetic issues & the most I've ever spent is £35/$50US. Had one "froggy" frog on a Stanley #4 which took 20 minutes to clean up on diamond stones. Can't see the point in buying modern, or even 50yo "budget" planes.

@zacsuth

2 жыл бұрын

When’s the last time you bought one? Those prices have been creeping up quite a bit since I’ve tried to get into the hobby.

@lawrencedeleurere4427

2 жыл бұрын

@@zacsuth You're right Zac. Prices sky rocketed during the pandemic. I notice they are starting to cool off though. I'm with Gargler. I have every Bailey Type 11 except a 1 and a smooth 8 all bought within the last 5 years. I spent a bit on the 2c and 120 on the 2. The 8c was 85. The 7s were in the 70s. The 4 1/2 was 40 and the 4 1/2 c was 60. The 5 1/2c was 50 and the 5 1/2 was 65. The 3s, 4s, 5s and 6s were all under 50 bucks. The 3s and 4s were in the 20s and the 4c was actually 18 bucks. The 5s were in the 30s. The 6s were 40 ish. You can't sniff those prices post-pandemic.

@zacsuth

2 жыл бұрын

@@lawrencedeleurere4427 true! Hopefully the tools start dropping again like lumber has begun to. I want to get involved, but man, this has not been the year.

What is the brand and model of the good plane ~22:50?

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

Woodriver 5 1/2 jack

@chriss9340

2 жыл бұрын

@@RobCosmanWoodworking Thanks for that. I have been going back-and-forth on buying a jack plane and seeing yours in action I think I may go check that out. My first plane was a smoothing plane from rockler because I didn’t know what I was doing and I was doing more research it seems like I should’ve bought a low angle 62 or something like that

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

I DO NOT recommend a Low Angle Jack. In my opinion, it is the last plane someone should be buying.

While I don’t dispute anything in this video at all, the fairer thing to do would surely to have used a Wood River #3 or #4 for comparison.

One thing I wish I knew from the get go was to buy quality from the beginning. You won’t really save any money cause you’re guaranteed to buy twice.

I've been buying and selling old tools ever since I was 16 years old when I started driving. I never liked the Stanley Handyman planes I'm assuming because I never saw them sell. I didn't have a reason to not like them because I never actually picked one up.... But now I know why! Terrible planes for sure!

Smashing

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching

I purchased a budget plane from home depot. It was an absolute pos out of the box. I may add that I knew absolutely NOTHING about hand planes. It was practically falling apart. The only redeeming quality was that all the mating surfaces for the frog were acceptable. I was going to return it but decided it was going to be a good learning experience on how to work/maintain and repair these tools considering I was and am really adamant about learing to work with hand tools I tore the whole thing down, cleaned up the body and even sharpened the blade with nothing but 180 grit sandpaper and some aeresol silicone lubricant. Let me tell you.. out of the box, this thing was a paper weight.. the bevel in the iron was cupped.. not cambered but cupped.. it also looked like it had been smacked with a screwdriver. The cap iron was only making contact in a total of 10mm worth of span across the iron. The depth adjuster wouldn't set the blade correctly because the screw that attaches the cap iron to the cutting iron was hitting the yolk that comes up through the frog and the area in the top of the frog where that very same screw is supposed to sit wasn't cast properly. After a couple hours, lots of sweat, swearing and watching paul sellers, james wright and others videos, I was able to shave hairs off of my leg and get shavings so thin and consistent that I could literally read through them when I laid them over something with text. I turned a pos into a working tool and I'm proud of it. The only weird thing I have noticed is that I need my cap iron further back from the bevel. Not a 32nd but more like between 1/16th-1/8th or else I will jump, skip and leave horrible marring on the piece like the Stanley did on the cherry. I recently acquired some free hardwood that was all covered in old finish including some ebony that I originally thought was walnut with a tinted shelac and the plane did just fine getting past the finish and taking a couple light surface layers to expose the beautiful raw grains.

Rats! I wish I had watched this _two weeks ago_ ... I am really surprised that Stanley could not turn all of its knowhow and resources into an economical plane that works well. I just picked up a couple of *Handyman* #4 size planes. One of them will actually plane softwood, and I may keep it if I can set it up for rough work/household tasks. The second plane, which closely resembles the one you looked at, cannot be made to plane: the blade cannot be adjusted far enough downward to project through the opening in the sole. WTF. Oddly, this plane came with a steel spacer that sits below the frog and elevates it even further so that the blade is even further from the opening. Double WTF. I have made it my mission to remove the paint and excess metal on the frog and its base. I hope to get it working so that the plane will function. I put a _vintage_ blade/chip breaker on the plane that actually works, and the plane worked better than with its own iron/breaker. So... the blade/chip breaker is probably the main weakness, but the haphazard design of the newer planes also seems to contribute to the inferior performance.

I want a wood river…. Quality Quality Quality… see you in August.. Will you be having any classes?

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

We really hope so. we have our fingers crossed that the border will open up to hold the SEP and OCT classes and if so we will try and add two more classes too

@lawrencedeleurere4427

2 жыл бұрын

Woodrivers aren't quality, it's just they aren't junk. There's a difference. They would probably be classed as semi-premium. They have a history of quality control issues as pretty much everything made in China does. Blades seem to be hit and miss. If you get a good one, they are a deal. If you get a bad one, then it's still way better than the junk up above, but they can chatter and the blades are known to slip. At the same time, if you really want quality, you'll be paying a lot more than the 200 that Woodriver wants.

but not all handyman's are created equal I've actually bought 2 early model woodriver that were junk too but i do have to admit after you showed them what was wrong with the woodriver planes it turned out to be a pretty dog on good plane

I have older #3 Handyman that seats decently. It is comparable to an even older #3 Baily. However, the Baily is easier to adjust. I think you got a much newer Handyman. A new user wouldn't be able to tell the difference or fix it.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

Tanks for watching and commenting

Actually, I've had really good results with that Amazon Basics plane.......for removing skin tags.............

Honestly you could remove the adjustment leaver and just use a light hammer for setting ist up.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

You could but why????

Mr Miller, my shop teacher, would have smacked his hands for setting the plane flat on the workbench. :)

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

not today he wouldnt!

I bought a Tay-tools #4 smoother a few months ago. It came with a bowed blade. The plane was flat and square and it felt good in the hand. The blade however turned what could have been a great plane into a piece of garbage. I ordered two more blades but as of this video they are out of stock.

@RobCosmanWoodworking

2 жыл бұрын

The best thing you can do is order a modern thick blade not another thin cheap blade.